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Quantum thermodynamics

While I was a dissenter, I agree there was eventual consensus to redirect this article. I do not, however, see such a consensus for deletion. Perhaps you were overzealous in this case? I would like to hear your reasoning. Thanks, Mark viking (talk) 20:08, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused by your comment: I don't believe that I deleted anything--I think I just redirected it. Otherwise, I agree that eventually a redirect consensus emerged. You can still access the contents of the page through page history, even though it's been redirected. Could you clarify what you mean? Mark Arsten (talk) 20:12, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. Comparing previous and current versions in the edit history for the Quantum thermodynamics page shows both the addition of a redirect tag to the Quantum statistical mechanics page and the deletion of the page's contents, a net change of -6,988 characters. Am I misinterpreting? Mark viking (talk) 20:28, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Yes, that's correct. When a page is redirected, all of its contents are removed (but accessible in page history) and the contents are replaced with #REDIRECT [[Name of page that this has been redirected to]]. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:31, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the explanation and sorry for blaming you for what was an automated deletion. While it is true that contents can be accessed in page history, redirects don't seem cheap to me anymore. Mark viking (talk) 20:49, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, it can be tough. Hope you're not discouraged. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:03, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

JEE Toppers

why did u delete

?   — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:39, 9 November 2012 (UTC) 
You can see the reasons offered for deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of IIT JEE Toppers (3rd nomination). I performed the deletion because I believed that the participants in the discussion had reached a consensus. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:30, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

You got mail stuff

Just what I hate about wikipeidia. If you and Floquenbeam feel the need, oh well. But count me out of anything further. Having enough trouble watching all the hypocrisy on wikipedia. Sorry to see you succumb. MathewTownsend (talk) 22:59, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Sorry if that offended you... it honestly had nothing to do with today's conflict though. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:03, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
well, why did it have to be conducted in secret then? MathewTownsend (talk) 23:29, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
Replied to you via e-mail, ironically. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:44, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Black Diesel

  • This message will go any and all pages that discuss your credibility Mark, and I want an exact report from you why the page was erased. You can email me the report at As your legislation page requests of me to, per your redirect. I don’t really agree this Mark is on the up and up. He has made bold lies to remove a page that has been on the site for years. It is believed he is in collusion with special interests to promote or sabotage with out following proper guild lines. Please Google search "black diesel". It comes up with thousands of articles on a new form of alternative fuel. It was listed as a nickname for a cultural method of alternative fuel and has been growing in magnitude the world over. A company perfected the method and has a product released worldwide that produces the alternative fuel. A few other lower tech versions are also commercially available. A week later, after years, the page is attacked. Please go to the erased black diesel page and look how one user which has several alternate identities, made comments to remove and Mark followed up by saying no such alternative fuel exists, by google search. The one multiple ID fellow has primary ID as E8. He seems to be a wind energy supporter most likely ethanol as well by the name. The guy is a sell out and caution needs to be taken. Thanks. (talk) 06:29, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
Hi, the page was erased because there was a consensus (WP:CON) that it did not meet our notability guidelines (WP:N). Please see WP:RS & WP:V for more information. If you still disagree with my closing, you can file to have it overturned at WP:DRV. Mark Arsten (talk) 13:30, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Not Evans

Now that that's over... if I find myself with free time and an urge to write about something American, I'll ping you. I was quite pleased by how that went (although you deserve most of the credit). — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:01, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Yes, that was a very pleasant time. You deserve a lot of credit too... I never would have pushed past GA without you. My next articles will be forays back into the wide world of unusual religious groups--Church of the SubGenius is up next. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:39, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Good luck with that, don't think I'll be able to review. I haven't even finished writing about Theory of Literature yet (I did finish Sair Tjerita Siti Akbari, which looks pretty good for an Indonesian subject that old). And now, with mid-terms... oh well, at least Post-co is easy enough: Nationalism in Armijn Pane's Kami, Perempuan. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:44, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Well, don't push yourself too hard. Remember to relax every now and then :) Mark Arsten (talk) 17:36, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Yes it is! I have a copy of Aliens Adored on my bookshelf... hopefully I'll get around to improving one of our articles on the topic. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:44, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Interesting indeed. I'll try and not stress too much. We've been watching InuYasha when I can steal some time to be with the Mrs — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:14, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Sounds like a good way to wind down :) Mark Arsten (talk) 22:41, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
  • I'd much rather do Wikipedia work, but if I ignore her she ends up ...  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:44, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
  • I hope she's not watching this page! Mark Arsten (talk) 22:51, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
  • She doesn't even want to read my (Indonesian-language) featured articles. Let alone something in English. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:06, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Well, I guess you're safe then! Mark Arsten (talk) 23:10, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Recent GAN

Hey there Mark. Seeing as you just finished the GAN on Tropical Storm Kammuri (2002), I wanted to point out that someone has already started a good article review. I felt like you should know. Cheers! --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 23:13, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Wow, that was quick, less than an hour. Thanks for the note... I feel like there's some history I'm missing here. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:16, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Articles requested per fair use

Tropical storm hits Macau

Tropical storm claims 10 lives, ...

Storm hits southern China coast. Says at least 9 though.

Odd, there's a similar, but slightly different headline at Highbeam. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:06, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
There are three versions. A second version of the article. A third version of it. Probably corrections.

Meteorologists expect . . .

Please let me know if you have issues or when done. Churn and change (talk) 02:14, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

Peace Barnstar Hires.png The Barnstar of Diplomacy
Thanks a lot for backing me up on Kammuri and going through all of that work. It really means a lot! ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:31, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the barnstar! Mark Arsten (talk) 02:34, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
Definitely. If you ever need any copyediting, lemme know! Sourcing, on the other hand, might prove controversial :P --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:41, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
lol, thanks for the offer. I've been working on Church of the SubGenius lately. Any copyediting help with that would be much appreciated. It's kind of a funny topic, but I've tried to treat it as encyclopedic as possible. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:47, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
Definitely I can give that a look! I don't want to GA review it, in case people accuse of quid pro quo or something, but I'll give it a read through and leave comments on the talk page. --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 02:56, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
Yes, that would be perfect. Hope you like it. It will be nice to have more feedback before someone picks it up for GA. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:58, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Louis Riel (comics)

I did a checklinks which said there're are five dead ones. But they seem fixed? MathewTownsend (talk) 18:41, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, that tool's not infallible, so it's good to check the ones that it flags manually, as well. I had it show a link as dead the other day that loaded fine when I clicked on it. I've never fixed the dead ones with the wayback machine before, but I guess it's not that hard once you learn how. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:44, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Webcitation... be preemptive. Hence why my FAs should probably not have to be delisted for dead links. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:47, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Ballon d'Or (1956–2009)

Hi Mark, I recently listed this article for protection at WP:Requests for protection which you protected and stated if the vandalism persists to contact you. Since the lifting of the protection, it has persisted, so I was wondering if we could get something a bit more permanent or whether should I go back to the requestse page. Cheers. NapHit (talk) 19:44, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, I escalated to one month for protection... my same offer applies to the expiry of this one though too. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:12, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
Thank you, if it persists once this expires I'll let you know. NapHit (talk) 20:34, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Is it allowed in Wikipedia?

Hello, Mark

Quick question: Someone has used this sentence in a WP:FAR discussion against me:

I also note that Codename Lisa (the nominator at FAC) and Jasper Deng (another proponent at FAC) are also cited in another dispute, again for lack of balance in coverage of another Microsoft product. This is beginning to look very suspicious indeed.

Is it allowed in Wikipedia?

Best regards,
Codename Lisa (talk) 08:24, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

No, not really. Will look into it. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:36, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Not without some serious diffs, at least. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:42, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
  • In any case, there are so many things wrong with that FAR that it will probably be speedy closed within the next day or two. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:59, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Eye color article

Mark, the same IP is back at it at the Eye color article. I don't know what to tell this IP anymore, aside from "In this case, you can't add a source asserting that that's what the image is of." And that they need to better read over WP:Reliable sources and WP:Verifiability. Flyer22 (talk) 01:12, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, I semi-protected the eye color article for a while. Let me know if you have trouble with them on any others. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:22, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Thank you a lot, Mark. Flyer22 (talk) 02:22, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Peaks article

Hey man. One of the sources you suggested I check out for "Episode 14" seems to be behind a paywall. If you can access it, would you mind firing me a copy to have a look at? Otherwise I can't really vet it for use. :P If you can't access it, I can try WP:RX, it was great before for Eraserhead. GRAPPLE X 01:17, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

No, I don't have immediate access, checking with the RX would probably be best. That Church and Change fellow is pretty quick with them lately. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:22, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

List of unreleased Lady Gaga songs

Hey Mark, I never saved any of my info from my List of unreleased Lady Gaga songs that was deleted. Are you able to take the info and move it to my sandbox so I can update it before including it with List of songs recorded by Lady Gaga? The page wasn't available before and now it is. I'd like to merge the info like other artists have.--MrIndustry (talk) 16:42, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Ok, sure. It's at User:MrIndustry/List of unreleased Lady Gaga songs now. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:46, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Fast! Thanks so much Mark!--MrIndustry (talk) 16:47, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
Yeah, you caught me at just the right time :) Mark Arsten (talk) 16:51, 24 October 2012 (UTC)


Once I'm finished erecting Frank's Cock (see what I did there?), would you be willing to give a non-formal peer review? I may put it up for PR too later. Right now I'm trying to get to FA before I go on DYK :-D — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:22, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

lol, sure, I'll do a informal (or even formal) review--sounds kinda hard though. And if you ever have time, I have an article at PR too. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:28, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
Ok, looks pretty interesting, I'll try to post some comments tomorrow. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:37, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Oh, I'm not done yet! Still have a bit of developing, and the lead (head?) needs to be bigger. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:38, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Okay, more or less as big as it'll get. Waiting on some feedback from RX for something, but that's minor. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:36, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
    • Yeah, it's nice to have some articles about art films, nice change of pace from all the mainstream stuff. Mark Arsten (talk) 12:56, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
      • Indeed. I don't wanna be called a one trick horse! (Mind you, Catholic bishops are quite different than Muslim soldiers or films on child molestation, but that's all Indonesian so...) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:16, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
        • Yeah, I'd like to avoid that too. Kind of what I was going for with Meth Mouth. Mark Arsten (talk) 13:40, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
          • Well, you do have Prosperity theology under your belt. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:21, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
            • Yeah, I guess I don't have anything to complain about. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:26, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
              • Evans is a little outta left field for you too, as was Anderson. As a side note: is feeling nasty today. Nazis, fetishes, and a human hair cave. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:33, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
                • Oh yes, probably for Halloween? Ehh, it is a little early for that though. Do they have Halloween in Indonesia? Mark Arsten (talk) 14:38, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
                  • I saw some bats in a sports store, but nothing on the scale as what they have back home. Almost makes me feel sorry for my kids, when I get some. No medicine like tooth-rotting candy. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:40, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
                    • lol, reminds me of the December I spent looking for Christmas decorations in Morocco. I eventually saw a couple. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:42, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
                      • Bare-bones Christmas decorations are fairly simple to find, and you can even rent Santa suits (I'm wearing one in some FB pictures). However, most families that celebrate Christmas keep it religious and don't exchange gifts. At least there's nothing like Japan's "KFC is a traditional Christmas dinner" — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:46, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
                        • Yeah, I guess there are probably more Christians in Indonesia than Morocco. Japan is a very funny country... don't think I'll spend Christmas there though. Also, I'm worried that Sandy will interfere with my Wikipedia editing, she sure is vicious. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:53, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
                          • Oh my, keep an eye on that. Merapi's been calm here, so unless those Mayans were onto something... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:05, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Left some comments at the PR, going to bed now. I think for this one you may have to break out actual SubGenius literature as the information on their beliefs is a little light. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:52, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
    • Essentially, in several places you hint at information which you don't present in the article. I've noted a couple at the PR — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:53, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
      • Ok, thanks for the comments, just finished reading your article a minute ago. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:57, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
        • Thanks for the comments. Odd how an 8-minute long Canadian film can have almost as much text as an 83-minute Indonesian film. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:18, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
          • Yeah, that is odd, but I guess that's how things are. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:55, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
            • Indeed. I've asked Cas to take a look too (he did the GA review). Should be a fairly simple FAC... after Sudirman passes. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:00, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Freeway Jam

The Master and Steve Lukather. Kiefer.Wolfowitz 23:52, 27 October 2012 (UTC)

Wow, sounds pretty good! Mark Arsten (talk) 23:57, 27 October 2012 (UTC)


Ha ha! It is done! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:41, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Wow, that is an impressive project there--I'll have to take a look at it soon. TK might be interested in it too, actually. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:21, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
  • I don't know how much she goes for the academic aspect, but yeah it may be right up her alley. I'm probably going to add a couple images if I can find relevant ones. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:36, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
  • Looking at it again, I can see why it took a while to finish that. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:39, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
  • lol, yeah, bit of a break from the usual then. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:57, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Deletion of Jonathan Shipley (writer)

Hi, I'm George Page (TGAPGeorge), the author of the page for Jonathan Shipley (writer). I do know the author, I have read many of his works, and I like to consider us friends. I created his page because of his extensive list of published works, and that he continues to publish stories each year.

Today, I was going to add four more 2012 publications to his list when I discovered y'all had deleted all my work. I'd like to talk about why this was done, and address a few issues with this whole process.

There are two main problems I have at the moment: 1. Why wasn't I notified? At least a quick email letting me know the page was in jeopardy would have been appreciated. I might have been able to help, explain, or taken directions for changes.

