(Message to Dr. Blofeld, but commenting here because I think a lot of people watch your talk page, and it's not really something they'll be interested in...mine is more private)
SURPRISE! Here's a wiki-bolt out of the blue for you. Well well well...For some reason, today I was compelled to log-in for the first time in months (I haven't even looked at my talk page in that time either), and saw that you left me a message recently. It's nice that you still think of me, heh. As is pretty obvious, I needed a complete and total wikibreak and gosh, it's been ages now, hasn't it? I think I last edited in March. That may be my longest absence ever. Part of the reason I've been thinking about "coming back" is the Julianne Moore article: it will be getting a lot of attention in the coming months (she's about 98% guaranteed to win the Best Actress Oscar in February) and I wanted it to be up-to-date...but I just looked, and actually Krimuk90 has been on the ball! That's good.
How's it been? I saw from my notifications that I've been mentioned on the Kubrick article, and that you're beginning an overhaul? And inevitably butting heads with Light Show at the same time? You're brave taking that on, ha. It's one article I've always wished could feel smoother though, so good on you.
As for whether or not I'm "back", well...I don't think I want to be properly editing right now, but I feel like I've had enough of a break to come and do some little things, and say hello again! I have such a weird relationship with this place, don't I? We'll see, we'll see...I just looked at your contributions and see that you're editing right now, so maybe I'll get a prompt reply? *cyber-wave* --Loeba (talk) 19:24, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
Hello!!! LOL, you've been away a LONG time. Light show is banned from Kubrick, I've been working on a draft at User:Dr. Blofeld/Stanley Kubrick but it's still in early research stages. I've already chopped 70kb from the original while adidng new info!! Yes Krimuk is a big fan of hers and has been updating it. I do hope she'll get an Oscar for the new one!! I've not been working much on quality with films and actors of late, more filling in stubs of some of the 20s-40s films and actors. Really missed you! So hoping you'll stay at least for Christmas!♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:13, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
- Banned? How did you manage that?! --Loeba (talk) 20:33, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
- I announced that I was resuming work on Kubrick again and Light show turned up with the usual Sellers stuff. He removed about 15kb of text I wrote the same day, as if to try to deter me. He basically brought it all on himself by reporting us for incivility at ANI and Jaguar had had enough of him and basically posted at least 10 examples of his Sellers vendetta. With 24 hours he was banned from it, a lot of people were scrutinizing his activity anyway as he had been banned from uploading images not long before it. Sad that anybody has to be banned from a topic but I did try several times to get him to work with me amicably but it was pretty much impossible to move on with him from the Sellers article.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:43, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
- Wow..that's kind of sad, since I know he's been contributing to that article for years, but it does look like he was being very difficult so he brought it on himself...It also looks like he was trying to use me to support his work on the article, whereas my contributions (3 years ago now) were entirely aimed at reducing the size of the article, and then a few months later he started added loads of stuff again (mostly quotes, and an excessive amount about his personal life and directing style - of course I think there should be sections on these things, but he took it too far). So he's definitely skewing things there. Good luck on the rewrite, that's really cool you've decided to do that. I took a look at your sandbox and I can tell already it has far more of a sense of "story" than the article's ever had. It bodes well.
- By the way, I noticed a couple of months ago that you can no longer view an article contributors? When did that happen, and was it explained why? Strikes me as a weird change, I always found that useful...
