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Thanks for the warning, I understand. I will fix it. Thank you again.--LuzoGraal (talk) 15:41, 25 December 2011 (UTC)

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ADDING UNSOURCED MATERIAL[edit]

The material you have just added to the Portuguese Angola page is almost entirely unsourced Portuguese imperialist propaganda. There is a talk page and it would be helpful if you tried to address the issues there rather than simply adding unsourced biased material. Don't simply reverse other editors work if the article is controversial. Address the contentious issues properly.

About your unsourced material, the subject and your own: False, Mr. or Mr. Ackees. I only restored the Article to the last edits before your last interventions - and after your unsourced "hatred" phrases and sentences not properly encyclopedic and of personal or "original" character. So it is impossible for you to speak of propaganda. The issues and edits were not mine, but from the previous Authors. And knowing the history, we have not seen inaccuracies, especially in the colonial war etc.. --LuzoGraal (talk) 17:22, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

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Ackees (talk) 20:28, 28 April 2012 (UTC)

Mr. Luzo Graal, don't let Mr. Ackees disturb you too much- he has a history of inputting biased, libelous information across a number of articles on Wikipedia. He posted the above message on your talk page to make it seem like he was an "official" of Wikipedia, but in fact, he has just been blocked for a period of 72 hours. Cheers. ElliotJoyce (talk) 21:59, 29 April 2012 (UTC)
Mr. ElliotJoyce, I was a bit away from wikipedia in the last times and I am sorry because I liked to have answered and thanked your words and your intervention earlier. I still have some inexperience on wikipedia (not contributing much yet) and I try to do one more job control of vandalism, with some based contributions (but editing in large way it will be more in the future, with more experience, and if time permits). One of my gesture is to thank the good work of the authors - your work - removing vandalism (if it is clear vandalism or bias obviously, also unfounded, without sources). I was stunned when the editor or user Ackees with his agenda (whatever that is), the only one to do it, questioned my account and good name and I have in Wikipedia. Ackees can not do it, either for his bigotry and/or "agenda" or not. I want to thank you dear ElliotJoyce. --LuzoGraal (talk) 13:58, 22 July 2012 (UTC)
I want to make sure that you understand that anyone can put a 3RR warning on an editor's talk page, and the warning was correct - if you'd reverted again quickly you could have been blocked. It doesn't matter who was right, there are few exceptions for WP:3RR. What you probably don't know is that by the time you replied above, ElliotJoyce had been blocked 5 times, the last one an indefinite block for using multiple accounts, what we call sockpuppeting. Dougweller (talk) 13:38, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

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Portuguese Renaissance[edit]

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I cannot thank you more for your words of encouragement on my talk page. I am ever so pleased to hear that you enjoyed the article, my true intent was to make it knowledgable and enjoyable at the same time. As per your suggestions, you are correct I have missed some key figures and pieces, and I thank you for pointing that out. Be assured that your suggestions will be added to the article, and remember that should you like, you can add material too, that's the beauty of Wikipedia. I will add your suggestions later today or tomorrow, and I thank you for pointing out the holes that I missed. If you ever need anything here on Wikipedia, let me know, I would love to help. Thank you, Cristiano Tomás (talk) 23:50, 6 January 2013 (UTC)

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Problems with Maritime history and other articles[edit]

Hi LuzoGraal. Thank you for your extensive additions to Maritime history. However I have reverted them, for three reasons.

  • Firstly, because nearly all your additions relate to Portugal only. Maritime history is supposed to be written from a global point of view. As the title suggests, it is intended to be a summary or overview which puts into perspective the contributions of all periods and all regions around the world. Your additions are destroying that perspective. The article is turning instead into an article about the maritime history of Portugal.
  • Secondly, you are not citing your additions with reliable sources. You say on your user page that "Everything here should be well sourced, of course". But you are not following your own advice. Please read wp:cite, wp:verify and wp:rs.
  • Thirdly, your additions do not appear to be your additions at all. Most of them are simply copied verbatim from other Wikipedia articles. You should either rewrite the additions in your own words, or say which Wikipedia articles you have copied from in your edit summary. Otherwise your additions become a form of plagiarism.

More seriously, it seems that you have been doing this for some time with many other articles. It is great that you want to develop the maritime history of Portugal on Wikipedia. But this is not the way to do it. You are not really adding anything to Wikipedia about this topic, you are merely inappropriately spamming copies of material that was already on Wikipedia into other article, sometimes damaging their balance in the process.

Rather than reviewing and maybe undoing your other additions myself, I suggest you review them yourself, and undo them when it seems appropriate. Then I suggest you return to what seems a real interest of yours, and create a new article called Maritime history of Portugal. Most of the material you have been adding inappropriately elsewhere would belong here. Portugal has an illustrious maritime history, so you should be able to produce an excellent article. However, please acknowledge in your edit summaries any Wikipedia articles you used as sources. And please add reliable sources if they aren't already present in the text. In the early days of Wikipedia it was acceptable to add material without reliable sources so long as the material was not controversial. But things have changed, and today everything should be sourced. There is a lot of accurate but unsourced legacy material on Wikipedia about Portugal's maritime past. It is easy to locate and copy bits from elsewhere on Wikipedia. The hard work starts when you set about finding appropriate reliable sources. If you use material like that in your new article, it is your job to acknowledge where it came from and cite it with reliable sources. Then you will be making a real contribution to Wikipedia. If you want some tips about finding reliable sources I'm happy to help. Best regards. --Epipelagic (talk) 21:20, 11 September 2014 (UTC)

