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Thanks for working out an excellent compromise in the most contentious subsection of that official Mediation! There's more work to be done on the other subsections, but i think that for your success so far, you all deserve some extra whipped~cream and a lovely berry~on~top!







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Collect[edit]

As a participant in the RfC, this is to inform you that Brendan19 has recently filed a request for arbitration. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration#edit warring by collect and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the following resources may be of use—

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Over, I trust[edit]

All the ANIs, WQA, CUs, RFC/Us and RFARs are over, I trust. I sincerely thank you for voicing your position on the RFC/U on me. I did not canvass anyone, and in order to avoid any claims that I canvassd, I waited until now (the request to reopen the RFC/U seems dead). Again, many thanks! Collect (talk) 12:35, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

See also Heresy[edit]

Please do not remove this again. See also only leads readers to other articles that may interest them that are not dealt with in the article. A quick google search or Heresy and Emerging Church will provide numerous sources if you would like them added to the article. I felt this would be the best way to deal with the nettle, rather than firmly seize it with both hands. It is your call.--Die4Dixie (talk) 18:58, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I have again removed the Heresy tag from the Emerging Church article. There is no warrant to add it as a category. EVERY religious movement within Christianity can be classified 'heresy' by another movement. Just because Google searches can link the two (particularly since most of the sources are Reformed blogs) is no justification. The onus of proof is on you to demonstrate why it should be added.
By definition, "heresy" is based on the degree (or lack) of orthodoxy of a particular belief. The emerging church is a broad category that encompasses a number of beliefs (on which there is no agreed 'set'). Now - if you want to choose a specific belief and tag it as heresy (with ample documentation), feel free to go to the page for that specific belief (ex: antinomianism) and tag it as such. However, tagging a particular movement as heresy is contrary to the definition of the word, and - without ample documentation - inflammatory.
Please do not add this back until consensus is reached on the talk page of the article.--Lyonscc (talk) 22:05, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
You have misunderstood the see also category. It is not a tag. It does not suggest that the subject "church" is heretical, but does lead interested readers to a subject that is tangently related but not expounded upon in the article, which is, of course, the purpose of the see also listings. Please take a minute and consider reverting yourself.--Die4Dixie (talk) 22:09, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
I've reconsidered, and there is still no justification for reverting myself. You've provided no justification for the "relatedness" of Heresy. Its inclusion is basically a back-door route of original research. Again, you might as well tag the pages of every Christian movement as heresy, because it is rather certain that someone with a blog considers it as such. Please make your case on the talk page for the community that edits this particular page.--Lyonscc (talk) 22:13, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
You consider quicly, with enough time also to post to two pages. You have repeatedly mistaken category tagging with see also.--Die4Dixie (talk) 22:16, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Cut/Paste/Edit works fairly quickly. In this particular case, the inclusion of a category tag is little different than "see also" - they both imply the same thing. Tell you what - go to the Calvinism page and try tagging it with "See also: Heresy". I'm certain you could find sources for the claim (and Calvinism is a set of doctrines - much closer to something that could be more logically heretical than a movement across multiple denominations). Once you're successful arguing its inclusion there, please return to this article with the same justification and the community here would more likely be receptive to such a change.--Lyonscc (talk) 22:22, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Please see th etalk page to see the "relatedness". Does your private "community" WP:OWN the article, or am I missing something. I am not dealing with Calvinism now, but rather the " Emerging "church"".--Die4Dixie (talk) 22:29, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
I would not consider the group of authors that tend to edit this page (of which I am very infrequent editor) to "Own" it, but when a first-time editor adds information that has been discussed to some degree in the past, with no discussion, and then becomes belligerent when asked for justification and to wait for additional opinions, it is not an issue of 'ownership', but simply one of good editorship and prevention of POV-pushing.--Lyonscc (talk) 22:35, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
Where the belligerence? From your end, no doubt. Trying to send me to another page was uncivil. The IDIDNTHEAR that argument is pretty lame. I showed you the relatedness that you asked for.--Die4Dixie (talk) 22:37, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
There is no IDIDNTHEAR argument being offered, and the example to send you to "Calvinism" was to illustrate a point - not a serious suggestion (since it would work just about as well there, as here). What you cited is not justification for inclusion.
Heresy is, by definition, tied to a doctrine, not a movement. You've been offered a solution - go to whatever doctrines you consider heresy, include documentation proving them as such, and then tag them with "see also: heresy". This tag - by definition - cannot be tagged to the ECM article.--Lyonscc (talk) 22:43, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
I am also going to assume good faith and beleive that you do not know that I am Orthodox Presbyterian, and haven´t seen my edits where I have clearly stated this or my old user page that clearly stated so. Were I not too, then your trying to send me to Calvinism could only be considered a personal attack.--Die4Dixie (talk) 22:46, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

