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2015[edit]

Nearly 2015 in a few hours here in Blighty, happy new year to all talk page stalkers and thanks for all the help over the past year. MilborneOne (talk) 19:05, 31 December 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year to you too....William 20:45, 31 December 2014 (UTC)


Happy New Year MilborneOne![edit]


GR8B8 M8[edit]

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/bait-this-is-bait Andy Dingley (talk) 18:28, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Thanks, nowt so strange as Greek IPs. MilborneOne (talk) 19:39, 9 January 2015 (UTC)


Henry Balding Lewis[edit]

Hi there - did you remove Henry Balding Lewis from the honorary knighthood page? I added the reference I received to his entry after getting from the National Archives of the UK... Thanks... Kevinakling (talk) 22:11, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

No I didnt remove it I just added way back in August a tag that it needed a reference but I missed that it was only a CBE that he was awarded, another user has noticed it is only a CBE and removed it. A CBE is not a knighthood but one rank down in the honours system so does not belong, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 09:19, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Cat Creek, Montana[edit]

An urban legend/hoax campaign that has consumed hours of administrator time is about to happen again as same/another vandal has appeared. See curious history of Doinhoodratstuff. Protection of the article won't stop this campaign as the vandals are smart enough not to come in as anons. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 01:54, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Looks like User:Acroterion got there already. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 02:45, 10 January 2015 (UTC)

Ilyushin Il-114[edit]

Michael, can you look at Ilyushin Il-114, and consider protection? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 07:27, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Green tickY semi for a week MilborneOne (talk) 13:18, 23 January 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 15:45, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Sukhoi Su-34[edit]

Reverted reference doesn't say where two more were delivered, but only how many aircrafts (two). Please excuse myself if I did something wrong. I only replaced them to define sum of 57.Gotech8 (talk) 23:36, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Sukhoi Su-25[edit]

Can you keep an eye on this article. It has been the object of operatives that are trying to change the specifications page to bolster a completely spurious claim by Russia that a Ukrainian SU-25 was responsible for the downing of MH17. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 12:16, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Understood, it seems that the Su-25 was blamed to put the Ukrainians on the spot without checking facts. MilborneOne (talk) 19:40, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Page move over redirect please[edit]

G'day, when you get a chance, could you please move Federal Public Service Transport to Federal Public Service Mobility and Transport, which is the correct name of the Belgian national aviation authority. Cheers YSSYguy (talk) 11:14, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

Green tickY MilborneOne (talk) 18:36, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

User:Fonte de regaz[edit]

Looks like User:Fonte de regaz is back on the F-104 article and talk page. Same bad grammar and pro-Malaysia nonsense. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 03:42, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

And same pattern of removing and/or modifying posts complaining about him/her. - BilCat (talk) 04:07, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks somebody has already blocked the user and I have given the IP a break. MilborneOne (talk) 09:42, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Some people never learn. - BilCat (talk) 09:50, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

"no longer used needs to be added to wikidata"[edit]

Dear sir,

you have violated Wikipedia:Assume good faith. The proper reaction to something done wrong is NOT to revert it; it's to do it right (in other words, fix it).

-- Wesha (talk) 19:58, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Clearly not a disagreement as we dont add these links anymore, sorry I dont have time to do other peoples tasks at this time, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 20:00, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Then do not revert, and allow people who a) have time, b) know how to do it, do it. (Because I don't know how to do it, sorry). My contribution was constructive (adding relevant and correct content, if incorrect in form). Your change was destructive (removing relevant and correct information), whereas the constructive change here would be correcting my edit. (BTW in ru-wiki such interwiki corrections are made by bots). -- Wesha (talk) 20:04, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
I am not sure following normal practice is destructive, perhaps have a read of Help:Interlanguage links if it helps. MilborneOne (talk) 20:06, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
I believe practices that violate rather clearly defined rule is not normal:
This problem was fixable. "I have no time" is not an excuse. -- Wesha (talk) 20:18, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Works for me, and no it was not fixable as I had no idea what the non-English link says I am unlikely to add it to Wikidata myself, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 20:22, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
Wesha, you're obviously able to read instructions, so rather than continue to waste your time lecturing the same point over and over again, try learning how to use Wikidata instead. All you're doing here is making a nuisance of yourself. - BilCat (talk) 20:25, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Vehicle categories[edit]

