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CrossFit[edit]

I've made numerous time-consuming, carefully thought out edits to CrossFit to turn it into a neutral and respectable WP article, only to have my work relentlessly discarded by CrossFit proponents. Consequently, the article has a serious weasel word infestation and it is hopelessly mired in irrelevant and, in many cases, dubious "facts" and references. This has all been mentioned on the article's talk page, but those appeals to reason have failed to sway the diehard CrossFit proponents who are not content to have a merely fact-based article; they insist that the article cast a glowing, happy light on their favorite fitness program.

In response, I created this: Balanced version of CrossFit

Please have a look and comment here if you have thoughts about it. My hope is that this draft can be fashioned into a respectable replacement for the current, unencyclopedic article. -- Lambtron (talk) 15:02, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Words[edit]

Hi. I saw your addition at Wikipedia_talk:Wikipedia_is_not_a_dictionary#Proposal, and was wondering what examples your thoughts were based on, and wondering if you had seen the list of example words that is 4 comments above your post? (including articles such as Jew (word), Meh, Negro, Thou, Orange (word), Yankee, Macedonia (terminology), etc). These are the types of articles that are under discussion, and that some editors believe should be deleted. If you had different examples in mind, that might help further the discussion. Thanks. -- Quiddity (talk) 01:43, 25 June 2010 (UTC)

Dance Technique[edit]

I will be as brief and concise as possible. My understanding of categories on Wikipedia is that they are there to group together articles with 'similar' subject matter. Sometimes the link can be very loose, but in the case of the RAD being in the dance technique category, it is not loose at all. I will certainly consider moving it to the ballet technique category, but I think you need to consider that on Wikipedia, not everyone will necessarily look at the term dance technique and apply the same definition that you do.

Moving it to ballet technique makes sense, and that is more consistent with the categories guidelines.

For example, Acro dance is an article in the dance technique category that we have both contributed to. Using an alternative perspective of the term dance technique, acro dance should not belong in that category either, because it is a category, discipline, style or genre of dance rather than a technique. It USES dance techniques, but the dance form is not in its self a technique. For example, jazz dance is a form of dance, not a dance technique, but if you look at how we create dance that fits into the category of jazz dance, Matt Mattox method, or Cunningham method, could both be considered as 'techniques' of jazz dance.

Perhaps you missed my treatise on this subject on the dance technique category talk page. I think readers would be best served if the category lists articles that are specifically about dance technique. In cases where there is no article about a specific dance technique, the category could list the article that contains the most comprehensive discussion of that technique (e.g., Acro dance); this would serve readers equally well.

Basically, when you've got an organisation like the RAD that has the research and development of dance technique and its own method of dance technique as the core element of its mandate, it's a bit odd to say it doesn't belong in the dance technique category, when the term dance technique is so broad and can encompass so many different aspects of dance.

What's odd is listing an organisation on the dance technique category page when it contains no discussion of dance technique.

In short, if you are going to go through Wikipedia articles deleting categories, first consider how other people will interpret the category title and why it was placed in that category in the first place. In this case, the reason for placing the RAD article in the dance technique category is clear, it's because it is notable for developing a notable method of ballet technique and one which is used by dance teachers all over the world. I would also apply the same thinking to other notable methods of ballet technique such as Vaganova or Checchetti or Balanchine.

I can tell you about my personal experience with this, and based on that experience I can speculate how others will interpret the category title. I visited the category to broaden my knowledge of different dance techniques. Except for RAD, all links led me to articles that discussed technique. The RAD link led me to an article that has virtually no mention of technique. It failed to broaden my knowledge of dance technique, and I was left wondering why it appeared in the dance technique category.

