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Kudos and insertion arias[edit]

Hello, I checked to see who had done such a nice job improving "Schleifer" and it was you. This led me to spot your notes on insertion arias, which suggest a really interesting article once you are done. A possible nugget you might enjoy for this purpose is the history of Luigia Polzelli, the mediocre soprano who was the cause of Haydn's composing several insertion arias. Happy editing, Opus33 (talk) 17:47, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks! I'm not done with Schleifer yes, and I've only begun "Interpolated/insertion" (name to be decided), not to mention I'm still working on Ziegfeld Follies of 1919, and, and.... :) -- kosboot (talk) 19:03, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

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Help with source?[edit]

Hi Kosboot! I'm trying to help someone over at WP:ASTRONOMY. They're looking for an obituary of Priscilla Fairfield Bok which was published in: Sky & Telescope, vol. 51, p. 25 (1976). I've tried the databases I can access from home, but without luck. :-( Is that accessible through the digital database on-site in your library system? The record for the online database isn't clear about how many years it goes back. If all else fails, I'll stop at the library and copy it from microfiche. Thanks in advance for any help! Cheers, AstroCog (talk) 02:52, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I should be able to get it at work tomorrow - will let you know! -- kosboot (talk) 03:54, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Oh well - the material online is only from 1993 on, so I guess one would need to go to the originals or microfilm. -- kosboot (talk) 14:15, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for looking anyway! Cheers, AstroCog (talk) 15:00, 7 February 2012 (UTC)


Good luck, and have fun! -- Ssilvers (talk) 15:41, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! -- kosboot (talk) 15:43, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Leading-tone Triad[edit]

I was asked not to at User_talk:Devin.chaloux#Leading-tone_Triad. Hyacinth (talk) 00:08, 19 March 2012 (UTC)

Read that section again; my suggestion of reverting was endorsed. -- kosboot (talk) 00:42, 19 March 2012 (UTC)
Please do not comment on other users language skills. Comment on the content, not the contributor. Hyacinth (talk) 01:24, 21 March 2012 (UTC)
When others ignore what is said, it's valid to question their language skills. -- 02:21, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

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Wikipedia Loves Libraries at Wikimania[edit]

Hi I noticed that you signed up for attendance at the WLL event at Wikimania. It'd be great if you could fill out this doodle to help use schedule when exactly the event will be. Maximiliankleinoclc (talk) 16:59, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

Hi - not only did I sign up already - I'm supposed to give one of the talks at the GLAM session. Gotta figure out what to say. -- kosboot (talk) 18:37, 4 June 2012 (UTC)

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DYK for Minetta Creek[edit]

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Yeah, it's a pity - the post came up too late to get funding sorted, and I'd already decided I coudln't afford to go this year on my own account. On the plus side, I'm getting a lot done this week ;-)

Please do spread the word about the project to anyone you meet who might be interested - it's settling down a bit now, but it would be good to get more feedback before it closes. Andrew Gray (talk) 12:34, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Drexel Collection[edit]

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Seeking Diagram Sketch from Wikimania 2012 Grand Ballroom[edit]

Great meeting you in person at Wikimania. At the NYC table, there was a diagram on the tablecloth. Can you help me understand what it described? Thanks. (talk) 10:27, 27 July 2012 (UTC) Please reply via:

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Citation Source[edit]

Talkback at outreach:User talk:Maximilianklein#Use of Wikipedia in Academia

Your DYK nomination for Drexel 4257[edit]

Congratulations on an impressive article. You have nominated a hook for DYK, and I have raised some minor issues. Your citing is also very good, but I notice there are a number of duplicated references. There are ways of avoiding this. Some editors use <ref name=xxx>citation</ref> on the first occasion, and <ref name=xxx/> thereafter. More recently I have used Template:Sfn, which takes a bit of learning, but it is elegant, and it automatically combines any duplicate references. If you would like to see a simple example of how this works, have a look at F. X. Velarde. Good luck.--Peter I. Vardy (talk) 14:18, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

Many thanks. This Sfn templates is exactly what I've been looking for (and I've been too lazy to use the other "rp" technique). I'll try to learn it and fix what's in the article (also standardizing my inconsistent use of British/English. -- kosboot (talk) 14:24, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the note about this - it's a very impressive article, and my congratulations on it! I think the BL copy is probably Add MS 32339 - "SONGS set to music by John Gamble; the words attributed to Thomas Stanley. Paper; ff. 57. Late XVIIIth cent. The name, of Elizabeth St. John is scribbled on the fly-leaf. Belonged to Bishop Percy." This doesn't mention Rimbault, but two others (Add MS 24889 and 53723) are definitely from his collection.
I'm not sure if 32339 is likely to be suitable for an article - it's a lot shorter and there doesn't seem to have been much scholarly work on it - but as a companion volume, perhaps it'd be appropriate for a section on the main work? By strange coincidence, I have two images of Add MS 32339 on my desktop at the moment - I spent this afternoon preparing an upload of various music MS images, which should be up in the next couple of days! Andrew Gray (talk) 22:10, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks a bunch! I think of it as "Wikipedia uniting collections that once belonged together." So any additions/emendations you care to make are welcome. I'll check my sources to see if they specifically mention which BL manuscript(s) are the allied ones. Thanks! -- kosboot (talk) 22:18, 10 August 2012 (UTC)
Lo and behold - commons:Category:John Gamble. The RISM catalogue entry for this MS (which is more detailed than the BL one) is here. This is a very long way from being my field, but hopefully there's enough there to confirm if this is the MS in question or not. :-) Andrew Gray (talk) 23:48, 10 August 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Drexel 4257[edit]

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Oh, Boy! (musical)[edit]

Hi! I think this text file at the NYPL should have a copyright notice at the top. You'll see that the creators licensed the library to display it and make it available for research but retained all other rights. -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:55, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

I'll ask about it - thanks! -- kosboot (talk) 02:01, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

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The Real Life Barnstar[edit]

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DYK for David Chan (violinist)[edit]

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Teahouse invite for IP editor[edit]

Sent! Thanks for pinging me, Kosboot. HostBot actually only sends invites to newly registered editors who meet certain criteria, but I posted a standard Teahouse invite on the IP's talkpage. You should also feel free to use these invites anytime you find someone who could use a little direction. Cheers! - J-Mo Talk to Me Email Me 20:35, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

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Tour of Consumer Reports' laboratories[edit]

Wow! Laboratory tour!