I did not know your old user page history, so my apologies - I chose "Calvinism", simply because Calvinists tend to be the most "evangelistic" in heresy-hunting on Wikipedia (and elsewhere), so the tagging of "Calvinism" with "see also: Heresy" might demonstrate the impropriety of the liberal usage of the heresy 'tag'. I am neither Armenian or Calvinist, but am from a Restoration Movement background (not the ECM), but I tend to intervene in articles that POV-push from any systematic theological viewpoint.--Lyonscc (talk) 22:52, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for clarifying. I of course did not want to go through the article tagging based on my personal beliefs. That some might consider some of the deviantions from orthodox protestantism ( even from Arminianism) might interest readers in the general subject of heresy. I will wait until more editors join. Please not, after your second revert, I have not attempted to reinsert, bu rather, encourage you too. This seems to be exactly what policy indicates onew should do. I will abide by concensus ( noting that it could change) so charges of POV pushing are rather hamfisted.--Die4Dixie (talk) 23:00, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
My apologies - your requests for revert have been much different that what I've seen in some of the "religious wars" on Wiki. The "POV-pushing" note was too inflammatory on my part. Please forgive my jump to DEFCON 4.--Lyonscc (talk) 23:03, 20 September 2009 (UTC)
If I have been intemperate, I too apoogize. I am certainly not interested in a religious war over a simple see also. Nor was it my intention to slander the movement with it. I look forward to a collegial discussion, and if others disagree with the "relatedness", I have no problem with it. Sorry for any misunderstanding( and my sticky keyboard).--Die4Dixie (talk) 23:14, 20 September 2009 (UTC)

Rob Bell article[edit]

Henrybish removed your edit. I placed it back but he's determined to have blog information inserted into the article. He's threatened to "take this further." I'm assuming you're more experienced with these situations. Stand ground or let it go; what should I do? Basileias (talk) 01:18, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

This would be my first 'arbitration'. I've never participated in that before, but I'm willing to learn. Basileias (talk) 02:25, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Biblica[edit]

Need a more experienced editor that me! Should this have been merged (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Biblica)? If not, can this be undone and if so, how do you do it? Basileias (talk) 17:55, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Contemplative prayer[edit]

Hello, I replaced the external link on Contemplative prayer, because I believe it to be verifiable. What is the article from New Advent lacking to qualify for WP:V? I'm a bit new to the structured part of Wikipedia, I'm afraid. Any clarification is much appreciated. Paulmnguyen (talk) 16:50, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Copyedit Backlog Elimination Drive[edit]

Hi Lyonscc, the Guild of Copy Editors (GOCE) invites you (via me), to help out with the GOCE September 2010 Backlog elimination drive page. No hard feelings on my part if copyediting isn't your thing, but if you'd pass the word to editors you've encountered in the past, we'd be very grateful. Cheers! -Paulmnguyen (talk) 22:13, 19 August 2010 (UTC)

Zondervan's tie to pornography![edit]

