User talk:La comadreja

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search

This is also the page to leave messages for my other accounts, AFriedman (talk) and JacobFrank purification through transgression

Contents

Thanks![edit]

Thank you for the falafel, it was delicious :) I am hoping that we can take ipcoll into use, I would like to explore the term Israeli-occupied territory and I think that ipcoll would be ideal in hashing it out and seeing what the major points of disagreement,if any, are. I have the start of a discussion on my talk page but it is probably better to have it 'out in the open' so to speak rather than having it repeatedly. I look forwards to your thoughts on this, Unomi (talk) 14:10, 4 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Unomi, I think you're right about bringing the "occupied" issue to IPCOLL. It seems to be the right place. I'll tell you what I personally think about the term "occupied," which I suspect many people will disagree with. As I define it, occupied means that a country captured and is controlling land, but never incorporating it into their country. For example, the U.S. has occupied Iraq (Iraq is not part of the U.S. by any stretch of the imagination) and Britain occupied Palestine, India and many other places (these lands, not considered British, became subject colonies rather than equal provinces). However, expanding the borders of one's own country is not occupation--in Spain, the Reconquista conquered Moorish Spain, but I would not use the word "occupation" for what they did, nor for what the Moors did when they were the conquerors. Incorporating land into a multinational empire is also not occupation--the Roman Empire and the Ottoman Empire may have conquered Israel-Palestine against the will of many of their inhabitants, but they still considered the land part of their empire rather than a subject colony. The Holy Roman Empire, which was at times unable to control the land under its nominal jurisdiction, was also not an occupying country. Now for Israel. IMO, the Israel-Palestine conflict has developed a special vocabulary of its own. For example, places that are called "settlements" would be called "towns" or "villages" anywhere else--towns and villages can be settled by new groups of inhabitants, and the words "town" and "village" don't imply anything about their age. I think the word "occupied" may be another word that has been co-opted by some parties in the conflict, and given a new use. These groups are significant, but do not represent everyone. Nominally, the West Bank and Gaza Strip are part of Israel--Israel claims so, and is certainly the country that is asked to relinquish them in the name of peace. Until relatively recently, they were represented on the maps I used to see as being part of Israel. Nowadays, they're often drawn with some type of asterisk or something. While Wikipedia is supposed to use standard English in its articles, standard English is not free from POV pushing, and many words that relate to the conflict seem to be examples of this. Or perhaps whether land is "occupied" or not really is in the eye of the beholder? --AFriedman (talk) 16:56, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
I have opened a discussion here. While I agree that prior to the explicit rejection of the legality of acquiring land by conquest it was a fairly common occurrence, yet international law prohibits it currently and a multitude of Courts and countries have rejected that Israel constitutes a special case in this matter. As a serious encyclopaedia we should strive to reflect such consensus. Unomi (talk) 11:10, 5 April 2010 (UTC)
Unomi, where are sources for the international prohibition against acquiring land by conquest? It seems like a difficult prohibition to create, since there are so many unjust governments whose people would benefit from conquest by certain foreign powers. Furthermore, how would international law distinguish between a conqueror of unwilling foreign subjects, a country that uses its military to annex territory with the consent of the people in that territory but against the will of their government, an imperfect outcome of a war over a disputed border, and the resolution of a violent struggle against a national separatist movement? In some of these situations, acquiring land by conquest would be the just course of action. Besides, I'm not convinced that international law changes whether land would be "occupied" or not if it is conquered by another country. Mostly, I think "occupation" is defined by what area the conqueror and the conquered (but especially the conqueror because history is written by the winners), consider the land to be part of. Also, re: the historical examples I gave as well as other historical examples you can think of: where would you draw the line between occupation and non-occupation? --AFriedman (talk) 03:55, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
AFriedman. I am trying as much as possible to avoid IP topics, but I couldn't not chime in here. Israel's dilemma is more than just the legal one (which is well documented, even on Wikipedia). Israel claims the territory to itself, but it wants its people out. It's almost worse than a typical occupation. If it's not occupation then the residents of the West Bank (Judea and Samaria, whatever you want to call it) should be offered Israeli citizenship, I would think. No? Yazan (talk) 10:11, 7 April 2010 (UTC)
(ec)Please see Right of Conquest. My personal opinions are not the deciding factor, all I can tell you is that from my reading of sources the consensus opinion of the world and its courts are that Israel is occupying a number of territories and are engaging in activities that are contrary to its obligations as an occupying power.

"U.S. Policy toward the establishment of Israeli settlements in the occupied territories is unequivocal and has long been a matter of public record. We consider it to be contrary to international law and an impediment to the successful conclusion of the Middle East peace process, Article 49, paragraph 6, of the Fourth Geneva Convention is, in my judgment, and has been in judgment of each of the legal advisors of the State Department for many, many years, to be. . .that [settlements] are illegal and that [the Convention] applies to the territories.”

Secretary of State Cyrus Vance before House Committee. on Foreign Affairs[1]

78. The territories situated between the Green Line (see paragraph 72 above) and the former eastern boundary of Palestine under the Mandate were occupied by Israel in 1967 during the armed conflict between Israel and Jordan. Under customary international law, these were therefore occupied territories in which Israel had the status of occupying Power. Subsequent events in these territories, as described in paragraphs 75 to 77 above, have done nothing to alter this situation. All these territories (including East Jerusalem) remain occupied territories and Israel has continued to have the status of occupying Power.