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DYK for Drexel 4041[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 09:47, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

The King and I is at FAC[edit]

Hi, Kosboot. I hope you're doing well! The King and I has been nominated for FAC. It would be great if you could take a look at the article and give comments at the FAC. Thanks for any time you could spare! -- Ssilvers (talk) 00:21, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Discussion on the AFT5 Request for Comment[edit]

Hey Kosboot - this is to notify you that there is a discussion starting on the Article Feedback RfC talkpage that has ramifications for the RfC itself. Your input is much appreciated :). Thanks! and apologies if I've missed anyone Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 16:43, 28 January 2013 (UTC)

GA review of Minetta Creek[edit]

Hi. I notice that there has been no activity on Minetta Creek since 10 February, and wondered if you were still interested in getting it to GA. Regards. Bob1960evens (talk) 18:55, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I am - just haven't had the time and was sick all last week, and I have an important deadline on Monday. But I plan to start resuming work on it by Tuesday March 5 - is that ok? -- kosboot (talk) 19:27, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Yes that's fine. I'll keep it on hold. Bob1960evens (talk) 21:55, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your patience! :) -- kosboot (talk) 22:27, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Hi. I have failed the GA review, as it has been on hold for two months and the suggested time limit is seven days. As mentioned at the bottom of the review, if you can get the issues sorted, then renominate it, and if you want me to conduct the second review, drop me a note and I will be happy to do so. Regards. Bob1960evens (talk) 23:03, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

Discussion at WikiProject Opera[edit]

I'm writing to members of WikiProject Opera who have been active on the talk page over the last year. We currently have a proposal to add infoboxes about individual operas to their articles. As this would involve a fairly major change from our current practice, and lead to a potentially lengthy transition, it would be helpful to hear the views from as many project members as possible. The discussion is at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera#Opera infoboxes. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 09:04, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia Meetup NYC this Sunday April 14[edit]

Hi Kosboot! You're invited to our next meeting for Wikipedia Meetup NYC on Sunday April 14 -this weekend- at Symposium Greek Restaurant @ 544 W 113th St (in the back room), on the Upper West Side in the Columbia University area.

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Hi! Yes, I'm excited to work on this. I replied on my talk. best, -- phoebe / (talk to me) 21:59, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

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South Pacific (musical)[edit]

Please comment on our PR for this important musical at the PR page, here. We are on the way to FAC -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:34, 28 May 2013 (UTC)


Replied on my talk. I'm working on cleaning up the outreach pages... am thinking that can be the multilingual/global portal/collection of past resources. -- phoebe / (talk to me) 04:12, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Opera Project stuff[edit]

Hi Kosboot, I'm writing to members who participated in the March 2013 discussions about the possibility of developing an opera infobox. We now have a reasonably stable and usable box with examples of how it would look in articles at Template:Infobox opera and a new discussion re its potential addition to the project's Article Guide as an option for opera articles. The discussion is at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Opera#Opera Infobox update. Best, Voceditenore (talk) 08:00, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for your comment there, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:27, 12 June 2013 (UTC)


Hi, Kosboot. I've sent you a couple of e-mails. Would you kindly respond one way or another? All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 21:44, 16 August 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia Takes Brooklyn! Saturday September 7[edit]

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Article Feedback Tool update[edit]

Hey Kosboot. I'm contacting you because you're involved in the Article Feedback Tool in some way, either as a previous newsletter recipient or as an active user of the system. As you might have heard, a user recently anonymously disabled the feedback tool on 2,000 pages. We were unable to track or prevent this due to the lack of logging feature in AFT5. We're deeply sorry for this, as we know that quite a few users found the software very useful, and were using it on their articles.

We've now re-released the software, with the addition of a logging feature and restrictions on the ability to disable. Obviously, we're not going to automatically re-enable it on each article—we don't want to create a situation where it was enabled by users who have now moved on, and feedback would sit there unattended—but if you're interested in enabling it for your articles, it's pretty simple to do. Just go to the article you want to enable it on, click the "request feedback" link in the toolbox in the sidebar, and AFT5 will be enabled for that article.

Again, we're very sorry about this issue; hopefully it'll be smooth sailing after this :). If you have any questions, just drop them at the talkpage. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) 22:01, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Inno delle nazioni[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 3 September 2013 (UTC)

Howard brothers[edit]

If you could get to it right away, we can get it on DYK. -- Ssilvers (talk) 03:06, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

There is a lot of disagreement among the sources about exactly what the brothers did up to about 1904. When you look into this, see if you can comb it out. Right now, in the article, I have chosen the facts given by what seem to me to be the most persuasive sources, but if you look deeper, you may be able to give the early years more certainty. For example, which amateur nights did they compete in? What professional performing, if any, did they do between 1897 and 1900? -- Ssilvers (talk) 14:44, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
Great job expanding the article. Is the clipping that you refer to from a newspaper or a magazine? Let's specify. Also, there are a few places where you added a cite to a newspaper article, without a page number. I've tagged those. Can you take another look and see if you can find a page number for them? If there is no page number available, just remove my "page needed" tag. Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:31, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks - they're all newspaper clippings. In many cases there were no page numbers apparent. I did the easy part. There were lots of articles that had discussed their kind of comedy and had selections from their comedy routines, but that's going to take longer. Eventually the part about Willie is going to be much longer since he had the longer and more prominent career. -- kosboot (talk) 15:49, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. Is there an online archive for the New York Herald Tribune that might help you find the page numbers, and also give urls? -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:05, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
Nope - the NY Times owns the Herald Tribune but I think they are deliberately withholding making that archive accessible online. I could go to check microfilm but that's a lot of time that I don't have. -- kosboot (talk) 16:09, 6 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. Yeah, unless this eventually goes to FAC, going into the microfilm would be beyond the call of duty!  :-) Happy editing! -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:12, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikimedia NYC Meetup! Saturday October 5[edit]

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You know who[edit]

Yes. We would need Dr. Emma Sculate (formerly of TIT, the Texas Institute of Theory, to solve the case, but I think she retired quite some time ago. -- Hucbald.SaintAmand (talk) 08:21, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Ways to improve Julia Gerity[edit]

Hi, I'm Sulfurboy. Kosboot, thanks for creating Julia Gerity!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. orphan tag. otherwise great article. thanks.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse. Sulfurboy (talk) 04:00, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

"Pluggers" vs. "demonstrators"[edit]

I believe these are different things, that song pluggers went around to publishers, while song demonstrators worked in department stores, singing songs to encourage people to buy the sheet music. If I'm incorrect, do you have a source saying so? Beyond My Ken (talk) 20:21, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

No I don't have a source specifically defining the difference, although I've never heard of people going around to different places in order to plug a song. -- kosboot (talk) 20:57, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
Alright, let me see if I can find anything. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:05, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

DYK for Julia Gerity[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 16:03, 14 November 2013 (UTC)


Hi, Kosboot. Please check your e-mail. -- Ssilvers (talk) 16:25, 24 November 2013 (UTC)

Wikimedia NYC Meetup- "Queens Open History Edit-a-Thon" at Queens Library! Friday December 6[edit]

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The Wikipedia Library Survey[edit]

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Precious again[edit]

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Thank you for quality articles on music, such as David Chan and New York Public Library for the Performing Arts, and for adding your professional knowledge to the discussions of the music projects, - you are an awesome Wikipedian!

