User talk:Lentower

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Sxip Shirey[edit]

Hi, thanks for your work on Sxip Shirey. I created that article a year ago and it's been underloved since, so I'm glad someone else has taken an interest! --R27182818 (talk) 14:44, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Most welcome. I may keep chipping away at it. There are some New York Times refs that can be added, chase the ones down Sxip quotes on his web sight, and see what Google News turns up. Like to get it from Stub to Start Class. Help out if you can. Lentower (talk) 23:08, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

MBTABus template[edit]

Just noticed your edits to the Porter article. I appreciate all the copyedits you've been doing, but I'm iffy on the use of the MBTABus template because it ends up generating lots of redlinks.

Some special bus routes do have links: trolleybuses, (most) key routes, and some of the geographically divided ones like the North Shore routes. But most of the generic local routes don't have pages, nor do I see them as a likelihood anytime soon. (Additionally, many of the numbers redirect correctly but confusingly to a one-line entry on the trolley service they replaced). Is it worthwhile to keep using the template to generate long-term redlinks in exchange for the valid links that are created? If so, is there a way to provide anchors on the main bus route list so that we can create redirects so nothing redlinks?

(Feel free to reply here; I'll watchlist your talk page.)

Cheers! Pi.1415926535 (talk) 21:14, 8 June 2012 (UTC)

I'll reply here, as you started the discussion here. But I would have raised the point at Talk:Porter (MBTA station) or Template talk:MBTABus. Discussions about articles or templates belong on their talk pages.
Pi.1415926535 has found the related discussion at Template talk:MBTABus. See further discussion there.
Some of the info about MBTA bus routes may be nested in articles without a REDIRECT to the bus route's section.
You may beat me on figuring out how to add anchors to List of MBTA bus routes. But does it help the reader alot? The info in that list duplicates the description in the artciles.
Like many areas of Wikipedia, it's been a while since anyone has gone through and try to give this information a consistent layout that benefits the readers. I've only looked at a few of the MBTA bus, subway, commuter rail, and other articles so far. The treatment of the bus routes has varied significantly.
I'll get rid of the redlinks for now in Porter (MBTA station). Lentower (talk) 15:42, 9 June 2012 (UTC)

Location maps in MBTA infoboxes[edit]

I've noticed you've been changing the width of locator maps in MBTA infoboxes to 400 pixels wide. Are you sure about that? Everything else in the infoboxes is generally designed for 300px wide, and 400px adds a ton of whitespace. It also makes it very difficult to use images on the left-hand column. (My screen is a fairly modern but smaller-end 1366x768, and the 400px infobox takes up almost 40% of the article width).

I reverted Back Bay for now - I'm going to be doing some major rewrites and lengthening on it soon, and it's going to need the narrower infobox to accommodate the left-hand pictures - but I wanted to get your input before I reverted any others. Pi.1415926535 (talk) 02:54, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

(Correction: an IP reverted Back Bay before I did.) Pi.1415926535 (talk) 02:55, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

I've been changing the map in Two Line Infoboxes to 370px, and the Amtrak Infoboxes to 400px. They Info boxes are displaying at a bit more than that width in the browsers I'm using, so the map have a lot of white space on the left of the map. I'll change them back, and look into it when I have time. Lentower (talk) 03:23, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, width parameters in infoboxes do weird things. Percentage widths may be a workaround, but there's some weird bugs with triggering scrollbars. I'll watchlist your talk page; let me know if/when you play around more with this. Cheers! Pi.1415926535 (talk) 03:46, 21 June 2012 (UTC)

References in columns[edit]

It's really not necessary to have references in columns, especially if there are only a few. It is much easier to read them in one column. And as the references are already separated in a section at the bottom of the article, labelled "References", and in a smaller font, the extra visual trigger of columns just isn't needed. If there are hundreds of references, then grouping them into maybe two columns might be helpful (e.g. 2012 Summer Olympics#References), but really narrow columns should be avoided if it can be helped. Interplanet Janet, Esquire IANAL 08:24, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

It's much easier to read text in narrower columns. Any good book on typographic layout cites the studies. Which is one reason they should be used here.
Multiple columns are much more distinguishing visibly than smaller type, and a section header look just like the others.
Citations are a different form of content, that most other sections, which is why additional visible distinction is good. Lentower (talk) 08:41, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

HHVM and editing tools[edit]

I noticed that some of your edits have a tag "HHVM", but following the link led to a technical in B article about a virtual machine implementation. It look like you (and other editors) are using some sort of semi-automated editing tool to improve editing efficiency. Could you tell me the name of the tool(s) you use, and possibly some pointers to a good overview and introduction to them? Thanks! Reify-tech (talk) 20:18, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

This only assist editing, by making interactions with Wikipedai faster. HHVM isin Beta. It's a server efficiency improvement: Does seem faster. I look at the Beta trials once a month or so, and try out what seems useful. Btw, Hovercards and pop-ups don't co-exist well. — Lentower (talk) 23:48, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