- International Court of Justice[2]

The assertion made by the Israeli authorities that products manufactured in the occupied territories qualify for the preferential treatment granted for Israeli goods is not binding upon the customs authorities of the European Union

- European Court of Justice[3]
Kind Regards, Unomi (talk) 10:39, 7 April 2010 (UTC)

Reply to your post[edit]

Nuvola apps edu languages.svg
Hello, La comadreja. You have new messages at NickCT's talk page.
You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Thanks For the Welcome Back[edit]

Hi! Thanks for the welcome-back. I do like your nick, "purification through transgression" (why wouldn't I?), except that you've cleaned up the traditional wording ("redemption through sin") to make it politically correct and inoffensive to post-modern ears. :-)

Anyway, are you on FB? If so, friend me there as "Yakov-Leib HaKohain" and you can fill me in on what you've been up to since we last corresponded. Yalhak (talk) 17:38, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

Your Kind Assistance Requested[edit]

Dera AFriendman, I hope this finds you well. I am sorry to bother you but it appear someone is attempting to start an edit war on the "Margaret Clark" page and I would like your always gracious and objective help. Please see notes on article talk page. Thank you for all your help in the past. I have asked Seaphoto also. Sincerely, DocOfSoc (talk) 07:23, 8 May 2010 (UTC)

Just popped over to say hello and TY again for all your help during the hard times. I am finally getting true enjoyment out of editing! Shalom! DocOfSoc (talk) 10:17, 15 June 2010 (UTC)

Source[edit]

Hi! Did you introduce this to the judaism article? Can you tell me what your source is for the Jewish view that Jews today are impure? Slrubenstein | Talk 22:09, 31 May 2010 (UTC)

Improving Technical Wiki Educational Materials[edit]

Hi AFriedman,

I have recently posted some thoughts on ways that I believe we can (and MUST!) improve the technical educational materials on WikiVersity. http://en.wikiversity.org/wiki/Improving_Technical_Topics_At_Wikiversity

I heard that you may have given a short talk on similar ideas. Do you know if there is a video available of that talk? Do you have any thoughts/comments about these things? daviddoria (talk) 14:16, 17 June 2010 (UTC)

For YOU[edit]

I LOVE your new userpage! Surely you have more awards than shown tho! Yes, the SoCal cities are keeping me hopping with all the scandals and misinformation, and I just was interesting in the history LOL Oh well. Soon to be Rosh Hashana, Happy Happy to you. DocOfSoc (talk) 03:31, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

HI Sweetie, I need your expertise on the Laura Schlessinger page. Read the posts, it is self explanatory but it needs a Jewish Princess' eye ;-) It seems very clear to me, but I bow to your knowledge. I miss our chats, how ya doing busy girl? Fondly, Your Joy DocOfSoc (talk) 12:10, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Never mind, amicably settled. Interesting reading tho' ;-) DocOfSoc (talk) 13:03, 27 August 2010 (UTC)

Wiki-Conference NYC (2nd annual)[edit]

Our 2nd annual Wiki-Conference NYC has been confirmed for the weekend of August 28-29 at New York University.

There's still plenty of time to join a panel, or to propose a lightning talk or an open space session. Register for the Wiki-Conference here. And sign up here for on-wiki notification. All are invited!
This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 15:25, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia Campus Ambassador[edit]

Hi La comadreja: this is Annie Lin, the Campus Team Coordinator at the Wikimedia Foundation. Thanks for adding your name to the Wikipedia Campus Ambassador interest list! Are you currently a student, staff, or instructor at Columbia University? Or a local resident? (Just curious.) Annie Lin (Campus Team Coordinator, Wikimedia Foundation) (talk) 00:04, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi Annie, I'm about to respond in email. --La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk) 02:01, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

Official[edit]

Your user page is now officially outlandishly awesome! I know you are a student,but I didn't realize you were a professional one! :-) My Babushka would be so proud! xoxoxo Namaste...DocOfSoc (talk) 08:57, 8 September 2010 (UTC)

The Good Heart Barnstar The Good Heart Barnstar
La comadreja accept newcomers with open arms, exhibiting endless reserves of patience and kindness, and helping Wikipedia become a better place. Thank you! DocOfSoc (talk) 09:21, 8 September 2010 (UTC)
Thanks so much for the barnstar! You are very sweet. --La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk) 13:31, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

National parks of Israel[edit]

Please open the discussion about your proposed merge or remove the templates. It's not about fire and forget. YOu also might want to draw more attention to it by posting on the Israel wikiproject. --Shuki (talk) 06:54, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Seven Presidents Park[edit]

-- Cirt (talk) 18:02, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

Discussion involving your user IDs[edit]

Hi: Due to some posts you recently made at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#Shana Tova! From Jacob Frank and at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Judaism#lions, lions... under two conflicting and confusing user names, i.e.

  1. "La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH
  2. "JacobFrank purification through transgression",
  3. And several others at other locations on WP and Wikiversity.

I have been trying to unravel the obvious confusion surrounding your user names and their histories that are also connected to a blocked puppeteer. Before taking this case to WP:ANI or WP:SPI I have requested input and comments from two admins familiar with WP:JUDAISM and one with your past history. Please see the discussion at User talk:IZAK#Sockpuppetry suspicions. Please contribute and hopefully you can clarify what is going on before this matter takes a more drastic turn. Thank you for your cooperation and looking forward to your participation. Sincerely, IZAK (talk) 03:12, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

Am responding by email. --La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk) 22:13, 8 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia NYC Meetup Sat Oct 16[edit]

NYFreiheitsstatue2.jpg New York City Meetup


Next: Saturday October 16th, Jefferson Market Library in Lower Manhattan
Last: 05/22/2010
This box: view  talk  edit

In the afternoon, we will hold a session dedicated to meta:Wikimedia New York City activities, review the recent Wiki-Conference NYC 2010, plan for the next stages of projects like Wikipedia Ambassador Program and Wikipedia Academy, and hold salon-style group discussions on Wikipedia and the other Wikimedia projects (see the May meeting's minutes).