Alright, you got me out of a mess a while back and I think I stepped into another one. There's an editor on the Zondervan article that's determined to create a controversy section for the Pornography and Satanic connection Zondervan has. ;-) I probably made a mess of the talk page going back and forth with him. How do you do an arbitration case? If you have time or the desire, take a look at most of the sources he's using. I think I'm correct in saying most "fail." Am I wrong? Basileias (talk) 05:46, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

I'll take a look - sorry I've been out the past couple of weeks.--Lyonscc (talk) 05:09, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
No problem, your response was excellent as always. Wish I had your communication skill. Basileias (talk) 12:43, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Blocked[edit]

Be aware that this block is mainly for using an IP to continue an edit war and therefore break WP:3RR. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 02:45, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
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Request reason:

This IP address isn't me - I checked the address in ARIN WHOIS, and it is located in Virginia. I am in Indiana (you should be able to check the logs and see this). Also - if you look at the time when these edits happened, I was in the process of editing other pages (and actually submitting a 3RR request). I'm in the process of discussing changes with another user, with whom an Admin intervened in the 3RR matter. Also, if you check my IP address from my edits, it should show I'm not a sockpuppet! Lyonscc (talk) 02:51, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Accept reason:

See below. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 03:31, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

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Request reason:

I just did more looking, and geolocate shows that the IP address is in Cincinnati. I am in Indianapolis, and not at all in the geolocation area (which is 90-100 miles from here). The anon IP cannot be me. Lyonscc (talk) 03:09, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Accept reason:

I'm still skeptical of it, but there's another admin involved in the article and discussion is going on, so let's see where this leads. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 03:26, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

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I was unblocked (as above), but still cannot edit. I've cleared my cache, and still nothing.

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Accept reason:

It looks like HelloAnnyong forgot to clear the IP-autoblock that accompanies blocks on usernames (the two blocks always occur together, but must be unblocked seperately). I have lifted the IP block as well; you should be free to edit. If you still are having problems, let us know. Jayron32 03:58, 29 June 2011 (UTC)


Children's Museum backstage pass[edit]

The Children's Museum Backstage Pass! - You are invited!
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The Children's Museum of Indianapolis is hosting its second Backstage Pass and its first Edit-a-Thon on Saturday, August 20. The museum is opening its doors to Wikipedians interested in learning about the museum's collection, taking them on a tour of the vast collection before spending the afternoon working with curators to improve articles relating to the Caplan Collection of folk toys and Creative Playthings objects. Please sign up on the event page if you can attend, and if you'd like to participate virtually you can sign up on the Edit-a-Thon page. ---LoriLee (talk) 15:10, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Your Censorship and Edit Warring of the Joel Osteen Page[edit]

It is always a wonderful thing when a censor or oppressor is forced to show their hand. It is an even better day when an agenda is exposed. You are a fraud, and that has been exposed through the "Joel Osteen Wikipedia Watch Group" that has formed as a direct result of your censorship control of Osteen's page for more than three years. The top of Wikipedia wonders why people don't want to edit anymore, as you and one or two others gang up to stifle outside editors. (Clubhrt (talk) 06:54, 6 September 2011 (UTC))

You might want to catch up on WP:TAGTEAM per your "Watch Group". My primary editing activities are with Biographies of Living Persons, of which Osteen's is one of many. I happen to despise much of what Osteen focuses on (Health & Wealth Gospel), but that is no reason for me to bend/break the rules of Wikipedia (be it in verifiable resourcing or POV pushing. The same rules need to be applied to those figures I dislike as to the ones I do like. In the case of this particular article, it appears you (and your sockpuppet/meatpuppet group) are somewhat bent because an obviously self-published article does not meet the verifiability sourcing requirements. This is not my problem, and no amount of gamesmanship will fix it as it pertains to this particular source.--Lyonscc (talk) 16:02, 6 September 2011 (UTC)
Clubhrt was added to the SPI (Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Openbluesky), will likely get blocked soon. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:28, 7 September 2011 (UTC)

