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Speedy deletion of Elenchus (brachiopod)

A tag has been placed on Elenchus (brachiopod) requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section A1 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because it is a very short article providing little or no context to the reader. Please see Wikipedia:Stub for our minimum information standards for short articles. Also please note that articles must be on notable subjects and should provide references to reliable sources that verify their content.

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Buckingham Palace

Hello - I notice all the changes you have made there. Many of the links you have added are unnecessary or inappropriate. I am going to revert you at this point because otherwise it will take me a good hour or two to check each individual link and edit it. I am also going to copy this to the talk page of the article, where your messages about your edits should go (as opposed to the talk pages of individual editors) - after all, this is a collaborative effort and many of the pages you seem to have an interest in are watchlisted or edited by many people. Thanks. Risker (talk) 00:24, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

A suggestion for you

As you seem to have a genuine desire to improve the encyclopedia, and tell us that you have real life experience in editing articles, perhaps you would be interested in participating in a very useful wikiproject: The League of copy editors. There are a lot of editors who recognize that they need some help in writing articles and actively seek assistance, and your suggestions will likely be better received there than in stable, highly visible and widely watched articles.

I would urge you to modify your editing technique when you are copyediting an article. Consider opening up several tabs (or windows, depending on your browser) and checking each proposed link in a separate window before adding it to the article you are editing. Evaluate the link: does it provide useful information to the article? does it lead directly to an article as opposed to a disambiguation page? if it is a redlink, is there a genuine need for it or for the potential article? I would also recommend that you "save" your changes after every section or paragraph (for complex articles, sometimes every sentence). That makes it much easier for other editors to respond to the changes you'd like to include. As well, if you are making more than a few changes to an article, consider discussing it on the talk page before proceeding, to see if other editors agree with your plan; this is particularly important with high visibility articles, because their content is usually quite stable and/or is widely watchlisted. Best, Risker (talk) 03:00, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

I believe WP:EL provides guidance too. regards --Joopercoopers (talk) 15:27, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Esto gaza

This article Esto gaza immediately fails Wikipedia:Notability. An article about a fictional locational must have enough real-world coverage such as statements on conceptual design and critical reception and reaction. This helps it establish an encyclopedic article. If you wish, you may expand more on Esto Gaza in the Final Fantasy Wiki instead. Thank you. — Blue。 01:08, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Codex Sinaiticus

Thanks for your correction. Leszek Jańczuk (talk) 01:38, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

) thank you back. i noticed a few other minor things in the text that i might try correcting; but i am not familiar enough with the subject, & the technical vocabulary. i do not want to make a copyedit-type correction that accidentally damages the information-content. "in" seemed safe enough thoiugh, lol

the piece is certainly an interesting read! the history section needs some organizing tho; the chronology is a bit messy

The pic

You got me seriously wrong; I like the picture and I am not the one who removed it. Did you check the history? --BorgQueen (talk) 12:00, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Leave the same message on his talk page. Are you aware I am an admin, too? If you can make the objection on mine, then why not on his. :-D --BorgQueen (talk) 12:31, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Well done. --BorgQueen (talk) 13:23, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

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Haley Joel Osment

Fine. I won't disturb it for now. But you misspelled her married name and the construction was awkward and doesn't conform to encyclopedic standard construction for such listing of parental names. Monkeyzpop (talk) 20:05, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

To which encyclopedia standard are you referring? if the names were side-by-side: i.e.: Eugene & Theresa Osment (nee Siefert), or Theresa nee Siefert and Eugene Osment (already a bit more awkward), fine. but when you have additional material intervening (in this case her profession), you repeat the surname to be clear. you cannot automatically assume that a person's parents are (or were ever) married, that the wife took the husband's last name, or if she has changed her name by marriage or other means, that it will be the same as the father of her child. the child's surname is not a reliable indicator of this either. if you want to drop the brackets around "nee" fine, but if you don't want to specify the mother's last name seperately, the sentence needs to be revised so the parent's names are immediately beside each other, otherwise the meaning is not sufficiently clear, especially to a person with a non western/english-language background, or a person whose english is less than 100%. hell, i've had people who spent their entire lives in a western/english-language environment ask me what "nee" means, or if it had anything to do with monty python  :P

i know about the name, sorry, my bad!

Lx 121 (talk) 21:31, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Use of American

Please show me the policy, RfC, guideline or precedent upon which you are basing your insistence that people from the US, who are customarily called "American" would now be referred as "US actress" or "US actor". This is the usage that is in use on thousands of biographies and until your change on two articles, has not been an issue. A person from Brazil would not be referred as a Brazil actor, a person from France would not be called a France actor, a person from the US is not referred to as a US-ican, and more to the point, a person from Canada would not be called an American actor or a Canada actor. It would be Brazilian actor, French actor, Canadian actor, and persons from the US are referred to as American. That is not a POV title, it is what Americans refer to themselves as, it is what people from other countries call Americans. There is no need to use US in the opening sentence. The country is designated in the infobox as either U.S. or United States. This isn't an issue of centrism, it is, as the disambiguation page notes - which is why I referred you to it - what people from the US are called. Wildhartlivie (talk) 09:04, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Actually, I am in the habit of clicking a link before I post it, I am quite aware of what the page says and that it is a disambiguation page. Actually, I believe I mentioned that above. The order on that page has no bearing on a preferred usage. It simply covers all the contexts on Wikipedia in which it would be used. And as I said above, the first usage on the page is in the infobox, which designates the country as the US or the United States. It is an absolutely valid descriptor to say an actor from the US is an American actor. It is what citizens of this country are called. The unceasing discussions on the talk page of the American page is only that - unceasing discussion. It has no result, there is no consensus that has been universally applied across the encyclopedia, there is no policy or guideline that discourages or forbids its use and there is no relevant request for comments that is applicable here. It's quite simple. Much the same as citizens of Great Britain are called "British", not Great Britains, the people who live in the United States are referred to as "Americans" (although I would comment that there seems to be a great deal of vacillation on whether to call someone from England "English" or "British" and so on in the UK). Unless you plan on embarking on a mission to change the reference in thousands of articles, I see no reason for you to insist on changing two, which, if necessary, can be referred for a consensus determination. In the meanwhile, it would appear this would be your crusade, not a precedent. Wildhartlivie (talk) 09:29, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Again, I am not interested in reading ongoing and unceasing discussion. What is relevant is what is in the article, and from the introduction, I quote The word can be used as both a noun and an adjective. In adjectival use, it is generally understood to mean "of or relating to the United States of America"; for example, "Elvis Presley was an American singer" or "the American president gave a speech today;" in noun form, it generally means U.S. citizen or national (see names for Americans). Rather than give multiple articles and less relevant talk page debate and argument, As I requested, please show me the policy, guideline, request for comment determination, or precedent upon which you are basing your insistence that multiple thousands of articles, or even these two out of all of them, must suddenly be changed, otherwise please don't embark on a mission outside of a consensus/policy declaration. Wildhartlivie (talk) 09:40, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