2. "Non-Notable" seems to be the theme for the deletion of this page. I won't be petty and ask to see a list of published works (non-wikipedia) of those who decided Shipley wasn't worthy. Instead, I will point out a consistent, record of being published numerous times over a span of thirty years. The most notable include stories published in two volumes of Marion Zimmer Bradley's anthology, Sword & Sorceress. The S&S anthology has come out every year for the past twenty-eight years, is sold around the world, and copies of various years can still be found on the bookshelves of Barnes and Noble and the like. It is a very notable anthology, and any story published in the anthology is very notable as well. Elizabeth Waters, the current editor of the Sword & Sorceress anthology would not appreciate her work as being described as "non-notable".

Hadley Rille Books (see wikipedia page) has published two of Shipley's works. It would be interesting for them to know that their books are non-notable as well.

In general, if there are links, or cites, or anything that put nails in this page's coffin, that is my fault. Shipley's page was my first major wikipedia piece, and it's very possible I made mistakes. I read scores of articles in the help section before I wrote anything, but those aren't very clear to begin with, and do not give very good direction or advice. I have no problem with the sub-pages getting deleted; there were not complete, and I wasn't sure if I was doing them right anyway. However, the main page, Jonathan Shipley (writer), should not be deleted.

Thank you for your time,

George Page

TGAPGeorge (talk) 05:58, 29 October 2012 (UTC)TGAPGeorge

Hi, I'll answer your questions in order: 1. While it would have been polite of the nominator to notify you, they're not technically required to do so. 2. The page was deleted because there was a consensus (WP:CON) that it did not meet our notability guidelines (WP:N). Please see WP:RS & WP:V for more information. Can you provide links to newspapers, magazines, or books that discuss Mr. Shipley? If so, we might be able to have the page restored, at least temporarily. You can apply to have the deletion overturned at WP:DRV if you think I made an error. See WP:AUTHOR for specific arguments that could be helpful in restoring the page. 3. The polish of the page shouldn't play a role in deletion, so I don't think it's your fault. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:07, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

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Much obliged for venturing once more into the strange world of pre-war English cricket! Non-cricketers always appreciated, and I always ask someone to check the cricket side of things as well. Sarastro1 (talk) 19:07, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

No problem, my pleasure. I have a few sections left will probably get to them tomorrow. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:09, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Broadleaf Commerce Deletion

Hi there Mark - I'm the Director of Marketing for Broadleaf Commerce and noted the company's Wiki was deleted - is there anything I can do to have it restored? Thanks in advance - appreciate the Wiki crowd! ~Brad — Preceding unsigned comment added by Buhlstyle (talkcontribs) 13:35, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi Brad, the article was deleted because it was concluded that there was insufficient media coverage of the company. It is difficult to have deleted pages restored, but if you can provide multiple detailed articles from established magazines/newspapers/books about the company, you can apply to have the deletion overturned at WP:DRV. See WP:GNG and WP:RS for details on what would have to be provided. Good luck, Mark Arsten (talk) 15:54, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Mourdock article title

I've just commented on the talk page for that article. But due to urgent BLP issues, I'm bringing this to your talk page as well. The problem with the current title is that it includes "pregnancy . . . from rape . . . god intended" while leaving out "horrible situation". This makes Mourdock's quote appear worse than it acutally was. If you are going to have an article about a quote, it's not fair to cherry pick the worst parts. William Jockusch (talk) 15:57, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

I tend to agree with your criticism of the article's title, I've moved it. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:04, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Just for fun

Not sure what got me thinking about this, but I just nominated an article for TFA that sounds like the ones you normally work on. Meet Luke P. Blackburn, Kentucky's accused-bioterrorist-turned-governor! Thought you might find it an interesting read on a slow day sometime. If you find it main page worthy, you can drop a note at WP:TFA. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 17:59, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Hey, that does sound interesting, I'll have to check that out. Thanks for the tip! Mark Arsten (talk) 18:01, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

A something-or-other for you!

Human Rights Barnstar.png The Human Rights Barnstar
For contributing one of the twelve featured articles of WikiProject Human Rights. -- Khazar2 (talk) 18:27, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
I was just admiring it again this afternoon--congratulations on a great article. -- Khazar2 (talk) 18:27, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Thank you, it was a tough article to write, but I'm glad that I did. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:29, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
free popcorn

'tis the season

Thank you for doing it, are you ready for special treats? All the way to the bottom for United Nations Convention Against Torture, 8 years ago ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:01, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Thank you for the popcorn :) Mark Arsten (talk) 23:47, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for playing a good part in the story ;)
ps: do you have an idea who wrote it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:57, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Oh, I see now, very interesting. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:06, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
  • I just read that after seeing it here. Interesting read. BTW Mark, when do you think you'll bring CotSG to GA? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:21, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Probably pretty soon. Someone picked it out of the GAN queue last weekend, so I'm just waiting for his comments at the moment. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:31, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Oh, kewlz. I'm waiting for S to finish at FA before bringing FC there. (TB is taking forever at GAC) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:37, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Good reviewers are hard to find, but there are some out there! Mark Arsten (talk) 23:41, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Indeed. I think part of it is because the subject is so far out of their comfort zone. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:09, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

I suggested Alexis Bachelot for TFA, there's a debate you may want to take part in. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 01:15, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the note! Mark Arsten (talk) 02:48, 16 November 2012 (UTC)


Hello sir,Auto wiki browser using rights are just approved to me but found little difficulty in understanding user manual .I have seen alerts but didnt get how to find and fix them from whole article within the the edit box of software.Thanx---zeeyanketu talk to me 20:42, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Hi, to be honest, I use AWB regularly but generally just for typo fixing. I'm not sure if I've done much with the alerts at all. I think the best place to ask for help would be Wikipedia talk:AutoWikiBrowser. Good luck, Mark Arsten (talk) 21:02, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Ok I will ask there then please tell me how to do typofixing exactly because i dont want to commit any mistake.---zeeyanketu talk to me
To fix typos, you go to the "options" tab and click "Enable RegexTypoFix" on the bottom of the screen. Then you just have to make a list of pages to check (use the source drop-down box on the center of the left side of the screen, go to random pages if you can't think of anything specific to check) and then go to the "start" tab and click start. That should do it. Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/User manual might be of help, I'm a bit of a novice about some of its functions. Good luck, Mark Arsten (talk) 22:41, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

A bowl of strawberries for you!

Erdbeerteller01.jpg Thanx a lot ! I got it. Have a great day ahead.Take care :) ---zeeyanketu talk to me 07:21, 2 November 2012 (UTC)
You're welcome, glad to hear it! Mark Arsten (talk) 14:13, 2 November 2012 (UTC)

Boris Malagurski

Hi Mark!

I terribly sorry to bother you, but I noticed that you previously protected the Boris Malagurski article so that only established editors can edit it - I think there might be a need for that protection once again. Several anons have appeared, all inserting a sentence that has as a reference - a YouTube video, in violation of WP:COPYLINK. I reverted a couple of times, now realizing that I might have broken the 3RR - if I did, I apologize and I'll stop reverting anyways (I already gave tons of input on the matter on the talk page), but could you advise me on how I should respond? And is there anything you can do to help?

Thanks a bunch,

--UrbanVillager (talk) 01:14, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I protected--that was pretty clear cut. BTW, reverting copyvios is an exception to 3RR. You might want to try to explain to the IP on his talk page though. Let me know if there are any other issues. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:21, 3 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Mark! Cheers, --UrbanVillager (talk) 01:30, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Hi Mark! I've noticed that you've protected the Boris Malagurski page and that's cool, but can you please instruct a content editor (or something similar) to have a look-see at the issue in question, and several issues raised prior. Several editors appear to have an issue with UrbanVillager, citing he is editing the page without giving due process to neutrality and including all angles of the matter at hand. I only raise this issue because one-leaning articles irk me so. Thanks for your consideration. -- (talk) 01:28, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello, sorry if you've been confused about the reverting and protection. The issue was that you were linking to a mirror of a newscast, which is technically not allowed here (you would have to link to the news stations website or official YouTube channel for it to be allowed). The best way to get input from uninvolved editors about neutrality would be posting a new section at the Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard or maybe the Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard. You'll usually be able to get comments from fresh editors at one of those. Let me know if you have any more questions. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:40, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

---I understand. Thank you for the clarification, but I assumed that my YouTube post was credible because it is broadcast on Boris Malagurski's official YouTube Channel. Is that also not considered official enough, since Boris Malagurski is the one in question、and he is the one broadcasting a CTV news report?  -- (talk) 02:37, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, copyright is the issue here. CTV owns the rights to the broadcast, so we only link to it if the site is run by the network or on the network's official channel. The WP:COPYLINK guideline explains things in more detail. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:59, 3 November 2012 (UTC)

Hello again Mark!

You mentioned that I could let you know if there were any issues with the article. Well, I think I might need some guidance. I've been very active on the Boris Malagurski and The Weight of Chains (Malagurski's film) articles, and I feel like the discussion on the talk pages with some editors is going nowhere. To be precise, the IP address above, together with and Opbeith, who apparently have personal or ideological issues with Malagurski and his film, and openly state that on the talk pages, are attempting to alter the articles using, as references, self-published blogs and websites which all fail WP:RELIABLE - I read it through.

The thing is that all the reliable references on the articles have a neutral or positive view of Malagurski, while the only criticism of his work that can be found is by individual unreliable bloggers. I suggested the creation of a "Criticism" section when criticism published by reliable sources appears, but have received personal attacks as replies - some have accused me of being biased, even being Boris Malagurski himself! I feel like the moment I suggest something short of attacking Malagurski and his films, I'm labelled as "biased" by these editors.

Now, I'm a nice guy and I really don't like arguing, I'm the kind of person who likes compromises and have always been able to reach compromises with people who also seek them. I tried turning the other cheek and attempting to discuss on how to make the Boris Malagurski article better (instead of engaging in a discussion about what Wikipedia editors personally think about Malagurski and his work), but got met with more personal attacks, specifically by Opbeith. I have no interest in there not being a critical note in the articles, but only if its published by a reliable source, am I right to hold that position? I'd like to discuss these articles with Wikipedia editors who want to make the articles better, but the editors I mentioned are clogging up talk page space by discussing personal opinions on the topic, copy/pasting sentences from blogs,... pretty much acting like Wikipedia is an Internet forum.

Sorry if I'm bothering you with all this information, but I don't know what else to do. I tried informing them that Wikipedia is not the place for those kinds of discussions, but this had no effect. Mark, what should I do? Regards, --UrbanVillager (talk) 02:15, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Oh hey, sorry that I forgot to respond to this. It totally slipped my mind last week. I only have a minute, but I think you might want to go to WP:DR or WP:ANI depending on how clear the disruption is (ANI will only work for clear disruption). Sorry that I can't be more help, Mark Arsten (talk) 18:00, 13 November 2012 (UTC)

DFW Parking

RE: Armin Cruz Sr DFW VP of Parking I was an employee of the DFW Airport for a number of years......It is common knowledge he was the father of Armin Cruz, the person convicted of the war crimes...awkward, yes, but fact.....not sure how else to phrase it...... (talk) 00:54, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Unfortunately, we need sources to state that. See WP:RS & WP:V for details. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:55, 4 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Yes, good point, I should have mentioned that. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:59, 4 November 2012 (UTC)


Hi Mark worked on the above article and added reliable sources to the article . Help me to add the article under the title Kagapujandar. Arulraja (talk) 15:23, 4 November 2012 (UTC) Arulraja

Hi Arulraja, glad to see that you've been working on the article. I'm unfamiliar with the subject area, so I'm hesitant to make a decision one way or another here. I think it would be best if you filed to have the deletion overturned at WP:DRV, noting that you wish to have the draft reinstated. That way you can get feedback from multiple editors. Regards, Mark Arsten (talk) 15:39, 4 November 2012 (UTC)


[1] --Rschen7754 19:45, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the note, I'll take it up with him. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:56, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Saw your comment..

..on AN/I, re Wikipediocracy and interaction bans. Maybe an interaction ban between Wikipediocracy members and Wikipedia editors? Face-smile.svg Rich Farmbrough, 06:49, 5 November 2012 (UTC).

lol, that just might work! :) Mark Arsten (talk) 13:07, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

List of songs recorded by Lady Gaga

Hi Mark, will you please add your opinion to this talk page? I would like an admin's opinion over this condescending child thinking he's an admin. Talk:List of songs recorded by Lady Gaga --TV | talk 23:53, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

  • Replied there. TV, "condescending child" is getting close to personal attack territory. You may want to be careful. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:17, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
  • @TV, Crisco is much more experienced with list articles than I am, so you're probably better off getting his opinion. Thanks for the help Crisco. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:22, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
    • Don't mention it! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:37, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
      • Condescending is a fact (look at the comments), child is another fact (he's 20). Thanks for your replies! --TV | talk 00:49, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
        • One person's child is another person's adult. He's old enough to vote where he is, so he's legally an adult. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:19, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

stale user draft

the user hasnt edited this page (nor any page) since you userfied this User:Yfever/Thirty Years of Research on Race Differences in Cognitive Ability after the afd. does it go through an MFD or does the Afd apply for a speedy? -- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 06:15, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

I think it would go to Mfd--I'm not sure that there's a speedy for stale drafts. Mark Arsten (talk) 13:57, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Australian Christian Lobby

Thank you for trying to resolve the dispute re the Australian Christian Lobby. Editor Dominus Vobisdu does not seem to want to resolve the issues. He does not appear to even read the resolution-discussions. He makes little or no contribution to discussion. ("Not at all interested. Never was". - but yet again, can delete within 6 minutes). In his latest ACL TP contribution he provided a single (was-easily-refuted) sentence. He even ignores Wikipedia's Core content policy - No original research Appreciate you advice here. Sam56mas (talk) 22:50, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, I suggest you open a thread to discuss the latest revert on the talk page, then hopefully a few users will chime in. Then if he reverts again you can demonstrate that he's against consensus. Also, you might ask Hahc21 for his opinion, too. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:59, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

That edit i did

Indeed that comment was not exactly the most intellectually valid edit. I personally just find that whole article to be stereo typed and inadequate. I do however feel that the addition of a section perhaps briefly covering the varied "sub" subcultures within goth would greatly enhance the article, groups such as; Industrial goths, cyber goth(they're not the same thing)vaudeville goth and many others are not fairly represented in this article. An opinion that i'm sure would be shared by many goths themselves is that; as a subculture it is hugely diverse and impossible to make great sweeping inclusive statements such as seem to be displayed here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:11, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I suppose that's a reasonable point you make. I suggest you post that on the article's talk page, you might be able to draw some more interested editors to fix up the page a bit. Good luck, Mark Arsten (talk) 01:12, 7 November 2012 (UTC)


Fair enough the edits on the Jade Goody page are generally unpleasant, and i shall no longer do that, i was just "experimenting" as you say, to see what would happen. However the edits and concerns i have regarding the Gothic subculture page, i feel are valid and will endeavor to improve that page in a manner that is acceptable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:24, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok, please do concentrate on the goth page instead of the Goody page. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 01:26, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
You should be aware that there are several of us who revert vandalism such as yours, and in each case Mark has beaten me to the revert button. had he not reverted your vandalism, I would have. The best thing you can do for yourself right now is STOP before your account gets blocked. --Sue Rangell[citation needed] 01:29, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

HTML article vandalism seems to be sock

User talk:Jnelmark101 and User talk:Recon62 seem to be the same person, judging from what was added. LittleBen (talk) 03:01, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I'll keep an eye on him. Mark Arsten (talk) 13:35, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Bhutto semi-protect?