In the evening, we'll share dinner and chat at a local restaurant, and generally enjoy ourselves and kick back.

You can add or remove your name from the New York City Meetups invite list at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Invite list.

To keep up-to-date on local events, you can also join our mailing list.
This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 16:10, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Note[edit]

Hello! I undid this edit, which I assume was accidental. —David Levy 02:54, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I was actually trying to illustrate an example of "ignore all rules." If it's confusing or if you'd like the page to look more minimalist and serious, no problem. It was a fairly audacious edit on my part. --La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk) 02:59, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Okay, I thought that you'd intended to post that on a user's talk page and accidentally placed it there instead. The relevance is unclear to me, and I'm fairly certain that an addition of that nature would be rejected, but feel free to initiate a discussion on the policy's talk page. —David Levy 03:05, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

I actually copied and pasted a barnstar I had previously placed on the talk page of this article. It is not customary to use Barnstars for that purpose. However, the article is a biography, and an earlier Talk page comment had mentioned that "This article seems to use various adjectives which allows no room for anything but an extremely negative point of view. Not that he deserves any respect, but it does seem that this article takes every chance it has to deride Zevi, which may decrease its scholarly value." The purpose of my Barnstar was to present a more positive view of the person and give other editors food for thought. --La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk) 03:13, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Wikibreak[edit]

Dearest La comadreja,
I really need to stop looking at the wiki entirely...even editing just a little bit is too addictive.
So...I've asked User:Beeblebrox to block me. (He's one of the admins that blocks people by request).
Therefore...
I pledge my honor that this is my very last edit until the end of the semester.
Do you want to pledge the same?
Love, CordeliaNaismith (talk) 03:00, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Invitation to join WikiProject Bacon ![edit]

Oh won't you please consider joining WP:WikiProject Bacon? :)

Thank you for your time, -- Cirt (talk) 08:34, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Genuine Negro Jig (album)[edit]

RlevseTalk 12:04, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Margot Leverett[edit]

Ambox warning pn.svg

If this is the first article that you have created, you may want to read the guide to writing your first article.

You may want to consider using the Article Wizard to help you create articles.

A tag has been placed on Margot Leverett requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A7 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be about a person or group of people, but it does not indicate how or why the subject is important or significant: that is, why an article about that subject should be included in an encyclopedia. Under the criteria for speedy deletion, such articles may be deleted at any time. Please see the guidelines for what is generally accepted as notable, as well as our subject-specific notability guideline for biographies. You may also wish to consider using a Wizard to help you create articles – see the Article Wizard.

If you think that this notice was placed here in error, you may contest the deletion by adding {{hang on}} to the top of the page that has been nominated for deletion (just below the existing speedy deletion, or "db", tag; if no such tag exists, then the page is no longer a speedy delete candidate and adding a hang-on tag is unnecessary), coupled with adding a note on the talk page explaining your position, but be aware that once tagged for speedy deletion, if the page meets the criterion, it may be deleted without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but don't hesitate to add information to the page that would render it more in conformance with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. GILO   ACCIDENT & EMERGENCY 23:42, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Category:Frankism[edit]

Hi: I have created, added and populated Category:Frankism based on your article. Please add to the category if you find or know of any other articles that can be put into it. Sincerely, IZAK (talk) 13:14, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. You did a very good job. Can't think of any articles at the moment, but some more articles might need to be created. --La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk) 18:41, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

DYK credits for Harris Lenowitz[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 12:13, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

You are wrong[edit]

You are totally wrong about "most places except large cities have the country/district name in the title". With the exception of American and Australian settlement populated places generally are singular on wikipedia unless they have multiple places under that name which makes it necessary to dab them according to area. Please do not move articles which do not have any others under that name again like you did with Tanzania.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:41, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

I guess you're right. I'm in the U.S.A. and was mostly looking at U.S. cities for precedent. Looking over the cities, I also see Canadian cities and towns as being listed by province BTW, even ones that seem to have more unusual names like Tofield, Alberta. --La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk) 17:07, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

Israelite Worship[edit]

Thank you for chiming in on the Israelite discussion page. Please don't take this the wrong way, but it seems to me that you are very new to this subject. This is a complicated page and it has taken years for it to get to this point. It still has a long way to go. However, pursuing the path you propose I think will kill this article altogether and render it completely confusing. Before getting to specifics, I am wondering--are you intending to edit this page, or are you just making a suggestion on the talk page? Either way, I would be happy to engage you on the specifics of what you are suggesting. The beauty of Wikipedia is the collision of perspectives such as this. If you are serious about seeing your idea through and want to put the research together for it, perhaps we can figure out what page it would work best on. I don't think the Israelites page is the right one. I look forward to hearing from you. Accipio Mitis Frux (talk) 01:26, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