- Also, I was looking at the PSH article - I think we did a really good job there! In a way I still can't believe he's dead, it's still so sad...did you see A Most Wanted Man? It was bittersweet being able to see him in a new role, to say the least. --Loeba (talk) 22:11, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
I've mainly only read the Kubrick article and removed stuff. A good chunk is still haphazard but I think you can tell I've written early life to early career. Follow the Duncan source. hope to get going again this week.♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:30, 14 December 2014 (UTC)
You can no longer view an article contributors? Since when? Just click history. Seen any great films of late? I remember our conversation about creepy films. 10 Rillington is the best one you ever suggested, that's one of my favourite films ever now!! One I recommend which you might not have seen is The Housemaid (1960 film). ♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:45, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
- Sorry I meant "Top contributors", which used to be at the top of every article near page view stats etc. It was useful for finding out who was primarily responsible for an article's content...although I suppose it was also misleading, as many people prepare articles in sandboxes. Anywayyyyy, yeah I've seen lots of great films. The one that stands out the most is probably Les Amants du Pont-Neuf - such an amazing film to me and Leos Carax is a genius. I've been getting into Chinese films, especially Wong Kar-wai (who is one of cinemas greatest geniuses IMO). No I haven't seen The Housmaid, sounds interesting! --Loeba (talk) 17:31, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
Some of the foreign directors I've been most impressed with are Tarkovsky, Godard, Ozu and Mizoguchi who are all definitely right up there. I've been getting into Bresson lately too. Tarkovsky especially was a genius, even Nolan copied Solaris and The Mirror in Interstellar!♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:34, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
- I saw Tarkovsky's Stalker at the BFI a couple of months ago. His films were definitely made for a dark room and a massive screen, it was great. --Loeba (talk) 19:59, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
On A Most Wanted Man, definitely, great espionage film I thought and once again another brilliant performance. I loved his accent in the film! LOL I thought for a while it was Haydn Christensen in it after sleeping rough for a month or two but it was Grigoriy Dobrygin! They look so alike!♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:35, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
What did you think of Django Unchained? The first 45 minutes were brilliant, greatest ever film material but it simply got worse and worse. After Don Johnson was killed on his horse it degenerated into little more than silly "nigger" slanging match and excuse for bloodshed. Leo DiCaprio I thought ruined it and Waltz was really wasted after 45 minutes and overshadowed by Di Caprio. If it had been Waltz and Foxx all the way through in a GBU like format with mainly the two of them going through town to town with various escapades like the early ones it could have been up there with the greatest films. Overall some of the scenes make it at least a fairly good film but I am rather disappointed that it didn't pan out like the first 45 minutes and that Waltz was wasted throughout the last 2/3 of the film.♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:41, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
- I found it entertaining but it definitely gets pretty silly at times, which stops it being a great film. QT's three '90s films are among my favourites of all time, but he's gone up his own arse a bit in the 21st century, if you know what I mean! He's got way too carried away. Have you seen Interstellar yet? I was surprised by quite how many flaws there were; it's not like I was expecting a masterpiece or anything, but still...Nolan's another one in need of some restraint. --Loeba (talk) 16:58, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
Yeah that's what I mean, it got distasteful at times didn't it, I mean the "nigger" fight and skull scene and the hammer I thought was in appalling bad taste. I get that it's a satire of racism in US history but still. With some changes and a better script with some more adventurous locations and scenarios centering on mainly Waltz and Foxx without the self-indulgent silliness it could have been an all-time masterpiece. Waltz was terribly wasted in the last 2/3 mainly sitting at a plantation table twiddling his thumbs. First half hour he gave one of the best performances I've ever seen, well-worth his Oscar but still.. Tarantino's last truly great film was Jackie Brown (my personal favourite of Tarantino's) I think but I did think Inglorious was a great film, especially the early cinema memorabilia in it. Waltz again though I think was a major influence in the film, I honestly think he's one of the best actors I've ever seen. Yup I've seen Interstellar. I consider it a flawed masterpiece admittedly. Some of the natural elements at times were breathtaking I thought but I thought that the dialogue at times was a little monotonous and I'm still not convinced McConaughey was right for the role. I think it's the sort of film which has to be seen a couple of times to really appreciate. I do think that he was trying too hard to be like Tarkovsky and Kubrick though, but I guess it was a labour of love for him. It was a film I thought a lot about and pondered over hours after viewing though and that's very rare that I do that so it definitely had something special IMO about it. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:48, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
- On Tarantino and Jackie Brown, I had to check out Coffy which is on Tarantino's all time top ten list of great films. I think it tells you a lot about his mentality!! It had plenty of bad ass Grier moments and quite good but all time greatest movie? Nowhere near it! Still, I guess he could have always cited the Female Vampire as one of the greatest movies ever made!♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:05, 17 December 2014 (UTC)
BTW John Barrymore is at FAC if you're interested in viewing. I was very impressed with him in Bill of Divorcement with Hepburn on her debut! I've also raised concerns about Judy Garland on the talk page and was thinking of beginning an overhaul..♦ Dr. Blofeld 08:41, 18 December 2014 (UTC)