I noticed you had edited the Bhutto article. Its constantly under siege from editors wishing to change the sourced Rajput to Arain. This is probably a political "statement" of some kind. I've added a good RS and wondered if you would now consider a semi protect since most of the changes are made by IPs. Hopefully that will stabilize that article somewhat. I'll look for more academic-type sources soon to add to the source I just added. Thanks for your consideration.(olive (talk) 16:43, 7 November 2012 (UTC))

Oh... unless you consider yourself to be involved. (olive (talk) 16:45, 7 November 2012 (UTC))
Huh, I had forgotten all about that article. In fact, were my edits not in the history I wouldn't believe you. But anyway, I think there's a decent case for semiprotection here. I've semi-d for a week, if you have problems when that runs out I can do it for longer etc. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:00, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, that was fast. Yes, I dug through the history to see if an admin had been around and came up with your name. This reversion to Arain has been going on for a long time so I may be back soon for more help. Many thanks.(olive (talk) 17:04, 7 November 2012 (UTC))
Ok, sure, just let me know. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:08, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Looks like IPs have now taken user names and are vandalizing the Bhutto article. Changing a few words is a bother but vandalizing the source is a bit of a pain to fix. I'm not sure blocking the users will help. Might they just come back with new user names. I've warned this user and it looks like he's causing problems on other articles as well.[2]. Any help is appreciated. Thanks :O)(olive (talk) 14:34, 13 November 2012 (UTC))
Hmm, you might want to take them to the edit warring noticeboard if they keep reverting (WP:AN3). Mark Arsten (talk) 17:59, 13 November 2012 (UTC)
Ok thanks. I'll probably do that, although I don't see this as an edit war situation, or I wouldn't be reverting myself. I hold myself to one revert. This is an ongoing effort to make a political statement, and to vandalize the article it seems and its been going on for at least a couple of years in this article. I didn't think much about it just reverted in the past but this has been more persistent and includes messing around with the refs harder to notice and catch which concerns me. I may just take it to AN. And thanks again. (olive (talk) 18:14, 13 November 2012 (UTC))

Thank you

Thanks for commenting at Wikipedia:Peer review/Deep vein thrombosis/archive3. I think I've addressed everything you mentioned, and I left a comment. Best. Biosthmors (talk) 18:52, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Alright, I'll check it out. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:00, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
This is to be my first FAC. I was thinking of asking a couple others to take a look before FAC and then potentially going ahead with it soon. Does that sound wise? Biosthmors (talk) 19:07, 7 November 2012 (UTC)
Yes, that might still be a good idea--better to get too much preparation in than too little! Mark Arsten (talk) 19:10, 7 November 2012 (UTC)

Ivy Sports Symposium

Ivy Sports Symposium, which you deleted as a result of the discussion here, has now been recreated twice by User:Adamespino, who I assume is the original author. I speedied it once as WP:CSD#G4, but I think that a more permanent solution might be in order. He appears to be recreating it from a saved copy, as the recreated page includes the full Afd tag and reference. I'm not sure where else to bring this to, so I brought it to you as the closing admin.Vulcan's Forge (talk) 00:39, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, I've deleted and salted. Hopefully this will put a rest to it! Mark Arsten (talk) 00:45, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Paul Summerville

Paul Summerville has recreated his wiki page again despite a decisive vote. Any ideas as the closing admin? Moss rocks (talk) 03:05, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, since it's at WP:DRV at the moment, I think it is Ok to have it up for now. The DRV will decide what to do with it, I guess. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:10, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Refused the CSD, per above. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:16, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Ok, sounds good. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:30, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Constructive Contributions

What exactly do you believe was unconstructive about my update to the Star Wars page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluehatguy (talkcontribs) 03:28, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Well, for one thing, you changed its name to "Star Trek". Mark Arsten (talk) 03:30, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
Are they not the same? I was informed that the names could be used interchangabley
No, they're not actually the same... Mark Arsten (talk) 03:42, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure they are — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bluehatguy (talkcontribs) 03:44, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Obvious trolling is obvious. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:33, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

GA Notice

GA Notice
The article Church of the SubGenius that you nominated as a good article has passed Symbol support vote.svg; see the GA review for comments about the article. Well done!

ΛΧΣ21 01:27, 9 November 2012 (UTC)
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Thanks for the note, and for the review. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:58, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

Congrats!! :) --♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 19:42, 9 November 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

Kindness Barnstar Hires.png The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar
Well deserved, my big friend. — ΛΧΣ21 04:27, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
That barnstar came with a high price, Mark. Your dismissive comment about Till's previous disatisfaction with you was gratuitous and unbecoming an administrator, and has dropped you down a peg or two or three in my eyes. I have no idea about your previous history with him (I don't know him from Adam, and just know you by name), and really couldn't care any less, but bringing it up on ANI was ungentlemanly and below the belt, and tantamount to poisoning the well. It was inappropriate precisely because you were supposed to be acting in your role as impartial admistrator. Striking the comment and apologizing to Till both in the ANI and on his talk page would be the grown-up thing to do. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 08:36, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
@DV I don't think there was anything wrong with what I said, so no apology will be forthcoming. @AXE Sorry to see how that turned out, but we shouldn't be surprised--ANI is a pretty unreasonable place these days. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:50, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Oh, I think I see the issue now! When I said "This should be taken with a grain of salt", "this" referred to my comment--not Till's complaint. I meant that I may not be 100% impartial, not that Till's views should be suspect because he complained about me. Is that how you took it? Mark Arsten (talk) 15:59, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Yes, that's how I took it, and you can understand why I would be a little shocked. I'm satisfied with your explanation, though, and relieved. Thanks. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 18:04, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Alright, thanks for the note--I'll see you around. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:16, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Should a user sub-page of a banned/blocked user be deleted?

Hi Mark. I came across this user sub-page of a banned user and I was wondering if it should be deleted? It appears that the user created it around the time they were banned and it does not seem to relate to Wikipedia or its mission in any way but I am unclear if I can slap a deletion template on it or there is another procedure. Since you took the last action against the users account would you mind giving me you opinion? Should the page be deleted (as {{db-g5}} or some other such criteria) or should I just leave it alone. Thanks! meshach (talk) 21:07, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

To be honest, I'm really not sure... might want to ask a more experienced admin. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:26, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
Okay Mark, I will ask on WP:AN or some such place. Thanks for the quick reply. meshach (talk) 21:32, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Request to pick up Irving Gottesman, now a GA, for a peer review (trying to get to FA)

I expanded the article, covering, I believe, all major aspects, fixed some MOS issues, and tightened the language a bit. Thought the logical next step was a PR, before FAC. Thanks. Churn and change (talk) 21:21, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Sounds interesting. I'll give it a PR, probably won't get to it for a few days though. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:26, 12 November 2012 (UTC)
K. Thanks. Churn and change (talk) 02:26, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Semi protection

I have already requested semi protection for the article Take Me Home (One Direction album) at semi protection. Could you protect. AdabowtheSecond 22:36, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Not needed anymore. AdabowtheSecond 22:58, 12 November 2012 (UTC)

Roy Mitchell

Thanks, re: Mitchell. Unfortunately I only have one major source - Patricia Bernstein's book on the lynching of Washington - all other sources I could find mention Mitchell in passing, more or less. I'll improve the article when I can. I actually made the page on Mitchell after reading the interview you conducted, and then reading your page on Jesse Washington. It got me to reading more on lynchings during Jim Crow and I felt I had to write something on it; Mitchell seemed to be a fitting subject. Thanks for your work on these things. -Darouet (talk) 20:39, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

You're very welcome, glad to know that you read the interview and it helped inspire you. Hopefully more sources will turn up! Mark Arsten (talk) 23:21, 14 November 2012 (UTC)

Frank's Cock

Now here's a fun debate: would a TFA article be eligible for DYK? I was thinking of running the film for World AIDS Day (Frank's Cock went through this morning. What a release.) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:04, 16 November 2012 (UTC)

I would hold out for Valentines day... but that's just me. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:09, 16 November 2012 (UTC)
  • LOL, there was more than enough drama at WT:DYK. Editors seem to have been taking the film more seriously than the director. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:22, 17 November 2012 (UTC)

Church of the SubGenius

Sorry I didn't get to this before the peer review closed, but I've left my comments at User:Acdixon/Review‎. Hope there's something helpful for you there. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 16:24, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Oh yes, my error there. Thanks for the comments, much appreciated. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:01, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Look over this for me?

Hi Mark, hope all's well in your neck of the woods!

I've been doing a lot of work on Light in August over the weekend and wondered if you (or any interested talk page stalkers :D) could take a look at it for me and let me know what you think. It's one of my favorite novels, but when I found the article the other day, it was a sad mess of original research and Sparknotes plagiarism. Hope to keep expanding it with more solid lit crit and take it to GA. Any comments/suggestions/critiques would be most appreciated! Thanks as always, Accedietalk to me 19:47, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Sounds interesting, I'm doing a bit of a wikibreak at the moment, but I'll try to get to it if I can. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:01, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
No worries! I might go ahead and nominate it at GAN, cos I think it's in a good place, but feel free to jump in at your leisure. Enjoy your wikibreak – you've earned it :) Accedietalk to me 21:21, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, I realized that Wikipedia was causing me to neglect the important things... Mark Arsten (talk) 17:50, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Help request

Hi there, Mark. Could I possibly ask you a favour? The article Beylerbeydom should better be moved to the correct name of: "Beylerbeylik". If you look at the TP you will see that there is a consensus among concerned users in this change. However, possibly due to ignorance of this situation (no-one would expect that the concept of "Beylerbeylik" would be treated with an invented word such as "Beylerbeydom"; it looks something like instead of "kingdom" we say "kinghood" or "kingness") someone redirected "beylerbeylik" to "eyalet". If you kindly remove that redirect, we would like to move "Beylerbeydom" to "Beylerbeylik". Thank you very much, in advance, for your collaboration, help and time. All the best. --E4024 (talk) 21:37, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Ok, done. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:49, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much again and please enjoy some Turkish tea. Best. --E4024 (talk) 10:45, 19 November 2012 (UTC)
Sounds good, brings back the memories of my trip to Turkey last year. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:50, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Notice of Dispute resolution discussion


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Dispute over FA status Microsoft Security Essentials

I have opened a dispute over the decision to award this article FA status which you were to some extent involved. You may wish to comment on the case here. Quantumsilverfish (talk) 19:57, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, but I don't think I'll get involved. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:50, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Re: question

Thanks for asking, it was a really good one that made me stop and think. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs(talk) 19:41, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Merchandise giveaways

A Tshirt!
I thought that you deserved something a bit extra for all of the amazing work you've done for the project.
I've nominated you for a gift from the Wikimedia Foundation!
TBrandley 03:24, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Oh cool, thanks. I'll have to check that out. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:27, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Captain Underpants AFD

Because you participated in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Captain Underpants and the Perilous Plot of Professor Poopypants you might want to participate in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Adventures of Captain Underpants. Emmette Hernandez Coleman (talk) 01:09, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

B.C. Kochmit (2nd nomination)

Dear Mark: The talk page for Kochmit has the second nomination for AfD directing to the first discussion instead of the second, which should link to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/B.C. Kochmit (2nd nomination). Can you please fix this? Thanks!--Jax 0677 (talk) 03:49, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

3 CD Collector's Set (Rihanna album)

Hey Mark. Can you protect this page from being re-created? Thanks. Statυs (talk) 22:43, 26 November 2012 (UTC)

Note: I nominated for CSD (recreation of a deleted article, which was deleted yesterday) and the article cannot be fixed or improved because Status wants it to be protected from be created. What's the point of it existing? No logic or reasoning at all. Status reverted me twice and edit warred with me. AARONTALK 22:45, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
It was not a RECREATION of a deleted article, it was a REDIRECT of a deleted article. Notice the difference. If someone is looking for the article, it will be redirected to her discography article. Simple. Statυs (talk) 22:50, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
What do you call it then? If someone is looking, it will no longer appear in a few days. Simple. AARONTALK 22:51, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
A redirect. Statυs (talk) 22:53, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
... of a recreated, deleted article. Ending this discussion now as it's someone else's user talk. AARONTALK 22:55, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
  • Calvin/Aaron, I have to agree with Status here. A redirect is a valid option as there may be links to the collection both on or off Wiki, which would be broken by deletion. You can try WP:RFD if you are pretty certain this is not needed. BTW, recreation means recreating the content. A redirect is a completely different ball of wax — Crisco 1492 (talk) 22:56, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Why is it needed if Status wants it to be protected from being created? What's the point of it being a redirect? It may as well not be there. AARONTALK 23:00, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
Because the point of a redirect is to redirect someone to a similar topic. In this case, they can see it's chart position on the page it is redirect to. It can be protected so no other person can recreate the article, as it's been at AFD like 5 times. Statυs (talk) 23:02, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
I don't see the point in this case. Deleted articles disappear from the search after a few days. End of. AARONTALK 23:03, 26 November 2012 (UTC)
  • On Wikipedia. On other sites? RFD it first, and if it's kept I'll protect it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:06, 26 November 2012 (UTC)


I noticed your username commenting at an Arbcom discussion regarding civility. An effort is underway that would likely benifit if your views were included. I hope you will append regards at: Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Civility enforcement/Questionnaire Thank you for considering this request. My76Strat (talk) 08:21, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, but I don't know if I'll get involved. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:39, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Oscillant/Oscillatory pools

Hello Mark Arsten. I notice you've just deleted "Oscillant", however after that article had been proposed for deletion, the article's creator changed the article's name to "Oscillatory pools", and it is still in existence under this latter title. PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:18, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Ahh, got it now, thanks. I see someone was playing trick-the-admin again :) Mark Arsten (talk) 20:19, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the speedy response - I wish everything in life happened as quick as that! (caveat: only if I've asked for it to happen, that is....) PaleCloudedWhite (talk) 20:24, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Happy December!