I hope my rambling makes sense. Crazy-dancing (talk) 23:13, 15 July 2010 (UTC)

I appreciate that you have intimate knowledge of the RAD dance technique but, unfortunately, none of that knowledge is divulged in the article. I have no doubt that you are correct when you say that there is a notable and distinct RAD dance technique, and I believe that technique deserves prominent discussion in Wikipedia. That hasn't happened, though, and until it does happen there is little justification for including RAD, the organisation, in a list of articles that discuss dance technique. When it does happen, I would hope to see RAD (dance technique) in the ballet technique category. Lambtron (talk) 13:44, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Pointe shoes[edit]

Thank you for removing the nonsense about only beginners using elastic. Though I've never worked as a dancer I've taken class for many years. Almost every New York City Ballet dancer I've ever seen in class has elastic on her shoes, and a small number of professionals wear shoes with only elastics. Thank you again. — Robert Greer (talk) 11:36, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

You're welcome! My daughter has danced for many years too, and although she has studied acro, jazz, tap, and many other genres over the years, her true love is ballet. She has focused on ballet from the beginning and has been to intensives at SAB, SFB and elsewhere (including RAD, btw). I may not be an expert but I know a thing or two about ballet, and I know nonsense when I see it. BTW, your observation that some professionals wear shoes with only elastics might make an interesting addition to the article. Best Regards, Lambtron 13:45, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

If your daughter's been to RAD, SFB and SAB intensives you certainly qualify as an expert! The wearing or not wearing of elastics is a small point but is the sort of thing that deserves mention in passing on Wikipedia. It is, alas, just the sort of thing that some ignoramus will challenge on the wrong-minded grounds that it's original research. In other words, if you can't find it with a Google search it must be original research. I don't know which is worse, the boys who vandalize pages or the adults who think they know more than they do. In some ways the former are the lesser of two evils; you just undo their edits and that's that. The latter will engage you in long discussions about the number of angels that can dance on the head of a pin. Keep up the good work! — Robert Greer 09:38, 17 August 2010 (UTC)

Theater drapes and stage curtains[edit]

Hello Lambtron,

I hope all is well with you today. I am writing to you today because I understand that you unlinked my link to the phrase "tab curtains" from the above article. I respectfully disagree with your assertion that the link directs users to a "commercial extlink--fails to contribute new facts to article". The hyperlink takes users to a blog entry with a video that gives much visual and contextual information that is not present anywhere in the main body of the above article. Additionally the link does not take you to a commercial page but instead to a blog. I would invite you to read the "Reason for Being" entry on the blog (http://blog.rosebrand.com/post/2010/01/29/Rose-Brand-Blog-First-Post.aspx) to gain a better understanding of the purpose of the blog.

I see that you are very active in the editing of the above Darpes and Curtains article. I am also assuming that you are active in many of the same subject matter that I will be contributing to. I would like to get a better awarness of what is appropriate material. I understand that all of this may be spelled out in the Wikipedia "terms & conditions" but as we are not lawyers and community edits seem to be subjective. I am much more interested in working with you then us working against each other. I look forward to your response. Thanks! (BraxtonWinston (talk) 15:23, 27 September 2010 (UTC))

I appreciate your comment about lawyers, and I, too, am interested in working in harmony with other editors. Here are a few excerpts of WP guidelines that apply to this situation:
  • WP:ELNO - Avoid links to any site that does not provide a unique resource beyond what the article would contain if it became a featured article. Avoid links to web pages that primarily exist to sell products or services, or to web pages with objectionable amounts of advertising. A general site that has information about a variety of subjects should usually not be linked to from an article on a more specific subject.
  • WP:ELNEVER - Material that violates copyrights should not be linked. This is particularly relevant when linking to sites such as YouTube, where due care should be taken to avoid linking to material that violates copyright.
  • WP:ELPOINTS - External links should not normally be used in the body of an article.
The applicable section of the linked page has only one sentence about tabs, which adds nothing to what is said in the article. That sentence, however, is dwarfed by other text such as "[w]e receive a lot of phone calls from people who are curious about Tab curtains", and "[f]or more information on different types of curtains please see the Custom Sewing section of our Web site." Furthermore, the section about tabs is but one small section on a large page about many varied topics, and that page, in turn, is liberally sprinkled with links to Rosebrand's "non blog" commercial web. Per your suggestion, I read the "Reason for Being", which begins this way: "Welcome! For those who don't know us, we're probably the largest provider of fabrics, custom sewn creations and production supplies ...". Clearly, Rosebrand's "blog" is intended to be a marketing vehicle for Rosebrand, first and foremost.
This link would be acceptable if the target page (1) focused on tabs, and (2) provided significant relevant information beyond that of the WP article, and (3) toned down the marketing plugs for Rosebrand. As for the video—which is marked with a youtube logo—why not just link to it directly? It should be noted, though, that this is not feasible if the video infringes any copyrights. Lambtron (talk) 21:03, 27 September 2010 (UTC)
Also, ELNO#11: blogs. Blogs are very rarely suitable as external links, or references. See WP:SPS for details. -- Quiddity (talk) 23:55, 29 September 2010 (UTC)