- I have Coffy on dvd (I actually won it in a film quiz, heh) but haven't got to it yet. I reckon QT is citing it as one of the films he loves the most, rather than saying it's the best of all time or anything. I rather like when people have quirky top 10s, with a personal touch. Barrymore is an interesting choice..! TBH I really dislike A Bill of Divorcement, but I've liked him in everything else I've seen: Grand Hotel, Dinner at Eight, Twentieth Century, True Confession, Midnight (< one of the best screwball comedies ever)...he was great at comedy. Anyway it looks like the FAC has plenty of support without little old me. --Loeba (talk) 14:39, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
His performance in Counsellor at Law is right up there too IMO! Not bad The Sea Beast either, I worked on it not long ago. Recently created Daddy (1923 film)..♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:55, 19 December 2014 (UTC)
@Dr. Blofeld: I remember you saying ages ago that it would be nice to get Hoffman on the main page for the anniversary of his death (Feb 2nd). I was just looking at the article and thinking that would be a nice tribute...do you think it could be done, or is it too short notice? IMO the content is pretty much perfect, and it would only need a bit of smoothing out and MOS perfecting, etc. I wouldn't want to do it if it would need a lot of work, but I kind of think it might be worth putting through FAC just as a "Why not, let's give it a shot" type of thing...what d'you think? --Loeba (talk) 13:01, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
I don't think it needs much either, although you'll always get awkward people. The only thing I saw is that it would be nice to have a bit more on his stage work, but we can only run with the sources we have. Sure, let's go for it! BTW saw I Know Where I'm Going! yesterday and it's one of the best British films I've ever seen, stunning to watch. More Powell and Pressburger magic!♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:45, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
- Well it's exactly 6 weeks until Feb 2nd...we may well be pushing it, but I'm glad you think it's worth giving it a shot. It doesn't hurt to try and if it doesn't pass (or doesn't pass in time), never mind! I'm trying to think what the best approach is...given the limited time, I'm thinking it may just be best for us to give it a run over and see what we can improve, and then skip PR and go straight to FAC and ask a few people to review it there? I'd be up for that as I'd quite like to keep it as simple as possible. I guess it would be good to get at least one person's opinion before hand, if there was someone able to review it in the next week...I could try asking Tim, since he always said he "owed" me a review, heh. Thoughts? As for I Know Where I'm Going, yeah it would make my top 3 P&P films, great stuff! "Magic" is definitely the word for them: even their simple films have this slightly fantastical quality. --Loeba (talk) 18:51, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, perhaps ask Tim to look at it and leave some comments on talk page and then go for a nom. Seems as it's only 6 weeks away and FAC can take a long time I think it's best we nom it as soon as we can.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:34, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
- Well I've gone through it and honestly think it's really good - on the long side, but I'm pretty sure it stays engaging. Maybe take a look and see if there's anything you want to add/remove/change. Anyway I've gone ahead and asked Tim, but my thinking is that if he doesn't have time we should just nom anyway... --Loeba (talk) 21:46, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
Hi, Loeba! Nice to meet you. I ended up on your talk page a day after your return, which is pretty funny. I actually came here to say thanks for putting together such a great article with Julianne Moore... which again, I find funny since that's supposedly why you've returned!
I'm currently working on Josh Hutcherson's article and trying to get it through its' second FAC but I've had a very hard time getting reviewers (nobody seems to have any interest in reviewing it, and those who have, have disappeared and I had to hunt down to ask for closure).
Anyways, while getting the article ready, I've heavily looked to Moore's article to help guide me, and the FAC it passed also provided a lot of help. You did a great job, and User:Dr. Blofeld's review seems particularly helpful. If either of you have any free time and would like to help me out by reviewing the article and leaving some feedback, I'd greatly appreciate it! :) You guys seem pretty knowledgeable about actor/actress bios. Gloss 19:35, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
- Hello! Oh man, I know exactly how frustrating it is to wait for reviews - especially after working hard on an article - so I don't want to leave you in the lurch, but...I kind of only wanted to come back to WP for a couple of days to check-in on articles I'd worked on and catch up with a couple of people. If you really really can't find anyone I'll try and do it, but I'm going to take the liberty of pinging User:Krimuk90, who has taken several actor articles to FA - perhaps he'd be up for a review? From scanning I'll say that it looks like a solid article, although I do notice there's very little information about The Kids Are All Right, which is one of his biggest films? And I remember reviewers saying that he had proved he was more than just a child star with that film, etc. So I'd recommend expanding that. Thanks for the compliments on Moore anyway and sorry to let you down! I hope you can appreciate why I'm reluctant; I'm just really not committed to a return to editing right now :) --Loeba (talk) 19:59, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
- Good tip. You're not letting anyone down, I totally understand! But I hope you do return to editing at some point, more actively. Looks like you produced some good work! Gloss 20:03, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
- I can't say Josh really interests me as an actor but I may look at the article later in the week.♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:40, 15 December 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks, Loeba. I'll probably review it this weekend. -- KRIMUK90 ✉ 02:10, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
- Krimuk90 - Thank you! And Dr. Blofeld - No worries, if you can, I'd appreciate it. If not, no biggie! Gloss 04:12, 16 December 2014 (UTC)
|A very happy Christmas and New Year to you!