Aircraft manufacturing companies are no different than other companies -- will take to wikiproject (end of message) User:Ceyockey (talk to me) 20:03, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Westland WS-51 Dragonfly[edit]

Michael I did a partial revert on the operators list, as it appears to defeat the purpose of WP:AIRCRAFT-OPERATORS guidelines. While it's great idea (RMS ships) it seems to be inundate the reader with more information than needs to be. Perhaps theres a way to compact it or open up a historical operations from ships (section). It would also be great if the ship and land bases could be wikilink - regards FOX 52 (talk) 21:57, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

No problem, I will try and find a better way of doing it I am not a great fan of hiding stuff but they may be a way of getting it into the operational section or as a summary somehow. MilborneOne (talk) 22:09, 1 February 2015 (UTC)
OK sounds good, I see if I can put together some drafts on my end - FOX 52 (talk) 03:08, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

El Portillo Airport[edit]

Re:El Portillo Airport
I don't know either way, but virtual airline was about gaming, and as far as I could tell, many of the pages linking there were supposed to link to virtual airline (economics) so I moved it to virtual airline (hobby) and created a disambiguation page, and changed the pages that linked to it. If you want to, please check my changes. Deunanknute (talk) 20:50, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Understood there appears to be some confusion about a computer based game airline and a business that pretends to be an airline. Not helped by the virtual airline (economics) describing an American version hat is one airline operating for another as opposed to a travel company pretending to be an airline. MilborneOne (talk) 12:19, 4 February 2015 (UTC)

Warnings for trivial issues[edit]

It happened in airline related articles, kindly tell your editor Jetsreamer not to issue ban warnings to people who merely add unsrourced one line content such as new destination in tables, aircraft type leased by an airline in fleet etc. its like someone abused him or something this guy really needs to be chucked from wikipedia team. 139.190.230.234 (talk) 22:08, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Eastern ICAO code and callsign[edit]

I saw that you added the ICAO code and callsign to Eastern Air Lines (2015). I have not seen the announcement that those were assigned. Where did you see them? heat_fan1 (talk) 18:55, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Notice/N_JO_7340_345_eastern_breezy_angel_med.pdf MilborneOne (talk) 18:57, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

Flags[edit]

Pardon me re the flags, I saw some on some pages and not on others - any you missed I removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.229.34.113 (talk) 11:23, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 16:35, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Michael, another page with recurring flag issues, apparently the same user from several IPs, is MIM-104 Patriot. Could you look into semi-protecting the page? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 17:29, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Two-weeks semi to encourage the IP to discuss, any reason why the countries are not alphabetic and I have never seen "NATO" users grouped together before, is it a missile thing? MilborneOne (talk)
Thanks. On the NATO order, I don't know either, as it's not used on most other missile.pages. I'll go ahead and put it in full alpha order. - BilCat (talk) 17:40, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for welcoming me to Wikipedia[edit]

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Thanks for your assistance! Samf4u 21:25, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Edit.warring on T-90 page[edit]

Michael, there's.been an edit war at T-90 for some time now,possibly with socks of one of the users whose been blocked. Could you look into fully protecting the article to encourage more discussion? I have no understanding of the underlying issue, so I've stayed.out of any involvement. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 07:47, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

I will have a look but it is a very confused trying to work out who is who and where the issues are. MilborneOne (talk) 14:59, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Aero & Tech Nexth[edit]

This article has an ongoing issue with IP address COI Spamming. Would it be possible to get it semi-protected? Thank you for considering this request. - Ahunt (talk) 23:16, 7 February 2015 (UTC)