And for the record, I removed no material from the article. If you had bothered to actually check into it, you would see that I had re-arranged two sections and added more referenced material. I would also remind you that you are in danger of violating WP:3RR if you revert again. Wildhartlivie (talk) 09:54, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

This is the revision I made, which rearranged and added a section and more material. This is where you removed all of it. I note that your changes of the reference to American has now been challenged by at least three different editors [1] [2] [3] on more than one page, by an editor from Great Britain, an editor from the US, and an editor from Australia. Wildhartlivie (talk) 10:20, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

[4] You gave links to an unassessed page, therefore not checked for validity, to pages that discuss the word, which clearly gives the statement I quoted above, which do not dispute the use of the word, and in fact, verify that persons from the United States: in modern English it more frequently refers specifically to people or things from the United States... In adjectival use, it is generally understood to mean "of or relating to the United States of America"; for example, "Elvis Presley was an American singer" or "the American president gave a speech today;" in noun form, it generally means U.S. citizen or national (see names for Americans). and in fact, as I have stated more than once now, the order that the short list is given on the dab page American makes no reference to the use or meaning that you are implying. I also have told you that there is no point in reading through an extensive article talk page wherein no consensus was formed, no determination was made, and were in fact only ongoing arguments that have no relevance. You absolutely have not given any Wikipedia policy, as I asked, that specifically addresses this issue, nor have you given a guidelines, a request for comment outcome or a precedent despite the fact that I asked three times. How can it be unfair to say you have not given these things when you in fact have not? As I stated, editors from three different continents have disputed your changes and that is significant. At this point, I have to suggest that this is a matter of your point of view, unbased in any determination in policy. As you've been told on your talk page and in more than one edit summary, this is the normative convention for describing people from the United States and it has not been an issue on any of the thousands of biographies that I've looked at on this site. I have given numerous examples and rationales for why your change is wrong and all you've given me is an unassessed article - not a policy - and a couple of incessant talk page arguments. When everyone around you disagrees with your edit, perhaps it would serve you to actually consider that they have been here a long time and understand the conventions that are used. Wildhartlivie (talk) 12:53, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

I don't think the "American" thing is a major issue either - (referring to your comments on my talk page). The reason I delinked "American" was not because it linked to a disamb page, but because common words are delinked in line with WP:COMMON as per my edit summary, so your comments to me don't take this into account. Whether the definition I gave as justification is listed 2nd or 200th is irrelevant. It's on the list as a suitable usage. In any case, "American" is very widely used here to indicate the U.S. Nobody would assume that Meryl Streep is from anywhere but the U.S. because if she was from another country in North America or South America, the specific country would be given. I agree with your reasoning, but this is a standard use here and is applied to thousands of biographical articles. If you want to start a discussion somewhere to have them all reworded, that's fair enough. To change just Meryl Streep and leave the other thousands is not an effective approach. Consistency is an important consideration, but if you feel strongly enough about it, perhaps it would be worth discussing on the applicable MoS page. Rossrs (talk) 16:05, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Dispute resolution

You could try getting a third opinion or a request for comment first. Daniel Case (talk) 14:30, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Osment

I believe, looking at what he changes vs. what you change is that for one, you are inserting that "Police found indications that Osment was intoxicated at the time" although the reference article says ""we suspect alcohol played a role in the accident". That is qualitatively different. Suspecting something is different that finding definitive indication. He is also disputing the reliably of the Starpulse reference entirely. Also, neither of the articles currently used as reference say marijuana, so that is why I believe that was removed. I am also concerned that by rearranging the text, some of the section that you revised then moved what was being referenced. Where a citation is placed is vitally important on a WP:BLP. Frankly, I do not see what referenced material you are contending is being removed. If it is the marijuana, then there will have to be a more specific reference that confirms that, since the present ref say "drug possession charges."

I split the personal life section because in most actor articles, the format tends to start out with early life, moves to what makes the person notable, and then discusses the more recent (or in this case, adult) personal life near the end. Osment's personal life will continue and as it does, it will push what makes him notable further and further down the page. There is a clear differentiation between his life as a child and one as an independent adult. I also believe that because the reference states that one of the reasons Osment played the All-Start Cup was because the team was being led by Mark Meara. Another note: there is no precedent for using an ampersand in regular text in an article and good writing form guidelines suggest not starting a section with a date to avoid the look of laundry-listing facts.

