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Thank you[edit]

Gee Mike, I didn't even know you had nominated me for recognition for my small amount of work on the Fort Yellowstone article. Had I known they were handing out accolades I would have nominated you...it was your article afterall...my contributions were just to formatting and some tweaks here and there. Anyway, thank you very much.--MONGO 02:28, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Montana newbie[edit]

I think we have a good potential newbie here, may need some hand-holding, and you are possibly better at this than I: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Faerie_ixi Montanabw(talk) 01:01, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

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Rainbow?[edit]

This is probably a steelhead, right? I took this photo last June and I knew that there were plenty of steelhead in that river. If you can help me identify it, I can upload it to Commons. Thanks. Jsayre64 (talk) 19:41, 19 January 2014 (UTC)

Jsay, it certainly looks like an Oncorhynchus mykiss, most likely a sea-run if in the lower reaches of the John Day. --Mike Cline (talk) 01:10, 20 January 2014 (UTC)
It was at Service Creek, so I guess that's the lower John Day. I'll upload the photo soon. Thanks! Jsayre64 (talk) 04:04, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

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Your GA nomination of Cutthroat trout[edit]

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GANs[edit]

Mike, I'm doing wikicup, if you need a GAN, I can get points for doing a review, so feel free to ping me if you wish to. Just saying, you don't have to, I won't be butt-hurt if you don't, but... Montanabw(talk) 19:18, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

A treat for you![edit]

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Welcome for you thanks about cutthroat! I didn't know Rainbow Trout is in for FAC. Anyway, I am quite satisfied with your excellent work here and all the other articles you are developing now. This is all through which I can express my admiration for you! And yes, with a Support by me at the FAC page! Good luck for all you do in the future! Sainsf <^>Talk all words 11:07, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Mexican native trout[edit]

Nice start. Have you considered expanding it so it could be WP:DYKed? Let me know if you need assistance with the DYK process. Cheers, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:34, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Ah, nice. Good luck with the FAC; I am afraid trouts are way beyond any of my expertise. The article looks good MoS style, though. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 13:41, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

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Revenge? (heh, heh)[edit]

If you want to get revenge on me for Rainbow Trout (grin), I am putting up Thunder (mascot) for a possible FAC and am asking for an informal peer review at the article talk page first. (I don't like regular PR, stuff can languish...and may attract trolls; prefer to find really picky wiki-friends who are FAC veterans) Especially need non-horsey people to look at it. All comments appreciated. Montanabw(talk) 06:18, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Mexican native trout[edit]

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new title[edit]

the fine article on Outline of United States federal Indian law and policy I think should be retitled to United States federal Indian law and policy. That will encourage sections to be expanded, such as I am doing with Treaties. Rjensen (talk) 11:30, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

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Ack[edit]

Sorry I was a little snarky today; you know how bad the weather sucks around here right now. Cabin fever season. Also, found out a week or two ago that I have to have cataract surgery, which doubly sucks, but is why I don't always see duplicate wikilinks and have trouble distinguishing { from [ . So maybe we can toss all the caution templates at the PR and go onward through the fog. Montanabw(talk) 03:21, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

caltrout[edit]

Did you see the reply on my talk page? Axl ¤ [Talk] 00:56, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Trout[edit]

I asked Casliber for help with the naming issues on those darn trout...near the bottom of his talkpage...whatever works basically so long as only an idiot would misunderstand...that was the gist of our exchange.--MONGO 19:55, 5 March 2014 (UTC)

Rainbow![edit]

This time as an exclamation, not a question

Huge congrats on the promotion just now! Jsayre64 (talk) 00:40, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Yay, finally, that thing was on the verge of making the perfect the enemy of the good; here's hoping that cutthroat goes a little smoother. Montanabw(talk) 01:56, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Yes. Congrats to Mike, he of indefatigable persistence and saintly patience. Very glad things ended happily. Finetooth (talk) 02:34, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Nice work Mike on taking the helm and getting Rainbow trout to FA....kudos!--MONGO 05:50, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks to everyone who helped on this: @Sasata:, @Axl:, @Montanabw:, @Jsayre64:, @Finetooth:, @Mongo:, @Sainsf:, @Casliber:, @John:. Three more to go: Cutthroat trout, Brook trout and Brown trout. --Mike Cline (talk) 13:56, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

👍 Like Montanabw(talk) 20:51, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

It looks like Montanabw does not object to my suggestions for the California Trout and Steelhead Society text. Could you change this in the article please? Axl ¤ [Talk] 15:32, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done --Mike Cline (talk) 15:46, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Axl ¤ [Talk] 16:44, 9 March 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Mike. Ready to help you with the rest three you have to work on. Great work, and congrats! Sainsf <^>Talk all words 10:59, 10 March 2014 (UTC)
Cutthroat trout is at PR and needs more people looking at it. Montanabw(talk) 20:51, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

