User talk:Lfdder

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LUL colours[edit]

The AABBCC style colours are "web-safe" colours, and can be safely disregarded in the modern environment. -mattbuck (Talk) 09:14, 28 March 2014 (UTC)

infobox lang family[edit]

hi, curious as to what glottofoot=no is to be used for. it's not supported by the doc. — kwami (talk) 19:21, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

It's for hiding the glottolog reference. — lfdder 19:28, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Yes, but why would we want to do that?
I see you had it at Graeco-Phrygian. I was debating whether we should have links like you had there on all articles, as we do for ISO, and was thinking of asking you, but IMO this is probably something we should decide for WP as a whole. We could maybe link the codes directly, as you did with Graeco-Phrygian, and then perhaps have a single Glottolog reference. The problem with the latter, though, would be that we'd no longer be able to cross-ref them individually. Maybe we could link from the info box, and keep the name but not the link in the footnote? Or have an option to suppress individual fn's when we don't need them for cross-ref'ing?
A large number of our family articles have no refs at all. So far they've mostly escaped RfD, but that can't last. The Glottolog fn was the easiest way I could think of to add refs in bulk, since we don't want to pretend Ethn. is a RS. — kwami (talk) 20:10, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
Well, it was only about having the choice, really. I wasn't gonna use the ref in-text so I had no need for it. I don't think we need to explicitly reference the code itself. We'll probably want to keep it for those in danger of being deleted -- as you say -- so automatically suppressing it (if that's actually technically possible) doesn't seem to be an option. — lfdder 23:48, 5 April 2014 (UTC)
I thought it might be more accessible if we had the link in the box, where you put it, but to still have a fn for a fuller ref. — kwami (talk) 03:09, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Should we always have the link there then and keep the param I added for when we might want to suppress the fn? — lfdder 03:13, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
What you just did looks good. You should probably add the suppression param to the doc, so people know about it. Part of the reason for this is to have at least this one ref/fn for every language and family corroborated by Glottolog. We will hopefully soon have a bot to add glottolinks to all languages with a one-to-one match between Glottolog and ISO, which is probably about 6,000. The rest the languages will need to be done by hand, but I've got 80% of the families done, and probably half of the remainder do not have equivalents to link. (I've yet to do Pama-Nyungan, where I need to update the main article, and much of Bantu.) — kwami (talk) 20:03, 6 April 2014 (UTC)
Ok, I've added it to the doc. I should probably make this change to {{Infobox language}} as well. — lfdder 20:27, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

IMO, there are two advantages to having a Glottolog ref. One, there's less cruft than at Ethnologue, where they still have remnants of Voegelin & Voegelin. (Except of course for dialects, set in italics in Glottolog, which are simply taken from MultiTree in many cases and should not be relied on. There is cruft in the inheritance of ISO languages, but hopefully that will be addressed in the next edition.) Second, there's a greater requirement for evidence, as well as a more coherent approach (a single, generally uninvolved editor), and where Glottolog judges a family to be valid, in many cases that involves peer review that the family stands up to evaluation, or at the least that it comes from a source that is judged to be credible. — kwami (talk) 21:08, 6 April 2014 (UTC)

Thing that worries me the most is that they might not keep updating it. Ethnologue's backed by SIL, but this is only a few guys from one department maintaining it. They could easily be sidetracked or overwhelmed or whatnot. — lfdder 03:22, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

April 2014[edit]

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I did not insult you if that is what you think. It's often that people converse in languages other than English on user talk pages, but I appreciate that it might've not been the right time. I said that, when translating his comments to Greek, they seem almost comical -- but that I don't think you speak Greek. It was an observation, and I didn't mean to downplay Thanatos' behaviour. Thanatos hasn't been exactly civil to me either (see Talk:Attic Greek#Recent edit war), but I didn't take offence. — lfdder 03:57, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
@Lffder: you forgot to mention explicitly how you managed to blow my mind away and other stuff; but anyway... ;-) Thanatos|talk|contributions 04:05, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Well, I admit that I should've put more effort into explaining my concern. But I think you can understand that the way you react isn't really within -- say -- the social norm and it does bother some people. We've all got to compromise here and there so we can get along better. — lfdder 04:18, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Lfdder I can't do this again; my head, my mind, my brain, still hearts, is still regrouping, healing itself... :) I'll simply remind you implicitly what you admitted to me in Greek... ;-) Thanatos|talk|contributions 04:21, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Well, I'm going to bed anyway. :P I lost track of time. — lfdder 04:28, 7 April 2014 (UTC)
Notice struck because the English rules do not apply to user talk pages. Sorry about the confusion. Elizium23 (talk) 16:59, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

ANI, April 2013[edit]

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Japanese /β/[edit]

You say one of our sources claims that /β/ is a phoneme in some Western loan words, but the article never refs that, and it seem dubious. — kwami (talk) 05:36, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

It's on pages 59 and 96 onwards. I'll leave the judgment to you. — lfdder 14:21, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
I didn't mean that you should remove it just because there's not an inline citation. I've told you where the claim's made in the book. I mean, I could add it back with a ref, but that's not really productive. — lfdder 22:38, 11 April 2014 (UTC)
Hm, can't access it. What I've heard in real life is that people who claim to have /f/ or /v/ actually have /hu/ or /bu/, so that "Visa" is written as if it were /viza/ but actually pronounced as /buiza/. At least /f/ can be approximated with the _u allophone of /h/, but there is no such remedy for /v/. There are other odd claims in that book as well, such as /r/ being epenthetic. It would be nice if we could verify with another source. — kwami (talk) 04:00, 12 April 2014 (UTC)
I've read it over, and she's not clear about the use of [β] in loans at all. I agree it's best to keep it out for now. — lfdder 02:10, 13 April 2014 (UTC)


Thanks. You know what for. I could not use the "thank" function, for that would thank you for only one of your edits. Esoglou (talk) 07:46, 11 April 2014 (UTC)


Your edits to Tin are a great improvement. It's much clearer now. I wonder whether "back" would be better than "down": "traced back to" instead of "traced down to". I realize that "traced down to" might a commonly used phrase among linguistics experts but, to me, "traced back to" makes more sense. CorinneSD (talk) 21:57, 11 April 2014 (UTC)

Makes sense, go for it. — lfdder 22:22, 11 April 2014 (UTC)


For your comment about the arb imbroglio. Sometimes it makes me doubt my own sanity. All the best, Rich Farmbrough, 21:42, 12 April 2014 (UTC).

I'd chip in at ARCA if I thought there's any reasoning with them. Backtracking on your bullshit is the gravest of sins -- much rather block someone for using find-and-replace or some such in their userspace. — lfdder 02:07, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Template:Doncaster stations‎[edit]

Why do you want to make Template:Doncaster stations‎ different from the other navboxes? See e.g. Template:Derbyshire stations; Template:Nottinghamshire railway stations; Template:Sheffield stations; Template:South Yorkshire railway stations; or Template:West Yorkshire railway stations - none of those have one of the lists centred and the other lists left-aligned. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:47, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

Well, I didn't think I was making it 'different' -- they were already different. For one, these other templates you list, though they're called 'some place stations', list lines or lines and stations (w/ the exception of South Yorkshire's). Anyway, if it bothers you, you can put it back. I'm not gonna revert a second time. — lfdder 21:59, 13 April 2014 (UTC)