Brownie transparent.png The Holidays are coming up... enjoy this lovely brownie as your first treat! Statυs (talk) 02:24, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, much appreciated. Mark Arsten (talk) 04:34, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi There

I appreciate your dedication to wikipedia

that was a test and you passed

here, have a q

q — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 01:16, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

LOL, thanks for the q. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:19, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

A redirect?

I'm truly astonished that the AFD for Eunice Penix ended this way. Other than Jax0677, there was only one editor who favored redirect. The very last, Stuartyeates, and even then he said delete or redirect. Nobody argued for redirect except Jax0677, I word searched redirect and that's how I know this.

Can you change the outcome or do I need to DRV this?...William 15:57, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm curious, why are you bothered by the existence of this redirect? Also, I count Jax, Stuart, and Stalwart approving or explicitly not objecting to a redirect and only one person voicing an opinion against one. So I don't think redirection is unreasonable, no. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:08, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
And the one argument against redirection is pretty poor, as well. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:14, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
The person clearly fails WP:POLITICIAN and most everyone who chimed in at the AFD, admitted that? If the person fails notability guidelines, why does it have to be a redirect? Silence on redirects doesn't mean editors approve of it. I guess this is going to DRV...William 16:17, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
I fail to see why I interpreted consensus incorrectly... you chose to remain silent, so your (unspoken) opinion wasn't counted. Also, there is no requirement that individuals must meet notability guidelines to have a redirect. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:31, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
Incorrect. I did take part in the AFD[3]. As Niteshift states below your redirect outcomes goes clearly against the consensus....William 16:38, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
You took part in the Afd, but you didn't express an opinion about redirection. If someone doesn't say whether they support a redirect or not, I take that as no !vote with regards to redirection. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:45, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  • So the author said "redirect", stuart says delete or redirect and Stalwart said "I think it would be a bit pointless. Also concerned it might encourage recreation of an article later". Really one supporting a redirect, one saying he doesn't care and one saying he wouldn't fight a pointless effort......and that becomes the close despite the other six deletes. My concern, like Stalwart, is that it encourages recreating the article of a person that is clearly non-notable. Even the two who said re-directing was ok chose delete as their main choice. I'm not going to fight about it, but I do think the choice to re-direct was the wrong one and that it essentially ignored the clear consensus to delete. Niteshift36 (talk) 16:22, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  • You were the only one to voice opposition to a redirect. Three people were amenable to that close. To go against the numerical consensus would require a strong argument. That a "redirect" would encourage the recreation of an article is not a particularly strong argument against a redirect, in my view. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:31, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  • You did go against the numerical consensus. 6 said delete. Just delete it. Get rid of it. Be gone. 2 said delete bet they didn't oppose redirect and 1 said redirect. Note that "not opposing" re-direct isn't supporting it. 1 even said it was pointless to do it. Now, what was the argument FOR redirect? WP:CHEAP was the sole arguement put forth by a single person and that isn't a strong reason either. The other 2 that didn't oppose it didn't argue for it and even expressed reasons why not to do it. Niteshift36 (talk) 16:52, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  • I'll repeat what I said above, "If someone doesn't say whether they support a redirect or not, I take that as no !vote with regards to redirection". I don't assign !voters a position they haven't endorsed. In my experience, your strong anti-redirect sentiment is uncommon, so I don't assume people take that view. Redirects exist as an aide to the reader, and though there are some instances where redirects are bad, this seems like it would be helpful for someone with interest in the issue.
  • Also, I find long, drawn-out arguments over trivial issues such as this to be a very poor use of time and resources. I'm actually baffled as to why you two see this as an issue that merits extensive discussion. I'd prefer that you spend your time doing more important things, but if you'd like to file a DRV, please do go ahead--I doubt either of use will change the other's mind here. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:07, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Since we're talking about preferences, I'd prefer that you didn't take a condescending tone. I've not been the list bit uncivil here and frankly your 'go do something useful' dismissal is rude. This has hardly been "long and drawn-out". While you claim you don't assign voters a position they haven't expressed, you in effect do that when you presume that they don't oppose it by not even addressing it. There vote was delete. Gone. If they didn't express being amenable to re-directs, you presume they are by their silence. I've already said I dind;t think this was worth taking to DRV, but I am disappointed that you decided to try talking down to people and think that will net you better results.

Lorry Girl

I have created an article named Lorry Girl and it has been deleted by you. The deletion tag said that the article lacks external references. At that time the references have not been available since the film was not projected. Now the film has been previewed woldwidely in over 40 centers and plenty of references are available. I request you to refix the page and I will put the references too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonisoni (talkcontribs) 07:04, 2 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I'll move the article to your userspace so you can add references and update the page, then we can think about whether it meet the WP:NFILM guideline. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:50, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
Ok, the article is at User:Sonisoni/Lorry Girl now. Let me know when you've updated and added references, thanks. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:53, 2 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I have updated the page, added references and finished it. Please check and inform if anything more to be added for the article to be valid.
  • Comment. I kind of stumbled upon this by accident while checking on some old messages I'd put on various talk pages. I'm just commenting to say that I'm going to do a little maintenance work on the AfC article, moving sources up in the article. No opinion either way on whether it meets WP:NFF or WP:NFILM.Tokyogirl79 (talk) 18:01, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
Ok, thanks a lot. I pinged MQS about this too. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:03, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Deletion of article about Miko Kung Fu

Dear Mark,

I created an article about the martial art I have been training for the last 6 years - Miko Kung Fu. This article provided some basic information about the style and my intention was later on to add some more details concerning its history, specifics and relation to other martial arts. The credibility of the information could be checked easily at the official internet sites of the Miko Kung Fu schools across Europe, that I referred to.

However I saw that you deleted this article. Could you, please, explain why? The article was based purely on facts and there were no personal opinions expressed. Could you, please tell me, why I shouldn't consider this as censorship from your side.

Additionally - I see this deletion as an act of discrimination. If there are articles about Karate, Aikido, Ving Tsun, Capoeira and other martial arts, which is the objective reason that there cannot be an article about Miko Kung Fu?

It is hard to create something and obviously - it's very easy to destroy it. If there were some problems with the content, why didn't advise on them to be corrected on the first place? I don't understand how this corresponds with the values of Wikipedia - "The free Encyclopedia"...

Herewith I am asking you restore the article I wrote about Miko Kung Fu. Thank you in advance!


Teodor Totev — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kestenite (talkcontribs) 19:32, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello, your article was deleted because there was a consensus (WP:CON) that it was not notable (WP:N). We define notability as "significant coverage in reliable sources" (see WP:GNG & WP:RS for more). To have the article restored, you'll have to show notability by providing example of coverage. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 21:17, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi Mark, I have referred with direct links to 3 different official internet sites from three different countries (!). On each one there were trainers' names, addresses, phone numbers, e-mails, photos of the groups, history of the relevant club, etc. How is this not notable enough for you? Additionally there many other internet sites and facebook pages of the clubs. Not to mention all the information in forums and specialized martial arts internet sites. There are also numerous videos in the internet.

Please, advise how the below is not significant and not reliable enough to you:

Official Internet sites:

Facebook pages:

Video Channels:

Specialized Martial Arts Sites and Internet Forums which are mentioning Miko Kung Fu (also Мико Кунг Фу in cyrillic) and Milenko Kozlica:

I am sure you can find more.

Kind regards, Teodor Totev

  • Teodor: Have you ever read WP:RS? Almost everything I see on that list wouldn't come close to passing the RS standard, especially all the FB pages and user conntributor sites. Additionally, you might want to read WP:PRIMARY. When so much of the coverage comes from a primary site, such as, it can be very problematic. One thing you might consider is heading here: WP:WikiProject Martial arts to get input from experienced editors who are involved in editing martial arts articles. There is also a crtieria for martial arts articles at WP:MANOTE. Niteshift36 (talk) 20:54, 3 December 2012 (UTC)
  • I concur with Niteshift's comments above. (Thanks for chiming in.) The thing we need is "third-party reliable sources". What that usually means is coverage in established newspapers, magazines, or books. Internet forums, blogs, and YouTube videos usually don't qualify. The martial arts wikiproject is a good place to get feedback on which sources are acceptable, as is WP:RSN. Hope this helps! Mark Arsten (talk) 21:05, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Doubt regarding Bollywood movies

I am shocked to see that Wikipedia provides figures pertaining to bollywood box office business from which is not genuine. There are other releant sources like,, which provide accurate figures of box office. I request you to remove restriction from movie "Ek Tha Tiger" so that I can make changes to its collection which is about INR.198cr nut Wikipedia mentions it as INR 186 cr (Source which is not accurate at all). Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Afzal57hhh (talkcontribs) 15:31, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi, my advice is to discuss the issue on Talk:Ek Tha Tiger, and try to form a consensus among interested editors. Thanks! Mark Arsten (talk) 15:34, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Tai Urban: Updates

You deleted the page "Tai Urban." I am still in the progress of updating it. You stated that he did not have any major martial arts achievements. However, I wrote that he won gold and bronze medals at Junior Olympics. Juniors Olympics is for for basically the Olympics, but for children under a specific age in certain sports. Also, he has competed in several IBJJF competitions and has won gold. Those are not local nor minor competitions, but ranked. I am still in process of collecting info on that.

Tai Urban is also a celebrity photographer and has articles with his name. I am constantly learning new things about Wikipedia, so I have to update it with the correct articles. I just found these articles on the Internet.

I wrote that he is an actor. I can be more specific with links to his Disney XD show, Ghostwhisper, NBC, ABC, and films that he has done instead of generalizing. I also have photos/links of him with various celebrities at celebrity events.

Also, I found out that I need to do that title portion for review, so I feel that if I work with the editors in getting this page up to the correct standards and with the proper references, then it meet your requirements.

Thanks! -J. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jennajjen (talkcontribs) 17:47, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi, the issue here is that he would have to meet the WP:MANOTE or WP:NACTOR guidelines. The users who commented at the deletion discussion felt that he did not. To demonstrate that he does, you will likely have to find significant media coverage of him... newspaper and magazine articles would be best. See WP:GNG & WP:RS for more details. Good luck, Mark Arsten (talk) 17:54, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Precious (in style)

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Thank you for speaking to editors as to people, with attention, respect and humour, even on difficult topics and in disputes!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:27, 22 April 2012 (UTC)

repeated in br'erly thanksgiving style, thank you that it still applies, awesome Wikipedian of 22 April 2012 --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:10, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! I'll endeavor to deserve it. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:29, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

DRV notice

Hi Mark, Not seeing a previous notice, but thought you should be aware of one of your closes at DRV. Sorry if this is a repeat. Hobit (talk) 18:12, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

No, I hadn't seen that, thanks for the note... odd situation. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:29, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

2ND NOTICE: Kochmit

Dear Mark: The talk page for Kochmit has the second nomination for AfD directing to the first discussion instead of the second, which should link to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/B.C. Kochmit (2nd nomination). Can you please fix this? Thanks!--Jax 0677 (talk) 19:55, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

It's done now. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:00, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Re: Afd

Thanks Mark, perfectly acceptable as far as I am concerned. Thanks for kicking-off the new AFD -I might make a couple of comments there. Cheers, Stalwart111 22:12, 3 December 2012 (UTC)


Hi, the easiest job is deletion. the article is not van or attack, has a reliable sources and good references. this is not my good place to spend good time. Please delete my account too. seeah asten 08:28, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello, which article are you referring to? I'd be glad to discuss it if you have concerns about my deletion. Also, I can't delete your account. The closest thing we have to account deletion is WP:RTV. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 15:16, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nicolle Galyon

I dispute the deletion of this article. Surely WP:HOTTIE trumps WP:GNG, right? Ah well, I tried.--v/r - TP 22:13, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, someone should update WP:BEFORE to include google image search :) Well, you did try, and I was a little surprised at how that debate turned out. Afd can be unpredictable at times. In any case, we can always revisit at a later date--since her career's not over yet, there's a decent chance that the page could be restored eventually. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:18, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Joseph Grimaldi FAC

Hi Mark, just a quick note to let you know of Grimaldi's FAC which I have just listed. I would be most grateful for any comments or criticisms you may have to offer. Hope all is well! -- CassiantoTalk 13:44, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the note. No guarantees, but I'll see if I can make it over there. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 13:47, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Text moved from Category:Change in blog policy

Mark, you deleted page M.G. Edwards based on the suggestions of several anonymous, non-notable moderators. Wikipedia's criteria for whether a public figure is "notable" are random and imprecise. Its reliance on traditional media sources is arcane, and the site's use of second- and third-hand sources and disregard for first-hand information is flawed and dated. Wikipedia has demonstrated a lack of understanding how information is shared online in the 21st Century.

