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Sixty-sixth session of the United Nations General Assembly

You were given an opportunity to correct the material, and it was removed when you did not. Do not restore this material again without correction. I am not an editor on this article; this is not a content dispute. I am an uninvolved administrator taking action on a listing on the copyright problems board. You were told that content you placed in this article violates core policies: WP:NFC and WP:BLP among them. You may not misattribute quotations or place quotations in articles without providing sources immediately following them. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 10:11, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

The difference between indirect speech and direct speech

Based on your note at the talk page of this article, it is clear that you do not understand what is meant by "misattributed quotation."

Direct speech is when we literally and precisely duplicated what somebody said:

He said, "I feel fine today."

Indirect speech is when we paraphrase.

He said he felt fine today.

If we encounter the latter in a source, we can't report it as the former. We cannot write:

He said, "he felt fine today."

In fact, he didn't. That is a fair representation of what he meant, but not the words he used. We know it's a fair representation of what he meant, because he know what his quote was. We cannot always be sure that indirect speech accurately represents the words of the subject. Quotes must be accurate. When we report what somebody else has said that was indirect speech, we need to acknowledge that it is indirect speech and not put it in quotation marks, unless we are saying

According to a General Assembly report, the president said, "he felt fine today."

It is not the man we are quoting; it is the reporter.

In the case of this sentence, for example, you are mixing direct quotation and indirect quotation:

President al-Nasser said that he would propose the theme for the debate as "the role of mediation in the settlement of disputes by peaceful means," in order to enhance cooperation on one of the United Nations' founding ethos that he said also effects the UN's "existence...integrity, legitimacy, survival and effectiveness."

This is what your source says:

He said he had proposed a high-level debate be held at the opening of the sixty-sixth session under the theme of “the role of mediation in the settlement of disputes by peaceful means”, which he believed would deepen cooperation on an issue that was at the heart of the United Nations work. That issue affected the United Nations existence. Indeed, the integrity, legitimacy, survival and effectiveness of the Organization depended on Member States.

You can quote that President al-Nasser said "the role of mediation in the settlement of disputes by peaceful means" because your source indicates that this was direct speech. But you'll notice that this is the only direct speech in that passage. They are not telling you that they are using his exact words anywhere else. For that reason, you can't quote that he said "existence...integrity, legitimacy, survival and effectiveness" because we don't know that he used those words. We know that the author of your source used them to describe al-Nasser's position. We do not know that al-Nasser said those exact words himself, and we can't put them in his mouth. They could be a very close paraphrase or a very relaxed one, but in any event we have to report accurately what our sources say.

Since you are now working on this issue, I will not remove the misattributed again, but you need to go in and fix all of them immediately, or I will remove them again.

I will however, remove this quote:

Basem Elmary, a coordinator for Palestine at the UN Mansour, said that U.S. opposition and comments that the issue should involve direct negotiations with Israel and that a U.S. veto would "not be surprising" were "the blackmail to us."

This is what your source says:

Basem Elmary, coordinator of Palestinians for UN, was with Mansour here on Thursday to represent the Palestinian civil society in Palestine to campaign for the full Palestinian membership at the United Nations. He, while speaking to reporters here, described the U.S. opposition as "the blackmail to us."
"Palestine deserves to have full membership at the Untied Nations," Mansour said. "This campaign has this symbolic gesture of a chair, a set of Palestine to become a full members of the Untied nations."

So, your source talks about Elmary and then begins to quote Mansour. It quotes Mansour in the next paragraph and begins an indirect speech about Obama and an unnamed U.S. State Department spokeswoman:

U.S. President Barack Obama has reiterated the American position that the recognition of the Palestinian state should be made through peace talks with Israel. Earlier, a U.S. State Department spokeswoman said that an American veto against the vote at the Security Council should not be surprising.

Elmary's name is not mentioned again. The person who said "that an American veto against the vote at the Security Council should not be surprising" is, clearly, an unnamed U.S. State Department spokeswoman. Per WP:NFC and WP:BLP, you cannot say that Elmary said something a US State Department spokesman said. That, and anything else like it, that you have restored, I will remove. You must not misattribute quotations in this way. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 10:22, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Since I see that you have again put in quotes without citations directly after them, I will note that this also you must fix. While in a printed article, you might rely on one source at the end of a paragraph to cover multiple quotations, you cannot do that on Wikipedia because you cannot be sure that somebody will not come in later and add a new sourced statement between your quotes, causing people to become confused about where your quotation came from. You also cannot be sure that people will not remove the sentence that contains the citation, leaving the whole paragraph unsourced. Each quotation must be able to stand on its own. --Moonriddengirl (talk) 10:48, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Kiefer.Wolfowitz