Articles being targeted for deletion by SPA's[edit]

You may want to see this Complete Jewish Bible delete. While I realize there are notability issues with some of the articles in question, it seems some rules are being taken advantage of for the purpose of deleting something simply because someone doesn't "like" it. You may want to follow some of the links to some of the SPAs. Basileias (talk) 16:39, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

Ichthus: January 2012[edit]

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January 2012

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December 2012[edit]

Your recent editing history at Right-to-work law shows that you are currently engaged in an edit war. Being involved in an edit war can result in your being blocked from editing—especially if you violate the three-revert rule, which states that an editor must not perform more than three reverts on a single page within a 24-hour period. Undoing another editor's work—whether in whole or in part, whether involving the same or different material each time—counts as a revert. Also keep in mind that while violating the three-revert rule often leads to a block, you can still be blocked for edit warring—even if you don't violate the three-revert rule—should your behavior indicate that you intend to continue reverting repeatedly.

To avoid being blocked, instead of reverting please consider using the article's talk page to work toward making a version that represents consensus among editors. See BRD for how this is done. You can post a request for help at a relevant noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, you may wish to request temporary page protection.

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Christianity newsletter: New format, new focus[edit]

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Love history & culture? Get involved in WikiProject World Digital Library![edit]

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (June 2013)[edit]

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June 2013

From the Editor

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Since its formation in 2006, WikiProject Christianity has come a long way. A significant number of new articles have appeared on a wide range of topics, and the quality of some key articles has seen dramatic improvement. Yet, by the very nature of the open, crowd-sourced development environment in which we operate, as the number of pages in the project has increased at times our attention has been naturally diluted. We should of course strive for quality everywhere, but we should remember that this newsletter is called Ichthus.

Starting this month we will start a "Focus on" series, where we will try to "bring Jesus back" and focus on him. For five consecutive issues we will focus on one aspect of the study of Jesus. The goal of this series is to inform our members of what the project contains and highlight those articles which have reached quality and stability.

From this month until November we will focus on the historical Jesus, a topic which has been the subject of much discussion on article talk pages, as well as the general media. This is an important topic, and we have a good set of well referenced articles on that now. Then, starting in December we will focus on Christ, and the spiritual and theological elements that the title entails. Following that the review of the life and ministry of Jesus in the New Testament, his miracles, and parables will take place. And each month the "Bookshelf" will mention a book that fits the theme of the month.

We hope you will enjoy this journey as we present a new aspect of Jesus each month. And given that as the number of project pages increases, the ratio of those watching the pages declines, we hope that more of you will watch some of these central pages that help define this project.

Church of the month

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The current building of All Saints' Church, Winthorpe in Nottinghamshire, England which was completed in 1888, is at least the third version of the church, which dates back to at least the early 13th century.

Good articles and DYKs
The article Jesus received the good article mark last month, as did Cleeve Abbey. A number of churches were featured on the main page in the DYK section in May, namely St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St Patrick's Liverpool, Vlah Church, Freerslev Church, Cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption, Mata-Utu, St. Michael's Cathedral (Sitka, Alaska), St. Lamberti, Hildesheim, Karja church, Braaby Church, St. Pierre Cathedral, Saint-Pierre, Mont Saint Michel Abbey, St Patrick's Church, Liverpool, Vlah Church, St Catherine of Siena Church, Cocking, Catedral Nuestra Señora de La Asunción, Roholte Church, Notre Dame Cathedral, Taiohae, Leicester Abbey, Caracas Cathedral, Caldey Abbey, King's Mead Priory, Cathedral of the Immaculate Conception (Hong Kong) andAll Saints' Church, Winthorpe, as well as the hymn What Wondrous Love Is This.

Focus on...