M.G. Edwards' blog "World Adventurers" is growing exponentially, and some of its posts now outrank Wikipedia's entries in search results. Wikipedia stands to lose more from its decision to delete M.G. Edwards' bio page than the author did from the bio page you deleted. World Adventurers' articles have linked to thousands of Wikipedia articles and generated many referrals for Wikipedia. We just changed our policy to emphasize local sources over Wikipedia's. The blog will now take readers closer to the source and support local information providers rather than relying on second- or third-hand information from Wikipedia.

M.G. Edwards also put a call out to readers to spend their Wikipedia donations to support independent authors ignored by Wikipedia.

Until Wikipedia changes its policies, World Adventurers' remains in effect. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Edworlds (talkcontribs)

Hi, thanks for your comments. I'm sorry you feel this way about Wikipedia. As an admin, though, I can only enforce the established criteria that we've adopted. I do think that donating to indie authors is a worthy cause though, so I admire your efforts in that direction. Regards, Mark Arsten (talk) 20:12, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Thanks, my pleasure. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:15, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Thank You

I appreciate your protection of Triad (underground society). There was some information in previous edits and would like to know if you would like to assist in recovering the data. More experienced users sometimes have tools that make it easier, but I don't know if that is the case. Regardless, thank you for that move, I was in the process of submitting it for protection this very moment. Twillisjr (talk) 15:22, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome, glad to help. I'm a bit confused though. What do you mean about recovering data with tools? I'm not sure what you're asking. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:56, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

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aligator, take it home

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Thank you, I will :) Mark Arsten (talk) 15:19, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

FAC Review help

Hello, I recently nominated an article, "The Sixth Extinction II: Amor Fati" for FAC, and its been opposed (rightfully so) by editors who insist it needs a more thorough copy-edit. I was directed towards your name, although I'm sure you are rather busy. If you have any time/know anyone who would be willing to help, that would be greatly appreciated! Thank you for reading this.--Gen. Quon (Talk) 22:33, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi, I know I've seen you around, but I don't think we've interacted before. Sorry to see that it didn't make it at FAC, but a lot of articles flunk on their first try and pass later. I suppose I can help with a copyedit, but I can't promise that it will be done quickly--I'm willing to take a shot at it though. It's usually best to get a few eyes on something like this, so you might want to ask for help from others to make sure that things are solved adequately. Others that I would recommend pinging for assistance for grammar prose issues are User:Rothorpe & User:Accedie, and for more of a peer review with emphasis on prose compliance User:Sarastro1 and User:Noleander. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:19, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
Thank you! Take your time, I really appreciate you doing this. I will continue to trudge ahead, and thank you for the recommendations!--Gen. Quon (Talk) 17:35, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Game Zero magazine

Hi, as you are listed as the person deleting this page, I'm coming to you first as I somehow missed the discussion for deletion due to being a bit involved with RL the last few months. Anyways, I take exception to the statement that deletion is warranted because " Google Books only yields passing mentions, and Google News archives search yields no results other than the article's Wikipedia page."

This argument is irrelevant in this case. The website was from 1994-1998 (magazine ran from 1992-1998, how this translates to "short time" baffles me). All other citable websites from that period are long gone and if you had taken a moment to read the talk page you would have seen this situation explained in detail. The publication itself had a circulation of 150,000 in the U.S. prior to ending. The website was regularly listed in top-10 lists for gaming websites in the early 90's. There is no "Google News" entries because the site pre-dates Google News inclusion. It predates Google Books as well. I would also like to note that the site is historical significant from a video-gaming news perspective as it's one of the only remaining sites where period news is still available.

I need to note, this publication was a professional publication, with a significant following online, in print and as the official news channel for X-Band. It was significant during it's publication window in the early Internet. It kills me to see this windows of Internet history being eradicated and I just wonder at how much other information has been lost because of this very same conundrum.

I know this is a bit of an anomaly but I would like to request the page be restored. Please, read the page again, and the talk page that went with it. Everything was explained clearly. BcRIPster (talk) 19:57, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello, to restore the page, we would need to have evidence that there is "significant coverage [of it] in reliable sources". The sources don't need to be online, but we would need verifiable independent sources (WP:V) to write about the group (blogs and forums don't count). If you can provide good sources, let me know, and we can work from there. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 21:15, 10 December 2012 (UTC)
Wired referred to an FAQ Game Zero published on the game Wipeout in issue 4.04 (archived on the site) but botched the URL:
In Japan, All-in-One Internet Magazine used to publish an printed Internet Yellow Pages. They have since put up an on-line archive of all their old issues. The link below is from an issue that came out July, 1995.
The Internet Yellow Pages, Vol.6:Game, featured Game Zero #4 directly after Sega, Sony then Nintendo. You can translate the PDF here:
I-Way magazine featured Game Zero in their 500 top links report in their Spring 1996 issue; (available on newsstands February 26, 1996). For the top 20 Gaming related sites, Game Zero was ranked #9 over New Type and Nintendo (if you need a scan of the magazine I can send one). This was a huge, big deal. This magazine was considered authoritative at the time.
Game Zero used to be indexed on GameRankings but in 2006 they demoted the listing and then in 2007 they purged sites that didn't have current reviews and so one more relevant source was lost.
Zoonami changed the name of their game because it collided with the name of the magazine:
The talk page documented that there are serious issues with collecting references here because since the magazine was predominantly Web based from 1994-1996, anything referencing the site from 1994-1996 is way long gone and not captured in the Internet Archive since it didn't start full steam until 1997.
What else can I provide you? I can send you photos of magazine covers if you need.BcRIPster (talk) 00:49, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
Well, I'm a bit skeptical about whether these constitute "significant" coverage, but I'll userfy the deleted article so you can add citations/evidence of notability. It's at User:BcRIPster/Game Zero magazine now. When you've done that, you can go to WP:DRV to apply to have the draft reinstated. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:28, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, can you restore the talk page content as well? I'll see what else I can find, but this is known issue for significant web content from that era. I regret not doing a better job capturing information at the time myself as I never imagined someone would question the significance of the publication given how high it's visibility was at the time.BcRIPster (talk) 20:09, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
Ok, done. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:38, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, again.BcRIPster (talk) 21:00, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Hey, thanks for the barnstar. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:50, 10 December 2012 (UTC)


Any issue with me setting a redirect of Lili Francks to her husband Don Francks? Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 22:29, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

No issue at all, go ahead. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:04, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. Schmidt, MICHAEL Q. 02:49, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Delta Sigma Iota

Can I ask why you deleted the Delta Sigma Iota fraternity page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Priyankpatel91 (talkcontribs)

Yes, you can. The reasons for deletion are listed on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Delta Sigma Iota. To have an article, fraternities have to meet WP:GNG and WP:CLUB; at the discussion there was a consensus that it did not. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:43, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Vishal Sharma

Hi Mark, please you have deleted the page "Vishal Sharma". People who commented on it and advised deletion are completely unaware of Indian politics and took unqualified stances regarding the person in question. It takes a lot of effort on our part to do research and create a quality page with the proper links that meets the strict conditions of wikipedia, and it is very easy for people sitting on the other side of this planet to recommend deletion. Therefore, I request you to please undelete the page "Vishal Sharma". Thanks so much. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shweta1977 (talkcontribs) 18:38, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello, to have an article on Wikipedia, individuals have to meet the Wikipedia:Notability (people) guidelines. Can you provide evidence of significant coverage of him in newspapers, magazines or books (WP:GNG)? If so, it may be possible to undelete the article. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 18:52, 11 December 2012 (UTC)
Hello from the other side of the planet! I am the person who nominated the article for deletion, and, no, I am not completely unaware of Indian politics, because, amongst other things, I had to learn a little bit about Indian politics in order to do this. If Vishal Sharma is genuinely notable by Wikipedia's standards, a similar amount of effort on your part would enable you to create a similarly well-referenced article. (You get bonus points if you can include a reliable source about slapping a teacher in the face.) --Demiurge1000 (talk) 19:50, 11 December 2012 (UTC)

Genius Inside


The page Genius Inside has recently been deleted by you on 30 November 2012.

We would like to discuss with you regarding this deletion, as this company is still active and well known on the market, and I believe is important to the market and the customer for informational purposes.

I unfortunately am not a wikipedia expert. Therefore I might not have perfectly followed the wikipedia rules and regulations, and apologize for it.

For example, I do not follow links all the time and might have omitted to delete some old links that are obsolete. I have read the "tips" and rules and realize we have a lack of reference, one of the reasons I suppose of the deletion.

I would like to provide some proofs that the company is still very active on the market, by providing you a large quantity of press releases, industry specific reports and industry specific influential blogs or websites attesting of its importance on this market.

I would agree of course to make other changes you consider important and that could better serve the informational purpose of Wikipedia.

Thank you for examining our request.

Best regards

Inclusion in Gartner report 2011

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Rbernard84--Rbernard84 (talk) 15:20, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello, it may be possible to have the article undeleted if you can provide sufficient evidence that the company is notable. To be notable (for Wikipedia purposes) companies have to have received coverage that meets the WP:CORPDEPTH guidelines. Blogs and press releases usually aren't enough to establish notability. Can you point to a few examples of articles that have been written about the company by media outlets that fit our WP:RS guideline? Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 18:26, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Hello Mark, would inclusion in a Gartner report be sufficient? Mark Arsten Genius Inside is indeed a major player in the market, and because of this removal, users cannot find Genius Inside which limits users of making the best choice for their organization. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vklimko (talkcontribs) 19:52, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Good question... to be honest, I'm not sure if Gartner qualifies as WP:RS. You could ask about this at WP:RSN (the page that evaluates reliability of sources). Usually we require more than one reliable source, but that could be a good start. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:37, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi Mark, every industry has it's own credible sources. In the software space Gartner is the god and this report is the bible for the PPM software buyers. If this is not a credible source than I don't know what is. Please consider Gartner link and this link as a credible source and please undelete the page. Vklimko 20:49, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Well, I'm a bit skeptical about whether this will meet WP:CORPDEPTH, but I'll userfy the deleted article so you can add more citations/proof of notability. It's at User:Vklimko/Genius Inside now. When you've done that, you can go to WP:DRV to apply to have the draft reinstated. Let me know if you have any questions. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:59, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Updates are done and submitted Vklimko 16:37, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

The article still appears to be mostly sourced to press releases and blogs. These should really be used lightly, if at all. Also, I think WP:DRV is a better venue than WP:AFC, which usually isn't used after deletion. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:48, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi Mark, I have modified again the page following your comments. Moreover I have added main event's participation, external interviews & customers testimonials to further prove its importance in this market. What's the next step to get published back? Thanks Rbernard84 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 13:53, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

The next step would be to go to WP:DRV and request to have the deletion reversed and your draft reinstated. Good luck, Mark Arsten (talk) 14:54, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Mark,

Following our deletion - that I still find unfair because it has valid and updated references - I invite you to have a look at the page "Comparison of project-management software" to make a DRASTIC cleaning of maybe 2 thirds of the project management software companies available on this list for the same reasons you have deleted Genius Inside (lack of notability). Same rules are to be applied to all companies / pages equally and fairly, to respect your wikipedia rules & principles. Thank you for letting me know. Rbernard84 (talk) 08:48, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Hmm, that may be a good idea. I'm not sure if I'll have time to do so though. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:19, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Deletion review for Genius Inside

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Genius Inside. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Rbernard84 (talk) 07:56, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

MMA Event Notability

You are invited to join the discussion at WT:MMA#MMA_Event_Notability. Kevlar (talk) 18:55, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

Please clarify

Mark, could you please clarify your decision to close the Eunice Penix AfD to User:Jax 0677? He still seems to think that your closure with a redirect somehow adjudicated Penix as notable. He keeps using the fact that the closing wording didn't say "deleted" as evidence that she wasn't held to be non-notable. He used that line of thought in the DRV and is still trying it. I'd really appreciate it. Niteshift36 (talk) 15:21, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Yeah, he's mistaken then. I think the consensus was definitely "non-notable". I'll try to get in touch with him soon. Mark Arsten (talk) 15:40, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

John Adair

May I please nominate John Adair for Today's Featured Article on January 9th? I want your opinion please.--Lucky102 (talk) 17:15, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Actually, I won't nominate it now, due to Richard Nixon.--Lucky102 (talk) 17:17, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Ok. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:48, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Wondering how this ended up on your talk page rather than mine. Not that I mind Adair, or any other FA I've shepherded, appearing on the main page. I'm just glad someone noticed. Did you have a competing TFA candidate for that date? Acdixon (talk · contribs) 21:16, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

I didn't, no. Not sure why Lucky asked me either. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:06, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