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A year ago, you were the 344th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize. Thank you for precious help during the last year, looking forward to more music, some today! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:27, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Two years ago, you were the 344th recipient of my PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:54, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda!! kosboot (talk) 11:50, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Dorle Soria[edit]

Harrias talk 12:04, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Nice to see her, thank you! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:12, 27 December 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kat Walsh[edit]

I made a small request to you at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kat Walsh Smallbones(smalltalk) 20:12, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Saturday: NYC Art And Feminism Wikipedia Editathon[edit]

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WP Countering Systemic Bias in the Signpost[edit]

Comment below is reposted. Djembayz (talk) 22:58, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

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Incomplete lists[edit]

You mentioned List of compositions for piano duo, I met today String sextet repertoire, - I guess such lists have some value even knowing they will never be "complete". They might be more useful if sortable. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:54, 15 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi Gerda! Did you see the one reference? It was to IMSLP - meaning only scores that they have (silly reference). I don't see the value in such lists - users would be better told to go to a comprehensive library - and even there you can't be sure you have all the works of a particular medium. People spend months/years writing books attempting to include all the works of a medium. I think it's silly to do it on WP unless one really tries to make it "almost" complete. -- kosboot (talk) 00:00, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Upcoming Saturday events - March 1: Harlem History Editathon and March 8: NYU Law Editathon[edit]

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While I am well aware of their extermination functions, both Auschwitz and Majdanek were Konzentrationslager in title as well as also functioning in that capacity. Is there something in the context of that film that requires the term "death camp", for example does it focus only on victims being gassed?Hoops gza (talk) 21:24, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

I've seen the film many times and even did a shot-by-shot analysis and even have a copy of the musical score. What I'm saying that today, in 2014, Wikipedia is making a very clear distinction between Nazi concentration camps and Extermination camp. If you read the article on concentration camps, it's about political prisoners--that's not what the film is about. It mentions political prisoners, but all the 1955 footage is from Auschwitz and most of the b/w film footage is also from Auschwitz. -- kosboot (talk) 21:38, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

Berge a woman[edit]

Is it possible? The first name sounds feminine, with the "ee" at the end, and, looking for a source for the film music thing I found this, which says she was virtually the only woman in the profession of writing silent film music:

That might make interesting material to expand the article a teensy bit, but it's essential to figure out whether Berge was a man or a woman. Here's another source suggesting woman:

alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 16:22, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Yes, when I first started working on the person I assumed it was a woman. But that he was married and that many of the little notices I found specifically mentioned "him" I think it's unquestionably a man. -- kosboot (talk) 16:35, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
BTW, thanks for that Sanderson reference - I will incorporate that. -- kosboot (talk) 16:38, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
I see. I misread the Sanderson thing. The "she" there refers to Sanderson, not Berge. And Altman just has it wrong, clearly.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 16:55, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
OK, it'll be good to go as soon as you can add an inline citation for the film music thing.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 17:33, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
Argh - I'm editing right now and just lost a passage due to an edit conflict. -- kosboot (talk) 17:38, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Finally made it! Congratulations!— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 22:35, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

And thank you so much for your help & assistance! -- kosboot (talk) 22:47, 21 March 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Irénée Berge[edit]

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DYK for Irénée Berge[edit]

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Thinking about coming back[edit]

How's it going? I've been thinking about coming back over the summer, but I need to know how the environment is around the WP:MTH is. Do you know perchance? I'm mostly concerned about our "friend." Do you know how we can recreate the watchlist for the project too? It seems to be broken now, but I am not good with these things...Devin.chaloux (chat) 03:13, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

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DYK nomination of Drexel 4175[edit]

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kosboot, it's been over two weeks since Gamaliel pinged you, confirming that you do need to do a quid pro quo (QPQ) review for this nomination if you wish it to be promoted to the main page. You will need to do one soon, and keep us apprised of your progress on this nomination's template. Please let us hear from you. Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:27, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
I know I need to study up on what to do. I'll try to learn tonight. -- kosboot (talk) 00:54, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
@BlueMoonset:After going through the documentation I realized it's a bit too much for me to take on at this time. Can you point me to how I can withdraw the DYK nomination? -- kosboot (talk) 13:11, 20 May 2014 (UTC)
kosboot, I'm sorry to hear that. All you need to do is post that you're withdrawing on the nomination page itself; we'll take care of the rest. BlueMoonset (talk) 14:11, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Drexel 4175 not a GA[edit]

I removed the "GA" marking from Talk:Drexel 4175. We have a WikiProject that organizes the evaluation of nominated articles for good article status. Chris Troutman (talk) 14:43, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

The editor who reviewed the DYK suggested I submit it for GA status. -- kosboot (talk) 15:08, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Indeed, you should. The instructions are at WP:GAN/I. In order to nominate it, add {{subst:GAN|subtopic=music}} to that talk page. A GA reviewer will (in time) start the review and post any comments or recommended changes before acceptance. Please ask if you have any questions about the process. Alternatively, you can always ask a member of WikiProject Classical Music for an individual review for B-class before nomination to GA. Chris Troutman (talk) 15:21, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the instructions. -- kosboot (talk) 15:22, 1 May 2014 (UTC)


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eek - yes - sorry I've not responded. Problem is all my sundays are taken until June! -- kosboot (talk) 16:56, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
A weekday evening, perhaps? -- Ssilvers (talk) 19:22, 1 May 2014 (UTC)

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I think I accidentally deleted that category. Wholly unintentional! Sorry about that. OR drohowa (talk) 21:21, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

And the List of fictional...etc. Not a problem! -- kosboot (talk) 21:25, 14 May 2014 (UTC)
Also with the other List of fictional literature featuring opera! ughh I guess I reverted your edits. Not sure why I would do this. It's possible that my mouse or keyboard is out of whack and has been selecting things. I have noticed some weird page directs just now. Checking it out. I was merely looking at your recent edit history to check out NYPL Performing Arts articles bc Metro is making a little Wiki-book via Pedia Press of articles worked on by Metro members. I'll just send you an email instead. Thanks. OR drohowa (talk) 21:26, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Drexel 4175[edit]

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Greg Kohs and WikiConference USA[edit]

Dear Kosboot: Is this report accurate: WikiConference USA bans critic from open meeting? If it is accurate do you know if a response from the conference organizers is forthcoming? I won't spend time explaining exactly how upsetting this is and how very bad it looks on its face until the accuracy of the report is confirmed. It looks really bad, though, and I really hope there's a plausible explanation. Note that I'm not asking about the rejection of Kohs's presentation, but only about the allegation that he was barred from an event touted as "open to all participants, regardless of previous level of involvement with Wikipedia or the Wikimedia projects. We welcome the curious, the skeptical, and others wishing to engage in meaningful conversation about the Wikimedia movement in the United States, free culture and digital rights, advocacy and outreach, community building, and technology." I posted the same question on Newyorkbrad's talk page, but he declined to respond substantively. I am also leaving it on the talk pages of the other conference organizers.alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 14:45, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

e-flux Article[edit]

