User talk:Makyen

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Midi Mist[edit]

I note that in the last four months or so you entered an anchor on the table element "Midi Mist", an atomic test on the page Operation Latchkey. This is not a problem, though I would like to inquire as to what depends upon the anchor. The page (and all atomic test list pages) are generated by a database program, which has no way to generate the anchor code automatically at this point. The question is whether I need to program it in, or was it only temporarily in use? Thanks for your help. SkoreKeep (talk) 23:05, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

@SkoreKeep:The anchor was, and is, used as a target for a link from Lookout Mountain Air Force Station#Productions.
I am surprised that these are updated in a semi-automatic process from a database. I can certainly understand initially creating such pages from a database, but having them updated from a database has the inherent issue of making it such that any changes made by other editors are either discarded or have to be back-ported to the method of generation. While I don't want to make an issue of it, having such pages updated from a database appears to have some significant Wikipedia policy based issues. This is particularly true when it is not stated in the page, not even in a Wiki-comment, that the page is generated in that manner. Without having it disclosed, and both the database and process for generation available for others to edit, it effectively makes the pages WP:OWNED by the person who has charge of the database and process.
I appreciate your asking me about the anchor rather than just overwriting the contents of the page. One solution would be to have an anchor for each test rather than just a special case for Midi Mist. If there is an anchor for each test then individual tests could be linked when referred to elsewhere instead of having to link to just the page. The longer the list, the more benefit there is to being able to link to individual tests. — Makyen (talk) 00:28, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply. To answer your posting...
No, I was not aware that the generation of the data from a database was against any policy, but I take your point, now that it's made. I have made it a practice to assure that all changes made to the pages since the last regeneration are expressed and incorporated, it is that process that I'm doing now, and which detected your anchor. While I haven't made a specific note on the pages themselves about it since I started this effort last October, I can see as how it might be a very good idea, and I'll see to it.
I certainly don't believe that I own the pages. I've had several knowledgeable people give me suggestions, and I've in all cases, I believe, informed them about the source of the data. I am by all means receptive to criticism, corrections, and crave information that I don't have. However, in the collection there are about 220 pages, and hand-editing them would seem to be a pretty error-prone trade-off. Finally, I've gone through several generations of formatting the data for uniform content and appearance.
So, I like your idea about anchoring all the tests; that makes the change required easily done, and useful. I'll also place some kind of notice about the automatic generation of the pages - an article in each talk page would be the best way, I think. In the long run, I'm also attempting to find others who might be interested in the database itself, and I hoped that perhaps this would be one vehicle for that. Rest assured your link won't be dropped. If you have any further suggestions or comments, please feel no hesitation to contact me. Thanks again for your message.
Oh, one thing you can tell me, I think - to whom should I address an inquiry in a policy-determining position about this? I'm not uncomfortable doing so, and if they determine that I'm out of bounds, or care to make suggestions themselves, I'd be all ears. SkoreKeep (talk) 04:14, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Makyen, I'm performing the due diligence you mentioned above and I had neglected. Please see Talk:List of nuclear weapons. I'd appreciate any comments you have either there publicly, here, or on Talk:SkoreKeep. Thanks. SkoreKeep (talk) 01:21, 15 August 2014 (UTC)


Hi, I've commented on the ISBN:Talk page on your removal of my edit to the ISBN article page. Would appreciate if you could read & respond. Many thanks Mmitchell10 (talk) 21:45, 29 September 2014 (UTC)

Done. Comment left at Talk:International Standard Book Number. Sorry for the delay. — Makyen (talk) 18:12, 2 October 2014 (UTC)


I am having trouble with the two sfns in the footnotes, which don't link to the book that is cited when you click on them. I don't know what I did wrong. Please take a look under the bonnet. 7&6=thirteen () 15:52, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Duh. Thanks. 7&6=thirteen () 18:16, 2 October 2014 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Most of the following you have already realized, but some may be explicit information which might help, or not... and since I had already written it...
The issue was that the link generated by the {{sfn}} did not match the link generated from using |ref=harv in the reference to which you desired to link. The {{sfn}} generated a link to #CITEREFDixon2007 whereas the {{Cite book}} was defining an available link to #CITEREFDixon.2C_Geoffrey_R.2007. This is because the {{sfn}} had been told that the author was Dixon when the {{Cite book}} had |author=Dixon, Geoffrey R.. If you want to just use the last name as the reference in {{sfn}}, you need to use the |last= and |first= parameters to the citation templates. In this instance: |last=Dixon and |first=Geoffrey R..
If you are going to be using {{sfn}} and short references, you might want to add the following to your common.js
//Place error notes for incomplete/malformed harvard citations.
importScript('User:Ucucha/HarvErrors.js'); //Backlink: [[User:Ucucha/HarvErrors.js]]
                                           //  [[User:Ucucha/HarvErrors]]
//The check for citations that have no links pointing to them is prone to false positives, 
//because citations do not always need to have such links. Disable such checks.
window.checkLinksToCitations = false;

This will result in such errors showing up with some explanation text in large bold red text at the point where they occur. These are a bit more helpful vs. having to go only by checking the links.— Makyen (talk) 18:34, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Copied all of this. Thanks. 7&6=thirteen () 18:40, 2 October 2014 (UTC)

Kollasmosoma sentum[edit]

Another problem. Sigh. Sorry to bother you. Can't figure out what I've done wrong. 7&6=thirteen () 19:35, 13 October 2014 (UTC)

Figured it out. Never mind. Sorry to bother you. 7&6=thirteen () 20:01, 13 October 2014 (UTC)