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About the closure of TfD:Distinguish.[edit]

See Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2014_July_6#Template:Distinguish.

You closed it within 2 days 40 hrs after opening, without clarifying or even mentioning reasons for your early closure. A 'speedy closure' was opposed with reasoning, but you did not recognise or read. In the time before closing, a discussion was going on between multiple contributors. It looks like you only did an early !vote count, which is ill-practice (even after full-time). Also, you did not evaluate the content of the contributions. A lot of contributors were just copy-supporting a 'keep', or even supporting a 'keep' showing explicit ignorance. All this is in the thread, and you clearly did not evaluate this (or even read it).

Finally, about your statement: "... and any discussions about what to do with it should occur at the talk page" is blatant nonsense: the TfD was to the point. This borders abuse of admin powers. It shows Admins Arrogance for slamming the nominator (this, again, without done reasoning or guideline reference). I only expect that the period be observed, and that any closing editors reads and weighs the contributions without prejudice. Please reopen the TfD as a correction to this closure. It is up to you to find a way. ping @Thumperward:. -DePiep (talk) 00:57, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi. I am not an administrator. If you want to revert me, I will not block you, drag you to some obscure noticeboard, hold a grudge for eternity, or do anything to that effect. Also, I have a right to perform a non-admin closure, as I am allowed to ignore the rules if I deem the situation to be the case. Not that this is giving me an excuse to do it, but I wanted to let you know that I am perfectly within reason to do so at this time because various editors have offered reasons for their votes that weren't all running along the same rationale. If either of you wants to reopen it, I will not object. However, I do object to your attacking me for something which you clearly have not researched (I am not an administrator), and your bludgeoning of others with differing opinions. Again, I really do not care what you do over on that discussion page, but I do object to your incivility towards someone who made a good faith closure of a deletion discussion. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 01:14, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
I do not and did not blame you for being an admin. I pointed to you behaving like an admin: "Admins Arrogance" I wrote (note the capitals). I do not need to do research, I just saw your actions (you did close, you did write that, you did not digest the discussion). All described above. Simple: if yo pick up a closing, you are on the hook. You're supposed to know what you are doing.
Of course I will not revert your closure. Up to you. You expect I go and research how to do so? No way. It was your action, and it is up to you to undo it -- if you change your mind. Main cause: remember that I am frustrated that my contributions were not even read, and that an ongoing talk was being shortcut. (my advice: talk with a nearby admin to resolve this with you; I myself am too much detailed right now). -DePiep (talk) 01:33, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

Information icon There is currently a discussion at ANI regarding reason for discussion. The thread is Unfortunate early closure. Thank you.. Hope this can prevent further derailment. —DePiep (talk) 02:06, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

  • Hi Kevin, just a note that I saw this at ANI, thought re-opening it was a good idea, and since you said that was cool with you up above, I went ahead and did it. But I want to make sure it's clear I don't buy into this ridiculous "admin arrogance" claim. I re-opened in spite of those comments, not because of them. It was not an unreasonable close, and you've been gracious in your response. --Floquenbeam (talk) 02:30, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
    • No worries, as I trust your judgement in this case. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 04:24, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── On the contrary, if any admin had so disregarded process (a speedy close of a good-faith nomination based solely on head count) it'd be a much bigger issue. It's somewhat depressing that my comment about not cluelessly NACing it was seen as a challenge by someone who explicitly wants to be an admin in future, though. Chris Cunningham (user:thumperward) (talk) 09:30, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I actually really don't have an interest in becoming an administrator at this time, and I happened to miss that comment when I was reading it. We are all allowed to make mistakes on this site, but I do not agree with the above assessment that I saw that as a challenge, because that is not how I operate on Wikipedia or in life. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 19:29, 8 July 2014 (UTC)
As explained, I used the wording "admin arrogance" to point to the action that showed disinterest for the contributors. A bit later Ktr101 confirmed the arrogance part by stating "I have a right to perform a non-admin closure, as I am allowed to ignore the rules if I deem the situation to be the case". Let's assume that is so. Ktr101 says nothing about the obligation to be careful, or even read the basic stuff. Nothing. That showed in the closure, I pointed to that, and that is what I call Admin Arrogance.
I doubt if this editor knows enough about rights, because trying to lure me into a reversal of a closure is out of the pale. Also, it is a neglect of the question: if you admit then you take the consequence.
Then both you and Floquenbeam try to square the circle by reverting-but-really-there-is-no-reason. Both are saying "yes you are right, but I can't bring myself to say it". Floquenbeam reverting what he calls "not an unreasonable close" is one step (he could have noted that it was you not me who should revert, he could have mentioned the point that me going to ANI is better than me reverting). Then looking to blame me for bringing up that is was a flawed one is another example of imprecise reading. -DePiep (talk) 11:28, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi Kevin--I'm planning to use a Wikipedia assignment in my History of the American West course at BC again this fall. Gabe has gone off to Seattle, so I need to find a new campus ambassador. Do you have any suggestions? 209.6.133.47 (talk) 20:47, 11 July 2014 (UTC)

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Nomination of Naval Auxiliary Air Facility Beverly for deletion[edit]

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Nomination of Harry J. Malony United States Army Reserve Center for deletion[edit]

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Image request for WC 2014 - In the News[edit]

Germany lifts the 2014 FIFA World Cup - please bring this on instead of the Klose pic! Thanks.