Hi Bob, I'm wondering if you can take a look at the article User:Morelcasares/e-flux draft 2. User:Morelcasares has asked me to review this article draft, which is written for the eventual article, e-flux. My concern, beyond the biasing language which can be changed is that the article is too long and that some sections like 'publications' are a little too specific and that the length is not proportional to the content. I'm going to be helping this user out today so let me know if you get around to looking at this. Thanks, OR drohowa (talk) 13:52, 18 June 2014 (UTC)

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Francis Tregian the Younger[edit]

Hello Kosboot, and congratulations for your edits on Francis Tregian the Younger (an article I started as a stub years ago). The new section you introduced ("How Tregian's name became associated with music") is a pleasure to read and wonderfully informative. Thank you very much. Nick Michael (talk) 08:11, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome! My intention is to create an article on Drexel 4302 but once I began to work on it, I realized it would be easier to put all that information in the Tregian article. -- kosboot (talk) 10:38, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

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Greetings from Brooklyn College theater history class[edit]

Hello Kosboot! My name is Haruki, MFA performing arts management student taking Professor Hughes' Theater History course at Brooklyn College. Thank you for helping us in our project, and I look forward to working with you! Decafespresso (talk) 22:45, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi there, Defacespresso! I look forward to helping and working with you! -- kosboot (talk) 06:52, 14 September 2014 (UTC)


Hi Kosboot,

I am a student in Professor Hughes's Theatre History to 1642 course. Thank you in advance for all the support and advice!

Jcbjaw12 (talk) 00:05, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi there Jcbjaw12! I look forward to working and helping you! -- kosboot (talk) 06:51, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Another Brooklyn College Theatre History to 1642 student[edit]

Hello Kosboot,

I am a first-year MA candidate for theater history and criticism. Many thanks for helping our class with the Wikipedia project. I appreciate your support!

Marni Mcraab123 (talk) 00:38, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi there, Mcraab123 - I look forward to helping and working with you! -- kosboot (talk) 06:53, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello from BC Student[edit]

Hello! My name is Lindsay and I am a MFA in Amy Hughes History of Theater class this semester. Thank you for helping to guide us through this new wiki world! --Lindsay M. Roberts 23:23, 14 September 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by MissJoyProductions (talkcontribs)

Hi there MissJoyProductions - I look forward to helping and working with you for the class. Generally on Wikipedia, people don't use their real names (unless they chose a username which is their real name). There's an easy way to sign your contributions to dialogues like this: use 4 tilde signs ~~~~. This will produce your signature with the date and time you left it, like this: kosboot (talk) 00:07, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Greetings from another Brooklyn College Student[edit]

Hello! I am Julia Sattler and I am in Professor Hughes Theater History Class. Thank you in advance for helping us out this semester. I have a question about the time stamp. Mine does not seem to be syncing up with the correct New York Eastern Time. Is that normal? Do you know how I can change that? Jsattler07 (talk) 15:22, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi there Jsattler07! (Generally people refer to others by their username, keeping their real name private if desired.) You can change the timestamp by going into your preferences (one of the selections on the top right of the screen after you've logged in). In Preferences, there should be eight tabs; the second one is "Appearance." Select that one, and the third "box" within that tab should be "Time Offset" where you can set your local time as "America/New York." Then click save at the bottom left of that tab page and you should be ok! -- kosboot (talk) 16:54, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Hello from Brooklyn College[edit]

Hi Kosboot. Thank you for helping us out this semester. I have tried my hand at editing an article and I am excited to be a part of this grand project. I have to say, I've been stumped on how to use the Talk Page for days!! Then I remembered to think simple, and remembered the video where the woman said that you always ignore the little EDIT button. Wouldn't you know... Anyway, I look forward to the next few months. Best, OrangeZabbo (talk) 17:48, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia, OrangeZabbo (it's amusing to think of what an orange zabbo would look like). Yes, your talk page--as well as others, such as mine--is how you communicate with other users. Every article has its own talk page--that's where people can discuss the article. In any case, I'm looking forward to working with you and helping out on Wikipedia--not just for the next few months, but hopefully beyond that. :). -- kosboot (talk) 18:45, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Hello again Kosboot. Amy and I were discussing a project I'd like to take on, and she suggested I run it by you. There is a Downtown Theater, Soho Rep., whose Wiki page is severely lacking. I would like to work on improving their page as their past productions and staff are integral to the Downtown Theater scene's evolution over the past 30 years. I can gain access to their archives for some of this information, much can be found at the Performing Arts Library documenting past productions, and of course the NY Times has been reviewing their work and writing articles about their staff for many years. Since 1975 their theater has changed location multiple times, been run by influential Artistic Directors who have moved on to have significant international careers, and most recently (under Sarah Benson) have been produced back-to-back-to-back critically acclaimed and award winning work, making them a pinnacle location for boundary pushing theater in New York City. What do you think? Is this a good idea? Do you think I will have enough legit sources? Thanks for your help. OrangeZabbo (talk) 14:49, 17 September 2014 (UTC)
Hi OrangeZabbo (apologies for not getting back to you sooner!) Actually I think the current article on Soho Rep is a good start (compared to many organizations that have just a few lines). With a 30-year career and extensive coverage in the press, my guess is that the challenge one of curation - going through all the available material to come up with a narrative of the history of the organization, its goals and perhaps any influence it has had (and other notable features of the organization). Note that even though you may have access Soho Rep's archives, Wikipedia requires that any source used must be published or widely available (see WP:SOURCE - especially the note about unpublished sources). Given the plentiful amount of information (almost too plentiful), you might want to limit the scope to just the history or other aspect of the organization that interests you. Let me know what you think. (Note that responses begin with a colon; each successive response adds another colon so that your response should begin with three colons). kosboot (talk) 00:57, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Manuel Klein[edit]

Hi, Kosboot. If you want to use American dates and spellings/idioms in the Manuel Klein article, I would support you, but you can't change just one date, you have to change all of them, plus implement American spellings/idioms throughout, plus change the templates at the top to US instead of Br. Let me know if you do this, and I'll check it for you. All the best! -- Ssilvers (talk) 04:11, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Notes to students in THEA 7212X Theater History to 1642 (Fall 2014)[edit]

Hi folks - I'll be offline until Sunday morning. If your questions can wait an answer until then, please feel free to post them to this page and I'll respond to you when I get back. kosboot (talk) 21:46, 24 September 2014 (UTC)

Citing Foreign Language Sources[edit]

Hi Kosboot! Are there any restrictions on citing sources not in English? Because I'm Japanese and I'm planning to edit an article on Noh, I'm thinking it'd be more effective to use Japanese source materials in addition to English. Decafespresso (talk) 16:03, 3 October 2014 (UTC)