Finally, I agree, the issue of the use "American" will have to be addressed on a wider scale than these two articles because at present, there is no guideline or policy that specifically addresses this. That a dab is used with American is not something specific to that term. In almost every instance I can think of, the nationality descriptor is disambiguated in some way, whether it be [[French people|French]] or any other country. At present, it is the accepted demonym. Wildhartlivie (talk) 20:28, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Okay, here's the issue. Another editor also challenged the section as you wrote it as well. The reason is that the references that are in the article do not support inclusion of the blood tests and specifics regarding marijuana. For that reason, and that reason only, it was removed. Without specific supporting citations, it is a violation of WP:BLP. It is not my responsibility to determine what references to include to support your version. It is incumbent upon the person who is insistent on including something that otherwise violates biography of living persons policy to add the documentation that supports what the person is adding. It is not good faith on your part to accuse me of trying to shape the article to a positive slant. I'm quite clear on the reasoning - it's a WP:BLP issue. Incidentally, and to repeat, WP:BLP is the reason that the marijuana and blood test assertions can't remain in the article without citation. The present references do not support it. I rewrote the section in a manner that reflects what the references say. Period. You're the second person in as many days to say, "But my version is correct, see, here are some references ... you put them in to support my version." That simply is not how it is done. If you want the section to reflect blood tests and marijuana, then by all means, add your references to support it. Meanwhile, in order to submit your version, you added the blood test and marijuana directly in front of the citations that in fact supported the previous sentence, leaving that part unreferenced. Again, just to be clear, by putting the blood test and marijuana content in front of those references, it implies the refs support that. They don't. Please, by all means, if you want that content in the article, then add the references for it. Otherwise, it can be taken to the BLP noticeboard and they will determine that at long as it is improperly cited or completely unreferenced, it is a violation of WP:BLP and presents a legal liability issue for Wikipedia. There is really no higher tenet for Wikipedia than that.

Meanwhile, as for the golfing portion, the reference that is currently present does say that he was excited to join the team to work with that player. It's actually - surprise!! - already sourced. As for the ABC link - I didn't change that. Someone else did, and I don't really care about that. Wildhartlivie (talk) 16:44, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

china

I understand that you believe my pov is not the npov because your pov is npov, or that whatever is the npov in your pov is the npov. Things aren't so simple. Just as you believe I'm on the edge of violating NPOV by removing unsource wp:OR, I believe you are violating NPOV by putting it back. I understand the urge. If there is still a "civil war" continuing between the two sides, and civil wars are, after all, by definition internal to a country, the it appears to follow that Taiwan and China are still part of one country. However, if the war is over, then the outcome has been determined and it would appear to follow that Taiwan is no longer part of China. Based on your edits in various places you appear to be in the camp that believes Taiwan and China are part of a single country. The fact that you have a POV doesn't disqualify you from editing, but you shouldn't be so quick to accuse others of bias or of violating rules. We all have POVs. Better to discuss the reasoning for various decisions rather than to go around making ad hominem accusations of bias.

Plenty of wars have ended with no formal peace treaty. Wars often don't begin with formal agreements, and there is no requirement that they have a formal agreement to end them. Are you going to sue them back into killing each other just because they don't have a signed document authorizing and end of hostilities?

Pyl's wording: To this day, as no official armistice or peace treaty has ever been signed, there are controversies as to whether the Civil War has legally ended is pretty neutral and acceptable to me even though I don't believe the end result is truly neutral. As most wars in the modern era end with treaties, it does make sense to note that the Chinese Civil War had no such a treaty to end it. However, including the supposed legal question in my opinion gives undue weight to something trivial. What law are we talking about when we say "legally"? In most countries there is an enforcement mechanism for laws, what enforcement mechanism will demand that the KMT and CPC go back to killing each other? Is this controversy being actively pursued in court of law somewhere? What jurisdiction does this question fall under and to what court does one appeal? The question of whether the war has "legally" ended is somewhat ridiculous and its very inclusion puts undue weight on a particular POV. However, when it comes to POV questions I'm generally in favor of more information rather than less, so long as the information is presented accurately and as unbiasedly as possible. Readin (talk) 15:12, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

Muziic

Please make that stub. I'd be happy to do the ref formatting for you.- Mgm|^(talk) 11:48, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

made :) Lx 121 (talk) 08:23, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: drop-down menus problem

Hey, Lx 121. Thanks for your report. What you've noticed is in fact a bug, but strangely enough, the script was working fine for me on Ubuntu 8.10 running Firefox 3.0.x. I was able to replicate the bug on an old Ubuntu image running Firefox 2; the problem was that the events that keep the menus open while you're still hovering over them weren't being assigned correctly in some browser environments, which has now been fixed.

I'm guessing that you're using the gadget deployment, which should mean that a quick Ctrl-F5 should fix the problem if it's still there. If you're still not seeing any change, then please do let me know. Thanks again, and all the best! haz (talk) 20:50, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Sanssouci (song)

I have nominated Sanssouci (song), an article that you created, for deletion. I do not think that this article satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, and have explained why at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sanssouci (song). Your opinions on the matter are welcome at that same discussion page; also, you are welcome to edit the article to address these concerns. Thank you for your time.
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user:Juvenile Deletionist

Hi there; thank you for your help == re: juvenile deletionist ==

no problem; i was in the same situation: write a post, get an edit conflict... >__<

that's why i stopped (also to take a break, before i got too emotionally involved)

sry if i threw off the formatting, i was trying for the bottom of the one section first, then just the bottom of the page.

hope this thing gets resolved in a good way; tho i admit i don't think wikipedia needs more deletionists (rueful lol)

Lx 121 (talk) 22:09, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Certainly not ill-informed, uncritical and (dare I say it) young inexperienced ones. Hope to see you around. I have, for convenience, moved this to your talk page. Feel free to delete if this is not acceptable. Happy wikying. --Anthony.bradbury^"talk" 22:16, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

no problem; i'm never sure whether to answer on my own page, or the other user's. i wish there was a universal standard here, or better yet, an app something like "wall-to_wall" on facebook, to synch up conversations. i'm always around, mostly doing copyedits, or minor stuff that i find in my wanderings (i really like the wiki power tools, even just for surfing). i try not to get into the discussions/debates/arguements too deeply, it eats up time, & when i start to get emotionally involved, i know i need to back off. regards & thanks for helping with that user Lx 121 (talk) 22:33, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Go Dab