Hi Lihaas. I don't know if you've noticed WP:Requests for comment/Kiefer.Wolfowitz, but things have recently taken a downhill turn, and there is now some worry that KW may retire over comments regarding your userpage and by implication you. I was wondering if you might consider reviewing the situation and commenting, especially at User talk:Kiefer.Wolfowitz. I know I, for one, would rather this wasn't how this ended. Thanks. WormTT · (talk) 19:06, 20 October 2011 (UTC) 0

Hi Lihaas,
You were smeared as a "national socialist". User:Geometry guy and I noted that you have huge numbers of contradictory user-boxes. Nonetheless, the Nazi smear has been defended at length, with reference to selected other user-boxes, whether their citation makes sense or not (e.g., Scalia/Thomas as libertarians, a position that was denounced as a heresy by the Catholic Church more than 100 years ago).
Sincerely,  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 17:14, 23 October 2011 (UTC)
Hi Lihaas! Luckily, it's not nearly as bad as Kiefer.Wolfowitz suggested. I merely observed that your userpage, at the present time, contains a statement that "This user is a National Socialist". Which, it does.
While I personally don't think that's a fantastic thing to have on one's userpage, my personal view is that editors should be permitted to make such statements on their own userpages if they so wish.
My knowledge of the teachings of the Catholic Church is far from encyclopedic, so I'll not comment on Scalia and Thomas, but I remain very aware that a self-professed expert on those teachings suggested that "Catholicism for Dummies" was a good grounding. That person has since been discredited, but it's a reminder that not all self-professed experts are best taken at face value. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:11, 23 October 2011 (UTC)

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Tunisian Constituent Assembly election, 2011

Hello Lihaas,

The statement "The second party is PDP..." has been removed and you have reverted it two or three times. My explanation was in the edit summary "PDP is obviously not second", you replied "this was discussed before! the section is BEFORE the election" I cannot see when this was discussed before. I understand your idea that the section was before the election. But now, it is after the election and keeping the view from beforehand (merely based on opinion polls, not on the last election!) does not make any sense. User:Rif Winfield has explicitly explained his edit on the talk page ([1]) Still you claim it was unexplained and accuse him/her of vandalism! You might like to be a bit more careful with accusations like this. I hope that you can accept a different view (that has been explicitly explained to you and everyone) and you will not engage in an edit war about such a trife. Kind regards and keep having fun working on our common project! --RJFF (talk) 17:21, 30 October 2011 (UTC)

work2win

I would like to ask that how can i add https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Kolkata_Hospital_Fire article in sub-section of AMRI Hospitals article--Work2win (talk) 04:39, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

EIIR Diamond Jubilee

In regards to your contesting of the sourced material in the lead of Diamond Jubilee of Elizabeth II, please see WP:BRD, which places the onus on you, once reverted, to seek a consensus in favour of your desired change. If you wish to do so, you can reinvigorate the discussion about this material that already took place at Talk:Diamond Jubilee of Elizabeth II#Victoria's Diamond Jubilee. Thanks. --Ħ MIESIANIACAL 15:57, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Your name has been mentioned

[2]. It's a shame he wouldn't let it drop - it's probably going to cause problems for you. --Elen of the Roads (talk) 17:07, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Renaming of Results of the Tunisian Constituent Assembly election, 2011

Hi Lihaas. I'd like to point out to you that all other pages of election results use the word results in plural (e.g. here, here, here, here and many others). In fact, I didn't find a single article starting with "Result of the". I understand why you made the change, but I think we should stay consistent with the other articles already here. What do you think? — ABJIKLAM (t · c) 18:55, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

engvar, really?

Really,

Taking the time to change spellings from American English to British English? Both are equally recognized/recognised on Wikipedia®. Just think that is a waste of time, when there are so many actually misspelled words and bad grammar in articles!