There are no such restrictions—you can cite sources in any language, although you should probably transcribe it into typical characters. (And bravo for doing Noh which I studied a bit about years ago!) kosboot (talk) 18:29, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
Thank you so much! Could you elaborate on transcribing into typical characters that you mentioned? Do you mean citing titles and names phonetically using English alphabet rather than actual Japanese? Decafespresso (talk) 20:54, 3 October 2014 (UTC)
My knowledge Japanese is not very great, but I do know that there is a standard way of transcribing the characters. Alternatively, what you might want to do is indicate the Japanese name and then follow it with a transcription, like: 邦楽ジャ-ナル, Hōgaku jānaru, Monthly music magazine, hogaku journal, ( of citation). Does that help? kosboot (talk) 05:58, 5 October 2014 (UTC)
Ah, I see what you mean now. Thank you Kosboot! Decafespresso (talk) 17:06, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

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Data on RBMS edit-a-thon 2014[edit]

Hi Kosboot, my name is María, I am community liaison of Program Evaluation & Design team at WMF. I reach out to you to ask about the [:en:Wikipedia:RBMS edit-a-thon 2014|RBMS edit-a-thon 2014]]. I would like to know if you are thinking of including the data you gathered from that meet up on the second round of data collection. This voluntary program reporting helps us build an overview of Wikimedia program. Please reach out to me on my talk page or email me at mcruz [at] wikimedia [dot] org so I can tell you more. Thanks! MCruz (WMF) (talk) 21:20, 16 October 2014 (UTC)

Hello Bob, I'm with the Program Evaluation & Design team at WMF. I'm following up on Maria's note about program data for the RBMS Editathon. There are still a few bits of missing data we'd like to fill in before Nov 26th. I've posted them over on the event talk page, could you please respond with any data you have, or "Don't know" for the answers you do not have, within the next week? If you have any questions, please do contact me through my talk page or at abittaker at wikimedia dot org. Thanks so much, this really helps our program learning and capacity building for future editathons! --Abittaker (WMF) (talk) 01:40, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

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Happy Holidays from London[edit]

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May you have very Happy Holidays, Kosboot...

and a New Year filled with peace, joy, and beautiful music!

Best wishes, Voceditenore (talk) 18:19, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your good wishes Voceditenore which I send to you in return! kosboot (talk) 23:47, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

The GLAM Directory[edit]

Hi Kosboot, thanks for fixing the links to the US pages on the GLAM Directory but the redlinks were deliberate as the directory pages are based on a standardised template. The info about how they work is at the bottom of the page. Don't sweat the misunderstanding :) Cheers! PatHadley (talk) 20:20, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Got it - thanks for the clarification. kosboot (talk) 21:26, 20 January 2015 (UTC)

Yakov Kreizberg page[edit]

Hello kosboot: yes, I do understand that you wrote most of the Yakov Kreizberg Wikipedia page. I instantly deduced that from the degree of your presence on the historical list of editors. As well, your citation of your own blog entry from the New York Public Library as a reference (which, BTW, is not acceptable citation practice on Wikipedia, as that is a conflict of interest, but I digress) also pretty much gives away the game, where you note that you and he were classmates and best friends. But putting that aside for now, I can only conclude from your reversion of my edits that, to put it rather bluntly, you did not notice a single detail in the edits that I made. Let me point out some examples, where my edits improved on information in the article, either by corrections of facts, or clarity of presentation:

1. Kreizberg's LA Philharmonic debut was in 1993, not 2000. The Bernheimer review from the LA Times that I found, with link, proves it. Is there something wrong with this?
2. Chicago Tribune was misspelt Chicago "Tribute". I also found a link to von Rhein's review as well. Is it harmful to correct the newspaper's spelling and add the link?
3. I found the closing year for Kreizberg's tenure as principal guest conductor of the Vienna Symphony, from that Vienna Symphony reference, as the closing year was missing in the earlier version. Is adding this closing year objectionable?
4. For many of your citations from the New York Times, I found the links to the on-line versions of those articles. Adding those links makes those citations more accessible to people than simply citing a page number in a hard-copy version, which most locations will not have access to in any case. Is adding these links a bad thing to do?
5. I tracked down other (many other) legitimate, 3rd party citations on such matters as his award from the Austrian government. What is the harm in adding new, valid references and links?
6. My reformatting of many of the references that you put in puts those references in the current, preferred reference presentation format for Wikipedia articles. What is objectionable about that?
7. Several of those references had broken links. The link to the Thomas Valone citation, for example, no longer works. Likewise, two of the Gramophone citations are broken. But I was able to find a link for the Richard Wigmore review of the Mozart album, and revised that reference to include that link.
8. References like the Naxos or Classics Online pages, or blog entries, in general are not acceptable as references on Wikipedia, especially commercial sites like the Naxos page. They are acceptable as external links, but in general, references must be objective, 3rd party sources that have no vested interest in a given subject.
9. I added to the succession box information about his Krefeld tenure, with predecessor and successor. It was not there before. Was this addition a problem?
10. Other references had URL's that were still active, but the actual URL's had changed. The RM Campbell article from the Seattle Post-Intelligencer is one instance, where, by the way, I clarified the parent source there as well. What is objectionable to updating old URL's?

There are many more examples, but these will suffice for now. My point is that I made none of my edits out of malice aforethought, or any ill will. I saw that information gaps existed and needed to be filled in this article.

So I pose this general question to you. With respect to references or actual, verifiable facts, what in my edit was inaccurate, inappropriate, or objectionable? In other words:

a. What was wrong with the new references, or my reformatting of older references?
b. What was incorrect with new information that I added, such as the simple addition of his middle name, Mayevich, which is his brother's middle name? On a more complicated level, the addition of the details about just how Kreizberg and his mother were able to emigrate helped to clarify that aspect of the story. I found that fascinating, as I did not know about that until I read the Independent obit by Martin Anderson. What was so objectionable about including such material?
c. Are any of the new references that I added invalid? If so, what makes them invalid?

I understand completely that you put in a great deal of effort into this page. Kreizberg was your classmate and a great friend, and he died much, much too young. That was a terrible thing to happen, and who wouldn't sympathise? It is clear that you have a great deal of emotional investment in his page, which is completely understandable. However, there is a standard 'boilerplate' passage on Wikipedia that goes as follows:

"....if you are affiliated with some of the people, places or things you have written about on Wikipedia, you may have a conflict of interest or close connection to the subject. All editors are required to comply with Wikipedia's neutral point of view content policy. People who are very close to a subject often have a distorted view of it, which may cause them to inadvertently edit in ways that make the article either too flattering or too disparaging. People with a close connection to a subject are not absolutely prohibited from editing about that subject, but they need to be especially careful about ensuring their edits are verified by reliable sources and writing with as little bias as possible."

I have no such emotional investment or close connection to Kreizberg. I have seen him conduct, but that's it. The fact that I have no close connection or emotional investment in him makes me the more objective writer of the two of us, with all due respect. Not necessarily "better", just more objective. But you do have this close affiliation, and that is undoubtedly a factor here.

I acknowledge that you have put a great deal of your time and work into this page. So have I, albeit in a more concentrated time frame. I did much web searching to track down good, solid on-line sources for all the edits that I made. I care about accurate facts and citations. I have no personal interest or axe to grind, except in the general academic sense of proper citations, objective tone, and well-presented narrative.