I'm very busy and had been thinking about sticking to the Talk page re: this issue. Most of my work in WP Judaism and WP Jewish history is on articles about the practice of Judaism from the Middle Ages onward, and especially on improving the NPOV coverage of so-called Jewish heresies. As a modern Jew, I'm interested in drawing more broadly and deeply from our history to make the case that Judaism is valuable and compelling, and some of our so-called heretics were quite colorful people with many interesting ideas. I got involved with ancient Israelite idolatry because of the problems I had with the new article Religion of Moses and Israel, now deleted. But NPOV materials on Israelite idolatry are a very interesting subject. Perhaps these materials could be spun off into their own article, for now? I don't really know where to look because this is not the topic I know the most about, but would be interested in seeing some online sources. Anyway, if a particular god is being worshiped by Israelites I'm not sure where to draw the line between calling it an "Israelite" god and calling it a foreign god worshiped by the Israelites, even if it originated elsewhere. I'm not convinced the Tanakh is a reliable, NPOV source--because it was promotional material for the YHWH-alone facet of ancient Israelite religious practice, it may have set the bar lower than most ancient Israelites for what it considered a "foreign" practice of worship. Many cultures have foreign influences but at some point, these elements are considered shared rather than borrowed. Take American cuisine and Israeli cuisine, for example. Anyway, I'm curious what you have to say. --La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk) 02:13, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
I just wanted to let you know that I'm not ignoring you, but I initially didn't see this response and now I'm just waiting for a few free moments to give a thoughtful response. Talk to you then. Accipio Mitis Frux (talk) 20:29, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Okay, I'm back. First I'd like to give you a warm hello, tell you that I love what you have set out to do, and that I am thrilled to have met you. Whatever you do, don't take any of my challenges personally, and know that I understand that we are partners in bringing down knowledge and understanding.

So anyway--between what you've written here, what's on your personal page, and what you've contributed to the Israelites' discussion page, my first reaction is--eye caramba! Wow. It seems we have very similar goals, but are coming from different hemispheres. In any case, there is a huge opportunity here, because if I can get on the same page with you, there is hope for us all.

You're probably wondering what the heck I'm talking about. From what I'm guessing, I think I'm taking an internal approach to Judaic research while you are taking an external approach. If I'm correct, this is a gap that desperately needs to be bridged. Let me give you an example. On the discussion page, you stated that "Israelite exclusivist monotheism evolved over time." To me, this sounds like a conclusion that a non-Jewish researcher would reach, all the while disregarding what is written in authentic Jewish texts over the last 2500 years. I see a lot of this going on.

This isn't what Judaism says, however. According to Judaism, monotheism started with Adam and Eve and continued with many of their descendants. The Jewish monotheistic view continues at least from the time of Abraham completely untouched, which means that Jacob's descendants, i.e. the original Israelites, had what you could call "Israelite exclusivist monotheism." It did not evolve over time. In Egypt, people that were not the blood descendants of Jacob's family did join the people, not to mention the fact that family members undoubtably took up the Egyptian religions. However, the core of Israel kept this original monotheism close and untouched, and it is what we have today.

What I've said here is backed up by at least 100,000 pages of writings stretching back 2500+ years, and is in line with the teachings of every single Jewish sage. Writing about Judaism from a "historical perspective" without consulting the source is why we have a blurry haze in regards to the public perception of Judaism. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if 90% of JEWS don't even know what Jews believe. Hopefully we can find a way out of this. Thoughts. Accipio Mitis Frux (talk) 12:29, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi Accipio. I think you make some good points. I am definitely approaching the writing of this section from a secularist angle, based on what I've read about the archaeological findings. For most ancient civilizations, that is how the history of their religion would be written in this kind of encyclopedia. However, the ancient Israelites are relatively unique in that their perspective has been continually preserved and accepted into the present day (and I am an heir to their views). What perspectives, then, should educational materials about subjects they thought about have? In my country, some states have a debate about whether creationism and intelligent design should be taught in science classes alongside evolution. I think the evidence supports the prevailing scientific views about how life and humans originated, rather than the Biblical views. In a class that is supposed to be about science, I do not think it is appropriate to teach creationism, which is not science because the arguments in favor of such a view are not based on the same set of fundamental assumptions on which science is based. Here, we have another instance in which modern scientific scholarship seems to tell a different story from the Tanakh and the inherited tradition. Since the article is about the ancient Israelite beliefs, of course the viewpoints of the modern traditions that inherited from the ancient Israelite tradition (Jewish, Samaritan, and possibly even Christian and Islamic) should be described. The findings from the archaeological scholarship about ancient Israel also belongs in the article. Because of NPOV, I think it's important to scrupulously mention which tradition says what, and why, so that the reader of the article can come to his or her own conclusions.
Back to ancient Israelite idolatry. This seems to have been quite prevalent, and was at the very least the practice of a significant minority if not the majority. A description of the religion of a country's inhabitants should not only mention the majority, prevailing view, but should account for significant minorities--and information about the majority culture's views of these minorities (up to and including whether the minorities were outlawed). For example, 16th-century Spain was a Catholic country that forbade the observance of Judaism and Islam, but a substantial number of people continued to practice these religions and the Marranos and Moriscos (crypto-Jews and crypto-Muslims) are probably worth mentioning in an article about the religion of Spain. If the readers of the article would not be expected to know about the fundamental principles of Judaism and Islam, a brief description of these religions would belong in that article as well. As with Judaism and Islam in Spain, paganism in ancient Israel seems to have been significant enough to be promoted by rulers such as Jeroboam and Ahab before the Yahweh-alone form of worship won out. I think readers would be interested in knowing what other religions were around, besides the one that survived, and how these religions were known to the ancient Israelites. We are more dependant on the archaeologists to reconstruct the pagan perspectives, so a section about paganism might give more weight to the archaeology. Just some thoughts. BTW, your username intrigues me--what does it mean? --La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk) 18:55, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Thanks for the prompt response. Let's back up a second here. For the time being, I'd like to see if we can get on the same page in terms of how Judaism and Jewish beliefs are being represented on Wikipedia and educational mediums, and then perhaps get back to the Israelites discussion. It's too much ground to cover to tackle both issues, and the deeper point I'm trying to surface needs to be addressed first. So for the time being, I'd like to concentrate on the first paragraph you've written here, and once we've reached some common ground (which may take a while) we'll tackle the second one. I hope that's okay.
In regards to your point about Creationism/Evolution, I am an American and I know all about that issue. I'd also like to mention that I come from a Reform Jewish and extremely secular academic background, and everything I am going to bring up here comes from research I've done as an independent, open-minded adult. In short, I've been down the strictly secular path before, understand the perspective, and unfortunately (or fortunately) have discovered many completely obvious things that this community has looked past. As a result, we have a chasm between secular and religious thought pertaining to Judaism.
The first and foremost thing to clarify is that Judaism is NOT Christianity. This is a mistake that virtually all secular Jews make. In America, we have outspoken right-wing Christians dominating the religious debate. However, the Christian view of "Creationism" seems to be completely different than the Jewish view of what's written in the Torah. Jews essentially believe in modern science when it does not contradict Torah. In regards to the evolutionary theories, Judaism does allow for evolution. I still have a long ways to go in understanding the relationship, but as far as I can tell, where the Torah differs from Darwinism is in regards to a common ancestor. Judaism does not believe that humans came out of the animal realm.
In any case, I understand why you can't go by religion alone, which again, Judaism is not looking for you to do. But let's at least first understand what Judaism has to say before writing about it. Taking a purely archeological perspective on Judaism without being thoroughly familiar with the Judaic texts creates a mess. It can also expose the researcher, because many people are familiar with the texts.
I'd like to get into some specific examples here, as well as some of the reasons as to why this chasm exists, although for now I do have to get going. Looking forward to hearing your response.
Also, in regards to my Wiki name--it's actually tongue-and-cheek, although I suppose it's meant to intrigue. It's a latin phrase that I came up with that rolls off the tongue, but doesn't really have any deep meaning. Accipio Mitis Frux (talk) 19:53, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi Accipio. I'm aware that there are differences between the Christian and Jewish views of creationism--but as I mentioned, Christianity also claims to be descended from the ancient Israelite religion. That claim, and its validity, is a separate discussion topic. Re: creationism, I think we agree that the mainstream religious Jewish view is not the same as the mainstream Darwinist view, even if it may also be different from the Christian perspective. BTW, some Jewish groups such as Aish HaTorah actually do join the right-wing Christians in their support for the teaching of intelligent design. I don't claim to completely understand the Jewish view of Judaism's origins, and how it may differ from the view of other religions and of archaeologists. But it is certainly worth mentioning in the article, alongside the other perspectives. --La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk) 20:18, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Frankism[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Frankism at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Pgallert (talk) 20:05, 1 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Margot Leverett[edit]