Hi Kevin! I've noticed you updated the World Cup 2014 news at "In the News".

While the photo of Klose certainly made sense after the record up to the final, we have a WC winner now. I think it's time to exchange the Klose pic with a match winner photo. Would you please update the news piece with the photo I thumbnailed? Thanks a lot! Cheers and all the best, Horst-schlaemma (talk) 16:51, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

I am powerless to change anything, as I am not an administrator. Regardless, it looks as though you have started a discussion on the nomination page about this. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 18:22, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

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Massachusetts Amherst residence hall articles[edit]

Hi Ktr101, I came upon a series of articles you wrote about University of Massachusetts Amherst back in 2011. Nearly all of them seem to have little to no sources, nor claim to notability. I think merging the information and redirecting them to List of University of Massachusetts Amherst residence halls is a better solution than nominating them for deletion. Clearly, though, there is not enough content nor verifiable sources to keep most of them as standalone articles. What do you think? Thanks!--TM 10:31, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey Namiba, I just got this message, as I never saw it when you posted it before. In terms of sources, I could certainly write the school's archives and see what they could bring up, as I think many of the ones in the Southwest Residential Area could qualify as being something, since they were all the projects of a major firm. In terms of merging them though, it might create a rather unwieldy list where we have around fifty short articles existing within a larger article, so I hesitant to go that route right now. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 15:43, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
Hey Ktr101, for these residences, they are either in a merge or delete category. Clearly, sources are not available (yet?) to give them a standalone article. There many a number of residence hall lists available to use as an example for a possible merge. See List of residence halls at the University of Notre Dame for one. I don't want to nominate them all for deletion, but something must be done about them, don't you think?--TM 16:11, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
Possibly, although I will need to look at it after Wikimania, as I do not have any time to devote yet to any of this, unfortunately. There is a page on this site that would be a good place to merge into, but it's unfortunately already a split from the main school page, and would just become incredibly unwieldy. Either way, I'll look at this next week, once I get back to the states. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 02:04, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Southwest (North) Dormitory III[edit]

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The Professional Theatre Wing Decline and request to re-submit[edit]

Hello Kevin In my last communication with you re-The Professional Theatre Wing submission,you advised I could re-submit.I have been away from Home base since April and just arriving back. I made some clarifications to the Referance articles adding page #'s etc. So I have re-submitted.Hope this is the lucky one many thanks for you previous help. This is sort of a mission to Honor a Lady who I belieev made a great contribution to the NY Theatre Scene in late60's-70's(and happens to be my mother). Thank You. Philip Amara-Ret.Capt NYPD-AFS -philnypd@netzero.net. Also on Face book

Alan Turing question[edit]

What do you mean by "constructive"?

Hey 2602:306:ce48:c540:45d5:68f:72d6:9f4a, the main issue is that articles generally don't refer to persons as being "gay" in the opening line, in lieu of other language below. Since it is a Good Article though, it wouldn't be a bad idea to bring it up on the talk page in order to see what others think. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 15:43, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

urban renewal edit-a-thon[edit]

Hey,

I saw the urban renewal edit-a-thon on meetup.com and it looks really cool. I'd like to hear more about it. I wrote part of an article on Edward J. Logue (a major figure in Boston's urban planning during the 60s) but never got around to finishing it (See: User:GabrielF/sandbox). I also have a small list of needed photos from that period of Boston's history (User:GabrielF/NeededPhotos), with a focus on the busing crisis. Best, GabrielF (talk) 02:24, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Hey GabrielF, I will certainly use that list, as we are currently looking for material to write about! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 15:43, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of United States Army Reserve Center, Rio Vista for deletion[edit]

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DYK for Naval Auxiliary Air Facility Nantucket[edit]

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Thank you![edit]

Kevin, Thanks for the quick turn-around on my course rights request. Hope NE is having a lovely summer; used to live in NH and VT.

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No problem, as I am glad to help! Kevin Rutherford (talk) 15:43, 7 August 2014 (UTC)

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Template:Did you know nominations/P. T. Daly[edit]

Kevin, you never finished this review: there isn't an icon indicating the final status and completion. Please stop by as soon as possible to finish it. (I suspect it'd be the AGF tick, but you'd know for sure.) Many thanks. BlueMoonset (talk) 22:19, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

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Article Creation for Ramon Ray[edit]

Hello Kevin, and thank you for reviewing the last version of our article for a Ramon Ray Wikipedia entry (back in March). This entry has gone through many versions and has been rejected many times. This is why I am reaching out to you, hoping you can help.

From the comments listed, I identify the following issues:

  • Proving notability
  • Keeping objectivity
  • Citing more/valid sources

I was wondering if there are certain aspects of the entry that you think need to be 'scrapped.' For example, one reviewer noted that "since Ray is alive we must footnote everything in order to ensure we only have true info about him." This would imply that any early life bio information, which we don't have sources for, must go, and any listed accomplishment for which we cannot locate a specific source must go as well.

Is this correct? My main question is - do you, in your honest opinion, believe this entry to be salvageable?

I have been working on an alternative version. It is 100% objective, using listing format to document books written, articles published, speaking events, etc - each with an online secondary source. Would this work, or is such a listing format frowned upon? I can be modified to include longer paragraphs and explanations, of course.

Thank you very much for your answers. I know your last review was March, but I look forward to resubmitting again soon.

Smbguru (talk) 19:57, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

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