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[edit] Hedgehog

Hi Kraftlos, Thx for your time in reviewing my article. i understand your concern about Hedgehog not being notable enough, but as a Beijing resident of 5 years i can assure you that the band has always been an important key anchor in the city's independent music scene. Unfortunately, I'm unable to read Chinese, so can't refer to those sources to back up my claim.

I was very surprised when i realized a year ago that there is no page for Hedgehog, but there are pages for Chinese bands who are less significant and much less popular. Would it be useful to cite City Weekend articles where 1) Hedgehog is the first listed of 2011's best bands, or 2) Hedgehog is the 2nd listed of Beijing's best bands past and present?

http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing/articles/blogs-beijing/the-beat/the-year-in-rock-hottest-bands-of-2011/

http://www.cityweekend.com.cn/beijing/articles/blogs-beijing/the-beat/local-rock-101-beijing-bands-you-should-already-know-about/

Thanks for your time, i appreciate it. I'm still getting to know the ins and outs of Wikipedia.

William (citrusconcept) Citrusconcept (talk) 08:49, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Citrustconcept. The main problem here isn't that there are no sources in English, it's just that Wikipedia articles are built on reliably independent coverage from third-party sources. That cityweekend can probably count as one reliable source, but the coverage in those two articles is pretty short. It would be better if you could find longer newspaper-style articles that are specifically about the band either from a newspaper or reliable online publication. You might also want to look at WP:BAND and WP:RS if you haven't already. Feel free to message me here if you have more questions! --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 08:01, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

[edit] Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/David R. Fett

Hello Kraftlos,

Thank you for reviewing the recent article I submitted. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/David_R._Fett As the article has not been accepted, I would like to ask you a few questions to see whether I can improve it for re-submission.

  1. Regarding the "reliable" citing sources: If we cite the bullet-pointed research papers in Fett’s “Publications” section, would this be adherent to citing “independent” and “reliable” sources? Fett’s research has been published in accredited science and medical journals and abstracts for most of them can be found online.
  2. If there are any other advice you can provide on creating "reliable" and "independent" sources I would appreciate it very much.
  3. I noticed that the original "Reference List" I submitted was reduced almost half. Does that mean that the ones that have been deleted are not to be submitted again?

Thank you for your time and looking forward to hearing from you.

--Jae825 (talk) 00:46, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello Jae825, The references I removed were all links to other Wikipedia articles - which should be placed as WikiLinks in the main text of the article, but cannot be used as a reference for content to your article. Wikipedia articles are considered tertiary sources, that is a source complied from other sources, sources like scholarly journals and newspaper articles are secondary sources and things written by the subject would be a primary source. Wikipedia articles generally should only use reliable secondary and primary sources to fill in the gaps. In the case of establishing notability you should only be using secondary or independent sources that write specifically about the source. Wikipedia articles cannot be used as sources.
Papers written by the subject are worth mentioning, but they would be considered primary sources. What you need are reliable sources talking about Fett that aren't connected to him - I recall there being an MIT allumni news source, but you'll need a couple more sources. Anyway, I hope this advice made sense, please ask me if you need clarification. --Kraftlos (Talk | Contrib) 04:33, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

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