Orlady (talk) 06:03, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Frankism[edit]

-- Cirt (talk) 12:03, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Kinan Azmeh[edit]

Orlady (talk) 00:03, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

You added important info[edit]

Hi there: I was very moved to see that you added this [4] that about 550,000 Jewish Americans served in the US military during World War II (the most Jews serving in any military in the war), something that is not known by many. Only one country, the Soviet Union had a similar number, about 500,000 Jews serving in the Red Army against Hitler, that shows there was a strong fighting spirit among Jews who lived in countries that welcomed them as fighters and that Jews did not go like "lambs to the slaughter" but where they were able they fought and WON! The Jewish historian Solomon Grayzel also notes this in his A History of the Jews: From the Babylonian Exile to the Present. I was truly moved and happy by this particular edit of yours! Sincerely, IZAK (talk) 07:59, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the compliment :). Very nice work yourself, it's an important article and most of the text and images were your doing. I've nominated the article for the main page. My grandfather was a Jewish American officer in WWII, BTW, and I'm very proud of him and his service. He was eager to fight against the Axis and tried hard at every possible opportunity. Even after the war, he spent his life as a U.S. army engineer. Of course the Jews were going to resist the Axis in every way they felt they could, including the Warsaw ghetto uprising--but even groups that had more of the right resources in place could not succeed. The nation of Poland had a standing army of its own and more people in it than there were Jews in the entire world, but that did not prevent the Nazis from overwhelming the Polish resistance fighters and instituting a regime that would have killed or enslaved nearly all the Polish people in only a few more years. The real "lambs" were the people in Axis-occupied countries who allowed the atrocities to go on, and the people in other countries who tried to deal with the Axis by appeasement. Sadly, governments that commit human rights violations within their own borders are usually pretty much ignored by the rest of the world, even when they pose a threat elsewhere. --La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk) 01:26, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
You are AWESOME! I miss you! Happy Thanksgiving! xoxo DocOfSoc (talk) 01:38, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi again: Thanks for the good feedback. I wanted to let you know that I was again very impressed with this edit [5] of yours whereby you managed to notice and pick out and magnify the information on that sad Star of David tombstone from Normandy. I missed that detail, but I picked out the image because I thought it was more impressive than the previous one. The truth is Wikipedia's articles are so well researched but one has to spend time looking over them to find the right parts that will fit into this new important topic. I have just concluded adding new stuff relating to the key Jewish role in developing the Manhattan Project. There are still some more things I would like to add, but the article is now getting full, with its own category as well, and I changed it's name to fit with its mission and purpose. Your heart is in the right place with this! I sense your idealism and pride and it's encouraging me believe it or not. Take care, IZAK (talk) 09:37, 23 November 2010 (UTC) Such a beautiful article! xoxoDocOfSoc (talk) 12:22, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, both of you. --La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk) 02:01, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Happy La comadreja's Day![edit]

Featured article star.svg

La comadreja has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian,
so I've officially declared today as La comadreja's Day!
For being a great person and awesome Wikipedian,
enjoy being the star of the day, La comadreja!

Signed, Neutralhomer

A record of your Day will always be kept here.