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Changes to Rhyolite, Nevada

Hi Lx 121. With respect, some of the recent changes you've made to the Rhyolite page have introduced errors that concern me. Your new layout causes the caboose and storage tank to overlap two text sections. WP:LAYOUT#Images suggests that when this happens, the article may have too many images. The school building photo that you added is OK but not necessarily better than one I removed a few weeks ago to make a little more space for a clean layout. In addition, when you moved the photos around, you left citation 36 hanging in space under the "Bust" head. This citation backed up the claim that the bank was on Golden Street and mentions the street map in the McCoy book. An error related to the caboose and storage tank image is the change you made to the caption. The issue of whether or not the caboose and tank are leftover from the Union gas station came up at FAC, but I was unable to find a reliable source for this assertion. We can't assume they are the same even though it seems highly likely. Smaller errors appear in three of your new captions. Captions that are sentence fragments do not get terminal periods. Please see Wikipedia:MOS#Formatting for confirmation of this. In the Rhyolite Mercantile caption, it is not necessary to repeat "Nevada", and in any case, the correct abbreviation is "Nev.", not "Nv." A great deal of work went into getting the article to featured status. The lead photo you added earlier is excellent, and I don't disagree with all of your changes. Would you mind, though, if I reverted the most recent set? Please discuss if you don't agree. You can post to the article's talk page if you'd rather not take up space here. Finetooth (talk) 03:30, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Duplicate of posting on other user's talk page:

hi;

i'm never sure where to reply to these things, on my talkpage, or the other person's.

i'll respond point by point; please don't take it as rudeness, my time is rather limited & i'm deep in the middle of writing something.

1. the photolayout doesn't cause any jam-ups of [edit] markers, which is the reason for that policy, but i can easily adjust the image a little, if you would prefer. the reason i placed it there is that is the only place in the article that talks about a caboose as a building in rhyolite.

2. the citation has been moved up to the picture caption again. the picture is also now right next to the text specifying the bank's location.

3. i also think it overwhelmingly likely that the caboose & tank are the remains of the gas station; unless for some reason dismounted caboose cabins were commonly used as buildings in rhyolite. if we can't prove it tho, perhaps we should simply remove the pic? or replace it with a different one? WMC has several possibilities; there are other (good) unused shots of the town & area, including several of the caboose. if we're not claiming a connection to the ancient gas station, the tank probably isn't of that much interest; this pic: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Caboose_July_2006.jpg is better as a photo of just the caboose. or there is that pic of the rhyolite sign: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:RhyoliteSign.jpg although i think it would be a better shot if the angle showed more of the town.

4. combed thru & removed the terminal periods from all captions that might be considered less than complete sentences.

5. i added "Nv" to the end of that line to give some symmetry, simply saying: "Rhyolite Mercantile", an abandoned general store in Rhyolite is slightly clumsy; there should be some kind of qualifier on the second usage of "rhyolite", otherwise it seems redundant, & there needs to be some specificity of location. i'm open to alternative phrasings: "Rhyolite Mercantile", an abandoned general store in the town of Rhyolite? or... (do we have a street location for this bldg?)

6. Nv/NV is an accepted abbreviation of Nevada, it is mentioned on the article page for that state. i've no strong attachment to its usage, it was simply the most compact form. i have no objections to your changing it.

7. thank-you re: lead pic; a photographer friend of mine took it & i knew it would be a perfect fit when i first saw it; i was the one who talked him into joining wiki (ha).

8. can we get a map of the site/town plan? btwn the park & historical atlases, there must be something that's PD.

Lx 121 (talk) 05:14, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi Lx 121. Thanks for your thoughtful reply. It's fine to respond to my messages either here or on my talk page or on the article's talk page. I will keep a watch on them all. (1) Your move of the caboose image fixed the problem. It was causing a jam-up on my monitor, but it doesn't now. Thanks for moving it. (2) The photo caption citation looks fine again. I removed the extra citation left behind under the "Bust" section head. (3) I agree that it's overwhelmingly likely that the caboose and tank are the same, and it has been irritating to me to be unable to find proof. On the other hand, replacing the image with another one of the caboose alone wouldn't solve the problem. I had earlier considered the alternate caboose image you mention but thought it was overexposed, and it also has licensing questions that have not been addressed and would probably not have survived FAC. (4) The caption punctuation is correct again after I removed one more terminal period from the lead caption. (5 and 6) Although handy for quick reference, other Wikipedia articles are not reliable sources. I used "Nevada" as a compromise. (7) Your friend's photography is excellent; I'm glad you recruited him. (8) A map is a good idea. I have made some maps using PD Census maps as the base and other works as data sources. Making maps is quite time-consuming, but I like doing them, and I might be able to pull it off. Thanks for the suggestion. (9) I see you were active in LoCE. Me too. It's too bad it bit the dust. Finetooth (talk) 17:12, 8 May 2009 (UTC)

After giving the caboose caption more thought, I've come around to agreeing with you that it's probably best to include the gas station claim even if no reliable source can support it. My reasoning is that the claim is so obviously true that no one is apt to question it whereas they do and have questioned its absence. I restored your preferred version, which may be more stable than mine. Finetooth (talk) 21:09, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

User category

Please read WP:BADCATS and reconsider the existence of your user category - thanks. There are correct ways of doing this. Ian Cairns (talk) 22:11, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

