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Great Song/Great Tang/etc.[edit]

Please stop changing the dynasty names in these articles; the names were NOT "Great Song" and "Great Tang"-- rather than debate this I think it's convincing enough to go look at the corresponding articles on the Chinese wikipedia, both of which are FA's and do not use these terms anywhere. The first dynasty that did use this term was Yuan. siafu 00:39, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

  • What is the evidence?--Lmmnhn 02:53, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
You mean ASIDE from the featured articles on the Chinese wikipedia? Since the burden of proof is on you anyway, why don't you tell me what the evidence is? siafu 02:58, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%A4%A7%E5%AE%8B%E5%AE%A3%E5%92%8C%E9%81%97%E4%BA%8B 大宋宣和遺事, http://zh.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%E5%AE%8B%E9%92%A6%E5%AE%97&variant=zh-hk 中國大宋皇帝, no country would have their native name call X朝 (X dynasty). "Dynasty" is the term that is used to desribe a period by the historian.--Lmmnhn 03:12, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Perhaps you should read the articles you are citing; 大宋宣和遺事 is the name of a novel, not a dynasty. 中國大宋皇帝 means the "Great Chinese Song Emperor", though it doesn't sound so hamfisted in Chinese. Neither indicates that the dynasty was called "Great Song". siafu 03:27, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
I don't know if you speak Chinese or not, but I am a native Chinese speaker. It is the name of a novel, but there is the country name 大宋 in the title, and 中國大宋皇帝 means "Great Song Emperor of China", so they both indicates that the dynasty was called "Great Song". Even if the native name of the country is not "Great Song" or "Song", doesn't mean that it should be "The Song Dynasty"--Lmmnhn 03:36, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
If you're trying to tell me that "Dynasty" is a poor translation for 朝, that's a rather different matter, but if you're trying to say that "大宋" was the common or even formal name for the "state" that existed in China between 960 and 1279, I'm afraid I have to disagree and you'll have to provide an actual source that indicates that. And yes, I do speak Chinese, though not as well as I used to. siafu 03:57, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
If you don't mind, I think "Song" will be a compromise between "Great Song" and "The Song Dynasty", and Tang as well.--Lmmnhn 04:04, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Well, there's not just me to deal with on this one. Wikipedia:Naming conventions#Use common names indicates that the article must be named "Song Dynasty" because that's the common name. However, you weren't changing the article name, just changing the name in the infobox-- also inappropriate as it should match the article name. If you were to provide a source and convince me, the right thing to do is put a note in the intro about naming. I'm still waiting for such a source, though. siafu 04:08, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
國號大宋 http://big5.china.com.cn/book/txt/2007-07/10/content_8504110.htm, http://big5.mofcom.gov.cn/gate/big5/shuku.mofcom.gov.cn/book/htmfile/90/s54_2.htm, http://www.millionbook.net/gd/q/qiancai/syqz/001.htm, 國號大唐 http://www.hawh.cn:82/gate/big5/www.hawh.cn/Template/article/display38.jsp?mid=20041231124501, http://big5.xinhuanet.com/gate/big5/www.ha.xinhuanet.com/gfwh/2007-01/08/content_7639738.htm, http://cyberec.freethemes.com/history/T510895a.htm. --Lmmnhn 04:27, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Can you perhaps explain to me why there is no mention of 大宋 or 大唐 on [1] and [2] respectively? siafu 14:27, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
唐朝正式國號為「唐」,而非「大唐」。元朝是中國史上第一個把「大」字加入正式國號的朝代。參見明朝人朱國禎《涌幢小品》卷二「國號」條:「國號上加大字,始於胡元,我朝因之。……其言大漢、大唐、大宋者,乃臣子及外夷尊稱之詞。」 [3], it explained that Tang Dynasty's native name is "Tang" but not "Great Tang" or "The Tang Dynasty" --Lmmnhn 22:26, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
Hi guys. Seems like this discussion just kept on the side of substance rather than mudslinging. Keep up the good work both. 1.36.42.52 (talk) 06:58, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

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ROC edit:[edit]

Please explain y u moved the lingustics infobox below the country infobox... cheers Gumuhua (talk) 12:09, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

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Taiwanese elections[edit]