For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, click here. Have a Great Day...NeutralhomerTalk • 05:13, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

The above was given on behalf of User:Rlevse. - NeutralhomerTalk • 05:14, 27 November 2010 (UTC)
Congratulations! A well-deserved honor! Namaste...DocOfSoc (talk) 06:13, 27 November 2010 (UTC)

Responded on Neutralhomer's page. --La comadreja formerly AFriedman RESEARCH (talk) 02:09, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Jewish American military history[edit]

Gatoclass (talk) 00:03, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Thomas Fairfax (Walton) and Thomas Fairfax (Gilling)[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Thomas Fairfax (Walton) and Thomas Fairfax (Gilling) at the Did You Know nominations page have been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Worm 15:20, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Antonio Te Maioha[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Xtreme Waste[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

NYC Meetup: Saturday, December 4[edit]

We meet outside by the trees at 5:00 PM.

Our next Wikipedia NYC Meetup is this weekend on Saturday Dec 4 at Brooklyn Museum during their awesome First Saturdays program, starting at 5 PM.

A particular highlight for the wiki crowd will be 'Seductive Subversion: Women Pop Artists, 1958–1968', and the accompanying "WikiPop" project, with specially-created Wikipedia articles on the artists displayed on iPads in the gallery.

This will be a museum touring and partying meetup, so no excuses about being a shy newbie this time. Bring a friend too!

You can add or remove your name from the New York City Meetups invite list at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Invite list.

To keep up-to-date on local events, you can also join our mailing list.
This has been an automated delivery by BrownBot (talk) 22:23, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

DYK for Jacob B. Warlow[edit]

Gatoclass (talk) 18:03, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:BusyUniversitySemester[edit]

Ambox warning pn.svgTemplate:BusyUniversitySemester has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Thank you. Bsherr (talk) 17:54, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks![edit]

You're a pretty Awesome Wikipedian too! Hope to catch up with you again at Wikipedia:Meetup/NYC/Wikipedia Day or sooner.--Pharos (talk) 03:41, 10 December 2010 (UTC)

Talkback[edit]

Nuvola apps edu languages.svg
Hello, La comadreja. You have new messages at Jayjg's talk page.
Message added 21:13, 12 December 2010 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Thank you[edit]

Very kind of you to think of granting me a special day. Its much appreciated. Happy editing. Tiamuttalk 21:04, 13 December 2010 (UTC)

Talkback[edit]

Nuvola apps edu languages.svg
Hello, La comadreja. You have new messages at Jayjg's talk page.
Message added 03:04, 14 December 2010 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Thank you[edit]

Dearest La comadreja, Thank you very much for the special day, I will treasure it :-) And congratulations to you on being an Awesome Wikipedian. Although I hesitate to say this to you because I think in general you should spend *less* time onwiki, your wiki contributions are, of course, beautiful--always kind, interesting, and (an article about a certain high school excepted), beautifully neutral. You're the kind of person who makes the wiki (and, well, the world in general) a better place, and I am so lucky to know you! I don't deserve this yet, but you actually do :-) I'm looking forward to seeing you soon. Love, CordeliaNaismith (talk) 01:30, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

I'm an awesome Wikipedian!
This user has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian and was awarded their own day.

Dearest La comadreja, Cordelia said it all so beautifully, what can I say but DITTO! You are a treasure!! Thank YOU!! Namaste...DocOfSoc (talk) 23:48, 16 December 2010 (UTC)


Thank You[edit]

I'm an awesome Wikipedian!
This user has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian and was awarded their own day.

I never thought that I could be embarrassed by receiving an award but I am. Thank you very much. (Salmon1 (talk) 15:52, 18 December 2010 (UTC))

Thanks![edit]

I'm an awesome Wikipedian!
This user has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian and was awarded their own day.

Thank you so much! I don't really know what I did to deserve this award (especially considering I haven't been online for a while - at least not actively), but thanks so much! Arctic Night 16:32, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

שלום[edit]

Thank you, you are a breeze on my heart. תודה, התנועה הזאת היא כמו רוח קלה בלב שלי.

Merci, votre geste est comme une brise du vent sur mon coeur --Geneviève (talk) 13:31, 26 December 2010 (UTC)

Shabbat Shalom. I hope you have a Shabbat with happiness, peace and serenity. אני אוהב אותך --Geneviève (talk) 17:21, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration[edit]

I belatedly saw your initiative. I recently and quite unintentionally got involved in a couple of articles within the subject area. Within a day was blocked on 1RR violation, and now effectively prevented from editing Israel and the apartheid analogy.

I am here to tell you that your initiative is a waste of time. It is virtually impossible to edit under the restrictions placed on editors in anything 'controversial' due as much to deficient low Wikipedia standards, and sheer obstructive-mindedness of others who declare their undying loyalty to Wikipedia, but would rather see crap articles stay that way than allow others to contribute over their copy.

I could be wrong, but it seems to me that under such conditions the people able to contribute in the best way are probably opting out of the very articles that need them.

In a sense, where Israeli-Palestine article area is concerned it seems to reflect what I was told about Israel. Everyone wants peace, but everyone knows someone who was damaged by someone else, so everyone is quite prepared to put a bullet in anyone's head to make sure they know what really matters. Except in Wikipedia its a different B-word, block.

I'm off to do other articles where I won't get hounded out, blocked, or told some idiot professor is a good source because someone has been paying his tenure for a couple of decades although he hasn't produced one worthwhile paper in the academic standard he would demand of me, or you for that matter.