Oops

I didn't mean to also revert the merging of the table (although, I think it's mostly superfluous and ugly), just the link format. --EEMIV (talk) 12:52, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

ok, fair enuf. i don't really care about the apostrophe s not being a part of the link, tho i think it looks bad. i didnt create the table, i just moved it; there's a growing list of actors who have portrayed kirk now, & it's germane to list them. funny how the kid is the only one with the first name "james". i'm open to redesign & improvements of the table. merging hte shatner listings might be an idea? Lx 121 (talk) 12:56, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Suggested reading

Amanda Grayson - adding link for my convenience Lx 121 (talk) 13:07, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

WP:WAF, WP:GNG, WP:OR. Your expansion of Amandra Grayson is a collection of uncited plotcruft and speculation; I'd think the resound slap-down of Red matter (Star Trek) might make you more inclined to pay attention to the guidelines about notability and writing about fiction -- but, perhaps you missed the links; here they are. Furthermore, I also notice you failed to address the issues raised on the talk page -- can you address them, either on that talk page, the AfD page or (here's an idea!) in the article itself? --EEMIV (talk) 11:31, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

ok, i tried to be nice; please note that you are the one setting the tone here, it's your choice. i've provided the missing references you cited as the reason for removing the page. i didn't write the material, i simply restored what you deleted. i'm still working on improving it, in between other things in my life, some of which do not involve wikipedia. your practice of unilaterally blanking & redirecting articles, then leaving a token message on the talkpage, is borderline vandalism, & i suggest you stop doing it. Lx 121 (talk) 11:45, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

The references wholly fail to establish notability or provide a real-world treatment of the character. Again, WP:WAF. Note, too, WP:BURDEN -- restoring content that fails to meet guidelines and policies is counterproductive. Keep in mind that Wikipedia doesn't have a deadline -- if you're so busy that you can't do a sufficient job meeting basic content requirements, you might be better off working on a draft in userspace (e.g. User:Lx 121/Amanda Grayson) and working on it there until it has specific citations to reliable third-party sources (and not wikis and fan sites) that substantiate a claim of real-world notability (again, things Amanda Grayson still doesn't do). --EEMIV (talk) 11:52, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

& actually i don't really give a damn about trek, if it's going to be covered it should be covered properly, if it's not then so be it, but the policy for wikipedia's coverage of fictional topics needs to be clearly, because as an encyclopedia, it's a mess right now! Lx 121 (talk) 11:57, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

WP:FICT may be in flux, but WP:GNG, WP:RS and WP:WAF are pretty clear -- and topics such as Amanda Grayson and Red matter (Star Trek) don't make the cut for inclusion. The proper coverage for these marginally significant topics is some "List of X" or a passing reference in some other article. If you disagree with that, rather than restoring material that doesn't meet basic and well-established guidelines and policies, you might instead engage at WT:FICT. --EEMIV (talk) 12:03, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

i was just wondering, but; do you do anything on wikipedia other than delete, redirect, & wikilawyering? i think we've just about run out of things to say to each other here, if all you're going to do is wave a few thousand words worth of WP at me. you wanted references, you got references. google has 100,000+ listings for amanda greyson. how many references would you like? ^__^ Lx 121 (talk) 13:05, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Yes. I make it a point to understand Wikipedia's policies and guidelines, which is why several articles about fictional topics I wrote the majority of have been promoted to WP:GA status -- I know quite well that some elements of fiction are notable. But plenty aren't, and you seem to struggle with this idea (I did, too -- one of my first contributions was to create this POS). Your tendentious restoration of non-notable material is becoming disruptive. Please take a moment to review the project's guidelines on fictional topics' notability and coverage (and WP:GHITS -- Google hits don't count for much here). Regarding Cade Skywalker: the Star Wars wikiproject consensus is for characters like that to redirect to List of Star Wars characters -- did it occur to you to raise the question of the subject's notability on the article talk page? the wikiproject talk page? Again, you seem more concerned with expanding coverage but are not paying attention to Wikipedia's basic guidelines for inclusion. Your persistent failure to engage on article talk-page discussion is antithetical to how Wikipedia works. Furthermore, please differentiate between contributions and contributors. It's great that you disagree with the project's attitude toward fictional topics -- again, feel free to jump into WT:FICT and say your piece. However, shifting the focus to accuse me of wikilawyering and whatnot doesn't do anything except put you across the WP:NPA line. --EEMIV (talk) 13:34, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

3 quick points: 1. those aren't google stats, those are wikimedia's traffic reports for hits on the page. 2. i disagree with your practice of unilaterally blanking & redirecting articles; i feel that you are the one in violation of WP on that point. 3. i admire your ability to deny that you are wikilawyering, & then invoke... 4(!) items of WP to justify your position. you have a fine sense of irony! XD Lx 121 (talk) 15:57, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

also, with respect, if you go back & review your comments, not just to me, but in general as well, i think you will find that you are the one who is in danger of violating WP:NPA Lx 121 (talk) 16:06, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

1. Okay, so what? The subject, by Wikipedia's standards, is sufficiently covered at the List of whatever Star Trek character list it is. Your rewrite, again, fails to offer citations and fails to offer a real world perspective; the type of content you've offered is un-universe plot summary -- and readers are better served by Memory Alpha's in-universe treatment of the article. 2. Great. It's a practice, though, that generally works great for me; I'm not likely to change it. The only "violation" that sometimes occur is a failure to abide by WP:BRD -- but, in these instances, it's been your shortcoming by restoring the in-universe cruft without responding on the talk pages or addressing the issues raised on the talk pages. I give you credit for offering terse responses at these pages (some modicum of progress), but the content changes are pretty much insignificant and fail to address notability and a real-world treatment of the topic. 3. I never denied "wikilawyering" -- which I construe as understanding policies and guidelines, and trying to point you toward them. If you think it's wikilawyering, fine. Since you know the project well enough to know that term, is it fair, then, to assume you've read WP:WAF, WP:RS, WP:GNG and...are just ignoring them? --EEMIV (talk) 16:19, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

stats

thought you might be interested to know that the article about Amanda Grayson had 13,000 + hits in april, before the movie came out.

http://stats.grok.se/en/200904/Amanda%20Grayson

& so far (as of may 19) 36889 in may

http://stats.grok.se/en/200905/Amanda_Grayson

clearly a trivial subject, that no one would consider going on wikipedia to look for.