Just my comment from the peanut gallery! No argument intended! --UnQuébécois (talk) 01:22, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Referencing

Hi! :) Thanks for your edits to the Greek economy referendum article. However, I have noticed that you have left most of your sources as bare links, which is not the standard way of referencing sources in Wikipedia. To make clear what I mean:

  • Green tick.svg: Using Template:cite web, <ref name="Skai TV 1">{{cite web |url=http://www.skai.gr/news/politics/article/185135/eua-kaili-den-tha-parasho-psifo-ebistosunis-/ |title=Εύα Καϊλή: Δεν θα παράσχω ψήφο εμπιστοσύνης |trans_title=Eva Kaili: I will not give a vote of confidence |language=Greek |work=[[Skai TV]] |date=3 November 2011 |accessdate=8 November 2011}}</ref> which produces:
"Εύα Καϊλή: Δεν θα παράσχω ψήφο εμπιστοσύνης" [Eva Kaili: I will not give a vote of confidence]. Skai TV (in Greek). 3 November 2011. Retrieved 8 November 2011. 

Take care and thanks again for your contributions to the article :) --Philly boy92 (talk) 22:26, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Liberian elections

Hi Lihaas. I've partially reverted another edit of yours on the Liberian general election, 2011 page, but I won't revert anymore because I don't want to get into an edit war. I reverted your first edit because you added uncited and grammatically incorrect information that had already been discussed in the page and, in adding the info, you inadvertently removed all of the infoboxes by not closing out your references tag.

With regards to the second revert of your reorganization of the page, I agree that the page isn't perfectly organized at the moment. I've experimented with regrouping the results and all of the info on each election under their respective sections (for instance, putting the presidential election results under the presidential election section and the same for the legislative results), but this left much of the rest of the article's content feeling orphaned. As such, I've kept the chronological order for now. However, your reorganization completely eliminates the election results section and places the results at the beginning of the voting section under no subsection. Placing the election results before the info on the election itself seems counterintuitive and, by eliminating the results section and subsection, makes the page more difficult to navigate through the navigation box at the top.

Additionally, you added a line about the riot yesterday citing an al-Jazeera article saying that four people had died. However, government officials have said that only two people were killed, and the article you cited said that its figure was "according to witnesses at the scene." As such, I've clarified this by adding a new source. Furthermore, if you are going to cite an web article, please use the Template:Cite web format. Just putting a url within a reference tag is not the correct way to cite information and just creates more work for everyone else.

The rest of your changes were constructive and helped improve the article, and so I've left them as they are. If you can think of a way to improve the organization of the article, please discuss it on the article's talk page. I'm sure we can come to a consensus. Thanks, and cheers. —Idaltu (talk) 22:44, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Next Greek election

Could you explain your three efforts at this revert? In particular your changing of seats won in the last election to the incorrect figures? PASOK won 160 seats at the last election, not 152 - and in fact your edit left four of the five parties with the incorrect number of seats. Please be more careful as to what lines you are filling in. Number 57 09:26, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

ITNC

Get your facts straight. This comment is absolute slander. It was a different editor who moved it [3]. And if you do anymore bullshit like this stunt I'll take it as a personal attack and have you reported and hopefully banned. Hot Stop talk-contribs 16:25, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Again, I didn't mark it stale so why don't you troll him. And according to ITN Rules "A [Ready] tag should not be added by the nominator of the item" anyway Hot Stop talk-contribs 21:29, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Blocked

I've blocked you for one week. Given your past block history, as well as the fact that this has been discussed repeatedly, I feel you're not getting the point; even if you feel someone is being unfair to you, personally attacking them again and again is not the answer. Please take this time to read up on the personal attack policy. m.o.p 00:50, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

This is utter bullshit.
You and the other administrators stood by and watched Lihaas get smeared as a "national socialist" and did nothing.
 Kiefer.Wolfowitz 08:13, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Multiple problems. So, now lets focus on just one small part of a solution

Lihaas,

  • Drama has occurred
  • You've been blocked
  • And now Kiefer.W's been blocked
  • Drama is still on-going

If I was a little more courageous, I would include all those contradictory political userboxen on my userpage, except one.
Please, please remove the "This user is a National Socialist" userbox, and lets get on with building the encyclopedia.--Shirt58 (talk) 11:39, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

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Mind your own business, I deleted the comment I added because I thought it was too harsh myself

Don't nose into my edits that I retract or change.--R-41 (talk) 22:10, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

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Welcome back. But please don't turn full references into bare URLs. The edit you just made was extreme. Let me explain: The last time, it took me a lot of unnecessary and wasted time to fix it back and I saw the hours melting away. If you have some reason for getting rid of reference information, then please use the talk first. Also just because something is not accessible through the Internet does not make it dubious and the dubious template should not be used in that situation. There are plenty of references in Wikpedia that come out of old fashioned books. Sorry if I sound anxious but that last edit was breathtaking.Crtew (talk) 17:01, 26 December 2011 (UTC)