International Brotherhood of Magicians edit[edit]

Hey, man.....I don't "own" anything on Wikipedia......funny that you would post this.....I'd read an article here a few days ago about not getting one's hackles in a twist when someone edits your "pet" article. Polite of you to put something on my talk page, though. Although I don't totally concur with everything you did, I think your edits brought some needed clarity to the article. I've often found the term "listcruft" to be kinda funny, since this is a wiki....and it certainly has the space to handle a bit of crufty-ness.....and the list of IBM Rings had been called crufty by someone recently. I think a stand-alone article listing IBM Rings has merit.....but it's been deleted and merged into the Rings disamb. page. ....I don't really have the interest in waging a war about that right now. Anyway, please consider looking into Project Magic here.......it all needs a little tweaking in places. Best regards......I'll see you out there somewhere.Bddmagic (talk) 18:34, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Disambiguation[edit]

Hi. As suggested at WP:USURPTITLE, I hope you are going to pitch in and help fix the 1,500 or so articles that contain links to "Dancer", since you changed that title to redirect to the disambiguation page. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 12:22, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi, Russ. You seem to be confusing WP:USURPTITLE with changing the target of a redirect; no page move has occurred here. Technicalities aside, there are sound reasons for changing the redirect, as discussed in talk:Dancer. I do realize that there are many affected links that need to be fixed, but I would be remiss if I allowed the magnitude of that task to dissuade me from doing the right thing. Rest assured that I will help fix the affected links, and I hope other editors will pitch in and help too. My only uncertainty is this: since "dancer" (a person who dances) is best suited to dictionary definition (which is why Dancer is a redirect, right?), would it be best to change links to [[dance]]r or to wiktionary:dancer? I'm leaning toward the latter, but I would appreciate your thoughts on this. Lambtron (talk) 14:38, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Well, I never said there was anything wrong with changing the target of Dancer; but, since you've done it, the links do need to be fixed, technicalities or not. As to your question, I would lean towards [[dance]]r myself, but maybe that's due to the fact that I personally don't like Wiktionary links in most situations, especially for fairly common words like this. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 18:51, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Dance technique v method[edit]

I've noticed that once again, you are going around making widespread changes to articles about dance technique and methodology. I just wanted to point out that when teaching ballet for example, methodology and technique are very closely related, and are certainly not as easy to clarify as you seem to think. Yes, the Vaganova, Bournonville and RAD are different methods, but that are also different techniques as well. In ballet, it is not sufficient to say simply that a pirouette is just a pirouette. The pirouette is not the technique, it is HOW the the pirouette is performed that is the technique, and that technique stems from the method that they have been trained in. So, dancer trained in Vaganova method will employ a different technique for pirouettes than another trained in Cecchetti. The differences may be subtle, but they matter. If you only discuss methodology, that suggests that all ballet dancers are performing steps exactly the same way, but employing different methods to learn them, which is simply not correct. A dancer experiences in pedagogy will spot the differences between dancers who have been trained in the different techniques/methods. Crazy-dancing (talk) 01:06, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Instead of elaborating on these concepts here, would you please discuss them here so that everyone can benefit from your thoughts? Thanks! Lambtron (talk) 02:46, 7 February 2011 (UTC)

Articles on sound designers[edit]