Lx 121 (talk) 13:10, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

None of these substantiate the subject's notability. --EEMIV (talk) 13:27, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

May 2009

Welcome to Wikipedia. Everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia. However, talk pages are meant to be a record of a discussion; deleting or editing legitimate comments, as you did at Talk:Cade Skywalker, is considered bad practice, even if you meant well. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. Thank you. --EEMIV (talk) 13:22, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

fixing typos & minor copyedits are allowed, as long as it does not change the overall intention of the post. would you prefer if i fixed my typos with a strikethru? Lx 121 (talk) 13:41, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

wait a minute i didnt make a comment on the cade skywalker talk page? tho i will be now. Lx 121 (talk) 13:43, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

You carelessly removed my explanation for the redirect -- you know, that message you should have responded to (or concerns you should have addressed in the article) before restoring content that the Star Wars wikiproject agrees doesn't warrant inclusion. --EEMIV (talk) 13:49, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

i checked the history; it seems i accidentally modified the talk page, when i was trying to restore the article, tho i'm not sure how. your redirect kept sending me to the wrong place & i must have hit the back button too many times; thank-you for restoring it. you will find i have added comments on the talk page there now. i note that don't seem to have a problem with blanking & redirecting pages before you post on the talk pages explaining your actions. i also note that this dialogue is becoming increasingly hostile & unproductive. unless one of us has something of substance to say to the other, i suggest that we terminate this exchange. i don't like getting into pointless petty arguements, & i've come as close to the edge of my sense of good manners as i care to go, possibly a bit further. i think it's fair to say that you set the tone for this exchange, but i regret responding in kind. i will try not to do so in future, & would prefer it if we limited any further exchanges strictly to discussion of wikipedia-related matters, without the sniping. Lx 121 (talk) 14:01, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Amanda

I have the same experiences at AfD's... :( If you have any books that approach Star Trek from a sociological point of view, those would add some weight to the article. There was a series of books called The Best of Trek, I read one of them years ago, unfortunately don't have access to them any more... – Alensha ^talk 15:54, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:User:Lx 121

Category:User:Lx 121, which you created, has been nominated for deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. VegaDark (talk) 14:53, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi there, I think you're looking for one of the Wikipedia Special Pages – Special:PrefixIndex/User:Lx_121 lists all pages in your userspace. Regards, Bencherheavy (talk) 19:38, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

 !!

I responded at User talk:Wknight94. I didn't realize I had the page on my watchlist as it's been several years since the incident and you're the first person who's had a problem with the page and thought it was important to edit war about it. Please be aware of WP:3RR. The wording on the page is !!'s own. It was his desired way to leave things, and you've not provided any reason to trample his parting wishes with a clumsy note after the entire reason he left was getting trampled to begin with. --JayHenry (talk) 17:19, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

I don't see what sort of bad decisions could occur, since !! has not edited for several years. Any admin who somehow stumbles across the page and doesn't realize that it's not a standard sockpuppet template is probably not fit to be an admin. But even if they can't figure this out, I can't see what damage could possibly be done? What's the hypothetical here? In several years your wanting to edit the page is the only incident. As for guidelines, WP:USER does rather clearly discourage editing other people's user pages. --JayHenry (talk) 21:41, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

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Rhyolite images

Hi Lx 121, I noticed yesterday that you had replaced the cropped mine image with the three-panel version. I had carefully considered this option before taking the article to FAC and chose the cropped version because the side panels were scratched and, in my opinion, contained no information that illustrated the text any better than the center panel. No article, whether it has an FA star or not, can be said to be perfect, and it's not surprising to see an FA get changed over time. On the other hand, an FA results from the work of many people, not just the main contributor, and all aspects are examined at FAC before the star is awarded. Any change made thereafter might or might not meet FA standards. In the case of the three-panel mine image, I would say that it might pass FA unchanged but that the licensing information would not pass because the link to the source is circular; it links to a TIF rather than to a source page that allows a fact-checker to quickly judge whether the licensing is correct or not. This might seem nit-picky, but these very questions arise during every FAC review. If you look at the licensing page for the single panel Image:Montgomery mine panorama cropped middle.jpg, you will see the difference between the information it contains and the information your license contains. They are similar but not identical, and part of what is included on the single-panel license was added during FAC by someone more expert than I in these matters. In the case of FAs, it's probably best to discuss large-scale changes on the article's talk page before making the changes. At least two other things about the three-panel image might raise questions at FAC: the black border and the borders between panels. Some reviewer would be sure to ask about them, and the nominator would have to be prepared to either justify them or remove them. If I had to take the article back to FAC today I would be inclined to solve these new problems by reverting to the single panel. I'm not saying that the three-panel image can't be justified or made to work, only that replacing the single panel with the wider image has ramifications that might not be apparent at first glance. As to other images, I can't express an opinion before seeing the images. I try to be mindful of the recommendations at MOS:IMAGES about image size and placement. Thanks for your continued interest in the article and in improving the encyclopedia. Finetooth (talk) 17:14, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Twenty-four hours later I sought a second opinion from User:Tillman, who has a continuing interest in the Rhyolite article. He agrees with you that the three-panel version is better than the single panel. You can see our conversation (and join it if you like) on the article's talk page. What I'll try to do as time permits is to spiff up the licensing info for the three-panel version so that my concerns about the license go away. They are fairly trivial since we already know for sure that the image is in the public domain. Before you add any other images to the article, would you mind letting Tillman and me have a look first to see if we have any doubts, thoughts, ideas? Cheerio. Finetooth (talk) 03:05, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