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Lihaas, You keep turning all the references into bare links. You have some good reason for doing what you're doing, but I don't understand why all the references have to be destroyed in the process. Please explain in the discussion of the article and let's talk about this rationally and figure out how we can solve the problem about what you are trying to do. Best, Crtew (talk) 05:46, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

Lihaas, I don't understand what you are trying to do. Can you please explain what kind of constructive change(s) you are making? All I'm seeing is a huge number of alterations that take away information, like the references. But what is the point?All the references now use the citation template Crtew (talk) 21:05, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

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I have repeatedly seen you edit out small fragments of what I have contributed, especially the links after an attack saying (See also [2011 Damascus bombings]]) for example. I believe these are important as readers can switch to the full article and learn more about the attacks, instead of searching for the articles on their own. I kindly ask you to refrain from deleting these in the future. --Skycycle (talk) 16:11, 7 January 2012 (UTC)

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Didn't Nightstallion give you a source? I thought that established things. Plus the previous constitutional precedent with Vieira's death and Pereira becoming acting president then as well would have made it apparent. He's been acting president during Sanhá's treatment anyway, so your argument that the post is vacant is a moot point too. It's more of a continuation of the same than a whole new issue... Therequiembellishere (talk) 18:40, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

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Uttar Pradesh State Assembly elections, 2012 has followed standardised naming which you can see by visiting Uttar Pradesh state assembly elections, 2007. Election related articles need to be informative about candidates schedules etc., which I have tried to buid in 2012 article. If you have any dispute then you may write back, instead of taking one sided view by deleting the article in which lot of effort has been put and will amount to nothing but cyber-vandalism. I hope together we can create a good article on UP electios, which will be free from any point of view and will be able to deliver information to readers, which is motto of Wikipedia. Hope you'll discuss before taking any one sided action. Truevalue (talk) 09:03, 12 January 2012 (UTC)

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Please stop removing sourced information from this list. If you want to see inline citations, I'll add them. If you have a problem with the source, say so on the talk page. Don't just remove it because you disagree with it (additionally, don't say it's "unsourced" and then change the reference to an "external link"). Also, please read WP:BRD. The content you're removing has been in the article since its creation. If you want to remove it, the onus is on you since you are making the BOLD change, no I. Nightw 08:38, 15 January 2012 (UTC)

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Here you argue with ENGVAR, while there (neither UK nor US topic) you change "organize" to "organise" in an article that also uses "emphasize". Not very consistent, is it? Regards --RJFF (talk) 11:50, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

That B.E. has to be applied at Finland topics - because it's in Europe - is not part of ENGVAR, but your own rule. There are no "strong ties" to Britain. More important is consistency within one article. Per your edit it's organise vs. emphasize now. Why not just let the whole article in American? There's nothing wrong with it. Kind regards --RJFF (talk) 18:16, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
Have you actually read WP:ENGVAR? It is very explicit. If they're no "strong ties" between the topic and an English-speaking nation, just keep the variation the first author has chosen. If the first author starts writing in American, keep it in American. --RJFF (talk) 18:33, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
I think, you understand the "strong ties" thing completely different from how I do. "Strong ties" of a topic to a nation means: the article is about a town in Britain - use BE, the article is about a person from America - use American, the article is about elections in India - use Indian English, the article is about a company from Australia - use Australian English etc. But not: "The article is about elections in Finland. Finland has strong ties to Britain, because both are in Europe - use BE" If it's a Finland, Poland, Germany, Uzbekistan, Mauritania, wherever people don't speak English, topic, it is up to the first main editor of the article. If he/she starts writing in American, all others should accept it. Kind regards --RJFF (talk) 18:49, 19 January 2012 (UTC)
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Why do you construes my edits as vandalism.--Uishaki (talk) 23:15, 21 January 2012 (UTC)

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I am trying very hard to get this incident on the main page as ITN element. It is very hard to do this when people keep removing the section I am linking to. :( Sorry I am quite frustrated by the constant removals at these articles as same content was quickly removed from Taliban article as well.

It is very bad practice to have list of attacks. I honestly do not care how many people get killed in attacks. I care more about the details. Each attack should be a detailed section or an entirely separate article.

Do we need 6 sources? Yes because each has different detail. I was hoping people who are more knowledgeable on the topic would expand using them.

