User talk:MacGyverMagic/Archive 15

Today's second feature

Hi Mac,

Following violet/riga's lead, I've started to fill out Wikipedia:Today's second feature in the style of Wikipedia:Today's featured article, and created the archive for managing the content at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/July 2005. It would probably be a good idea to add these pages to your watch list.

I've filled out the {{Did you know}} for the rest of the week, but (so far) only protected the one for tomorrow. I imagine most of these pages will be protected most of the time, but I haven't figured out what the policy is yet.

The archive immediately shows a headache with the DYK sections always showing the current content. With time, I imagine there would be a good role for a bot to replace yesterday's transclude with a copy of how DYK looked at the end of that day. Or perhaps there is a clever way this could be done with history links. -- Solipsist 10:33, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Then what should I do if DYK is updated multiple times a day? DYK is already archived in Wikipedia:Recent additions. I don't think it's useful to duplicate that. -- Mgm|^(talk) 13:26, July 25, 2005 (UTC)

Well to some extent, its not important. We could regard the word 'archive' in the title as being a misnomer. The real use for pages like this is in checking that we have the content set up in advance and providing handy links for editing the page on any particular date. On POTD and Featured articles they just also have the side effect of being an archive of past content. Its not a problem if the DYK entries all change simultaneously, except that someone at some point is going to moan. -- Solipsist 13:34, 25 July 2005 (UTC)

Medcom

Please update Template:MedComOpenTasks (list current cases) and Template:Medcom#Active_Mediators (add * for each current case) to reflect your current status. Sinreg, -St|eve 23:03, 27 July 2005 (UTC) P.S. New rules in testing: No absolute consensus for mediation (else to WP:RFAR), and MC:Chair assignment of mediators, rather than disputant agreement (given no confict)

PPS: Would you be able to assist with one of the WP:RFM#Other? -SV

Re: Is it OK to create stubs?

I asked about this on the Wikipedia:Help_desk page and you were kind enough to mention that articles without informational content could be deleted. I checked on the 'criteria for speedy deletion'and it says "Ideally, when a sysop deletes a test page or other page with no useful content, it is a good idea to put a note on the author's talk page explaining things, and preserving the deleted content, pointing them to the sandbox in cases of tests. Be friendly! Everyone was new once."

but the people that were diligent enough to delete my stubs didn't consider it necessary to mention the fact on my user page. The reason I created stubs, I was filling in articles on obscure programming languages, and it was easiest to build the stubs for the languages, then return to them and fill them in. But I've since learnt this won't work, so instead I will create the first stub, fill it in, create the second etc.

Anyway, thanks for the guidance. Lingolanguage 21:41, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Tango.info

Hi MGM,

I saw your comment on VfD, could you have a look at Tango.info whether the article is better now? Tango.info has some outstanding characteristics (Google Earth, free datasheet download, only non-english/non-spanish site of this size, most complete tango festival and tango website index) and since its start around 1 year ago allready gained respect within the tango community.

Thought it's better to ask you first before talking too much on VFD page. You maybe know more about VfD than me. Thanks in advance for your feedback. Tobias Conradi (Talk) 21:15, 4 August 2005 (UTC)

Cleanup algorithm

The cleanup algorithm changed *quite* recently (sometime early August). I personally have converted all the September 2004 articles to the new CleanUp category, so that is why only those appear :-). Cheers! — HopeSeekr of xMule (Talk) 17:10, 5 August 2005 (UTC)

Two people with the same name - what should I do?

It seems this has been done now. If by you, thanks! If someone else spotted it first, thanks to them! :) Gaysimon 17:31, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

WikiProject user scripts

Would you like to join the Monobook scripting team? Note: this thread is now closed. We are going to start it off at User:ABCD/WikiProject User scripts. Alphax ^τεχ 23:44, 11 August 2005 (UTC) (first post was 01:32, 10 August 2005 (UTC))

Just wanted to let you know I've changed my vote to keep. And sure, I'd be up for joining the Monobook scripting team. -- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 01:36, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Yay, now to start it :) I think I've already got func and Essjay in on it... Alphax ^τεχ 04:13, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Perhaps a WikiProject? -- BMIComp (talk, HOWS MY DRIVING) 04:41, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

You know, that's not a half bad idea! It's almost impossible to figure out how to make those changes if you aren't familiar with the system. I'd be happy to be part of Wikipedia:WikiProject Monobook. -- Essjay · Talk 04:53, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Sasquatch was able to help me get my monobook.js to work; he says func is the man for java work. Perhaps we shoudl get Sasquatch on board? -- Essjay · Talk 07:54, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Sure :) Alphax ^τεχ 10:34, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikiproject:Monobook sounds good to me. Someone initiate it so we can get this party started. Sasquatch↔讲↔看 19:46, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Ok, a few more people invited (put {{User talk:Alphax/20050810-01}} on someone's talk page to do so) - see what links here for who they are. Alphax ^τεχ 10:47, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Errh... what is this all about? Lupo 10:53, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

