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RfC: Is it appropriate to use the term "American record" when referring to a national record set by a United States citizen?[edit]

Hi! You might be interested in the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Athletics. Thank you. Location (talk) 18:45, 28 September 2009 (UTC) (Using {{Please see}})


Thanks for your message. I'm no longer contributing to Wikipedia, but I do still check my watchlist so I have noticed the changes you are making. They seem to pull the article in the right direction, but I also think they are working against the general trend at Wikipedia. I was SPA myself and was essentially banned for it (topic banned from my area of specialization). While I don't think it's a good trend, I think the article needs to note that Wikipedia generally frowns on narrow contributions. My request to have my topic-ban lifted is a good case in point (archived here). Carcharoth articulated the principle pretty clearly:

I remain of the opinion that those focused totally or almost exclusively on a single topic should diversify their editing to come to a broader understanding of how Wikipedia works. This applies to both non-expert editors and experts as well ... Self-taught or actual experts won't be able to be as deeply involved or authoritative on other areas, but that is a good thing, as it gives a taste of what it is like at different levels. When editors first arrive at Wikipedia, I think they should be allowed to be "single-purpose accounts" up to a point, but beyond that point, they need to diversify.

If they don't (as I didn't), they are likely to be treated with suspicion even by the Arbs, and if they are involved in controversy they will not be given the benefit of the doubt. More "diversified" editors, on the other hand, are generally given freer reigns than SPAs.

In the "decision-making tags" section, the essay conflates "SPAs" (to be tagged) and "new users": "Some users just find it easier to discuss issues when it is clear who the new editors are [i.e., by tagging them as SPAs]." I've argued all along that this is completely unnecessary. One might tag them as "new" users, for example, and avoid giving the label "SPA" pejorative connoations. Sadly, it now has those connotations, and even the Arbs let them guide their thinking on particular cases. Wikipedia is simply not a place for specialists. It has become a community that demands a general kind of loyalty to "the project" first. So people who make broad contributions have more influence on particular articles than people who have detailed knowledge of the subject. That's my experience, anyway.--Thomas B (talk) 09:02, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Notability Essay[edit]

I'll be glad to help, but you can depend upon me seeking ambiguity. I'm not too interested in placing hard borders that prevent good stories from being told. Its those stories I'm trying to find and edit. I happen to like mentioning the star Youth athlete who disappeared as an adult (I should write up Obea Moore), the outstanding Masters athlete (I'm waiting to write up Philippa Raschker), or the lesser athlete who made the race significant (I inserted the mention of Paul Pilkington into the Pacemaker (running) article). I want the door to be open to these kind of stories. Again, I'm not yet mentioning some of the ones I've already dropped in because I don't want them to get attacked.Trackinfo (talk) 05:30, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Figure skating notability & unreferenced BLP deadline[edit]

Thanks for the notice about this. See my notes here [1] Any help you can render would be appreciated. Yakushima (talk) 15:58, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

No problem, I went though the first 26 skaters, and marked them into categories of notability, most were DN - definitely notable, a couple were in the grey area LN and few were also NN (not notable unless you can find sources that suggest GNG coverage) -MATThematical (talk) 18:57, 7 May 2010 (UTC)

Promoting NSPORT to notability guideline[edit]

Do you think that WP:NSPORT is ready for promotion? Thanks  --Joshua Scott (LiberalFascist) 17:46, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I think its quite close. I would like a little more feedback on the less popular sports such as the Gaelic games where we basically just trust what ever the one person who through up there said. Gymnastics has not been commented on by the gymnastics community, perhaps because they like it, but perhaps because they don't know it exists. Maybe its time for an RfC which would solve this. After consensus from an RfC I think we could make it guideline. It is looking pretty good. I particularly like the wording at the top to be careful when considering local coverage and statistics sources, I think its a good compromise --MATThematical (talk) 18:25, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
I've made a couple of big changes in the non-athlete section, and I noticed that you and some others are still actively editing, so I'll hold off for a couple days. You can try to notify some of the other members of the Gymnastics project directly to get their feedback. Here's the ones who appear to be active:
Cheers!  --Joshua Scott (LiberalFascist) 19:12, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
Take a look at User:LiberalFascist/NSPORTpromo and let me know what you think of the wording.  --Joshua Scott (LiberalFascist) 22:01, 9 May 2010 (UTC)
The proposal part does not look finished as far as the temporary grandfathered in clause. I'd leave it semi vague and have the details worked out in discussion. Have 2 comment sections, the grandfathered in comment section and the general comment section

College Football notability[edit]

Great changes and modifications! I wouldn't change a thing that you edited! Thanks for the input and clarity!--Paul McDonald (talk) 01:52, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

License tagging for File:SpiritCatchesYAYFD.jpg[edit]

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Galton-Watson process comment[edit]

Hi, I just noticed your comment on my talk page from last June (!) since I haven't logged in in a while. I might take a look at some point to see what I can do, but I don't edit Wikipedia that much these days, so no promises. skeptical scientist (talk) 23:58, 25 January 2011 (UTC)


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High school record holders[edit]

Category:American high school record holders is being considered for deletion. Please share your thoughts on the matter at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Trackinfo (talk) 05:31, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

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Mary C. Cain[edit]

You posted her World Youth Best in the one mile with the phrase " it is now officially the world youth best." Actually the world governing body, the IAAF doesn't even cover it "officially." [2] You can see they cover Outdoor Youth Bests, but to not cover the One MIle in that group. They also do nothing about indoor Youth Bests. So the only thing official about it is that we wiki-statisticians are paying attention and have declared it so. Trackinfo (talk) 17:09, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

thanks for the correctionMATThematical (talk) 19:25, 20 May 2013 (UTC)


I mentioned an edit you did long ago at Wikipedia talk:Notability (sports) Trackinfo (talk) 01:44, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

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