I would ask of you a thought experiment: please go back and look through my edit carefully, to see the changes that I made in detail. Put my version and yours side by side, and note the differences, again in fine detail, which of course is very easily done by one simple click. I went through the article very, very carefully, literally line by line, in the version prior to my changes. My edits were very carefully placed and designed to improve the article, in the terms of which I spoke earlier: proper citations, objective tone, and clarification of the narrative.

The article remains as it is currently, because that will lead to unconstructive edit wars which would serve no purpose. This leads to the other aspect of the situation, regarding puffery, which is a subject for another day. Suffice it to say that I can very easily prove, paragraph by paragraph and section by section, that what I removed from the earlier version was indeed puffery/peacock text, although again, that can be for another day. But just to note some small technical points on the presentation on a different level:

(a) You quoted the long panegyric about Kreizberg's conducting technique, which begins "He has since been consistently praised....", twice, almost identically. Why repeat it? There is no need for such a long passage to occur twice.
(b) I moved the details that were in the "Personal" section in the prior version to earlier in the article, about his family ancestry, because those belong at the beginning and not halfway through. As well, from the new citations, I added nothing to my new edit that was compromising or personally offensive.
(c) In general, I tried to linearise the narrative to prevent a sense of jumping around between different years not in sequential order. Why is that so objectionable?

I can elaborate in much detail much further, but to be honest, viewing the different versions side-by-side will do that task for me. None of my changes show any disrespect or speak ill of Kreizberg in any way, and: much of the overall content and form that you had put in remains. I again realise that because of your close connection to Kreizberg, it's quite understandable if you might feel that this edit is somehow personal, perhaps even an affront. Given the work that both of us have invested in this article, it is perhaps not the easiest thing all around to remain detached in this situation, although I surmise that it perhaps is easier for me. I can only assure you as a honest wikipedian that the edit is not personal at all, nor is it an affront in any way, if that means anything. I even made some edits to my first edit after reading comments from you on the talk page. Perhaps down the line, we could take "the best of both worlds" and meet somewhere in the middle.

As I said, I read through the article with very great care before I made my changes. IMHO, it's quite reasonable to ask that the same respect be granted for myself. I don't think that this is asking too much. Cheers, DJRafe (talk) 06:16, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Admittedly I reverted after reading the first several edits because I didn't like your removal of information I consider significant. I'll look over your points tomorrow. kosboot (talk) 06:47, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Saturday February 7 in NYC: Black Life Matters Editathon[edit]

Saturday February 7 in NYC: Black Life Matters Editathon
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You are invited to join us at New York Public Library's Schomburg Center for Research in Black Culture for our upcoming editathon, a part of the Black WikiHistory Month campaign (which also includes events in Brooklyn and Westchester!).

12:00pm - 5:00 pm at NYPL Schomburg Center, 515 Malcolm X Boulevard (Lenox Avenue), by W 135th St

The Wikipedia training and editathon will take place in the Aaron Douglas Reading Room of the Jean Blackwell Hutson Research and Reference Division, with a reception following in the Langston Hughes lobby on the first floor of the building at 5:00pm.

We hope to see you there!--Pharos (talk) 06:03, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

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WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 1[edit]

Hi! Thank you for subscribing to the WikiProject X Newsletter. For our first issue...

Has WikiProject X changed the world yet? No.

We opened up shop last month and announced our existence to the world. Our first phase is the "research" phase, consisting mostly of reading and listening. We set up our landing page and started collecting stories. So far, 28 stories have been shared about WikiProjects, describing a variety of experiences across numerous WikiProjects. A recurring story involves a WikiProject that starts off strong but has trouble continuing to stay active. Most people describe using WikiProjects as a way to get feedback from other editors. Some quotes:

  • "Working on requested articles, utilising the reliable sources section, and having an active WikiProject to ask questions in really helped me learn how to edit Wikipedia and looking back I don't know how long I would have stayed editing without that project." – Sam Walton on WikiProject Video Games
  • "I believe that the main problem of the Wikiprojects is that they are complicated to use. There should be a a much simpler way to check what do do, what needs to be improved etc." – Tetra quark
  • "In the late 2000s, WikiProject Film tried to emulate WP:MILHIST in having coordinators and elections. Unfortunately, this was not sustainable and ultimately fell apart." – Erik

Of course, these are just anecdotes. While they demonstrate what is possible, they do not necessarily explain what is typical. We will be using this information in conjunction with a quantitative analysis of WikiProjects, as documented on Meta. Particularly, we are interested in the measurement of WikiProject activity as it relates to overall editing in that WikiProject's subject area.

We also have 50 people and projects signed up for pilot testing, which is an excellent start! (An important caveat: one person volunteering a WikiProject does not mean the WikiProject as a whole is interested; just that there is at least one person, which is a start.)

While carrying out our research, we are documenting the problems with WikiProjects and our ideas for making WikiProjects better. Some ideas include better integration of existing tools into WikiProjects, recommendations of WikiProjects for people to join, and improved coordination with Articles for Creation. These are just ideas that may or may not make it to the design phase; we will see. We are also working with WikiProject Council to improve the directory of WikiProjects, with the goal of a reliable, self-updating WikiProject directory. Stay tuned! If you have any ideas, you are welcome to leave a note on our talk page.

That's all for now. Thank you for subscribing!

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Hi, Kosboot! It is rare for vandalism to make me laugh, but this was a classic: . I hope you're doing well! -- Ssilvers (talk) 18:55, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Peter the Great Klein -- has a ring to it, no? :) Thanks for the note & all the best. kosboot (talk) 18:59, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

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Books and Bytes - Issue 10[edit]

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Books & Bytes
Issue 10, January-February 2015
by The Interior (talk · contribs), Ocaasi (talk · contribs), Sadads (talk · contribs)

  • New donations - ProjectMUSE, Dynamed, Royal Pharmaceutical Society, and Women Writers Online
  • New TWL coordinator, conference news, and a new guide and template for archivists
  • TWL moves into the new Community Engagement department at the WMF, quarterly review

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Sunday March 22: Wikipedia Day NYC Celebration and Mini-Conference[edit]

Sunday March 22: Wikipedia Day NYC 2015
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You are invited to join us at Barnard College for Wikipedia Day NYC 2015, a Wikipedia celebration and mini-conference for the project's 14th birthday. In addition to the party, the event will be a participatory unconference, with plenary panels, lightning talks, and of course open space sessions.

We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects.

10:00pm - 9:00 pm at Barnard College, 3009 Broadway, by W 118th St

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 21:58, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

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Questions re: NYPD Wikipedia edits[edit]

Hey Kosboot,

I'm a journalist looking to get some comments from Wikimedia commenters in NYC on the NYPD edits to Wikipedia that were released by Capital New York. I reached out because I saw that you were part of the NYC Wikipedia Meetup group. Would it be possible to have a talk?