List of defensive gun use incidents

You closed an AFD on this article some months back (no consensus). An anon IP has attempted to renominate, but did not fully complete the process. As the previous AFD was only 4 months ago, and the AFD was not fully nominated, I was going to delete the incorrectly done subst. However as I am the primary editor of the page, I didn't want to violate the "dont remove" policy, even though the process was not correctly started. Could you please take whatever action you feel is appropriate to resolve the issue? Gaijin42 (talk) 23:36, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

thanks for resolving the impasse. Gaijin42 (talk) 23:50, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
No prob. Usually when I see an IP try to nominate something I complete it for them. In any case, renomination 4 months after a NC close is not unheard of. Actually, the last time I completed a nomination for someone I saw it in the queue a week later and almost deleted it, but then figured I shouldn't since I technically nominated it. Then there was a flurry of late !votes and an admin came along and closed the article as keep... so this might work in your favor :) Mark Arsten (talk) 00:06, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Merge discussion for FTM cross-dressing

Information.svg An article that you have been involved in editing, FTM cross-dressing, has been proposed for a merge with another article. If you are interested in the merge discussion, please participate by going here, and adding your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Anna Frodesiak (talk) 21:24, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

The curious case of women's empowerment

Thank you Mark, for your help on Vidya Balan's article. Much appreciated. Cheers. :) --smarojit (buzz me) 07:02, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

You're welcome, glad to help. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:28, 16 December 2012 (UTC)

Main page appearance: Prosperity theology

This is a note to let the main editors of Prosperity theology know that the article will be appearing as today's featured article on January 4, 2013. You can view the TFA blurb at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/January 4, 2013. If you prefer that the article appear as TFA on a different date, or not at all, please ask featured article director Raul654 (talk · contribs) or his delegates Dabomb87 (talk · contribs), Gimmetoo (talk · contribs), and Bencherlite (talk · contribs), or start a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Today's featured article/requests. If the previous blurb needs tweaking, you can change it—following the instructions at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests/instructions. If this article needs any attention or maintenance, it would be preferable if that could be done before its appearance on the Main Page. The blurb as it stands now is below:

Prosperity theology is a Christian religious doctrine that financial blessing is the will of God, and that faith, positive speech, and donations to Christian ministries will increase one's material wealth. Based on non-traditional interpretations of the Bible, often with emphasis on the Book of Malachi, the doctrine views the Bible as a contract between God and humans: if humans have faith in God, he will deliver his promises of security and prosperity. The doctrine emphasizes the importance of personal empowerment, proposing that it is God's will for his people to be happy. It came to prominence in the United States during the Healing Revivals of the 1950s and later figured prominently in the Word of Faith movement and 1980s televangelism. In the 1990s and 2000s, it was adopted by influential leaders in the Charismatic Movement and promoted by Christian missionaries throughout the world. Churches in which the prosperity gospel is taught are often non-denominational and usually directed by a sole pastor or leader, although some have developed multi-church networks. Prosperity theology has been criticized by leaders in the Pentecostal and Charismatic movements, as well as other Christian denominations, who maintain that it is irresponsible and theologically unsound. (Full article...)

UcuchaBot (talk) 23:01, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Oooh, this will be a vandal magnet... going to be a tough day, I bet. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:25, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
Nothing compared to The lynching ;) - Precious again, - I gave today's to ItsZippy, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:30, 4 January 2013 (UTC)
Oh good, he deserves it. Thus far TFA has gone pretty smoothly, I'm pleasantly surprised. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:04, 4 January 2013 (UTC)



to avoid any conflicts, like recently, are you in agreement to publish the text in William S. Sadler in public domain to translate it in German? Regards.--Tomcat (7) 14:50, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I am in total agreement. Let me know if you have any more questions. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:25, 20 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. "Of English and Irish descent, he was raised in Wabash, Indiana.[1]" I think his descent had no influnce to the fact where he was raised. Shouldn't subordinate clauses and main clauses always be logical to each other? Or is it different in American English? Regards.--Tomcat (7) 12:10, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
  • It's not always necessary, and in context it looks acceptable (although perhaps better with the parents); if you can't translate it very well, remove it... it isn't too pertinent. Mark, you can't legally release all the text to the PD, only your contributions (don't think anyone here would fight it, but you never know). Tomcat, why must it be PD? — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:03, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Because there was an annoying dispute recently regarding alleged paraphrasing and forgetting to name the original, main author. --Tomcat (7) 15:27, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Seriously? Just tag the talk page and note it was translated. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 16:19, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Ehh, sorry about my mistake as to the licensing, I was thinking he was asking about the German translation being released into PD... then again, I'm no license expert. As to the two clauses... you may have a point there, I didn't think too much about that at the time (with that I would usually just wait for someone to point it out). No one did, so it probably isn't a big deal. Does "Sadler was born June 24, 1875, in Spencer, Indiana, and was raised in Wabash, Indiana. Of English and Irish descent, his parents were Samuel Cavins Sadler and Sarah Isabelle Wilson." look better? I guess I could change it. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:27, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Even that wouldn't technically be allowed because of the Share-Alike clause. They can't release it any freer than it is. I guess that rewording could work, but I'm not particularly thrilled with it. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 23:49, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Yes, good point... well, I guess we can leave the wording as-is. Hope Indonesia is getting in the Christmas spirit :) Mark Arsten (talk) 02:08, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Just got back from a parents' meeting. Back in Canada we'd already be ignoring school like it never existed. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:29, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Oh yes, for sure. Happy Mothers' day by the way. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:59, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks, but I still celebrate it in May (my mom doesn't do Indonesian calendars) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:08, 27 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Is "Evangelist" in the sense of "preacher" or "advocate"?--Tomcat (7) 16:15, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
    • Evangelist is in the sense of "preacher" here. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:27, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
  • "evangelical work, titled Self-Winning Texts, or Bible Helps for Personal Work" - evangelical in the sense of fundamentalist Christian conservative, bible-abiding, protestant or in keeping with the gospel? --Tomcat (7) 14:35, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
    • I think it is the latter in this case--good question though. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:59, 22 December 2012 (UTC)


[4] MathewTownsend (talk) 15:52, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, difficult situation, not sure what to say. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:25, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Request for Comment re Death Penalty lawyer Bio AfD

Please comment re application of WP:SIGCOV to career defending people on death row: >>>>> <<<<

Tricky situation, I probably won't comment. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:31, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Merry Christmas!

ΛΧΣ21 05:51, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, merry Christmas to you too. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:31, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Article for deletion: David Codikow

Hi Mark,

An article I created - David Codikow - has been deleted, following an AfD discussion last month. I would like to enquire about two aspects of this deletion. Firstly, can I get the full text of the deleted article? Secondly, I would be happy to fill in the appropriate reliable and independent sources if there was an aspect of the article lacking in this regard - is there somewhere I can get some feedback as to which parts of the article could be strengthened?

Many thanks!

Mrjones23 (talk) 11:09, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I've moved the article to User:Mrjones23/David Codikow for you to improve. Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests is a good place to ask for help about building a draft. When you've finished, you can apply to have the draft reinstated to mainspace via WP:DRV. Let me know if you have any more questions, Mark Arsten (talk) 17:31, 21 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your help Mark! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrjones23 (talkcontribs) 18:54, 21 December 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Just because you're the best admin ever.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 03:01, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
lol, that's quite a compliment thanks. Not sure if it's true or not, but I'll accept that. Glad we got those dashes worked out earlier. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:06, 22 December 2012 (UTC)
Your opinion is what we call a Conflict of interest Face-wink.svg. No problem! Me too!  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 04:18, 22 December 2012 (UTC)


Hey. I nominated Homework (Daft Punk album) for FAC. When you have time, please check the article and give it a copyedit. If you have time to give me a full review, I will be amazingly glad. Thanks Mark :) — ΛΧΣ21 03:37, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, looks pretty interesting, but I might have limited availability in the near future... we'll see. Hope it goes well in any case. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:59, 22 December 2012 (UTC)

Holiday cheer

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Michael Q. Schmidt talkback is wishing you Season's Greetings! This message celebrates the holiday season, promotes WikiLove, and hopefully makes your day a little better. Spread the seasonal good cheer by wishing another user a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past, a good friend, or just some random person. Share the good feelings.

Merry Christmas!

"Good tidings we bring, for you and your kin"

Hey Mark, hope this finds you well. Me and Mrs Crisco just want to wish you a merry Christmas (and a cup of good cheer).

BTW, if you get back in a writing mood, I just read a little bit about Bayard Rustin. Fascinating... openly gay, pacifist, and a pretty key civil rights movement member. Article needs some heavy lifting though. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:41, 23 December 2012 (UTC)

Bayard Rustin and Tom Kahn

I added a bit to the Rustin article last year.

For expansion, it might be good to start on From Protest to Politics, which was written by Tom Kahn. You should watch Brother Outsider, a documentary about Rustin with narration from Erik Dellums, son of socialist congressman Ron Dellums, who played Luther Mahoney on The Wire. Brother Outsider narrates a letter from Tom Kahn, summoning Rustin to return from Africa to provide strategic leadership to the civil rights movement: I would be grateful for somebody to add a paragraph on this letter to the Kahn article. I would be interested in improving the Kahn article to FA status, with collaboration.

Kiefer.Wolfowitz 22:56, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Kiefer, that sounds pretty interesting. I'll try to look into it when I have a chance. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 23:29, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Hmm... sounds fascinating, I think. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:58, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Mark, I just wanted to take the time to thank you for everything you do here and to wish you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year. And you're permitted to take 12 hours off from patrolling AfDs, not a second more! Face-smile.svg Go Phightins! 03:00, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

--Tomcat (7) 14:19, 24 December 2012 (UTC)

Happy holidays!

Evergreens covered in snow in Nebraska.jpg Happy Holidays!
From the frozen wasteland of Nebraska, USA! MONGO 12:15, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

help me edit Central Park Carousel

I really want help improving the article Central Park Carousel because I dont want it deleted so please help me edit it please. Please do leave a message on my talk page. Starship9000 —Preceding undated comment added 22:53, 25 December 2012 (UTC)

Sorry for the late reply, but I'll try to take a look at it soon. Mark Arsten (talk) 21:05, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Deletion review for Base 30

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Base 30. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Robo37 (talk) 13:37, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Re:Talk:Elias Abraham Rosenberg

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Hello, Mark Arsten. You have new messages at Talk:Elias Abraham Rosenberg.
Message added 16:35, 27 December 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

I thought I'd bring this to your attention, as you are the main contributor to this article.

הסרפד (Hasirpad) [formerly] 16:35, 27 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done

Another user has implemented the changes I suggested. הסרפד (Hasirpad) [formerly] 17:01, 28 December 2012 (UTC)
Oops. I didn't realize that you (pl.) are one and the same. הסרפד (Hasirpad) [formerly] 23:13, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
LOL, sorry, I didn't mean to trick you :) Mark Arsten (talk) 23:15, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Hey Mark

I was wondering if I could talk you into undoing the blocks to Nikki and Andy. I've seen both of them around for a long time, and I think they are both pretty reasonable people - and now with some discussion on the article talk page going .. I think some of the back and forth can be stopped without the blocks staying in place. If "please" makes a difference ... "Please" ... :) — Ched :  ?  18:41, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, you and RexxS have both expressed the desire to see this overturned, and I respect you two a great deal. So, I've unblocked in the interests of furthering discussion on the talk page. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:53, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much Mark, it's greatly appreciated. I'm gonna head out for a bit this evening - but I hope you and all your TPS'ers have a wonderful New Years. :-) — Ched :  ?  18:57, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Yes, definitely. Have a happy new year! Mark Arsten (talk) 18:58, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

You have a sunset on top of your page. Have you read it recently? (that's meant nicely, not snarkily, which I also hope is a real word) Can we rely on tools like protection more, rather than blocking? Thanks, Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 20:00, 31 December 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your comments, I will keep them in mind. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:02, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Happy New Year, keeping in mind the sunrise! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:48, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Yes, happy new year to you too, hopefully wiki-2013 will be more peaceful than wiki-2012! Mark Arsten (talk) 16:55, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Amen. ps: my mini sunrise. - missing people, we seem to lose the best, you can click on peace to express that in a simple way, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:45, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
I've been looking at it and I'm not sure if it is a rising sun or a setting sun. Money's on the latter, given the present state of the project.--Wehwalt (talk) 18:54, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Oh, I certainly hope not--although the pessimists are right a frustrating amount of the time. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:03, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
Sanddunes sunrise, no question about the title of the image, - an excellent title for an excellent image that I met under the title Reformation in days of hope, a treasure, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:15, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

Happy New Year 2013

Wish you a very Happy New Year 2013. Torreslfchero (talk) 20:22, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, Happy New Year to you too. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:23, 31 December 2012 (UTC)
  • Happy birthday! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:33, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
    • LOL, I love that movie. So, are you having Chinese food for New Year's Eve? Mark Arsten (talk) 00:49, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
      • Yeah, actually. We had sapo tahu (tofu sapo)... don't know what that is in English. The Mrs loves it. Haven't seen you writing any articles recently... I've only had a decent streak this past week :-( — Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:56, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
        • Oh, cool, that sounds good. Around here, everyone flocks to Chinese take-out places on New Year's Eve. I couldn't get any if I wanted to right now, they're all reserved through midnight.
        • Yeah, I haven't done much lately. I have a couple nearly finished drafts in sandboxes, so I should move them to mainspace and get back in the game. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:01, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
          • Ooh, sounds interesting. I've popped out two decent articles this week (and a half): Pengkhianatan G30S/PKI and Nugroho Notosusanto. The first is... not exactly Christmas fare. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:05, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
            • Sounds pretty interesting though, I'll have to check that out. Well, since you bugged me about it, I wrote an article tonight :) Mark Arsten (talk) 01:10, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
              • Oh my. She's cuter than your last biography, though. (silently fixes dab link) — Crisco 1492 (talk) 01:14, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
                • Yes, and "looking cute" is an official doctrine of her faith (sort of). They seem like a pretty fun group, if you can stomach the stuff about Francophone extraterrestrials and so on. (thanks!) Mark Arsten (talk) 02:48, 1 January 2013 (UTC)
                  • The Mrs would look at me funny if I proposed something like this... — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:34, 1 January 2013 (UTC)