Hi just noticing that you are right in your discussion about sound designers with dubious credentials. Looking over some of the ones on the list, the following ones seem somewhat light -- few or no quality references, articles way too long, much unsourced stuff -- Roy Harter, Walter Murch. And the Charlie Richmond article may have a possible conflict of interest since a chief contributor had the name User:Charlierichmond.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 01:22, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, it's a problem common not just in lists of people, but in other types of lists as well. Sometimes it's hard for me to judge the value of a list entry, or I'm reluctant to remove it because, although it seems frivolous, it might actually be of value to a reader. To compound this problem, some list entries are obvious COI violations by authors who will sometimes aggressively defend against their removal. I've found that a satisfactory way to "fix" articles containing such lists is to to separate the lists from the articles. Article readers are well-served by this approach because the irrelevant list entries have been removed. Authors of COI entries seem to be content because their entries are preserved in a list. And, if someone is actually seeking a legitimate, non-COI entry, they can easily find it because the list still exists (though it still might be necessary to sift through a bunch of COI entries). Lambtron (talk) 02:53, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Your de-coupling strategy of lists from articles seems sensible and smart, also as a way to avoid wiki-battling. I've pointed out problems with those specific sound designer articles on noticeboards but so far haven't got any response.--Tomwsulcer (talk) 13:23, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

G.hn[edit]

Could you also have some look on the article G.hn. As far as I can see it, the paragraph about Tangotec does not meet our rules. Thank's --Kgfleischmann (talk) 17:00, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Peer Review[edit]

Hello! I submitted the Irish Stepdance article for a Peer Review here. Could you please take a look and comment? Thanks! ReelAngelGirl Talk to me! Tea? 20:47, 6 April 2012 (UTC)

Wiki love for you![edit]

Your user page makes me smile all over, so I thought I would share that smile with you! You are incredible! Love the little films of you dancing!!!

Theatrehistory.com[edit]

Please do not continue to delete references to theatrehistory.com. First, it is not an external link governed by WP:EL, but is being used as a reference. Second, the brief conversation between two editors on WP:ELN is not sufficient to establish a consensus to mass delete. Third, the discussion should be held on WP:RSN, the reliable sources noticeboard, as the only question pertinent to theatrehistory.com is whether it should be considered reliable or not. Please do not delete any more until you have a legitimate consensus discussion that establishes that a mass deletion is necessary. Thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:05, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Ken. My edit summaries clearly state the reason as WP:ELNEVER, and the underlying contributory copyright infringement problem does apply to web citations. A cursory look at this website reveals other issues as well (e.g., unsourced content, inline and pop-up advertisements). Please don't revert any more related edits until you have taken the time to visit and evaluate the website; you might be surprised at what you find there. After you've done that, I welcome your thoughtful defense of the site as a suitable reference if you still feel it qualifies. Per your suggestion, I've started a thread about this at WP:RSN; I look forward to reading your comments there. Lambtron (talk) 16:39, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
Hello! I do not see any copyvios. All of the substantial quoted material appears to be from public domain works. Also, the site contains and extensive and useful set of full-text plays and other theatre materials, as well as a large number of what appear to be useful short articles about theatre, people in theatre and theatre works. Please do not remove these links unless you replace them with equivalent links to WP:Reliable sources. Thanks! -- Ssilvers (talk) 05:27, 15 November 2012 (UTC)
Hi Ssilvers. Hopefully by now you've taken the time to evaluate my edits. If so, you've probably discovered that many of the citations were replaced with equivalents. Unfortunately, all of the edits were reverted without explanation. Perhaps now that my intent is clear, other editors will offer support (in lieu of unexplained reversions) as we work toward this common goal. You probably also know by now that theatrehistory has several serious RS problems (aside from potential copyvio), and those problems aren't solved or mitigated in any way by the number of articles found there. If you'd like to discuss this further, please join the conversation here. Lambtron (talk) 07:01, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Training system[edit]

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The article Training system has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Does not seem to have a single well-defined usage other than the dictionary value of the two words. Not an encyclopedic topic, even if it is a section heading in one or more books.