If you could add new photos to the Commons first, it would be helpful. There's not much room for more images in the article itself without violating image and layout guidelines. Also, an image is not in the public domain in the U.S. just because it was created before 1923; it has to have been published before 1923. The Nevada Historical Society images might or might not have been published before then. You have to provide proof that something like Image:Rhyolite1908Jansmall.jpg is in the public domain when you add it to the Commons. If you don't prove provide verifiable proof, the image may be removed at any moment and should not be added to any articles. Your source information, "Nevada Historical Society (site link pending), via my personal collection of pd-us-pre-1923 media found online; will try & backtrace the original site/original source asap" is inadequate, and the image is in violation of WP:V. Finetooth (talk) 18:59, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Update. I've adjusted the license for the panorama and cropped, retouched, and uploaded another version, but one problem remains. My revised version is but 153 kb. Urk! I forgot about the consequences of revising a small version. I'll have a go at retouching something bigger as time allows. Finetooth (talk) 22:24, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm no specialist in photo restoration, but I've learned a few tricks while making derivative maps based on public domain maps. By the way, I stuck with the PNG format you used for the original, but I believe JPG is the preferred format for photos. When I work up a larger version, I'm thinking of uploading a JPG. Any thoughts about the file format? Finetooth (talk) 17:25, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. That makes sense. Some of my earliest attempts at maps suffered from just the kind of repeat-edit data loss you describe. Fortunately, I soon learned to work exclusively in PNG format for maps, and I replaced my early low-quality versions with start-from-scratch PNG versions. I'm still learning. I'm also beginning to yearn for a better camera. I like my trusty Nikon Coolpix 990, but it has limitations I'm becoming more aware of as time passes. Finetooth (talk) 19:08, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

The 1901 photo looks fine and is closer to the right age, as you say. It's fine with me if you want to swap one for the other. Finetooth (talk) 19:53, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

<outdent> Looks good; date is good. You asked several notes ago whether that was Rhyolite for sure in the right panel. Yep. The next place, about a half mile south of that mountain in the right frame was Bullfrog, a short-lived and much smaller town consisting mainly of tents and a few small structures of stone and wood. Finetooth (talk) 22:17, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

OK by me. I'll eventually do the big one. Finetooth (talk) 15:56, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

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I largely agree with what you have to say at Wikipedia talk:News suppression, and I also understand your anger. However, you are rambling and shouting are becoming detrimental to the message you are trying to communicate, and I urge you to take a back seat for a while. Cheers, Ohconfucius (talk) 05:01, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I enjoyed your outraged comment; as I've previously noted on village pump policy: "Creative commons content is in the public domain, and contributed by a very large number of users in good faith, and often without knowing that the current underlying administrative entity resembles a primeval tribe with a chieftain and a few goons. More democracy and accountability in the power structure may prevent unilateral decision-making on censorship or the biased "NPOV" as is the case with many contentious issues. Pnd (talk) 09:23, 1 July 2009 (UTC)". I feel open publishing is incompatible with BDFL and/or admin cabals. Why should the person who happens to have founded the project have an eternal stake in making important decisions related to censorship? Why should editors who happen to be around for a while get to bear so much weight in decisions regarding "NPOV facts"? The process of leadership elections (yes, democracy, in spite of WP:NOTADEMOCRACY or whatever), but, wherever possible, flat hierarchical structures with polls, is not just absolutely essential to open publishing, but really implied by its very nature. Pnd (talk)

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July 2009

Welcome to Wikipedia. It might not have been your intention, but your recent edit removed content from Talk:Pyst. When removing text, please specify a reason in the edit summary and discuss edits that are likely to be controversial on the article's talk page. If this was a mistake, don't worry; the text has been restored, as you can see from the page history. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia, and if you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Do not blank talk-page comments. --EEMIV (talk) 04:11, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Lying

This is not a "punctuation" fix, as your edit summary claims. Take a deep breath and realize that the edits I've made to that page correct the formatting mark-up, offer actual English grammar, and in general make that article suck less. Your edits, disingenuous edit summaries or no, are counterproductive. How about instead you work on Pyst -- I did a second Google search and there are, in fact, reviews of that game that might establish notabililty -- but, as the restoring editor, you have the burden of proof to offer them. --EEMIV (talk) 04:16, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Are you serious? Do you even see the incoherent language? the errant mark-up on the bulleted list? the non-npov and gameguide trivia? Really, kid, get over yourself. You're restoring tripe and incoherence over succinct and clear info. How about at least use that as a starting point for expansion, rather than that rambling nonsense you keep restoring --EEMIV (talk) 04:23, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

ok; here's the thing; i've tried talking to you & it's not useful. you aren't prepared to work co-operatively, you are difficult to communicate with, & you're unpleasant on a personal level. i can no longer wp:agf with regard to your actions & i no longer wish to interact with you. go away. we can fight it out with edit wars, or arbitration, or whatever. unless you are willing to communicate something useful & in a polite, courteous manner in these comments, there is no further point in posting them. for someone who has been on wikipedia as long as you have, you show an amazing lack of manners, lack of tact & lack of ability to work with other people. i am done with you, k, thanx, bye ^__^ Lx 121 (talk) 19:15, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Aaron Johnson

Hi. Please do not add content without citing a reliable source, as you did with this edit to Aaron Johnson, as doing so is not consistent with our policy of verifiability, and Wikipedia does not consider imdb to be a reliable source. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you are familiar with Wikipedia:Citing sources, please make sure you include reliable, verifiable sources when adding material to articles. Also section headings are already emboldened, and are not to have further bold formatting tags placed on them. Thanks. Nightscream (talk) 06:23, 25 July 2009 (UTC)