Thanks so much! --Thencarolsaid (talk) 18:28, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

It would be possible to have a talk, but I wouldn't want anything quoted to me, since my identity is fairly transparent. Of course the story is horrendous (I've always said colloquially that the only different between crooks and police is that police wear a uniform). You should try for the head of the chapter who's pretty diplomatic: Pharos. - (signed) kosboot (talk) 19:38, 13 March 2015 (UTC)

I'm considering to plan a editathan and need an advice[edit]

Hello Kosboot. About two years ago, a Wiki editathon was dedicated to improving to Latin music. Since then, I have been considering staring a follow-up to it. So here is my question: Did the American Sabor institution contact Wikipedia or someone from Wikipedia contact the American Sabor? The reason I am asking is because I wish to ask an institution in Miami and likely set up an editathon over there dedicated to the mention topic. Thanks in advance. Erick (talk) 09:33, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi there Magiciandude. The edit-a-thon you referred to (and which I organized) was not a success because we were not able to successfully connect with the Latino community. Since that time, I and others have come to realize that an edit-a-thon that involves a group of people (be it ethnic, cultural, etc.) must have a representative of that community who wants his/her group to have a voice on Wikipedia. That representative must carry the weight of outreach and diplomacy to get others on board. Several of us in the NY Chapter have also begun to realize that the technical side of wiki-editing is kind of a waste of time and a disincentive for most beginners; we want to experiment with people just writing the texts (with proper references) which experienced Wikipedians can then put in WP. If you're in Miami, then I would think the institution you're thinking of is the University of Miami which I know has a big Cuban Theatre project (I've seen talks given on that project) which has a number of enthusiastic staff. Let me know what else I can tell or share with you. - kosboot (talk) 13:07, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
I wanted to go on that editathon that day, but I was unable to due to time and money. I thought long and hard about how I could improve the editathon and how I could be able to attend the editathon. Even though I don't live in Miami, it would be a viable option to me because I live in Central Florida and I can plan a trip to Miami a day advance with little to no problem. One major organization I'm hoping to get involved with is the Latin Academy of Recording Arts & Sciences which is located over there. Several main reasons why I would like them to get them involved are because 1) The Latin music project scope is based on their definition of "Latin music" (Spanish- and Portuguese-language recordings) 2) They are the organization responsible for the Latin Grammy Awards and 3) LARAs launched the Latin Grammy Cultural Foundation which is an education program for anyone who wants to work in the Latin music field. I think the latter is important because I'm aware that Wikipedia has worked with several educational institutions before with Wiki editahons. The University of Miami could be very useful as the location and LARAS's backing could be beneficial. I do have a back-up plan in the event they decline the request, though the editathon would then be elsewhere. Miami is the "Capital of Latin America" so hopefully we can have a better chance of reaching the Latino community there. Erick (talk) 17:22, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
Wow, with those participants it has the potential to be a winner. Have you organized an edit-a-thon? I assume you know the page WP:Editathon. One thing that I would do differently (which is hard because of the nature of the NY chapter) is plan well in advance and start promotion around 3-4 months prior to the event, so that momentum can build up and reach people. If I was nearby I would help. You might want to involve the Wiki Ed Foundation since you have a very definitive educational component and the potential of outreach to the Latino community is great. - kosboot (talk) 18:18, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
Hearing your approval of my idea means a lot to me, thank you very much! =) I have never done an edit-a-thon before so this is an exciting opportunity for me and the community. I was already thinking having the event around in June or July but it helps to know regardless. I do wish to get the Wiki Ed Foundations involved and organize the editathon, yet I don't even know where to begin with all this. Erick (talk) 18:29, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
I strongly suggest plan as much as you can, and plan for contingencies. The Wiki Ed Fnd. is rather small--just reach out to them. They might be able to offer suggestions. Try to find someone to assist, otherwise you'll risk burnout--there is a lot to think about. Promotion is an especially difficult problem, thinking of who would be interested (that's where someone from the community helps to know what are the communications venues - websites, email, posters in stores and school libraries, etc.). If you want, I can ask the NY chapter if anyone knows contacts in Miami or Florida in general that could pitch in with help. -kosboot (talk) 18:34, 17 March 2015 (UTC)
Oh yes, I'd appreciate that. I'll go ahead and start asking Wiki Ed Fnd. about the possible edit-a-thon in Miami. I do want to mention that my back-up plan (like if LARAS turns it down for example) would then be changed to Boston and get the Berklee College of Music involved as they have a Latin Music studies department. Right now, Miami is the most viable option for me to attend and as mentioned, has a huge Latino community. Again, thanks for your help. Cheers! Erick (talk) 18:49, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 2[edit]

For this month's issue...

Making sense of a lot of data.

Work on our prototype will begin imminently. In the meantime, we have to understand what exactly we're working with. To this end, we generated a list of 71 WikiProjects, based on those brought up on our Stories page and those who had signed up for pilot testing. For those projects where people told stories, we coded statements within those stories to figure out what trends there were in these stories. This approach allowed us to figure out what Wikipedians thought of WikiProjects in a very organic way, with very little by way of a structure. (Compare this to a structured interview, where specific questions are asked and answered.) This analysis was done on 29 stories. Codes were generally classified as "benefits" (positive contributions made by a WikiProject to the editing experience) and "obstacles" (issues posed by WikiProjects, broadly speaking). Codes were generated as I went along, ensuring that codes were as close to the original data as possible. Duplicate appearances of a code for a given WikiProject were removed.

We found 52 "benefit" statements encoded and 34 "obstacle" statements. The most common benefit statement referring to the project's active discussion and participation, followed by statements referring to a project's capacity to guide editor activity, while the most common obstacles made reference to low participation and significant burdens on the part of the project maintainers and leaders. This gives us a sense of WikiProjects' big strength: they bring people together, and can be frustrating to editors when they fail to do so. Meanwhile, it is indeed very difficult to bring editors together on a common interest; in the absence of a highly motivated core of organizers, the technical infrastructure simply isn't there.

We wanted to pair this qualitative study with quantitative analysis of a WikiProject and its "universe" of pages, discussions, templates, and categories. To this end I wrote a script called ProjAnalysis which will, for a given WikiProject page (e.g. Wikipedia:WikiProject Star Trek) and WikiProject talk-page tag (e.g. Template:WikiProject Star Trek), will give you a list of usernames of people who edited within the WikiProject's space (the project page itself, its talk page, and subpages), and within the WikiProject's scope (the pages tagged by that WikiProject, excluding the WikiProject space pages). The output is an exhaustive list of usernames. We ran the script to analyze our test batch of WikiProjects for edits between March 1, 2014 and February 28, 2015, and we subjected them to further analysis to only include those who made 10+ edits to pages in the projects' scope, those who made 4+ edits to the projects' space, and those who made 10+ edits to pages in scope but not 4+ edits to pages in the projects' space. This latter metric gives us an idea of who is active in a certain subject area of Wikipedia, yet who isn't actively engaging on the WikiProject's pages. This information will help us prioritize WikiProjects for pilot testing, and the ProjAnalysis script in general may have future life as an application that can be used by Wikipedians to learn about who is in their community.