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Did Jesus exist? Did he walk the streets of Jerusalem? The Historicity of Jesus article answers these questions with a firm affirmative. Historicity does not discuss if Jesus walked on water, but if he walked at all. The issue was the subject of scholarly debate before the end of last century, but the academic debate is almost over now. As the article discusses, virtually all academic opposition to the existence of Jesus has evaporated away now and scholars see it as a concluded issue. The discussion is now just among mostly self-published non-academics.

In 2011 John Dickson tweeted that if anyone finds a professor of history who denies that Jesus lived,he would eat a page of his Bible (Matthew 1 he said). Dickson's Bible is still safe.

The article discusses the ancient sources that relate to Jesus and how they fit together to establish that he existed. The evidence for Jesus is not just based on the Christian gospels, but by inter-relating them with non-Christian sources, and the fact that they all "fit together". Moreover, the existence of Jesus is not supported just by Christian scholars and in recent years the detailed knowledge of Jewish scholars and their discoveries (e.g. Shlomo Pines' discovery of the Syriac Josephus) has proven highly beneficial. We encourage you to read and follow the article, for the existence of Jesus is central to the existence of Christianity.

From the bookshelf

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Jesus Outside the New Testament: An Introduction to the Ancient Evidence by Robert Van Voorst, 2000 ISBN 0-8028-4368-9

Just a few years after its publication, Van Voorst's book has become the standard comprehensive text for the discussion of ancient sources that relate to Jesus and his historicity. This detailed yet really readable book has received wide ranging endorsements - Blomberg and Harris separately referring to it as the most comprehensive treatment of the subject.

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WikiProject Christianity Newsletter (July 2013)[edit]

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July 2013

From the Editor

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Welcome to the July 2013 issue of Ichthus. We focus on the chronology of Jesus, as well as looking back at the project content improved over the last month.

WP:X has gained another Featured Article, Gospel of the Ebionites, by Ignocrates. The Gospel of the Ebionites is the name scholars give to an apocryphal gospel that supposedly belonged to a sect known as the Ebionites. It consists of seven short quotations discovered in a heresiology known as the Panarion, written by Epiphanius of Salamis, and its original title remains unknown. The text is a gospel harmony composed in Greek, and is believed to have been written during the middle of the 2nd century.

St Mihangel's Church, Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn was promoted to Good Article status, as was two other welsh churches, St Enghenedl's Church, Llanynghenedl, and St Peter's Church, Llanbedrgoch.

The main page also featured several DYK hooks for articles in our project, namely Bob Fu, List of places of worship in Tandridge (district), Catholic Press, Garendon Abbey, St. John's Episcopal Church (Jersey City, New Jersey), Pargev Martirosyan, Praskvica Monastery, Heather Preceptory, St. Augustin, Coburg, Longleat Priory, St Mihangel's Church, Llanfihangel yn Nhowyn, St Enghenedl's Church, Llanynghenedl, Christianization of Moravia, Christianization of Bohemia, Repton Abbey, St Peter's Church, Llanbedrgoch, Medingen Abbey, Elmhurst Christian Reformed Church, St. James on-the-Lines, and Leopold Karl von Kollonitsch.

Church of the month

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St. Michael's Golden-Domed Monastery is part of Saint Sophia's Cathedral, Kiev in Ukraine. It is a functioning monastery that dates back to the Middle Ages.

Membership report
The parent Christianity WikiProject currently has 367 active members. We would like to welcome our newest members, Newchildrenofthealmighty, Evenssteven, Kerna96, and FutureTrillionaire. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.


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When did Jesus live? When did he die? How do we know? We do, in fact, have excellent information about the time intervals for the life and death of Jesus. As in other people who lived and died in the first century, this gives an approximate date range, but still, give or take 3-4 years and we have pretty good estimates confirmed by a number of really diverse sources, ranging from inscriptions in Delphi to Roman and Jewish sources. The Chronology of Jesus article discusses how a wide variety of Christian, Jewish and Roman sources are used to establish the time-frame for the life and death of Jesus.