WP:REX#Journal of the South African Dental Association

Dear Mark! Do you still need this article any more? -- Doc Taxon (talk) 03:17, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Wow, there's an unexpected topic! Thanks for getting back to me about this. I haven't been working on the article for a few months, but it would be interesting to see that journal article, yes. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:26, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
Please hold the line, -- Doc Taxon (talk) 03:37, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Devyn Rose

This page is similar to . Both artists have been featured on Frostwire: Devyn Rose is currently on Frostwire gaining more than 5,000 downloads per day. Please check here . We would like to resubmit the page, then update it for your approval. PinkStaircase (talk) 20:58, 2 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by PinkStaircase (talkcontribs)

PinkStaircase, see my reply at User talk:Amatulic#Devyn Rose and answer there. And admin-shopping is frowned upon here. ~Amatulić (talk) 21:26, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
I'm not really sure what's going on here. But now that I check, I see I deleted one version of this a while back. My advice would be to create a userpace draft and once you have it in top condition (and are 100% sure it meets WP:MUSICBIO) apply to have the deletion overturned at WP:DRV. Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests is a good resource if you are confused. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:05, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Icelandic Phallological Museum for TFA

Hi Mark, I thought I'd let you know that I've renominated Icelandic Phallological Museum for Today's Featured Article for February 14, as discussed last September. If you have any thoughts on this the nomination is at Wikipedia:Today's featured article/requests#Icelandic Phallological Museum. Prioryman (talk) 22:36, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, hope this goes smoothly. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:41, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
joke intended? ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:48, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
It's hard to talk about some articles without making jokes... Mark Arsten (talk) 16:33, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Your offer of help

I accept your public offer of help on your user page and request your intervention to stop a user emptying visual content (aka pics) from the article Turkish Cypriots. Thanks in advance and a Happy Year. --E4024 (talk) 22:51, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I reverted them and left a comment on their talk page... part of me suspects that there may be a language barrier issue. In any case, I'll check back later to see if this continues. Happy new year, Mark Arsten (talk) 23:36, 2 January 2013 (UTC)
First of all, thank you very much, Mr. Arsten, for your intervention. Also thank you very much for the kind note you left on that user's TP. (I could learn tact from you. However, as a Mediterranean I am a bit passionate and have difficulty biting my tongue, although I try to interact politely with everybody.) On the other hand, as I have been wandering around this area for some time now, I have a feeling I know very well some of the people here. That is why I dare tell you this: You could also have asked this user their relations with the usernames like TremoloKid, Ghuzz and several others that have similar POVs, interest in the same articles, same broken English, etc. The two I mention above and some of those I do not are not active nowadays, especially after my complaints to some admins. I thought this info could be of help. Thank you again; good to know there are people like you here... All the best. --E4024 (talk) 11:10, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the detailed info, I'll keep that in mind. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:33, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

PP Depardieu urgent

Hi, was just checking thru' the versions to find the last good one when you pp'ed the article, yes this is what is needed, unfortunately I had to restore the last good version as there was so much shite (he's Russian, the IPA to pronounce his name was changed to rRussian, Russian flags etc.). So your PP has disappeared, would you mind popping back and doing that again? Cheers! CaptainScreebo Parley! 17:31, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Got it, thanks for the note. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:33, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Saw that, smooth move, fast too, talk page needs keeping an eye on too. Am I right in thinking that User:R.Arden can still edit the article as he has a user account? CaptainScreebo Parley! 17:46, 3 January 2013 (UTC)
Yes, that's right, he is autoconfirmed. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:49, 3 January 2013 (UTC)

Conflict Resolution

Hello! I've been looking for a third party to help resolve some harsh conflicts I've dealt with over the past week. I don't have much experience resolving such editing conflicts. Can you please help? The page titles and diff links—both in chronological order from old to new—are listed below. I hope we can reach peaceful compromise on these articles.

The Truman Show

Cup o' Java (19 months ago)

Hi, I'll take a look at it. I don't have time at the moment though. Any of my talk page stalkers are welcome to jump in, as well. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:55, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Well, as the usual stalker, I'll see that I can do :) — ΛΧΣ21 04:33, 5 January 2013 (UTC)
Erm, can you please try to get that done? It's been more than a week now... –Cup o' Java (talkcontribs) 01:33, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Sorry about that, but I'm not sure I'll be able to get to it. Have you tried WP:3O? Mark Arsten (talk) 15:50, 15 January 2013 (UTC)

Forgot to delete

Despite closing the debate, you forgot to delete Superstar Santhosh Pandit. Thank you. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 04:42, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Upon further research, never mind. That Redirect appears to be a replacement of a very flawed actual Article that you did delete. I'm sorry I bothered you. The Mysterious El Willstro (talk) 06:25, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Otis Redding


if you have time, could you perform a rewrite of Otis Redding, as the recent copyedits introduced more errors? Regards.--Tomcat (7) 11:52, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

To be honest, I'm not sure that I'll have time to do that, sorry! Mark Arsten (talk) 20:49, 5 January 2013 (UTC)

Disciplined Agile Delivery

Mark, I'm a bit confused as to why you decided to delete the DAD page. We have a thriving online community, support from competing vendors (IBM and Microsoft), an Italian LinkedIn group for DAD was just started. Yes, DAD has only been out publicly since June, but it's clearly catching on. The reason why I put the effort into starting the page in the first place is because of an email around the lines of why there wasn't a Wikipedia page.

Also, I found it strange that although I'm on the watch list for that page that I didn't receive a notice that it was deleted. The way I found out is when the owner of the Italian DAD group emailed me after trying to update the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScottWAmbler (talkcontribs) 16:28, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

Hello, I deleted the page because there was a consensus to do so at the Afd. Oddly enough, no one is required to notify you of the discussion. (I've always thought that should be required, but last I checked it wasn't) It may be possible to have the article undeleted if you can provide sufficient evidence that the company is notable. To be notable (for Wikipedia purposes) companies have to have received coverage that meets the WP:CORPDEPTH guidelines. Blogs and press releases usually aren't enough to establish notability. To restore the page, we would need to have evidence that there is "significant coverage [of it] in reliable sources". The sources don't need to be online, but we would need verifiable independent sources (WP:V) to write about the group (blogs and forums don't count). I'm willing to userfy the deleted article so you can add more citations/proof of notability. When you've done that, you can go to WP:DRV to apply to have the draft reinstated. You would probably have to show a clear improvement over the deleted version though. Let me know if you have any questions. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:34, 7 January 2013 (UTC)

I think there was some confusion at the very beginning. Disciplined Agile Delivery (DAD) is a methodology, not a company. It's described in IBM whitepapers from a couple of years ago, the book which came out in June, the DAD site (hosted by Wordpress, which might not be helping this issue), and two LinkedIn discussion forums (one English and a new Italian one). People are also blogging about it, there is stuff on Google+ and IBM DevWorks that I know of. There are also magazine articles too, albeit in print and not easy to reference. Another problem was that when I first posted the page the first links were to the book and the site, which triggered a concern about it being a marketing page. Most important is there is a growing community around DAD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ScottWAmbler (talkcontribs) 16:12, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

The book is probably an OK source, but we'll need more than that. Blogs, forums, and community unfortunately don't count for much in Wikipedia's definition of "notability". I think the best way forward would be to track down the magazine articles that discuss it. If you can come up with some good coverage in reputable magazines, you stand an OK shot at getting it undeleted. WP:RX is a good resource for finding obscure articles. Good luck, Mark Arsten (talk) 17:04, 8 January 2013 (UTC)
Hi there, ScottWAmbler! I couldn't help but notice in this user talk page's diffs that you haven't signed your posts: SineBot, an automatic Wikipedia account that signs unsigned posts, signed them for you. No worries! Just put four tildes, like this one ~, at the end of your posts. Then we'll all know who you are and when you write your posts, and SineBot won't have to do it for you. For example, here's what is entered when I type in four tildes: "Cup o' Java (19 months ago)". Try it! It'll show up once you save your changes. You can also customize your signature in your preferences to your preference, in which case you should enter three tildes, not four. Just keep the markup short – that's my current personal project on Wikipedia. Cup o' Java (19 months ago)

Can you put it up for a another week or so? I chatted with a few people about this and they've indicated they'll help fill out the page a bit. Thanks. ScottWAmbler (talk) 20:36, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm confused, what do you mean by "put it up"? Mark Arsten (talk) 22:22, 13 January 2013 (UTC)

Undelete it. ScottWAmbler (talk) 16:22, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Mark, is it possible to restore the article as it was when you deleted it so that we can work on it some more? Thanks in advance. ScottWAmbler (talk) 14:40, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

I can move a copy to your userspace for you to work on, yes. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:26, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
I've put a userspace draft at User:ScottWAmbler/Disciplined Agile Delivery. You can work on this and improve it here. When you are finished with your improvements, you can apply to have it reinstated at WP:DRV. Let me know if you have any questions, Mark Arsten (talk) 17:31, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Working out the details at Wikipedia:Today's article for improvement

The RFC for TAFI is nearing it's conclusion, and it's time to hammer out the details over at the project's talk page. There are several details of the project that would do well with wider input and participation, such as the article nomination and selection process, the amount and type of articles displayed, the implementation on the main page and other things. I would like to invite you to comment there if you continue to be interested in TAFI's development. --NickPenguin(contribs) 02:46, 8 January 2013 (UTC)

John Le Mesurier

Hi Mark! This is just a quick note to let you know of the recent FAC of the character actor John Le Mesurier which I have co-nominated along with Schrodinger's cat is alive and Dr. Blofeld. Confident it meets all featured article criteria and should the subject matter interest you enough, we would welcome any comments or criticisms that you may have to offer. Best as always! -- CassiantoTalk 21:56, 9 January 2013 (UTC)

That does look pretty interesting. I might be able to help, but I have 3 PR/GA review in progress now so my availability is a bit limited! Mark Arsten (talk) 14:54, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
Hey, no problem at all. If you can fit it in within the next couple of weeks then great. If not, I understand completely. Regards -- CassiantoTalk 20:18, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

An invitation for you!

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Hello, Mark Arsten. You're invited to join WikiProject Today's article for improvement. If you're interested in participating, please add your name to the list of members. Happy editing! Northamerica1000(talk) 00:02, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Cheryl Ritchko-Buley

Cheryl Ritchko-Buley (edit|talk|history|protect|delete|links|watch|logs|views)

I would like to move this article to her new married name. You had protected it so I thought I would check with you first. The BLP had originally mentioned it on at the help desk as being in need of update. There are sources now that assert this is the same person, she has moved to KY, and changed her name.--Canoe1967 (talk) 19:50, 11 January 2013 (UTC)
I personally don't have an opinion on the matter, but I think it would be best to wait for more people to comment at the requested move on the talk page before moving it. It's only been open for four days, so you might get some more people commenting. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:54, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Alexis Bachelot

I nominated Alexis Bachelot for TFA on his birthday, please improve the blurb, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:52, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Oh excellent, thanks for doing that. I had made a mental note to nom it for his birthday but I totally forgot about it. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:07, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

Peer review, "May I have more??"

Hi Mark, thanks for your circumcision peer review comments! I believe I have caught up to you here, I'd love more when you get a chance. Zad68 21:26, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome, glad to help. I have a few more notes in a text file, I'll try to get around to adding them soon. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:15, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
I see 'em, thanks, will get to work. Zad68 16:49, 25 January 2013 (UTC)


Hey. Just stepping in to see of everything is okay. Several days have passed since the last time we spoke. Regards. — ΛΧΣ21 03:58, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, things are Ok with me. I'm dealing with some off-wiki irritations, so I haven't had as much time for on-wiki irritations ;) Mark Arsten (talk) 14:15, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
Hehe Okay. I hope you find an easy and steady way to get rid of both types of irritations ;) See you later — ΛΧΣ21 16:56, 17 January 2013 (UTC)
  • Mark, truer words were never spoken. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:37, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Alben Barkley

Hey, Mark. If you have time, would you comment on my peer review of Vice President Alben Barkley? The jump from governors to vice president has proven a little steeper than I thought, but I still think this can be FA soon. Be forewarned; it's lengthy. Thanks. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 14:19, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

I'll try to get to review it, I have a couple reviews lined up already so it might take a little while, sorry! Mark Arsten (talk) 19:04, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
No problem. If the review closes before you get around to it, I'll drop you a note when it goes to FAC. Acdixon (talk · contribs) 13:56, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Eye color article again

Mark, are you still watching this article? I'm asking because now I'm worried about a registered editor editing it and elsewhere on Wikipedia. The editor is Wikkedout. See this section I started on the Eye color talk page about him or her. Judging by his or her contributions, he or she doesn't edit Wikipedia often, at least not as a registered editor, which also explains his or her lack of understanding about how Wikipedia is supposed to work; see his or her talk page for my point on that. Flyer22 (talk) 00:16, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

No, I hadn't seen that. I'll take a look. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:04, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. Flyer22 (talk) 19:10, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Discipline Global Mobile

Hi Mark!

You GA-reviewed DGM and are an administrator. Please examine the last day's edits at DGM.

Editors are welcome to add deep links, which are not prohibited by WP policy (although they are not required either). Such links, although prohibited by the terms of service of DGM, may help readers too stupid to use search facilities.

However, tag-bombing working links (with explicit titles allowing easy access at DGM) as "broken" (sic.) is only the worst of the mischief.

