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Desperate vandal is still active[edit]

This user is new sock of Tirgil34. This time, he represents himself as Kurdish (remember in the past he behave as if he was Hungarian, German, even Ossetian). Just like Mirliebeip and Kleropides, he try to de-lranification Kurds. Of course there are Kurds with the same agenda but these Kurdish nationalists never make such contributions: 1 2 Also he knows Turkish. Same manner, same talking style. See this.

Additionally, he OUTLlNED his Kurdish identity in his user page. (Similar to Radosfrester, Tirgil34,...). Remember Mirliebeip also made the similar thing. Other socks:

Also see the history of Turan to see other socks.

Proxy ips that are abused by Tirgil34[edit]

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These proxies are generally from US, Japan, etc and are statics just like many other proxies. As i told before, banning sock accounts alone doesn't work so much. He just create new ones. Block for proxies and range block for his real IPs also necessary.

Note: He has an account on YouTube: Spirit of the steppe 176.219.166.35 (talk) 11:38, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

I've checked the LTA, I would recommend Krakkos to add any of the IPs that were blocked as his socks to that LTA page. Thank you. OccultZone (TalkContributionsLog) 09:54, 7 April 2015 (UTC)
lf l were you, i'd added these ips listed above for SPl instead of mine or at least in addition to mine.You are confused but no matter. l can understand it and i will keep reporting this internet addicted sockmaster's news socks here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.219.164.221 (talk) 22:22, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Looks like it started again[edit]

See Bashkirs, Andronovo culture, Turan, and Persian mythology. --Zyma (talk) 23:44, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

@Zyma: This is interesting. Grathmy (talk · contribs) edits to Andronovo culture are very similar to Tirgil34 (talk · contribs). I think it's time for another SPI. Regarding the edits to Turan and Persian mythology, i suppose you are refering to those of Saint Mahabali (talk · contribs) and Tyu900 (talk · contribs). I you could provide relevant diffs i would be happy to add those users to a future SPI. Krakkos (talk) 20:26, 5 April 2015 (UTC)
See [1] and [2]. His typical behavior. --Zyma (talk) 08:26, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
@Zyma: i found something interesting. It seems like this blog (identical to turkicworld.org) is another basement for User:Tirgil34. See this "Wikipedia" section of the blog, which saves articles created by Barefact deleted by "Iranian supremacists".[3] Here Tirgil34's likey account at TheApricity Kipchak Håkan refers[4] to the same material as that mentioned on the blog.[5] In a video section the blog refers[6] to Youtube videos created by Tirgil34's likely Youtube account ✣ Tengri • Spirit of the Steppe ✣ Barefact seems to have a close relation to many Tirgil34 socks.[7][8][9] Also compare this post by Barefact[10] to this post by Tirgil34 IPv6 sock.[11] Also see this. What do you think? Krakkos (talk) 22:44, 15 May 2015 (UTC)
They're same person. Multiple account and each account have its own personality. Typical pov-pusher/troll behavior. Sometimes they work as a team, because their IPs are from various locations, e.g. Germany, Turkey, Russia, Kazakhstan, and etc. They're members of various Anthroboards. I think their current victims are Indo-Iranian/Persian-related articles, but according to their anti-European goal, if they manage to manipulate current targets successfully, their next targets are European-related articles. They follow a Sun Language Theory-like model. Pseudo-science, false etymology, funny conclusions about DNA results, taxonomy/racial claims, rejecting accepted sources, using dubious and outdated sources; and finally if all of those attempts failed, they will try various revisionist methods. For example, they hide their desired contents into some parts of targeted article and those contents are complete biased materials which do not match with the main weight of article (see this). Did you see that guy's conclusions? I saw horrible comparisons of ethnic groups done by him. Rejects mixed origins, Turkification (or other assimilation forms), and then when others mention other facts, he creates Turkic stories for those facts. As I said before, it looks like this "internet quest" is his primary job. Just go to his den (The Apricity), review his posts, google some of his posts and you will see that he is active on almost every related forum or websites. In his poisoned mind, every thing is eurocentrist and anti-Turk. Also, I don't know why he wants to create this "White Turanid" version of history. Because his ethnic group (Turkish) is not similar to Central Asians? His anti-Iranian propaganda amazes me. He denies almost all of Persian culture and history, and created his Turkic version for them! What do you think about him? --Zyma (talk) 12:17, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

If my source is poorly sourced than so is yours !!!![edit]

Firstable, I admit "Spiritclaymore" was a sockpuppet of my account. It is now banned account because I was punished, I was also temporary banned from editing. Now I only have 1 account, so I'm given a second chance.


If you zoom or look properly, you can see it referenced Rudenko quote on " G. F. Debets on the physical characteristics of the population in the Pazyryk kurgans"

https://books.google.co.uk/books?ei=rLbjVM6gFcjEPKOrgLgP&id=KlMhAQAAMAAJ&dq=Debets+on+the+physical+characteristics+of+the+population+in+the+Pazyryk+kurgans%2C+records+a+mixed+population.+The+men+would+seem+to+be+part+Mongoloid+and+the+women+Europoid&focus=searchwithinvolume&q=mongoloid


so please do not cherry pick data and claim this poorly source. YOUR SOURCE AND MINE ARE FROM THE SAME PERSON There are numerous sources of Rudenko that mentions the male and female population of Pazyryk people but you choose not to edit it so I did.