And all of his data fits together. For instance, the chronology of Paul had been discussed based on the Book of Acts long ago, then the Delphi Inscription is found in the 20th century in the Temple of Apollo. And guess what.. it confirms it and totally dates his trial in Corinth, which helps reaffirm the date of the crucifixion of Jesus. The same date range is independently estimated from the writings of Josephus on the Baptist's death. And it fits Isaac Newton's astronomical models for the crucifixion date as well as the independent lunar calculations of Humphreys. As that article shows, all these dates just fit together.

From the bookshelf

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Chronos, kairos, Christos: nativity and chronological studies edited by J. Vardaman, E. M. Yamauchi 1989 ISBN 0-931464-50-1

This two volume book (with a very apt title) is gem-filled with scholarly research. Paul Maier's article in the first volume is a classic study on the chronology of Jesus and provides a useful summary of a number of issues.

Did you know...

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This month (July) contains the feast days of Mary Magdalene, and James, son of Zebedee.



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This issue was distributed on behalf of Gilderien, current editor of the Ichthus, at 20:57, 30 June 2013 (UTC). Comments and other feedback are always welcome at his talk page.

Rob Bell + WP:BLP[edit]

Some news organizations host online columns that they call blogs, and these may be acceptable as sources so long as the writers are professionals and the blog is subject to the newspaper's full editorial control.

WP:BLPSPS

Beyond that, the huffington post reference just a few lines later is in a section of HuffPo called "The blog." Same kind of thing.ReformedArsenal (talk) 14:40, 11 July 2013 (UTC)

August 2013 WikiProject Christianity Newsletter[edit]

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August 2013

From the Editor

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Welcome to the August 2013 issue of the WikiProject Christianity newsletter. We focus on the historical Jesus and reflect on the last month.

The project has another featured picture, The ruins of Holyrood Chapel, a digitisation of an oil-on-canvas painting. Our top-importance article, Jesus, has been nominated for Featured Article status, the discussion can be seen here; Knights of Colombus has also been nominated as a FAC.

Ecgbert (bishop) and Church architecture in Scotland have both this month achieved Good Article status.

Our project had several of its articles featured in the main page DYK section, including Hinckley Priory, Little Chapel, St Peter's Church, Ropsley, Chip Ingram, St John the Evangelist's Church, Corby Glen, Great George Street Congregational Church, St Mary's Church, Walton-on-the-Hill and Bunge church.

Our thanks go to all of those who have worked to achieve these article milestones.

Church of the month

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This image, of Maillezais Cathedral and created by Selbymay was this month promoted to featured picture status.

Membership report
We would like to welcome our newest members, Thechristophermorris, Psmidi and Jchthys. Thank you all for your interest in this effort. If any members, new or not, wish any assistance, they should feel free to leave a message at the Christianity noticeboard or with me or other individual editors to request it.

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HISTORICAL JESUS

What was Jesus like? What did he preach? Did he claim to be the Messiah? Did he predict an apocalypse? What can we know about him outside a religious context? The Historical Jesus article discusses what can be known about Jesus with various degrees of probability. While scholars agree on the over all flow and outline of Jesus' life (his baptism by John, debated Jewish authorities, healings, and his crucifixion by Pilate) they have built various and diverging portraits of the rest of his life. These range from minimalist portraits that accept very little of the gospel accounts to maximalists who accept most of the accounts as historical.

The portraits of Jesus have at times been unwitting reflections of the researchers themselves, and Crossan once quipped that some authors "do autobiography and call it biography". However, the study of historical Jesus has made one thing clear: there is so much to learn about Jesus that the more one looks, the more there is to discover.

From the bookshelf

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Jesus of Nazareth: An Independent Historian's Account of His Life and Teaching by Maurice Casey 2010 ISBN 0-567-64517-7

In this book Maurice Casey not only draws on his special expertise in the Aramaic traditions and the Q source, but provides a comprehensive review of the various approaches to the historical Jesus.

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