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To Mike Cline, for writing the article "Rainbow trout". Axl ¤ [Talk] 15:29, 9 March 2014 (UTC)


Thank you and best wishes. Axl ¤ [Talk] 15:29, 9 March 2014 (UTC)

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Cutthroat trout PR[edit]

I'm almost done there and don't have anything else to add. I suspect the article is near FA quality. I'll run through it once again tomorrow.--MONGO 22:47, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

I am done too, I think it's time to close the PR and get ready to send through the FAC gauntlet. This one should go a bit smoother than rainbow did, I hope. I may still do a light prose copyedit over the whole thing if I have time, but it won't change my support for it at FAC, either way. Montanabw(talk) 03:04, 16 March 2014 (UTC)

Wild trout[edit]

Not raising this at the FAC, but this article outlines one example of why some people make a big deal about wild trout versus hatchery trout. Hope it is helpful in some way. Montanabw(talk) 19:09, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Columbia River redband trout[edit]

Yep, it was based on the content of the article. However I will make a point about may of the state categories on species articles. Do we really need them? The projects are for collaboration. I not sure that most people interested in articles about a state are going to be working on species related articles. Also, for some of these, the number of state articles can get high. I'm of the mind that these should not be listed at the state level if they are in more then one state, but listed at Wikipedia:WikiProject United States instead. Yea, at the endangered or very restricted range level they may be of interest to state projects. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:09, 17 March 2014 (UTC)

Is rainbow trout a joke?[edit]

Rainbow trout has been nominated for TFA on April Fool's Day. You probably want to comment here: [[1]] I'll wait for your views before I vote over there. Montanabw(talk) 17:00, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

BW, Thanks. I opposed at TFA. --Mike Cline (talk) 17:23, 19 March 2014 (UTC)
"Teh drahmahz" never end. :-P Montanabw(talk) 01:16, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Streambed access[edit]

Saw you popped by Montana Stream Access Law. If you want to collaborate to get that suckerbear to GA (or better), I'm in. To that end, I popped a ton of research I've done in the past on the issue onto the talk page. As of January of this year, we have further refinement of the law. FWIW, I've (reluctantly) began to tackle a few law articles, but it has to be something I actually GAF about. Which on this one, I do. Montanabw(talk) 20:55, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Edit war on Threads page[edit]

I'm not sure if this is the correct method of going about this but I would like help with arbitration over an edit war on the Threads page and talk page on the subject of the condition of a character's baby, the script for which is below:

139. Interior. Hospital. Night.
The baby is delivered in the hospital. JANE is in a bed and crying out when the pain is bad. Other patients take no notice of her. The body is being wrapped in the bloody cloth which it has just been wiped with. There is silence. The baby is given to JANE, who stares down at the bundle in her arms. Her face turns to horror and disgust. She pushes the baby away from her and open her mouth to scream.
Freeze frame.
Roll end credits.

Whereas explicit reference is not made to either stillbirth nor deformity, both are implied, the baby is "silent", which suggests that the infant is dead, and Jane looks away with "horror and disgust" which suggests that there is something to be disgusted about. It should also be noted that it is set after a nuclear war. Several people have made cases on the talk page (mine can be found at the bottom) but Nick Cooper has persistently reverted any edits that made reference to deformation. He has also inserted a warning (which I have removed) that he would report any further edit as vandalism. It might be helpful to watch the last 5 or 10 minutes of the film which can be found on YouTube. Hayek79 (talk) 22:05, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, watch the film and see no deformity, no mutation, etc., just a bloody bundle of rags. You can't describe what isn't there. Nick Cooper (talk) 22:34, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Fishing Creek (North Branch Susquehanna River)/archive3[edit]

I've responded to the comments at the above FAC. I hope you will support the article now. --Jakob (talk) 22:22, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

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A barnstar for you![edit]

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Congrats on getting Cutthroat trout to Featured Article! [2] MONGO 04:21, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

👍 LikeYes! Double hooray for you ! Congrats. That's now two fish! Perhaps a red fish is next? Montanabw(talk) 06:16, 19 April 2014 (UTC)

A Barnstar for You![edit]

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Yellowstone cutthroat trout

The cutthroat trout (Oncorhynchus clarki) is a fish species of the salmonidae family native to cold-water tributaries of the Pacific Ocean, Rocky Mountains and Great Basin in North America. Cutthroat trout are popular gamefish, especially among anglers who enjoy fly fishing. The common name "cutthroat" refers to the distinctive red coloration on the underside of the lower jaw. The specific name clarki was given to honor explorer William Clark, coleader of the Lewis and Clark Expedition. Cutthroat trout usually inhabit and spawn in small to moderately large, clear, well-oxygenated, shallow rivers with gravel bottoms. They also reproduce in clear, cold, moderately deep lakes. They are native to the alluvial or freestone streams that are typical tributaries of the Pacific basin, Great Basin and Rocky Mountains. Cutthroat trout spawn in the spring and may inadvertently but naturally hybridize with rainbow trout, producing fertile cutbows. Several subspecies of cutthroat trout are currently listed as threatened due to habitat loss and the introduction of non-native species. The cutthroat trout type species and several subspecies are the official state fish of seven western U.S. states. (Full article...)