-- A Certain White Cat chi? 22:34, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

Please do not talk to me in Wikipolicy-talk. As long as there is adequate amount of secondary sources, any topic can be escalated into a full article. -- A Certain White Cat chi? 22:54, 22 January 2012 (UTC)
Have you ever heard of commenting? You can comment out citation you find "excessive". We CAN have just a single section, what prompted you to think otherwise? That incident has over 500 sources reporting it and 50 more reporting it again after the release of video. Mind you this is just English sources. Had I had the time I would expand that section all the way into a full article. I do not see anyone nominating such an article where 15 people got executed up for deletion like that. Also please consider archiving your talk page. It has over 200 sections. -- A Certain White Cat chi? 23:07, 22 January 2012 (UTC)

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Who do you think you are. Don't call me sockpuppet longer. It is you who destroy the 2012 Africa Cup of Nations article.--Uishaki (talk) 18:13, 25 January 2012 (UTC)

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What are you talking about, I haven't said a thing there for so long, I have left that discussion

I am long gone from that discussion. Yes I was frustrated with it and I left, I don't know what you are angry at? That I stated as a matter of fact, from your user page available to public view, that you are a Nazi - a.k.a. National Socialist and addressed to users that you had a specific POV on the issue at hand as you state on your user page that you believe that Kosovo is naturally part of Serbia, and that you have taken strong POVs on other nationalist issues - I thought you would have taken that as a point of fact. Well sorry then. But now that that is done, I should say that I have little to nothing in common with you and I do not want to converse with you any further on the topic at that article about Kosovo or any other topic. I left that discussion, it is over, please stop posting on my talk page.--R-41 (talk) 07:51, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

R-41,
You are violating WP:NPA by speculating about another editor's politics.
You should read before writing. You don't know what the fuck you are talking about.
Replying to your smear was beneath Lihaas's dignity, quite rightly.
However, you have been notified that repeated smearing of Lihaas will result in your being blocked.
Thanks,  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 21:27, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

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??? Sorry, but i could not figure out where the "personal attacks" was.. --aad_Dira (talk) 05:04, 6 February 2012 (UTC).

On your presumptions label of biasLihaas (talk) 05:52, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Altered speedy deletion rationale: Timeline of the Azawad war

Hello Lihaas. I am just letting you know that I deleted Timeline of the Azawad war, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, under a different criterion from the one you provided, which doesn't fit the page in question. Thank you. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 13:43, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

So you are conspiring with another user against me. I removed your ridiculous accusation because I have been inactive from that page for months

I have been inactive on that page on Kosovo for months. And I pointed out that you held extreme POV views on Kosovo and other nationalist disputes - you included them in your public profile. And that you consider yourself a fascist and a National Socialist - you posted it on your user page, and people should know that you are a neo-Nazi with an axe to grind on Kosovo - you staunchly support Serbia's claim to Kosovo and hold contentious positions on multiple ethnic nationalist conflict zones in the world. This is the last post I ever want to post on your page. I do not want to be party to a conversation with someone who is a fascist, National Socialist and thus an anti-Semite.--R-41 (talk) 19:28, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

You have been notified that repeated smearing of Lihaas will result in your being blocked.  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 21:28, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
For the record where is the evidence that i take 1 side? Logical fallacy of drawing concusions is clearly indiacated.Lihaas (talk) 05:52, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

I told you not to post on my talk page anymore, I am reporting you for harassment

I told you that I do not want to speak with you on any topic. I do not want to have a conversation with you, a self-described fascist and National Socialist whom I have nothing in common with and have no desire to talk with you about anything. I happen to know Holocaust survivors and their relatives and I have sought to avoid conversation with you on that article and since because I could not carry on a conversation calmly with someone associated with fascism and National Socialism in light of the Holocaust and the horrific stories I have heard from an elderly Polish Jewish man I knew who survived Treblinka as a 12-13 year old boy who worked there as a slave labourer and saw his friend of the same age have is face and body smashed to a bloody pulp dead by Nazi guards because he was a few minutes late for a routine in the camp. I told you to cease commenting on my talk page. Now I am reporting you for harassment. Here is the report, address your case here: [4].--R-41 (talk) 19:54, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

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Interaction with R-41

Lihaas, per this thread at ANI, please don't post on R-41's talk page again. Thanks! Drmies (talk) 20:50, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