Hi,Epipelagic, first of all thank you. I apologize for putting on a few points just to justify myself and organize my justification.
  • I came to wikipedia with some knowledge I have in the Portuguese Expansion and to give a contribution in this part, but not exclusively.
  • The material I "repeated", and only partially, was based in good faith, and with reliable sources. But I have to review that policy, which apparently is not according with the rules of Wikipedia. Then I'll have to review it all. Of course there was a certain comfort in saving some effort, and uniting more reliability. The goal was that. And was, patially, for this article (and only on aspects regarding the interest of the article). And no,I´m not doing this in the past.
  • There are some contributions on maritime history, because I think were a leap in innovation in history (to put a reference text), which I think were central to history for everyone and based in consensus (in a article of naval artillery - in a recent edition - and other on maritime routes and trade winds, that I based some material already exposed by other authors). And I think they are a few exceptions in which I retreat the material (part of it - and the part connected to the article in question as happen also in the "Portuguese Colonization of the Americas", partially also) of another authors and of my own in other articles (always reliable and with good sources).
  • In fact, much of the material that sometimes repeated or copied partially in some other exceptional edictions (but few, I think) in the past, and only partially (that which was relevant to the new articles), in most cases, were originally also written in Wikipedia by me (already in other articles), and always with reliable sources. And in regards to this as a whole, I hope you just want to refer to a last phase of my work. I try to complete articles only, and with guarantee of quality - that was and is the goal - always. And at least in that respect me, wikipedia has a guarantee of achieving that aim and in all that was written.
  • The Maritime history had a somewhat incomplete and incoherent Age of Discovery Chapter (to be stylish), apart from being a great article and a great and good work of the authors in general. And I completed it with consistency, with some of the most vital expeditions - I think well. Then there was also an absence of a major aspect of the natural phenomenon of maritime routes and their discovery (for an article on maritime history) - and particularly about Portugal and Spain (especially Portugal) contributions. I added both, and more Portugal, I think coherently.
  • Thanks for the suggestion, I still have no interest in the of article maritime history of Portugal. Also do not understand why would now erect an article about it, emphasize certain points there (among many relevant subjects only at a national level) of relevant maritime history at a universal level, with a decisive change for the world, and with reliable sources (as in the case of Portugal and some other nations or communities which played an important role on this), and then a general article already existent (but with the same theme) with a complete absence of all those themes or points, or even in contradiction. I do not understand these contradictions in Encyclopedia. So since the start, makes the hypothetical article contradictory with other articles and meaningless. But thanks, I know your suggestion is good (maybe a good idea), constructive, and well intentioned.
  • Apart from that, despite my Portuguese origins - I'm not exclusive - apart from this issue. I almost went in the encyclopedia because of that (for the interest in the subject ever since and before). And even then, I think my contributions to any analysis, in which the weight, unbalanced or not (I hope not), you will not see injustice, error or no relevance the contributions. If any, which I doubt (were rare and not deliberate). In addition to completing the articles whenever I can with other nations and explorers history (maritime history is not only this of course, but on this issue). And when I see an absence or no reference to a subject, historical person or inovation, I have no exclusive nationality, neither ethnicities or religions or whatever - all the contrary in my contributions (pardon to be stating the obvious, because it is the ethics with which I am here). Albeit with more knowledge and focused on this topic matter about the Portuguese, I had the impression I was doing a very valuable job.
  • There is then another mistake in relation to "exclusivity" - obviously my fault. Comes from my almost sole and restricted work and small contributions to this theme (Portugal on the theme of expansion). I have more than 900 or 1000 (or more, I don´t know) articles on surveillance of prehistory, science, psychology, esotericism, geography, astronomy, natural world etc. and all authors and world communities that I have as much or more interest. And having neither the time nor the expertise in certain topics, I do not have intervened, apart from rare corrections or control vandalism.
  • On the Article Maritime History: I should revert? For the reliable sources (still missing it; still lack this, I know - I apologize, that was not finished - despite the article having that gap sometimes already as a whole) You said I´m not following my own advice. True, but in the case was an exception - and not completed yet. But now I'm in doubt. I should reedict? Ok tomorrow I will see. And correct me in any time, of course.
  • Besides this, your critique and correction is relevant, and the risk of becoming a form of plagiarism in some parts from another article, which I was unaware ( I was in good faith), in the balance as well, but there is more harder to accept, because I try to take a holistic view and seek the truth (but I have to accept); and you called my attention to this error of my own in my last edictions (and I recognize now and I will try to change, starting today) - that I thought was right - fortunately without bad consequences, in my humble opinion (pardon myself in the case of immodesty or self-conceit, I hope not). I think in terms of relevance and reliability to the subjects, my contributions are unassailable in general and not unbalanced. Sometimes were lacking in other important matters and the contribution of a community or country was higher (there is no way around it or how to omit it) but also that same comunity or country had a minor contribution in other matters of science or history, Its normal.
Apart the error (I have to correct my contributions and I have to have the humility to recognize) There was no damage in my opinion. In the matters in particular (as a whole) Wikipedia won. My apologies and thanks. Best regards--LuzoGraal (talk) 00:50, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

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