This is a thread. If you want to stay synchronised, don't substitute it. Some of us are considering forming a wikiproject (or something) to coordinate on scripts for the Monobook skin. Ironically, almost of all of it will be implemented in JS, not CSS. I thought you might be a knowledgable person when it comes to this stuff. Alphax ^τεχ 13:58, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

Guys, just posting a link to here on people's talk pages is good enough to attract interested parties. Transcluding this screws up section editing on all affected talk pages. And I don't think I'll get the new message alert anyway if this is transcluded. Lupo 14:07, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Help us decide a name then! Alphax ^τεχ 15:07, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

As to coordinating scripts for the Monobook skin: what's the objective? A library of plug-in JavaScript snippets? A manual for the CSS used? Lupo 14:07, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

Yes, a library of plugins. Alphax ^τεχ 15:07, 10 August 2005 (UTC)

I can try to help with css more than js btw as I'm much better than that (but still not that good). If anyone needs a person to double check stuff I also have a bit o' time on me hands =) This project looks cool though. Sasquatch↔讲↔看 19:42, August 10, 2005 (UTC)

What is the link to the monobook project? - Ta bu shi da yu 00:12, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

There isn't one yet, we need a name and to decide where it should be located (on WP:, meta:, commons:)... Alphax ^τεχ 04:04, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

I think it should be in the Wikipedia namespace. Good idea, btw. - Ta bu shi da yu 04:18, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Though I know very little about JS and how it works and most of the stuff on my monobook.js is just copied and pasted I'd be willing to join since I've been meaning to learn javascript and it would be a good way to put real use to it. I also think it should be on the WP: namespace btw. Jtkiefer ^{T | @ | C} ----- 15:53, August 11, 2005 (UTC)

My suggestion for a name could be Wikipedia:WikiProject User scripts. – ABCD✉ 21:11, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

I am currently creating a demo at User:ABCD/WikiProject User scripts. – ABCD✉ 22:25, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I'm closing this thread. Take it there, folks! Alphax ^τεχ 23:44, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Monobook

It's an attempt to develop a unified script plugin system. Thought you might be interested. It will likely be a wikiproject. Will notify you of further developments. Alphax ^τεχ 14:04, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Belletjes plastic

(voor vraag zie: nl:Wikipedia:De_kroeg#Belletjes_plastic)

Een vertaling van Bubble wrap zou zeer passend zijn. Gebruiker:Dedalus 20:05, 12 August 2005 (UTC)

Volgens mij is de vertaling noppenfolie. Micha Streppel 06:31, 13 August 2005 (UTC)

Vertaling?

Bubblewrap vertalen? Als je er zin aan hebt. Hier zijn er nog een paar: nl:Gebruiker:Rex/Lijst.

Thanks

Thanks for spotting I'd put the IfD tag in the userpage rather than the discussion. Average Earthman 15:01, 16 August 2005 (UTC)

Jive.exe

I've already done so. Both User:JYolkowski [1] and I thought it was just fine for a stub. In its short life it has been speedied several times, recreated from scratch once by the longsuffering author, and restored from archive twice by me. If you look at the current version you'll see that it was very easy to expand to the point where it will probably easily survive VfD. --Tony Sidaway^Talk 11:17, 18 August 2005 (UTC)

standards of measure pages

I saw where you voted for deletion on the 100 royal cubits stub on the grounds it was just like some other pages.

Please take a closer look at a few and see if you don't think they are developing their own individual identities.

All of these pages are in the process of being edited by me and at the same time vandalized by the same people who are voting against them.

Egil, Ken, Gene, Drini and Zoe are removing wikified content, reverting pages, deleting references and making it very difficult to get them organized. For people to vote for deletion on the grounds that a page is original research and then delete the references that prove it isn't seems wrong to me so I'm looking for ways to get them to stop.

I'm trying to collect references that connect feet, remen, cubits, great cubits, elles, yards, paces, fathoms etc; with divisions of plowed fields and standards of measure that remain unchanged for 6000 years because they define property rather than body measures.

bd Pous Pes ni bw remen

iku Khet 100 Royal cubits st3t 3ht 3kr aroura actus area are acre Egyptian fields

Myle Milliare Mille passus Mille Passus Statute mile in the UK

21,000 royal cubits River journey Itrw Sos the minute of march atur schoenus

already deleted since August 5, 2005

Standards of measure Standards of measure in the Jemdet Nasr Standards of measure in Iron Age Europe Standards of measure in Medieval Europe Standards of measure in the Copper Age Standards of measure in the Modern West Standards of measure in the Pre Conquest Americas Standards of measure in the Medieval East Standards of measure in the Medieval East Standards of measure in the Modern West Standards of measure in the Modern West Mile Standards

thanks,

Rktect 04:29, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for responding. The point about that particular page is that it helps evidence a common system.