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All the best
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- Thanks, same to you and - hi! --Loeba (talk) 21:57, 22 December 2014 (UTC)
- Welcome back. What a lovely Christmas present for the project! Cassiantotalk 00:05, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
- Heh, thanks! I really wasn't sure how much I'd want to stick around, I'm still not really, but for the time being I'm enjoying doing little edits again. Clearing my massive watchlist has helped with that - no more temptation to look at silly arguments and things I don't really care about! Merry Christmas for tomorrow --Loeba (talk) 12:14, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
You're not dumping the FAC for Hoffman all on me, don't you dare :-) Merry Christmas BTW!♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:23, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
- Haha no don't worry, I do want to try and see that through. In case you haven't seen, Tim said he'll review it some time this week. So no going back now! If there was anything about his theatre work you wanted to add, probably best to do it soonish. Happy crimbo (really should get on with wrapping those presents...) --Loeba (talk) 12:26, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
- You mean you haven't wrapped yet? Your a woman, you should have had all that done by the stroke of midnight on the 1st of December! It's only us blokes who leave it until the roast potatoes have come out of the oven on the 25th! -- Cassiantotalk 12:35, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
- Don't tell anyone, but I only started my shopping on Sunday and was still finishing at 4pm yesterday... --Loeba (talk) 12:47, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Do you really think this is better?? ♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:27, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
- I was a bit torn, but decided it was nice to have such a recent image of her; plus it meant the previous one could move down and replace the really bad one of filming Last Chance Harvey...I think it's a good picture(especially since ALL our options show her facing sideways, so that's not a negative), the only problem is the people in the foreground and background. But the graphics guys might be able to fix that? --Loeba (talk) 17:29, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
All addressed? Let's nom Hoffman for FAC tonight!!♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:15, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
- I've gone through about half of the sources checking for consistency and stuff (probably the most annoying part about going for FA! So anal!), but want a break and we've got some friends coming over soon. Are you able to finish off? Otherwise I'll try and get to it later (of ir not, on boxing day)...but yeah once that's done I'd say we're good to go. --Loeba (talk) 18:38, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
- Phew well it was a bit of a task, but I finished it off in front of the telly. --Loeba (talk) 22:44, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Loeba and Tim riley, thanks I've nommed at Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Philip Seymour Hoffman/archive1...♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:56, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
- I've just come online and seen this - nice! --Loeba (talk) 13:01, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
- Can you find anything on his paternal/maternal ancestry? I always think of him as Dutch, he looked it too. Given that it is categorized as such I think we should probably mention it.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:06, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
- Oh it was there but I removed it in my copy edit the other day. Maybe I'm letting my own bias in, but I just never find ancestry worth mentioning. If their parent(s) came from another country, then sure (and maybe if the grandparent(s) were foreign), but when you're just talking about heritage going back generations I wonder if it's necessary...I won't object to it being put back in if you want; although I just went to find a previous version, and remembered that it also had a poor source:  Either we find a better source, or we decide it's not too important and remove the categories. I don't mind - your call. --Loeba (talk) 13:14, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
- Meh the source is dodgy though. If it's like Dutch, English, Irish, German etc then probably not worth mentioning. A good percentage of Americans are something similar! BTW what's your favourite Hoffman role? I think Doubt is his best film but my personal favourite performance was Love Liza I think. Happiness and Before the Devil Knows You're Dead also rank highly I think.♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:18, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah exactly - the fact that he has four makes me think it's just a hodge-podge mixture going back a few generations, and really wasn't a part of his identity. Like you said, it's just a part of being "American"! Anyway I have to go: my dad's booked us a family trip to see Exodus, the new Ridley Scott film, which I'm actually very wary of (and it's nearly three bloody hours long)...hopefully it's okay, eek. Edit conflict: My favourite of his roles are Boogie Nights, The Master and Happiness. He was literally never bad though. --Loeba (talk) 13:26, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