  • And please remove that National Socialist user box from your page: it's kind of an assholish thing to have on a Wikipedia user page. Drmies (talk) 20:54, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Dear Drmies,
In principal, it is inappropriate to discuss the politics of an editor who has not been POV-pushing, per WP:NPA's ban on unsubstantiated speculations about a user's politics.
That said, maybe "nationalist socialist" would meet Lihaas's goals, of challenging Eurocentric and ahistorical monosemanticism---while saving the rest of us time, and saving me from more blocks....
One can respond politely to threats of blocks and then blocks for complaining about personal attacks alleging "national socialism" or Swedish-Democrats support, particularly from administrators or their familiars, only so long..., particularly when the attacks keep going on, and the same civility policeman are too chickenshit and unprincipled to stand up for Lihaas.
Sincerely,  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 21:14, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Lihaas,
You should know that Drmies is not chickenshit or unprincipled, and has in fact notified the other dude that additional maligning of you will result in blocks.  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 21:20, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Number57 is also a good admin and i told him as much months ago.
For the records, if someone thinks im steadfastly anti-israeli or anti-zionist event then that itself should prove otherwise. Also having been there for a summer i can tell as a society it is libertarian (believe me its not friendly to govt over there, and even anti-americanism in israel should be of note) and im a libertarian. Sure i too have faced racism over there, but in Herzliya Pituach its not the same story as other places ;) (racism is not jew vs. arab. many ashkenazis will also tell you that there IS prevalent sentiment within the broader jewish community so i dont see how its a tarnishing point to mention so)Lihaas (talk) 05:41, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
*Temporarily resisting the temptation to write, "I told you so!"* :D  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 21:02, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

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Could I suggest that a tidy up is in order? I for one am very pleased about the clarification of the so called "Nazi" userbox and would be willing to help out (I've sorted out a few userpages in the past, and even if you don't want anything fancy, I think we can do something). There's no need to lose everything, and if you are willing to use subpages, collapsing templates and so on, I'm sure we can make this work. WormTT · (talk) 08:45, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
The updated box seems clearer than my lame "nationalist" suggestion. Thanks,  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 09:18, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. Can i get back to it tomorrow or the day after for sure. Im beat right now, just finishing up the Maldives update for ITN now andhead off.Lihaas (talk) 09:22, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Certainly. You know where I am. WormTT · (talk) 09:58, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Will do. But any proposals for org methods?
Im thinking to keep the essential links at the bottom, the wikilinks collection under "old" and possibly userboxes, moving "awards" to a sandbox/subpage and moving or even removing the other stuff?Lihaas (talk) 11:18, 7 February 2012 (UTC).
My gut feeling was that awards/dyk should go to a subpage, as should the large amount of text (whilst removing anything you don't need, remember it's available in history). Perhaps a third sub page for userboxen, which could then take up the whole page, rather than a long list down the right. Another option for the userboxen would be to use a method similar to KW, who has organised his and collapsed them, showing different ones depending on their relavence (currently, he has his profession showing, but say in November he had his profession and languages[5]).
Once they are on subpages, you could always transclude them back across - in a collapsed box, which would mean the page would be a lot smaller, but hold the same information. Userpages are designed to help the community get a picture of who you are, and at the moment it's a little too much to be digested! WormTT · (talk) 11:32, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Cut more than 1./2 the page...just leaving some links and the bottom essential links for editing. Wol;l sort awards/userboxes later.Lihaas (talk) 02:48, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
Well, that's a significant improvement. If you can sort the userboxen as a priory, I doubt there's anything else worth mentioning at the MfD.WormTT · (talk) 12:01, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Hardly seen eye-to-eye with you on some things at ITN at the past but this is fairly ridiculous. I've left a comment in support at the MFD. Strange Passerby (talkcont) 13:36, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

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List of traditional gentlemen's clubs in the United States

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An apology

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I just wanted to apologise for this SPI investigation - it transpires the user was a sockpuppet, but I'd made a mistake in assuming you were the puppetmaster. I'm sorry. Yunshui  15:13, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Christopher Whall

I have been working hard over the last couple of weeks to produce a worthwhile article on Christopher Whall the Stained Glass artist. I did not think it perfect by any means but have tried to follow what I understand to be the ways of wikipedia.

Your "clean-up" tag was I must say disappointing but "hey ho" that is the way with these things. Trouble is I am not sure what to do next and a few pointers as to how to improve the article would be appreciated.

At the end of the day my purpose in writing this article was to do this artist justice and the article that was on wiki when I started (I think 13th January) for somewhat sparse.

Look forward to your suggestions.

Incidentally I am not sure how to "disambiguate" "Holy Trinity Church". Would appreciate your help.

Please do not think that I am being precious. I have written a few bits and pieces now for wiki and thought that I was getting the hang of things but clearly not.

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Maybe that would increase ITN participation if we put editor's names next to items... SpencerT♦C 01:56, 23 February 2012 (UTC)