CheersKoakhtzvigad (talk) 13:20, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thanks you are so kind. It made me happy.--Abbatai 12:08, 15 January 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Abbatai (talkcontribs)

No need for a welcome[edit]

...after joining Wikipedia:WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration, I'm getting it here User:Koakhtzvigad58.178.163.234 (talk) 03:30, 31 January 2011 (UTC)

Mail[edit]

Mail-message-new.svg
Hello, La comadreja. Please check your email – you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{YGM}} template.

 nsaum75 !Dígame¡ 07:46, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

anti-Semitism[edit]

I started a protracted thread on Noleander at AN/I - I do not recall your participating;[6] the whole case has been moved to ArbCom.[7] I regret this because I never wanted this to be a personal conflict between Noleander and myself. I did wish to get the community to discuss how to recognize and address anti-Semitic editing. I think you have made good contributions to the anti-Semitism article in the paast. If you have any suggestions about how one can recognize anti-Semitic texts - in this context, how to distinguish between adding text at WP that is about anti-Semitism, or that is simply poorly-written information about Jews, and actual anti-Semitic writing, I would really appreciate your input. I think this is an issue the community has had a lot of trouble confronting, and I find it hard sometimes to explain effectively. Also, given your interest in history, could you help out at Economic history of the Jews? This was an article Noleander originally called "Jews and money," which prompted my AN/I proposal. Anyway, the article is now at AfD but if the closing admin. reads it as a poll, it will NOT be deleted. If you want to know why I think it is a hopeless case I wrote up a critique here but the point is: I am not an econommic historian and mmy knowledge of Jewish history and the current resources i.e. current reliable and authoritative scholarship is such that I cannot begin to fix it. Thanks, Slrubenstein | Talk 13:40, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

You're invited to the New York Wiknic![edit]

You could be having this much fun! Seriously, consider coming.

This message is being sent to inform you of a Wikipedia picnic that is being held in your area next Saturday, June 25. From 1 to 8 PM or any time in between, join your fellow volunteers for a get together at Norman's Landscape (directions) in Manhattan's Central Park.

Take along your friends (newbies permitted), your family and other free culture enthusiasts! You may also want to pack a blanket, some water or perhaps even a frisbee.

If you can, share what you're bringing at the discussion page.

Also, please remember that this is the picnic that anyone can edit so bring enough food to share!

To subscribe to future events, follow the mailing list or add your username to the invitation list. BrownBot (talk) 19:11, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Perhaps of interest to you[edit]

An article that you have been involved in editing, Falafel [[8]] has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the good article reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status will be removed from the article. Veritycheck (talk) 01:24, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:The Musical in NYC Oct 22[edit]

You are invited to Wikipedia:The Musical in NYC, an editathon, Wikipedia meet-up and lectures that will be held on Saturday, October 22, 2011, at the New York Public Library for the Performing Arts (at Lincoln Center), as part of the Wikipedia Loves Libraries events being held across the USA.

All are welcome, sign up on the wiki and here!--Pharos (talk) 04:34, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

National Archives ExtravaSCANza[edit]

You are invited to the National Archives ExtravaSCANza, taking place every day next week from January 4–7, Wednesday to Saturday, in College Park, Maryland (Washington, DC metro area). Come help me cap off my stint as Wikipedian in Residence at the National Archives with one last success!

This will be a casual working event in which Wikipedians are getting together to scan interesting documents at the National Archives related to a different theme each day—currently: spaceflight, women's suffrage, Chile, and battleships—for use on Wikipedia/Wikimedia Commons. The event is being held on multiple days, and in the evenings and weekend, so that as many locals and out-of-towners from nearby regions1 as possible can come. Please join us! Dominic·t 01:24, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

1 Wikipedians from DC, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Newark, New York City, and Pittsburgh have been invited.

National Archives ExtravaSCANza.png

Happy new year[edit]

Happy new year, my best wishes of health and happiness for year 2012. Je vous offre mes meilleurs vœux de santé et de bonheur pour l'année 2012, ושל אושר לשנה 2012. --Cordialement féministe ♀ Cordially feminist Geneviève (talk) 10:01, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

You're invited to Wiki-Gangs of New York @ NYPL on April 21![edit]

Wiki-Gangs of New York: April 21 at the New York Public Library
New York Public Library Lion May 2011.JPG
Join us for an an civic edit-a-thon, Wikipedia meet-up and instructional workshop that will be held this weekend on Saturday, April 21, at the New York Public Library Main Branch.
  • Venue: Stephen A. Schwarzman Building (NYPL Main Branch), Margaret Liebman Berger Forum (Room 227).
  • Directions: Fifth Avenue at 42nd Street.
  • Time: 11 a.m. - 5 p.m. (drop-ins welcome at any time)

The event's goal will be to improve Wikipedia articles and content related to the neighborhoods and history of New York City - No special wiki knowledge is required!

Also, please RSVP!--Pharos (talk) 17:48, 16 April 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Goes to the Movies in NYC this Saturday Dec 1[edit]

You are invited to Wikipedia Goes to the Movies in NYC, an editathon, Wikipedia meet-up and workshops focused on film and the performing arts that will be held on Saturday, December 1, 2012, at the New York Public Library for the Performing Arts (at Lincoln Center), as part of the Wikipedia Loves Libraries events being held across the USA.

All are welcome, sign up on the wiki and at meetup.com!--Pharos (talk) 07:23, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Day Celebration and Mini-Conference in NYC Saturday Feb 23[edit]

Doing the "Open Space" thing at one of our earlier NYC Wiki-Conferences.

You are invited to celebrate Wikipedia Day and the 12th anniversary (!) of the founding of the site at Wikipedia Day NYC on Saturday February 23, 2013 at New York University; sign up for Wikipedia Day NYC here, or at bit.ly/wikidaynyu. Newcomers are very welcome! Bring your friends and colleagues!