Imdb is not a reliable source because its content is user-generated, with little editorial oversight over it, much like a wiki. This is not an opinion of mine, but the opinion of those with expertise in RS, as seen in numerous discussions about imdb on the Reliable Sources Noticeboard. (My opinion was that it was indeed reliable, and up until I learned otherwise, I myself used it as a source.) As for verifiability, that policy requires the source to be cited in the text of the article where the material in question is used. The burden for this is on the person who wishes to add or re-add the material, as seen at WP:Burden, and not those who come across it, for whom removing it is perfectly valid. "Try Google" is not a substitute for this. Nightscream (talk) 05:09, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Of the 20 or so discussions in that link I gave you, about 15 of them show that imdb is widely considered to be an unreliable source, for the aforementioned reasons, and if you can only assume that this is "jealousy", then that may be because you fail to understand Wikipedia policy. A site whose content is user-generated, and does not have editorial control over much of its material cannot be verified. Whether you or others in the film industry use it is not the criteria upon which this policy is based. Other Wikipedia articles cannot be used as a source for material in a given article for the reasons also pertaining to reliability. Is this an example of self-hatred? If that's not good enough for you, and you want a specific policy page, please see this one, which specifically disallows imdb to be used.

The burden of proof is not on others to prove material inaccurate, or to find the info from another source. It's on the person favoring the material to provide a verifiable, reliable source. WP:Verifiability and WP:Burden are quite clear on this, as I mentioned above. If you dispute that this is what the policy says, then why not say so? And if you are so enthusiastic about retaining that material, then why not find the source yourself? What logic is there in people insisting on adding material to articles, but insisting that others clean up their mess by sourcing it? Wouldn't the project work much better if each piece of material was sourced by the person adding it?

If you want to have a dispute resolution, then that would indicate that you and I have a disagreement on the interpretation of Wikipedia policy. Which policy or its interpretation are you disputing? I ask, because "We in the film industry use it" doesn't really qualify as an interpretation of policy, and stating that there "no consensus" on imdb, when there are 15 discussion on the RS Noticeboard showing that users versed in RS say it's unreliable is not likely to be taken very seriously. But if you want, I can request a Third Opinion, or further clarification on the Noticeboard. What would you like to do?

As for the 3 revert rule, if you think I'm in danger of violating it, then you're obviously not familiar with that rule either, since that rule forbids reverting material more than three times within a 24-hour period. Reverting it twice in 27 hours hardly qualifies as "close to violating it". In addition, the 3R rule does not apply to reverting vandalism or blatant policy violations, and indeed, adding unsourced information to articles (the material you added does not include an inline citation) certainly qualifies.

If by "overiding other users on an ongoing basis" you mean that I uphold Wikipedia policies, including WP:V, by reverting edits that violate those policies, generally by editors who are either unaware of or apathetic toward those policies, then yes, that is indeed one of the things I do here, and rightfully so. Nightscream (talk) 06:40, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

The passage in question specifies notability, but the principle remains the same, in that imdb is not considered reliable. If you want to split that hair, we can ask around further if you like.

Your statement regarding my opinion is false. My opinion (that is, my understanding), as I mentioned above, was that imdb was reliable, and I only amended this when I was informed otherwise. Your continued insistence that there is no consensus similarly flies in the face of the fact that numerous other users in fifteen different discussions on the Reliable Sources Noticeboard say it's unreliable. Fifteen discussions filled with editors saying it's not reliable does not constitute a consensus? How so?

The intent of the 3RR is to discourage edit warring. Good Faith reverts of a material that an editor believes clearly violates WP policy, first by one editor, and then by another editor 27 hours later, does not violate the spirit of 3RR, if the intent is to uphold WP policy, and there is no policy interpretation dispute. Once you began disputing the material in question with me, however, you'll notice that I stopped reverting it, as continuing to revert during such a discussion is not permitted. By contrast, you indeed did revert the material once our exchanges began. So please don't try to tell me that somehow it's my reverts that violates 3RR's spirit. When you insist on things like this, you only prove that you don't understand that policy or its proper application. But if you wish to ask others about this and refer them to the article's Edit History, feel free to do so.

Your assertion that my statements about sourcing is an opinion is also contradicted by the WP:V and WP:Burden policy pages I referred you to, another indication that you simply have no interest in learning and following WP's policies, as they clearly disprove your position. If your opinion is that it is more helpful to the project to attempt to fix & verify things, then you might want to put your money where you mouth is by actually doing this with respect to material you insist on including, instead of insisting that others do this for you. If is far more logical and fair for each editor who adds material to an article to be responsible for sourcing it. So far, you haven't even included an inline citation for Johnson's d.o.b.

I notice that you re-linked Johnson's date of birth. Dates should not be wikilinked, unless the date is germane to the topic of the article, as indicated here. Let me know if you wish to challenge this as well. Nightscream (talk) 15:33, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Btw, I forgot to mention this before, but I notice that of the four urls you included in the References section, aside from the two imdb ones, are two fan sites. Fan sites are not reliable sources, nor are they permitted to be included in the External links sections. Nightscream (talk) 16:54, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

Hi. Someone responding to my request for Third Opinion on the article's Talk Page has concluded that imdb is not a reliable source. A second editor has apparently agreed, as he reverted the article (though he did this before the Third Opinion was given by the first editor, something I'm not sure about). Would you consider this settled as a matter of policy? Nightscream (talk) 03:31, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Guelph CVI

I finally get around to taking a photo of the front of this high school (the only one I'd not done for Guelph yet) and I find you not only get a picture up before then, you get a better one than what I'd've ended up posting (Image:Guelph_CVI.jpg). I am definately jealous... <G> Tabercil (talk) 01:06, 5 October 2009 (UTC)

Manzai paiting

Hi,

I think it is something better after renovation.

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