Complementing the above two studies are a design analysis, which summarizes the structure of the different WikiProject spaces in our test batch, and the comprehensive census of bots and tools used to maintain WikiProjects, which will be finished soon. With all of this information, we will have a game plan in place! We hope to begin working with specific WikiProjects soon.

As a couple of asides...

  • Database Reports has existed for several years on Wikipedia to the satisfaction of many, but many of the reports stopped running when the Toolserver was shut off in 2014. However, there is good news: the weekly New WikiProjects and WikiProjects by Changes reports are back, with potential future reports in the future.
  • WikiProject X has an outpost on Wikidata! Check it out. It's not widely publicized, but we are interested in using Wikidata as a potential repository for metadata about WikiProjects, especially for WikiProjects that exist on multiple Wikimedia projects and language editions.

That's all for now. Thank you for subscribing! If you have any questions or comments, please share them with us.

Harej (talk) 01:43, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thanks for your editing of The Adventures of Ellery Queen (radio program). I appreciate your help. Eddie Blick (talk) 20:55, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

You're welcome. Actually I could do a bit more since I have the book of Dannay & Lee's EQ scripts as well as the book all about the various versions of the radio show. kosboot (talk) 20:57, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

Great to meet you[edit]

Hi Kosboot -- just wanted to say it was great to meet you at WikiDay NYC and I look forward to having you talk with my students at some point! Spring recess is around the corner so it might need to be after the break. Perhaps a Skype session or visit from you when they can hear your advice about how to integrate feedback from peer reviews (which they will have just received) and/or how to submit for Did You Know? or other opportunities. Thanks again and I'll be in touch! All best, Amy E Hughes (talk) 21:55, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

And great to me you, too! Sure, after the break, I'd be happy to come out to Brooklyn (btw, when and on what day of the week does your class meet)? Something you might want to consider for a future class (I remember you told me you're on sabbatical after this semester) - bring the class to the library and I can show them the kinds of resources available not just for the assignment but for their student careers. Or lacking that I could draw up a handout (although I think it makes a difference when they can see and hold the material). I really enjoyed the panel. Thanks again! kosboot (talk) 21:58, 23 March 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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For your contributions to Margherita Bevignani and other great work in the Classical Music field! gidonb (talk) 12:17, 27 March 2015 (UTC)

A new reference tool[edit]

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April 29: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC[edit]

Wednesday April 29, 7pm: WikiWednesday Salon and Skill-Share NYC
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You are invited to join the Wikimedia NYC community for our inaugural evening "WikiWednesday" salon and knowledge-sharing workshop by 14th Street / Union Square in Manhattan.

We also hope for the participation of our friends from the Free Culture movement and from educational and cultural institutions interested in developing free knowledge projects. We will also follow up on plans for recent and upcoming editathons, and other outreach activities.

After the main meeting, pizza and refreshments and video games in the gallery!

7:00pm - 9:00 pm at Babycastles, 137 West 14th Street

Featuring a keynote talk this month on Lady Librarians & Feminist Epistemologies! We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience! Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues! --Pharos (talk) 18:28, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

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Caitlin Dewey[edit]

Thought you might like to know that Ms Dewey is aware that a regular WP editor described her reporting as "barely worthy of a college freshman." She tweeted a screenshot of your comment being removed from the BLP that someone tried to start on her. Cheers! Cla68 (talk) 11:10, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

[1] Cla68 (talk) 11:59, 17 April 2015 (UTC)


Thanks for the message; I thought that I did a search for a Gypsy entry but obviously missed the Main listing! Anyway, I fixed the title of the article, so all is well. (By the way, I attended Queens College in the late 1950s-1961.)Flami72 (talk) 15:02, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

Not a problem. I attended Queens 1979-1985 (took some time off). Wikipedia is a continual learning experience - each one of us learns each day that we edit. :) - kosboot (talk) 15:11, 17 April 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 15 April 2015[edit]

WikiProject X Newsletter • Issue 3[edit]

Greetings! For this month's issue...

We have demos!

After a lengthy research and design process, we decided for WikiProject X to focus on two things:

  • A WikiProject workflow that focuses on action items: discussions you can participate in and tasks you can perform to improve the encyclopedia; and
  • An automatically updating WikiProject directory that gives you lists of users participating in the WikiProject and editing in that subject area.

We have a live demonstration of the new WikiProject workflow at WikiProject Women in Technology, a brand new WikiProject that was set up as an adjunct to a related edit-a-thon in Washington, DC. The goal is to surface action items for editors, and we intend on doing that through automatically updated working lists. We are looking into using SuggestBot to generate lists of outstanding tasks, and we are looking into additional options for automatic worklist generation. This takes the burden off of WikiProject editors to generate these worklists, though there is also a "requests" section for Wikipedians to make individual requests. (As of writing, these automated lists are not yet live, so you will see a blank space under "edit articles" on the demo WikiProject. Sorry about that!) I invite you to check out the WikiProject and leave feedback on WikiProject X's talk page.

Once the demo is sufficiently developed, we will be working on a limited deployment on our pilot WikiProjects. We have selected five for the first round of testing based on the highest potential for impact and will scale up from there.

While a re-designed WikiProject experience is much needed, that alone isn't enough. A WikiProject isn't any good if people have no way of discovering it. This is why we are also developing an automatically updated WikiProject directory. This directory will surface project-related metrics, including a count of active WikiProject participants and of active editors in that project's subject area. The purpose of these metrics is to highlight how active the WikiProject is at the given point of time, but also to highlight that project's potential for success. The directory is not yet live but there is a demonstration featuring a sampling of WikiProjects.

Each directory entry will link to a WikiProject description page which automatically list the active WikiProject participants and subject-area article editors. This allows Wikipedians to find each other based on the areas they are interested in, and this information can be used to revive a WikiProject, start a new one, or even for some other purpose. These description pages are not online yet, but they will use this template, if you want to get a feel of what they will look like.

We need volunteers!

WikiProject X is a huge undertaking, and we need volunteers to support our efforts, including testers and coders. Check out our volunteer portal and see what you can do to help us!

As an aside...

Wouldn't it be cool if lists of requested articles could not only be integrated directly with WikiProjects, but also shared between WikiProjects? Well, we got the crazy idea of having experimental software feature Flow deployed (on a totally experimental basis) on the new Article Request Workshop, which seeks to be a place where editors can "workshop" article ideas before they get created. It uses Flow because Flow allows, essentially, section-level categorization, and in the future will allow "sections" (known as "topics" within Flow) to be included across different pages. What this means is that you have a recommendation for a new article tagged by multiple WikiProjects, allowing for the recommendation to appear on lists for each WikiProject. This will facilitate inter-WikiProject collaboration and will help to reduce duplicated work. The Article Request Workshop is not entirely ready yet due to some bugs with Flow, but we hope to integrate it into our pilot WikiProjects at some point.

Harej (talk) 00:57, 19 April 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 22 April 2015[edit]