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rfd was deleted; see the article's talk page for details. Lambtron (talk) 20:43, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Vital Articles/Expanded: we need help evaluating dancers[edit]

Lambtron, would you be available to help assess the relative historical importance/significance of several dancers? None of the present VA/E project participants have any particular experience in dance or expertise in dance topics, and I thought it would be a smart move to reach out to someone who did. Please let me know if you would be interested in helping; the time commitment would not be very great, but would involve you reading 20 or so dancer biographies, and giving us your opinion regarding the relative significance of each subject (see here.) Are you willing to help? Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 20:30, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Women in dance[edit]

Hi Lambtron. I don't think our paths have crossed before but I'm glad to see you have participated in the development of Women in ballet. I was however rather surprised to see you removed category "ballet" as not only does the article address ballet as the major area of women's contribution to dance but it has certainly been an area in which women have excelled. If "hotcat" indicated you should delete the category, then I think there must be something wrong with the bot. I would like to invite you to reconsider your decision. It would be a pity if this article was no longer accessible to those interested in accessing English Wikipedia's coverage of ballet.--Ipigott (talk) 21:23, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

Hi Ipigott. I think you mean women in dance, right? I removed category "ballet" from the article while diffusing Category:Ballet because (1) the article covers dance in general (not ballet specifically), and (2) history of ballet substantially parallels the ballet-centric parts of women in dance. That said, I do realize that women in dance has lots of ballet-related content, and I certainly wouldn't object if you put it into a relevant subcategory of ballet. I would ask, though, that it not be placed directly into the ballet category because it is a very general category and consequently should only contain subcategories, with very few exceptions. Lambtron (talk) 22:04, 21 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for your explanations. Unfortunately there are no subcategories that fit. The only solution would seem to be to create Category:History of ballet specifically for this article.--Ipigott (talk) 06:55, 22 April 2014 (UTC)
Good solution! Lambtron (talk) 12:46, 22 April 2014 (UTC)

Your Third Opinion post[edit]

Hi, just came here to tell you that your 3O post has been declined due to there being no thorough talk page discussion, more information about this can be seen on the 3O main page.

However, I also did notice that the user (whether intentionally disruptive or not) has repeatedly added an obviously irrelevant image without any explanation--not much of a normal content dispute. I was inclined to revert it myself but someone beat me to it. Fortunately, such a highly visible page obviously must be having a lot of watchers. Good day, Ugog Nizdast (talk) 17:31, 26 April 2014 (UTC)

Wilfride Piollet’s article[edit]

Hello Lambtron, I am quite a beginner on Wikipedia and helped creating the Wilfride Piollet article. I saw you removed the Ballet / Dance technique / Choreography categories I initially put. As I am working on Jean Guizerix’ page (her husband, also principal at the Paris Opera Ballet) I wanted to understand how pages are labelled under specific categories to avoid making the same mistakes again. Thank you very much, Camille. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CDesmarest (talkcontribs) 10:23, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Hi Camille, I replied on your talk page. Lambtron (talk) 13:01, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

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Wiki Loves Pride[edit]

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WikiProject Dance[edit]

Hello, I’m contacting you because you are a participant in WikiProject Dance. Myself and another editor, User:Mwacha are interested in developing some notability guidelines on WikiProject Dance for dancers, dance critics, performers, and other genre articles as there is no such thing at the moment comparable to what I have heard other editors use for Visual Arts, IE “if they are collected in a major museum, then they are considered notable.” There are of course exceptions to this standard but it is nice to have a rule of thumb to help with AfD, and other moderated discussions. We hope to start this discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dance under Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Dance#Notability Guidelines.OR drohowa (talk) 18:46, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Caster Concepts images[edit]

Hello Lambtron,

I am marketing director of the company who's images you've flagged today under "caster" and allow them to be used.

Caster Concepts allows these images to be used on Wikipedia.

Please let me know if you need any further information.

Best regards,

David Parham dparham@casterconcepts.com www.CasterConcepts.com 517-680-7938 — Preceding unsigned comment added by David G. Parham (talkcontribs) 13:43, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi David. I'm not familiar with the requirements or process but you can probably find out by joining the conversation here. BTW, marketing and promotion of companies is not allowed at Wikipedia. I don't want to discourage you because you clearly have valuable knowledge about casters, but the caster article must be written in a non-promotional way -- just the facts. If your company, Caster Concepts, is notable then perhaps you might consider writing an article about it? That would be acceptable, whereas inserting refs and mentions of it in the caster article is not. Lambtron (talk) 13:59, 27 June 2014 (UTC)