Multiple tags that are the same[edit]

This is strange [1]? Why two tags? Why not just fix the bar urls? Doc James (talk · contribs · email) (if I write on your page reply on mine) 02:28, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

I have found two get them fixed sooner. I prefer editors familiar with an article fix bare URLs. E.g. more likely to get a good "|quote" parameter added. — Lentower (talk) 09:51, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Arab Winter[edit]

Deletion proposal on Arab Winter is discussed. --George Ho (talk) 16:20, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

@George Ho:I already noticed. Be sure to contact all known people on both sides, or you'll be in violation of WP:Canvassing which could get your account suspended. — Lentower (talk) 16:35, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
I did contact one who opposed and another who supported. That's all. --George Ho (talk) 16:38, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
@George Ho:Balance asks for two canvass per side. I generally do not canvass individual editors. — Lentower (talk) 16:44, 2 November 2014 (UTC)
I contacted Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Arab world. --George Ho (talk) 16:46, 2 November 2014 (UTC)

Re: Small Is Beautiful[edit]

another editor deleted most of the contents of this article due to a lack of sources first noted in July 2012. Hopefully, someone will have the time to find Wikipeida quality sources to enhance the article, as well as deal with WP:NPOV and other issues.

Is there something or someone preventing you from helping? Hoping that someone will do it is a hopeless task. Viriditas (talk) 02:01, 16 November 2014 (UTC)

@Viriditas: i have limited time for Wikpedia for the next few months. What is preventing you from doing the work? — Lentower (talk) 21:39, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
My time is extremely limited. Would you like to collaborate and share the effort? If so, you can help me make a list of tasks and we can knock them off our list together. What do you say? Viriditas (talk) 03:08, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
Sadly, this article is low on my priority list. I may never find time to work on it. You might ask:
Best — Lentower (talk) 18:37, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
How odd. Your initial comment on the talk page appeared to reflect your interest in the topic. I would never, ever make that kind of comment on a talk page that I had no interest in. While I suppose we have different styles, I'm perplexed at the amount of time you spend on topics you have no interest in. Viriditas (talk) 23:31, 20 November 2014 (UTC)
Not odd to me. I have commented on Talk:Small_Is_Beautiful to:
  • document an edit, that I disagreed with but did not have further time to reverse, so that content in that edit was much more accessible to other editors.
  • provide some help to other editors who might wish to work on the article.
Lentower (talk) 18:41, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── It's become clear to me that we think differently, and this discussion you initiated is no longer useful. Let's just end it.
Best with your life on and off Wikipedia. — Lentower (talk) 18:41, 21 November 2014 (UTC)

Arab Spring Request for Mediation[edit]

@Lentower: If you'd please, head over to the Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Arab_Winter and agree to mediation. This is the last formality in keeping the Arab Winter article intact. sudopeople 21:44, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

@Sudopeople:Wikilink about this administrative process? What I can and can't say on that page? Etc. (Sad to see it come to this.) — Lentower (talk) 21:50, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation - You just need to "agree" in the Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Arab_Winter#Parties.27_agreement_to_mediation sudopeople 21:53, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
I've made the case for "us" - you can add anything that you want to be mediated. I wouldn't change my wording but there's a spot to add to what I've requested. This isn't about the user, it's about what should be done with the article. The whole idea is that we are "giving up" our fight and letting the "judge" decide. Should Cwobeel (talk · contribs) continue his behavior after this, there will definitely be sanctions. After this we can hopefully get back to normal editing of the article. sudopeople 22:02, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
@Sudopeople:I'm responsible for my actions, and need to understand them, before I act. I read enough about meditation to agree. Note I won't be logging on to Wikipedia every day for the next few months, or have a lot of time for extended participation in this. Also note that the Mediation Process generates it's own notices User_talk:Lentower#Formal_mediation_has_been_requested. — Lentower (talk) 22:26, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, it's not you even necessarily agreeing to what I've said, it's that you're agreeing to mediation on what I've outlined. It's a fairly formal process that I've never tried before. It's part of my due diligence into resolving the issue. I just want the article fixed, but this also helps build a case for preventing future destruction. Thanks for taking part in the mediation process. sudopeople 22:36, 19 November 2014 (UTC)
You're welcome. — Lentower (talk) 23:26, 19 November 2014 (UTC)

Formal mediation has been requested[edit]

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Request for mediation accepted[edit]

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Draft:Arab Winter[edit]

Mediation case is closed. Will you work on the draft? --George Ho (talk) 10:40, 19 December 2014 (UTC)

I can't. As I mentioned several times on Wikipedia:Requests_for_mediation/Arab_Winter, I don't have the time to even log into Wikipedia daily right now. Best. — Lentower (talk) 01:21, 23 December 2014 (UTC)