I loved him in Boogie Nights but sadly he didn't get a great deal of screen time. That car scene though when he hits on Walhberg goes down as one of the all time cringeworthy moments!! Capote might have been the most brilliant with the voice and mannerisms but the film itself wasn't brilliant. Yeah Love Liza I think might just be my favourite, tough call. It might be something to do with the vulnerability of his character and substance abuse which struck a chord with the real PSH. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 13:29, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
I'm expecting at some point for a biography on Hoffman to be published which might be used to further improve the biographical coverage. We can only go with what we have currently though.♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:19, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
- His role in Boogie Nights is small but I just find him so memorable in it....and I'm sure the simple fact that I LOVE the film, one of my absolute all-time favourites, helps. I guess realistically I'm just listing my three favourite films of his, heh, since his performances are always brilliant (that's what I should've said before, "never bad" was an understatement). I suppose objectively speaking, The Master and Capote are his most impressive. He is excellent in Love Liza as well though - he really induces sympathy in that role, a quietly tragic film. Exodus wasn't too bad in the end! --Loeba (talk) 19:38, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
Lobes, if you have time over the next few days can you review Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Shah Rukh Khan/archive1. He's a huge movie star in Asia and Indian diaspora but not many people in US and UK really know him that well. It needs a few pairs of western eyes to review for neutrality and clarity. I made some major changes to it and I think it's at least close now, but still needs that bit more which will get it there from some decent reviewers I think.♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:08, 26 December 2014 (UTC)
Mmm "hero worship".. Pleasant. Problem is he was acclaimed for probably something like 30 films. Perhaps saying acclaimed thirteen times is too much but do we hide the truth purely for neutrality purposes? And I'm pretty sure most actors who knew Hoffman reading the article would find it accurate. We don't want it to read as a tribute or puff piece though? What do we remove without affecting quality and accuracy? Can you find any negative reviews about him, I couldn't. Believe me I tried all sorts of key words to try to pick up something!!♦ Dr. Blofeld 15:20, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
- Looks like you've done a good job, cheers. To be honest it annoys me a bit that it was even necessary, since all the acclaim mentioned was accurate and covered by a source, but that's wikipedia for you. I call it "peacock paranoia". The Encyclopedia Britannica has no qualms about explicitly reporting someone's popularity/success, so I'll never understand why WP does...oh well. --Loeba (talk) 18:08, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Agreed. There were a few quotes perhaps which weren't of essential use and a couple of negative reviews worth quoting but generally I really think we'd be affecting the accuracy of it if we start introducing negative quotes for highly acclaimed roles just for the sake of it. Then it would be "bad egg" picking! I'm really reluctant to change much else. I didn't really want to remove mention of the cult classic for Lebowski, I did so only because we said that for Booge Nights and didn't want it to seem repetitive. To not say Capote or The Master was highly acclaimed or whatever would just be a lie. The majority of critics praised it, and it's not as if we don't mention the Oscar bait thing for Capote which I think was most of the negativity about it. I might still try to look into his stage work a bit more though, I have access to newspapers.com now not highbeam. I may try to see if it picks anything up. I really did ransack google books and highbeam at the time though, and I'm pretty sure it's generally accurate and a fair reflection of what is said in sources. I do think it would be nice to have more biographical information, and I hope at some point there is a biogaphy to further improve it, but you can only go with the material you have at the time, and it's more than well researched in that respect.
BTW did you see the top 50 list? Hehe, John Wayne and Gregory Peck better actors than P.S. Hoffman or Edward G Robinson, Henry Fonda better than Brando and De Niro etc... I'm pretty sure most working actors would scoff at some of the ordering on the list! It rather reminds me of the Rolling Stone greatest guitarist list, Keith Richards in top 5, yet no Paco de Lucia or Barney Kessel in top 100!! Anyway I'm off now, I may very well catch Les Amants du Pont-Neuf this evening :-)♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:18, 27 December 2014 (UTC)