This is not a new concept, but rather a collection of many ideas which have been circulating for a long time that collectively may have far ranging implications for IE and AA linguistics.

If a common set of standards for measure were spread across several ancient cultures the linguistic and cultural implications are that cognates could be borrowed as sets of jargon rather than individually.

The concept of words being borrowed as sets of jargon supports language developing with civilization rather than before the introduction of agriculture.

It supports the concept of defined standards of measure that were shared across several different language groups being linked to definitions of property, the form of contracts and commerce.

The idea of systematic cognates being shared across language groups has other implications such as that in a time of general illiteracy certain occupations such as scribes were able to network internationally and agree upon things like rates of exchange.

Taken together with the rest of the items in the list above, the demonstration that there was a shared agreement to measure fields in lengths of 100 cubits becomes a key piece of evidence for the thesis that ancient cultures had systematic standards of measure that went beyond rules of thumb because they could be shared and maintained with some consistancy over large areas.

Putting all that aside for the moment, do you agree that when the pages change so should the votes? Rktect 10:10, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

Sure Rktect 10:23, August 22, 2005 (UTC)

Thwog

Thanks for putting the VfD tag in place on the Thwog article. After I had created the VFD entry and listed it on the page I completely forgot to add the actual VFD tag to the article :-o --Sherool 10:52, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Omar Hegazi

Yeah, I noticed that a moment later... oopsie... :P I was thinking it might be worth sticking a Template:DeletedPage in the spot and blocking edits... Just in case he is on a dynamic ip. Either way, your call. Usrnme h8er 11:57, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

• Constantly a step ahead of me eh? Well fine, be that way. :) Usrnme h8er 12:00, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

DYK

I always archive the last DYK when I make the new one that way any tweaks to wording, links etc are in the archived version. It seems to be working pretty well.--nixie 13:00, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

• I haven't heard about the bots, the last archive of the talk page was done manually as far as I know. It's good to see DYK getting so many suggestions, the template really needs to be updated 2-3 times a day too keep up with the increase in material thanks to interest + the extended time.--nixie 13:12, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Aristotle

For future reference: besides not marking my workspace temp article for speedee dee-lete (a trick I now know), did I make a mistake here? I followed what I thought was standard WP practice for doing major edits to an article... Alba 17:17, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

User:212.36.213.26

Well, I disagree strongly. Have you checked User:212.36.213.26's contributions? Contrary to your assertion, they are ALL from the same person, as evidenced by the fact that they are all to the same article. All are vandalism. If it is indeed a "network provider" in the Netherlands, it's a vandal network provider. I'm sick of people like him, who have nothing better to do than vandalize articles. If he reoffends, I will block the guy again. David Cannon 01:07, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Adjusted Antinous image

Please weigh in with your ideas - I lightened and darkened the background - do either of the modified images speak to your critique? Thanks again. -- RyanFreisling @ 17:42, 23 August 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Sydney J Bush.. UK Optometrist/inventor/researcher

Please revisit the discussion. Uncle G 11:35:37, 2005-08-24 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Kylesaur

Another admin says BJAODN. :) Grutness...wha? 12:35, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

My bad. Never voted a whole lot on deletion

Sorry about that. I missed that part at the bottom... didn't get much past the bit about the more complicated votes. I'll make the change. Roodog2k 22:33, 25 August 2005 (UTC)

Reference desk "all" page

Hello MacGyverMagic! Just got rid of the protection on WP:RD/ALL page. I think it's better that way too. --HappyCamper 22:55, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

English on the Internet

You and others made a note on the English on the Internet VfD that it needed extensive clean-up. I have provided the bare bones of a better article with a different focus. If you'd like to re-vote plz do. I think in general it's a topic that should stay. Thanks. Marskell 16:51, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

Re: Little Astrology Prince

As I've mentioned on the vfd, I don't think an English language-based online bookseller would be interested in a book which is not published in English, even if more than a hundred thousand copies are sold. Nevertheless Wikipedia is a central hub and the crossroad of all knowledge on Earth, and shouldn't be subjected to any language barrier. — Instantnood 19:05, August 27, 2005 (UTC)

What I currently have confirmed is that the information on the number of copies sold and how long it was a bestseller is taken from the astprince.com website. I am trying to look for the archives of the lists of bestsellers for each month compiled by bookstore chains. But then since the book was published in 1998, I have not found such an old list on the Internet yet. — Instantnood 22:22, August 27, 2005 (UTC)