Kiefer.Wolfowitz 19:48, 18 January 2013 (UTC)

Hi Kiefer, thanks for the note. I'm hesitant to get too involved here for fear of creating the appearance that I'm following Andy around (having just blocked him about an unrelated matter a couple weeks ago). I did notice the non-deep linking in the GA review and didn't see a problem with it then. I don't see what's so troubling about the way the links had been presented, other than being out of the ordinary. I'd suggest a talk page Rfc as a way forward--I think those have been used in the past for relatively minor things like a dispute over which date format to use, so it might be merited in this case. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:15, 18 January 2013 (UTC)
Andy is still on probation, I understand, so he should similarly be understanding of needing to check in with parole officers. ;)
Andy did add a url, which is disrespectful to DGM but not against policy. His insult to the DGM staff was a BLP violation. Rubin screwed up the references and didn't have the apprentice craftsmanship to notice or to fix it.
Kiefer.Wolfowitz 00:59, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
There seems to be consensus at Talk:DGM and the five other places KW brought this up; there is no reason to shallow-link. He hasn't suggested ways to fix his errors on the talk page. I can think of one for all the citation templates except {{cite web}}. I can think of a complicated way to fix the {{cite web}}, but none for the inline links. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 03:58, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
Noting prior discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (policy)#Prohibited (sic) links; this appears to be forum-shopping. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:35, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
Uh, no it just seems like guys talking. Ceoil (talk) 20:17, 19 January 2013 (UTC)
@Andy: "appears to be forum/shopping", appears to somebody unfamiliar with WP policy. Mark was the reviewer for the article's GA status.
@Arthur, if you wish to be constructive, then you could add deep-links to three items you commented out, disobeying the DGM terms of use. (Fripp has a comment on the Terms of Use in the diary, which is informative. Obviously no terms of use suffices when civility and goodwill are lacking.)
As it is, you have left a redundant sentence, which is OR now, which introduced the three links, in case somebody wished to verify the statement. You have also edit warred to keep the redundancy in. Either remove it or restore the citations (linking the items if you wish to violate the ToS). Kiefer.Wolfowitz 18:53, 19 January 2013 (UTC)

Adrianna Franch

Hello, you previously deleted the article for Adrianna Franch. She was recently drafted to the **professional team** Western New York Flash in the National Women's Soccer League [1][2] Can you re-instate the article? Hmlarson (talk) 20:34, 23 January 2013 (UTC)

Ok. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:26, 24 January 2013 (UTC)


Hey Mark, I need a short favor, can you please hide my contributions and make them invisible to users? Thank You ! — Tomíca(T2ME) 17:31, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused, what do you mean? I think the only way to hide contributions is by revdeleting or oversighting, what were you thinking of? Mark Arsten (talk) 17:36, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
I was thinking that admins can hide my contributions, making visible only for me and not other users. Isn't that possible? — Tomíca(T2ME) 17:56, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
This is the first I've heard of that, to be honest. I don't think that's possible, but I guess I can't say for sure. Sorry! Mark Arsten (talk) 17:58, 24 January 2013 (UTC)
Haha it's okay. Thanks anyway :) ! — Tomíca(T2ME) 18:02, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

LOL... I know exactly the reason why you are asking this.  — Statυs (talk, contribs) 22:34, 24 January 2013 (UTC)

Lynching of Laura and L.D. Nelson GAN

Hi Mark, just to let you know that I've replied to your points here. Best, SlimVirgin (talk) 17:38, 25 January 2013 (UTC)

  • Cripes, that's a... startling article. Good job Slim! — Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:47, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
    • Very much so. Terrible topic, well-done article. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:07, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
      • Well, they can't all be flowery. Don't you dare change the contents of that box at the top of this page though! I gotta bug you to get Church of the SubGenius to FA. — Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:15, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
        • Good point, I never ended up taking that any further. I don't know, I don't have much enthusiasm for an FAC run with that. Might be more effort than it's worth. Hard for me to gauge how reviewers will react to it. Hmm, I'll think about it. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:03, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Would you mind taking a look at this?

Hi, Mark. If you have a minute, could you please take look at the thread on Faster2010 at ANI? Thanks, Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 20:01, 27 January 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I haven't gotten a chance to look at it yet. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:29, 28 January 2013 (UTC)


Hi Mark, I see you're making good progress with copyediting circumcision over the last few days. I did want to get back into the article to work on the suggestions you left. Let me know when you might be done, I don't want to step on your edits... but please do not at all feel rushed, I have other things I can do. What are you thinking the goal could be here, is a run at FA in the next few weeks or so within reason? Zad68 15:58, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome, glad to help. I'll probably go offline in 45 min or so, so feel free to go after them then. I think FA should be the goal, but I'd wait a little while before going to that. It's good to get a number of eyes on it before FAC, which can be kind of unpredictable. I'd wait for a thorough GA review and then maybe have one of the WP:MED heavy hitters take another look. User:Axl might be a good guy to ask too, he's pretty thorough. Just my advice, I tend to lean towards the side of "overpreparing" for FAC. It's tough to get reviewers though, so use your best judgment. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:10, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
On board with all of that, super! Axl has not been involved in the article development (I can't actually ever remember an edit from Axl) so that's a great candidate. Zad68 16:13, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
...adding, yes I'd really like to have the article reviewed for GA. I've had it listed at WP:GAN for over three weeks now with no takers. I've been doing my part to clear the queue ahead of it by doing GA reviews of older nominations in the same list. I can see why it wouldn't be a 'fun' GA review that I'd be quick to pick up... it's large and has lots of sources to check, and the big Talk page archive hints that there will probably be complainers about the review. If you have a suggestion as to how we can find a GA reviewer for it I'd love to hear it. Zad68 16:27, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Hmm, GA reviews can be hard to find--especially since one of our best MEDRS-knowledgeable GA reviewers was indeffed a few weeks ago. I recall that SilkTork did the review for Clitoris a few months ago, I'll ask him about this. BTW, I'm logging off now, so the article is all yours. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:41, 29 January 2013 (UTC)
Are we talking about "MT"? Yes we need more GA reviewers. I hope to be continuing doing GA reviews; the few I've done so far seem to have been well received. Appreciate what you can do. Zad68 16:49, 29 January 2013 (UTC)

About the Arbitration request

Mark, regarding this, why isn't Legitimus included? Yes, he stated that he has removed himself from the article, but he is still involved and this isn't only about the hebephilia topic. And seeing as he may want to weigh in at the Arbitration request, he would not fit under "uninvolved." Flyer22 (talk) 03:26, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

I knew I'd forget someone! I'll add him in now, thanks. Mark Arsten (talk) 03:33, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Okay. Thanks back at you. Flyer22 (talk) 03:44, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Also, Mark, regarding your statement in the Arbitration request, KimvdLinde wasn't a part of any dispute on the talk page. She was a part of the dispute in the WP:ANI discussion, though, of course. Flyer22 (talk) 04:02, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
I guess you're technically right. I saw she had opened a section on the talk page, but that was after the thread opened. Mark Arsten (talk) 05:13, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Yes, and I did feel that I was being too technical in a way that it can seem trivial or be annoying. Flyer22 (talk) 05:55, 30 January 2013 (UTC)
Well, Arbcom cases call for technical precision, so that's forgivable :) Mark Arsten (talk) 13:47, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

FWIW, User:FormerIP also participated both at hebephilia and the ANI discussion.— James Cantor (talk) 18:09, 30 January 2013 (UTC)

Ahh, I hadn't noticed that since the talk page was archived. Maybe I should add him. Well, it looks like the case will be accepted, so I guess that's good news. Also, you might want to review this page to familiarize yourself with how the proceedings work. This is the most recent major case (coincidentally also related to sexuality), so that might be helpful to look at, to some extent at least. The case ended up being a major train-wreck though, to be honest. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:24, 31 January 2013 (UTC)
Thanks! That's a great help.— James Cantor (talk) 16:28, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

A request

Hey, Mark. How have you been? I came here asking for you a favor, if you don't mind. I made a few adjustments to Pedro II of Brazil, one of the very first FAs I wrote. What I did was mostly remove redundant info and tone down some words to leave them more "neutral". I wonder if you could (once you have time and patience) review it and improve anything that is needed. If you do, please pay a close attention to two subsections: "Total victory and its heavy costs" and "Decadence". If you don't, then let it be. Regards, --Lecen (talk) 20:23, 2 February 2013 (UTC)

Hi Lecen, good to hear from you again. Sure, that sounds fine, I'll put it on my to-do list. Mark Arsten (talk) 01:45, 3 February 2013 (UTC)
That's great, Mark. Thanks a lot. P.S.: Take your time, ok? --Lecen (talk) 04:45, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Mark, in "Total victory and its heavy costs" there is a sentence that says "Caxias was also a politician and was an opposing party to the ministry". This is not correct. Caxias was a member of the Conservative Party. The prime minister was a member of the Progressive League (i.e.: Liberal Party). But that doesn't mean that Caxias was actually opposing the prime minister. At least not in that moment. Could you change to something in the lines of "was a member of the opposing party to the ministry" or similar? --Lecen (talk) 23:14, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I must have been confused for some reason. I put your suggested wording back in. Mark Arsten (talk) 23:17, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
That's ok. You did a fine job there. I really appreciate it. --Lecen (talk) 23:39, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
I saw the last improvements. The article looks great now. I know you're quite busy and I'm glad you took time to review and improve the article. Thanks a lot, Mark. --Lecen (talk) 14:42, 10 February 2013 (UTC)
You're welcome glad to help. That was better written than most copyedit-requests I get, for sure! Mark Arsten (talk) 17:34, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Gravity Bone FAC

Hey! I have nominated Gravity Bone for FA and I'd like to know if you would be able to review it. Thanks! — ΛΧΣ21 18:36, 3 February 2013 (UTC)

Hope it goes well. I'll try to give it a look, but it may be a little while before I can get around to it. Mark Arsten (talk) 19:03, 3 February 2013 (UTC)


Thanks for so far copy-editing "Cry Me a River". With your help the prose flows a lot better. Is it still much c/e needed? Cheers! — Tomíca(T2ME) 17:16, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome, glad to help. I'm done with my edits, I think it's in pretty good shape now. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:18, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Lol. I just saw the queries you posted on the talk. I will revisit them. Thanks again. — Tomíca(T2ME) 17:21, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Yeah, some of those are pretty common issues, getting the serial commas standardized can be a real pain. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:29, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
As I replied I am not familiar with the serial comma at all, because I believe in my maternal language. I need some additional explanation how it works. Does an article must include this kind of comma, or it can be removed? — Tomíca(T2ME) 17:32, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
You know, I think you're the first Macedonian speaker I've ever spoken to :) The general rule for Wikipedia is that the serial comma is optional, but its use should be standard within an article -- i.e. Every series should have one, or every series should not. So if you have "A, B, and C" and "X, Y and Z", you need to either remove the comma after B or add a comma after Y. Does this make sense? Mark Arsten (talk) 17:36, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Lol. I sure am. I got it what the serial comma is about, but I see what you meant when said "real pain", so I think I will remove all of them and everybody is happy in that way xD. — Tomíca(T2ME) 17:39, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Oh yes, I just noticed we have a section on it: MOS:SERIAL. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:42, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
I removed all the serial commas, although thanks for the instructions. Btw, I revisited the comments, you can come and see the answers. — Tomíca(T2ME) 17:56, 4 February 2013 (UTC)
Ok, thanks, I'll check it out later. Mark Arsten (talk) 18:04, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Hey Mark! How is it goin'? Do you think you can revisit the comments soon. Thank You :) — Tomíca(T2ME) 15:47, 9 February 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I'll swing by and check it out. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:14, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. There it is, second try, let's hope it goes well ;) ! — Tomíca(T2ME) 18:35, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Great, hope it goes well. Mark Arsten (talk) 22:34, 9 February 2013 (UTC)
Hey Mark. How are you? Can you please revisit some of the comments on the FAC added by Till (talk · contribs). I fixed most of them, but with some of them I have trouble tbh. Thank You. — Tomíca(T2ME) 10:50, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
I've made a few tweaks to the language, hopefully beneficial ones. Mark Arsten (talk) 16:53, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
Of course. Thank you. — Tomíca(T2ME) 18:54, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jennifer Dombrowski

I started to comment, went to class, and came back to my office, to add my 'delete' comment, without refreshing the page. My bad. Bearian (talk) 20:18, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Well, better late than never :) Mark Arsten (talk) 20:20, 4 February 2013 (UTC)


William Robinson Brown is officially up for FA. Just an FYI. Montanabw(talk) 00:43, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, I'll try to find time to make it over there. Mark Arsten (talk) 00:56, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Andreas Kraniotakes

Thank you for retarding Wikipedia and removing my article Andreas Kraniotakes!

All bad to you

ArkadiuszEurope (talk) 10:19, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

You're welcome. Mark Arsten (talk) 14:42, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Juno Lee

Hey Mark. I see that you closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Antonio Canobbio as Redirect. There was another article (Juno Lee that was also tagged for this AFD. The Delete-!voting IP mentioned it, but it's unclear what relation if any it had to the Canobbio article - it might be that the Juno Lee article just copied the format and left the AFD intact. Not sure what to do here - could you have a look, since you closed this debate? Thanks. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 17:13, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

Huh, that is really weird. He created the article with the deletion template (and the same infobox), so I redirected per the outcome. But looking at Titmouse, Inc. it says they're different people. Now that I think about it, I suggest prodding Juno Lee. Mark Arsten (talk) 17:22, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
I may just do that, once I've had a chance to dig into it a little. Thanks for having a look. UltraExactZZ Said ~ Did 20:01, 5 February 2013 (UTC)
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