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Precious[edit]

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leadership
Thank you, Mike, for a passionate catchy infobox of yourself, for quality articles such as Cutthroat trout and Fort Yellowstone, for the 518 articles you already donated, for the Inclusionist's Guide To Deletion Debates, "for steadfast and calm adminship and leadership of WP:Montana and treating users with great decency", - repeating: you are an awesome Wikipedian (26 February 2012)!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:18, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment[edit]

Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by Anna Frodesiak. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:46, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Brook trout[edit]

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I put up some comments on this article and saw a few edits, but I wasn't sure if you checked the GAN page, so am putting the article on hold for a bit. Montanabw(talk) 04:18, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Today's featured article/June 13, 2014[edit]

Good job Mike!--MONGO 03:59, 13 June 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Brook trout[edit]

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A belated barnstar[edit]

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Presented to Mike Cline
For researching, writing and building to FA class, almost from scratch, the Cutthroat trout article.
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👍 Like Great barnstar and great job! Montanabw(talk) 23:59, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

new to Wikipedia[edit]

Hi Mike, Thanks for helping us move forward here at MSU. I look forward to further conversation. LB Sterman (talk) 22:42, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

MSU Affiliated ID Template[edit]

Hi Mike,

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is designed to read for only students or alumni ... is it possible to tweak this or create another to be more all-inclusive of any MSU affiliated staff, student, alumni and faculty?

or maybe also create one for the MSU Library? ... Montana State University Library

then we can have our associated Wikipedians put the templete on their User talk pages.

Bonnie ... oops McMormor (talk) 16:33, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Uh, yeah, just like that!! LOL ... I think it will help newbie MSU related Wikipedians and our established old-timer Wikipedians by identifying those affiliated with MSU who are actively participating in learning and contributing to Wikipedia in an academic and professional Wikipedia manner. What do you think? And do I answer you here or on my talk page? McMormor (talk) 17:47, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Usually, these infoboxes can be subjected to ever-expanding nuances to the point where a person could (and can!) choose between Over 30 possible Dr. Who userboxes (grin). So, no reason a person can't go over to WP:USERBOX and root around in other examples and either create a faculty/staff box or a more inclusive userbox design. The big use of these is to create categories where like-minded people can find each other. Oh, did I mention that WikiPedia can become a complete and utter time sink? You have been warned (bwahahahaaa!) Montanabw(talk) 21:26, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

ALA Annual in Las Vegas[edit]

Hey Mike, I was in Vegas this weekend for the American Library Association Annual. I helped with this presentation, where I met Henning Arlitsch. Just want to say you've done some great work with the MSU folks, and it's really neat to see library staff taking an enthusiastic approach to WP. It was a general trend at the conference - while there is still some dubiousness, the library world is really starting to explore how they can build relationships with WP. The Interior (Talk) 16:23, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I've been working with them now for several years and it seems we are breaking down some barriers. This next year should be interesting as I've been selected as a "Wikipedia visiting scholar" for the MSU Library for the upcoming year. A lot of the reference librarians are expressing interest in learning more about Wikipedia to enable them to better serve the faculty and students and I help them most anytime I can. --Mike Cline (talk) 15:00, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
Excellent. The 2015 ALA Annual is in San Francisco, I think we're going to have a bigger presence there, maybe a booth, and definitely a major presentation or two. You should think about making it down, I'm sure you'd be a great presenter on the topic of Wikipedia and libraries. Excited to see the WVS program up and running (and selecting top-notch contributors), I think it's a great model. The Interior (Talk) 15:35, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

William Franklin Raynolds[edit]

Is at GAN as I'm sure you can see...as a step towards FAC later this year. Feel free if your involvement has been slight enough to do the GAN review or direct me to someone who is good with military bios. What a fascinating but not so well known individual....I plan on greatly expanding the details of his Yellowstone explorations as well as whatever I can find regarding his American altitude record.--MONGO 16:37, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

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MSU Library Wiipedian[edit]

Hi Mike! I am a new Wikipedian. I will be at the workshop on Saturday. I have been getting some pre-workshop coaching with Bonnie.Bobbirose (talk) 14:54, 17 July 2014 (UTC)