We especially encourage folks to add your 5-minute lightning talks to our roster, and otherwise join in the "open space" experience!--Pharos (talk) 02:28, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia Meetup NYC this Sunday April 14[edit]

Hi La comadreja! You're invited to our next meeting for Wikipedia Meetup NYC on Sunday April 14 -this weekend- at Symposium Greek Restaurant @ 544 W 113th St (in the back room), on the Upper West Side in the Columbia University area.

Please sign up, and add your ideas to the agenda for Sunday. Thanks!

Delivered on behalf of User:Pharos, 17:42, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

NYC Wiki-Picnic: Saturday June 22[edit]

Wiknic logo.svg Great American Wiknic NYC at Prospect Park WikiNYC-picnic-ragesoss.jpg
You are invited to the Great American Wiknic NYC in Brooklyn's green and lovely Prospect Park, on this Saturday June 22! We would love to see you there, so sign up and bring something fun for the potluck :) -- User:Pharos (talk)

Wikipedia Takes Brooklyn! Saturday September 7[edit]

Brookln Public Library
Please join Wikipedia Takes Brooklyn scavenger hunt on September 7, 2013!
Everyone gather at the Brooklyn Public Library to further Wikipedia's coverage of—
photos and articles related to Brooklyn, its neighborhoods and the local landmarks.
--EdwardsBot (talk)

Wikimedia NYC Meetup! Saturday October 5[edit]

Jefferson Market Public Library
Please join the Wikimedia NYC Meetup on October 5, 2013!
Everyone gather at Jefferson Market Library to further Wikipedia's local outreach
for education, museums, libraries and planning WikiConference USA.
--Pharos (talk) 21:28, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikimedia NYC Meetup- "Greenwich Village In The 60s" Editathon! Saturday November 2[edit]

Jefferson Market Public Library
Please join Wikipedia "Greenwich Village In The 60s" Editathon on November 2, 2013!
Everyone gather at Jefferson Market Library to further Wikipedia's local outreach
for Greenwich Village articles on the history and the community.
--Pharos (talk) 21:19, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Wikimedia NYC Meetup- "Queens Open History Edit-a-Thon" at Queens Library! Friday December 6[edit]

Queens Library
Please join Queens Open History Edit-a-Thon on December 6, 2013!
Everyone gather at Queens Library to further Wikipedia's local outreach
for borough articles on the history and the communities.
Drop-ins welcome 10am-7pm!--Pharos (talk) ~~~~~

Saturday: NYC Art And Feminism Wikipedia Editathon[edit]

Jefferson Market Public Library
Please join Wikipedia "Art and Feminism Editathon" @ Eyebeam on Saturday February 1, 2014,
an event aimed at collaboratively expanding Wikipedia articles covering Art and Feminism, and the biographies of women artists!

There are also regional events that day in Brooklyn, Westchester County, and the Hudson Valley.
--Pharos (talk)

Upcoming Saturday events - March 1: Harlem History Editathon and March 8: NYU Law Editathon[edit]

Upcoming Saturday events - March 1: Harlem History Editathon and March 8: NYU Law Editathon
ArtAndFeminismNYC-Generations.jpg

You are invited to join upcoming Wikipedia "Editathons", where both experienced and new Wikipedia editors will collaboratively improve articles on a selected theme, on the following two Saturdays in March:

I hope to see you there! Pharos (talk)

(You can unsubscribe from future notifications for NYC-area events by removing your name from this list.)

MfD nomination of Portal:Judaism/Information[edit]

Portal:Judaism/Information, a page you substantially contributed to, has been nominated for deletion. Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Judaism/Information and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of Portal:Judaism/Information during the discussion but should not remove the miscellany for deletion template from the top of the page; such a removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. -- -- -- 02:46, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

Saturday June 21: Wiki Loves Pride[edit]

Upcoming Saturday event - June 21: Wiki Loves Pride NYC
Wikimedia LGBT outreach logo.svg

You are invited to join us at Jefferson Market Library for "Wiki Loves Pride", hosted by New York Public Library, Metropolitan New York Library Council, Wikimedia LGBT and Wikimedia New York City, where both experienced and new Wikipedia editors will collaboratively improve articles on this theme:

11am–4pm at Jefferson Market Library.

We hope to see you there! Pharos (talk)

(You can unsubscribe from future notifications for NYC-area events by removing your name from this list.)

Sunday July 6: WikNYC Picnic[edit]

Sunday July 6: WikNYC Picnic
Wiknic logo.svg

You are invited to join us the "picnic anyone can edit" in Central Park, as part of the Great American Wiknic celebrations being held across the USA. Remember it's a wiki-picnic, which means potluck.

1pm–8pm at southwest section of the Great Lawn, north of the Delacorte Theater.

Also, before the picnic, you can join in the Wikimedia NYC chapter's annual meeting.

11:30am-12:30pm at Yeoryia Studios, 2067 Broadway.

We hope to see you there!--Pharos (talk) 16:51, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

(You can unsubscribe from future notifications for NYC-area events by removing your name from this list.)

Sunday August 17: NYC Wiki-Salon and Skill Share[edit]

Sunday August 17: NYC Wiki-Salon and Skill Share
Statue-of-liberty tysto.jpg

You are invited to join the the Wikimedia NYC community for our upcoming wiki-salon and knowledge-sharing workshop on the Upper West Side of Manhattan.

2pm–5pm at Yeoryia Studios at Epic Security Building, 2067 Broadway (5th floor).

Afterwards at 5pm, we'll walk to a social wiki-dinner together at a neighborhood restaurant (to be decided).

We hope to see you there!--Pharos (talk) 15:57, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

(You can unsubscribe from future notifications for NYC-area events by removing your name from this list.)