WorldCreaterFighter (talk) 13:29, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

I've reported WCF at ANI for continued plagiarism. Ian.thomson (talk) 21:41, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

My suggestion[edit]

Hi. I saw your SPI was closed without result. My suggestion: Your spi cases are too long and have many related and unrelated reported users. It's better to write short, direct and clean evidences. Also only report active and most suspected ones. I've reviewed Tirgil34 case archive, then I've found this report as a good example. Regards. --Zyma (talk) 05:09, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

@Zyma: Yes, Zyma. You are right. The previous investigation got completely out of hand. I have conferred with admins, and will refile the Tirgil34 SPI in a more effective way when i have time. Krakkos (talk) 00:55, 24 May 2015 (UTC)
The earlier report you're linking to was indeed successful. It was initially endorsed by Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry, who checked one of them and then endorsed all the others. Which users who conduct the reviews and checks seems to be critical for the outcome of sockpuppetry investigations. Krakkos (talk) 01:09, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

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Avars and Iranian people[edit]

Hi, I saw your recent positive edits on Pannonian Avars (and Avar Khaganate), and Iranian peoples. However, as am working on the Pannonian Avars article the inclusion of Altaic-Turkic or Indo-European tribes among Iranian peoples according linguistic influence (not ethnogenetic and cultural), which are also really minor scholar considerations, insufficient for such claims and inclusion (per WP:NPOV). Of all sources about Turkic peoples which found until now, personally consider the best (also as a criterion), with quite neutral and serious POV and research, the book by Peter Benjamin Golden An Introduction to the History of the Turkic Peoples: Ethnogenesis and State-formation in Medieval and Early Modern Eurasia and the Middle East (1992). In the section "European Avars" is clearly stated, besides their possible heterogeneity which was common in steppe nomadic confederation, the unambiguous anthropological and linguistic (personal names, military titles) evidence they were of Mongoloid or Altaic-Turkic origin, at least the ruling elite caste. In conclusion, there is some scholars debate about the Pannonian Avars heterogeneity, but generally is considered that at least the ruling elite, which we consider as Avars, was of Altaic-Turkic origin. Think that the previous revision of the Avar Khaganate introduction "It was a confederacy ruled by a group of medieval equestrian warrior nomads of Altaic-[4]Turkic[5][6] extraction known as Avars or Pseudo-Avars, and which included Slavs and other Pontic–Caspian steppe tribes." somewhat most accurate and neutral. --Crovata (talk) 12:29, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

@Crovata: Thank you, i've seen your positive edits at various Wikipedia articles too. The edit about Altaic origins was probably added by an IP sock of Tirgil34, see WP:Tirgil34 and Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Tirgil34 BöriShad section. Sock's edits should be removed as per WP:EVASION and WP:G5. The Altaic languages is also according to Wikipedia "widely discredited". It does not belong to the lead at Avars as Tirgil34 inserted it. As explained in the sources, the origins of the Avars is uncertain, some view them as descended from the Rouran (probably Monglic) or the Hephthalites (probably Iranian), and there are many theories on their linguistic affiliation. There is an whole army of turanist sockmasters adding "Turkic" to the first sentence of every article about Central Asia. This is a major problem. Since there are various theories and there is no consensus, each of them should be given due weight. Krakkos (talk) 12:54, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
Indeed, after being for some time an editor of Wikipedia was quite surprised of the amount of suspicious activity. Those two or three sources (4, 5, 6) weren't quite the most notable and reliable. The Altaic-Turkic is often used as a broader term in ethnogenetic sense, not just linguistic, meaning Mongol-Turkic. The Rouran or Hephthalites, and other geographic and time ancestry is indeed scholars speculation, very uncertain and hardly more than that. However, as already said, at least there is some consensus, ie. the most prevailing consideration is the Altaic-Turkic extraction (not exclusive and only ethnogenetic, but at least the most prominent cultural origin) of the European Avars elite caste in Pannonia. Think that the turanist activity shouldn't be taken as reason for not using that term in the introduction. Whether could be somehow mentioned in the intro both the uncertainity and the specific extraction?
For example, the article on Bulgars, the same period nomadic tribes of similar culture, points out the Turkic exctraction of the tribes (due to linguistic, cultural and politic-structural traits), but in the "Ethnicity" section is explained the complexitiy of ethnogenesis of those tribal confederations due to the often public misunderstanding (that it means Mongoloids) of the ethnogenesis meaning of the term "Turks". While among the Bulgars and their graves is low percent of Mongoloid anthropological types, it seems that among Pannonian Avars was in much higher percent and that explains the Altaic-Turkic cultural traits (for example the different titles from the Bulgars, except khan or qhagan). Similarly would do with the article on Pannonian Avars as already has that emphasize. Sorry for a long reply, but it's nice to see from time to time polite and constructive discussion, both for Wikipedia and personal knowledge.--Crovata (talk) 13:56, 29 May 2015 (UTC)
@Crovata: I agree, finally a constructive discussion. Seems to be rare these days... I added a citation from Christopher I. Beckwith's Empires of the Silk Road to the Pannonian Avars article. I you're interested in Central Eurasian history this is a very useful book, which can be accessed by free license here. I wish you good luck with your work on Pannonian Avars and other articles. Krakkos (talk) 18:13, 29 May 2015 (UTC)