Please be aware that non-public elections are not included in these templates (i.e. those where the President was elected by parliament etc). Cheers, Number 57 12:50, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Is it a rule set by the author the that template? What do you mean by non-public elections and public elections? As I know the 1948 presidential elections were public elections voted by the members of the National Assembly who were directly elected by the public. In your words, does it mean that indirect election is counted as non-public election?--Lmmnhn (talk) 12:58, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
It's a rule covering the entire series of these election templates (well over 200 of them now). And yes, it does exclude indirect elections (except in cases where people are only elected to elect someone else - i.e. US presidential elections). Number 57 13:06, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
Well, I don't think the "rule" you have mentioned is fully practiced in all these templates or it makes sense to me as I see in the Elections in Hong Kong Template, where the Chief Executive is elected by only 800 members of the electoral committee. It may fulfill your requirement as the committee is "only" elected to elect the CE but however it certainly not public at all. Meanwhile, although the German Federal Convention is a special institution elected as a electoral college to "only" elect the President of the Federal Republic, which quite similar to the function of the National Assembly of the ROC, the elections are not shown in the template. I reckon that the "rule" as you are saying is very unclear and confusing. I hope a further reasonable guideline can be given.--Lmmnhn (talk) 13:27, 28 March 2011 (UTC)
In that case, I have removed the Chief Exec from the HK template. Regarding the German federal convention, its members are not publicly elected, so it does not count. Hence I think the rule is very clear as it is. Number 57 14:31, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

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District vs constituency.[edit]

Hello Lmmnhn, please do not create new pages ".... (constituency)" with exactly the same content as the ... (District) articles. Instead you should use the "move" button on top of an existing article's page to rename the page. That way the edit history is preserved which is important for the keeping the free license of the content. Regards, De728631 (talk) 19:41, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

sorry i didn't know the "move" function...--Lmmnhn (talk) 20:01, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Hello[edit]

I'm posting this message on your talk page because I noticed that you've recently created the new article Kowloon City District Council--However, I think the article seems to contain a few errors: the article currently does not contain any references. As a new article, the most important thing is to find reliable references for all existing information.Jipinghe (talk) 18:53, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Some tips for you![edit]

Hi Lmmnhn, I thought I'd drop a few notes on your talk page with some help on writing articles :o)

First of all, it may be best for you to do a bit of reading, starting with the Wikipedia manual of style, which will give you a lot of information about how Wikipedia prefers its articles to be written. It's not as hard to follow as it might look; quite a bit of the information there probably won't be vital for you at first.

Second, I recommend you make a user sandbox - which is just an area you can use to practise in, and to make notes in, and to get things ready in. If you click this red link: user:Lmmnhn/Sandbox, that will let you create that page (it gives you an edit window to start work in). Anything, anywhere, on the help and information pages which gives you an example, try it out in your sandbox until you're familiar with it.

For your article, the next thing you want to do is start collecting as much information as you can about it. Google searches (particularly in Books and Scholar) will be your best friend for this! Once you've found the information, the next most important thing is to start writing up each fact in your own words (very important, this), and make a note at the same time of exactly where that information came from. Build in the references as you go along; I'm going to copy in, down below this, a whole heap of help on doing references, which was produced by one of our best teachers (Chzz).

Here's another place that you'll find incredibly useful - citation templates which you can copy and paste into your sandbox, between <ref></ref> tags; you just fill in the blanks from your sources into the template, and you'll end up with nicely formatted inline citations :o) It all helps. Remember to add a references section to your sandbox (make a new line, and put ==References== on it, and type {{reflist}} on the next line, so that you can see how your citations look as you do them. Remember to save your page often! You don't want to lose your work.

Hopefully this will give you a good start and make life easier for you. Pesky (talkstalk!) 06:31, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

How references work[edit]

Simple references[edit]

These require two parts;

a)
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Named references[edit]

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Something to make your life easier![edit]

Hi there Lmmnhn! I've just come across one of your articles, and noticed that you had to create titles for your url links manually, or were using bare urls as references.

You might want to consider using this tool - it makes your life a whole heap easier, by filling in complete citation templates for your links. All you do is install the script on Special:MyPage/common.js, or or Special:MyPage/vector.js, then paste the bare url (without [...] brackets) between your <ref></ref> tabs, and you'll find a clickable link called Reflinks in your toolbox section of the page (probably in the left hand column). Then click that tool. It does all the rest of the work (provided that you remember to save the page! It doesn't work for everything (particularly often not for pdf documents), but for pretty much anything ending in "htm" or "html" (and with a title) it will do really, really well. Happy editing! Pesky (talkstalk!) 06:31, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

One last thing ....[edit]

We really appreciate quality over quantity - it's better to write one good, well-referenced, nicely-presented article, with a reasonable amount of information in it, than it is to create fifty unreferenced "stubs" of just one or two lines :o) I'm coming across a lot of articles of yours which would be really good if you could fill them out with more information, and include those inline citations. Pesky (talkstalk!) 07:17, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

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Some templates of yours[edit]

I see that some of your templates at Hong Kong Chief Executive election, 2012 are called by Template:Infobox election. In particular, I can't quite work out why the Template:Pro-Beijing camp/meta/shortname and Template:Pro-democracy camp/meta/shortname templates are needed. Why can't we just be able to type in 'Pan-democrat', 'Liberal' or 'Maoist' (just as an example) to achieve exactly the required rendering? --Ohconfucius ¡digame! 15:23, 24 March 2012 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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Hong Kong election[edit]

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Congratulations and thanks for putting in a shedload of work on the Legco elections. Sorry it got messy with the other editor at the end. Onanoff (talk) 07:01, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

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Rearrange Legco 2012 page[edit]

Hi, I'm just about to rearrange the sections (but not change content) on the Legco 2012 page. Speak now if you wish. Like this:

  • New arrangement
  • General outcome
  • Candidate lists and results
  • Retiring incumbents
  • Incumbents defeated (maybe merge those two incumbent sections)
  • Eligibility
  • Opinion polling - should we delete this now? It was really useful, but now seems a bit dated

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I am okay with the rearrangement, but I suggest to keep the opinion polling.--Lmmnhn (talk) 17:08, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
OK, done. I've kept the opinion polling for now. There's no rush to cut it, after all your hard work compiling it. But it will seem stale as time goes by. The tables in the early part are pushing against each other a bit. (At the end of the first results table, I removed the map and Legco president info, which seemed out of place anyway.) Onanoff (talk) 21:04, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
Soon someone needs to update the status of all the former and new Legcors on their pages. Could be me ... Onanoff (talk) 21:04, 10 September 2012 (UTC)
Well, the maps are on every LegCo election page, I think it's better to be consistent.--Lmmnhn (talk) 07:19, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

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Hong Kong legislative election, 2012[edit]

I suggest putting the results at 23/36 and 27/42 for 2008 and 2012 respectively, rather than the current 23/37 and 27/43. This is because from the voting record, it would be unfair to classify Leung Ka-lau as either pan-dem or pro-BJ. He simply doesn't belong to either. Deryck C. 14:36, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

Could you be the help with giving the voting record for reference? Besides, there have been many other articles that Leung Ka-lau being classified as Pro-Beijing camp, such as Template:Hong Kong legislative election, 2008 Template:Hong Kong legislative election, 2012, List of Legislative Council of Hong Kong members elected in 2012 and List of Legislative Council of Hong Kong members elected in 2008. You could go ahead and do the edition but it is better to be consistent. Also, it should be 23/1/36 and 17/1/42 if it is to be edited.--Lmmnhn (talk) 14:55, 20 September 2012 (UTC)

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Ways to improve Hong Kong urban council election, 1955[edit]

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Hello Lmmnhn. Thanks for creating the page on Cheung Yan-lung. I would like to speak with you further about Mr. Cheung for a book I am researching. Would you kindly drop me a message? I can be reached at info@teako170.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Teako170 (talkcontribs) 03:30, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

Great to hear somebody share the same interest too! I would love to speak with you. But why don't we talk over here? It is more convenient for me.--Lmmnhn (talk) 04:47, 20 July 2013 (UTC)

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I have changed it to 3rd. It is according to the Hong Kong legislative election, 1998 and Hong Kong legislative election, 2000. Thanks for the concern though.--Lmmnhn (talk) 21:45, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

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