Not sure the activity warrants protection yet, although they keep coming back so I have added it to my watchlist, they have used at least two WP:SPA accounts in the past so semi might not help. I see you have tried to address some of the issues but without reliable sources I am not sure what can be done. MilborneOne (talk) 12:24, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for adding it to your watch list. I did address the issues on the article talk page. As noted, none of the text they are trying to add can be verified anywhere. I have suggested that the company update their own website and I would then be happy to update the article, citing the website. - Ahunt (talk) 14:01, 8 February 2015 (UTC)
Still getting lots of IP spam and vandalism on this article. Do you think a semi is called for yet? - Ahunt (talk) 18:49, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Very close to pushing the button but I have left a message with User:Ktr101 to see if they can make some headway with OTRS, if the guy really wants us to use the latest information and pricing it wouldnt take a lot to update his website after all how is he going to sell the thing without providing reliable data! MilborneOne (talk) 19:14, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
That was my vote from the start: have the company update its own website and I would be happy to add as much data as possible from that, without all the spam and peacock language they keep adding there. Not sure why they insist on doing this all the hard way. Even the manufacturer isn't allowed to vandalize Wikipedia. - Ahunt (talk) 19:33, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Westland Wessex[edit]

Evening

Have you heard of a HU.5C variant of the Westland Wessex? I've been looking at ukserials.com and they list XS485, XS498, XS517, XS518, XT463 & XT479 but the book "Westland Aircraft since 1915" has no mention of the variant. Gavbadger (talk) 21:18, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

I seem to remember HU.5C was the designation used when the Royal Navy HU.5s were transferred to the Royal Air Force, I see if I can find anything. MilborneOne (talk) 20:00, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
I understand they were modified with the removal of armament and change of avionics for use in the Search and Rescue role by 84 Squadron at RAF Akrotiri, Cyprus. MilborneOne (talk) 20:27, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you very much, have you got a reference for it so it can go within the article? Gavbadger (talk) 21:03, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
I have got a reference that they were converted in "Fleet Air Arm Helicopters since 1993" but not found anything reliable yet on what the conversion was. I will see what I can add to the article when I get time. MilborneOne (talk) 18:47, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Help[edit]

Hello, since you are the only admin I really know, I'd like some advice. Recently User:Lugnuts and another user have been exchanging some good old banter. But lugnuts took it to a whole new level by giving me death threats on email and on he'd WP:Rope. I take this very seriously and i'm actually considering retiring from Wikipedia. Thanks and please give sone advice JustPlaneEditing (talk) 07:42, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

I have made no such threat, via email, or any other method. JPE is unhappy with his recent block at WP:3RR. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 08:24, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Unhappy? To be honest I don't care because I rarely edit on Mondays-Thursdays due to Uni. I've considered a police report in this matter and I'll know you'll think it's ridiculous due to the nature of your personality. And they try this lie game because I'm not playing it and retirement is another possibility JustPlaneEditing (talk) 09:36, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
I like to know where I stand when someone makes a false accusation against me. Lugnuts Dick Laurent is dead 09:55, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
I've been suffering from depression and I'm on anti-depression meds. This constant bullying and WP:PA doesn't help. I will need to take a break from editing for a while. And not to mention he's also been blocked and he might be starting damage-control right now imo JustPlaneEditing (talk) 09:57, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
  • MilborneOne, I've left JPE and Lugnuts messages about this on their talk pages. Sorry to barge in on your talk page and possibly step on your toes. --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:09, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks Floquenbeam no need for me to be involved. MilborneOne (talk) 19:01, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
User:JustPlaneEditing just a suggestion if you do not get blocked, when it starts to get to much find a quiet corner of wikipedia to work, something like Category:Articles with links needing disambiguation, or other maintenance work, you are helping the project and should not get into conflict with anybody. MilborneOne (talk) 19:01, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Aérospatiale Alouette III[edit]

Michael, we have an IP hopping editor continuing to make odd edits at Aérospatiale Alouette III. It appears to be the same editor who was making similar edits to Gulfstream IV, and also on Glenanne gang. Can you look into semi-protecting Aérospatiale Alouette III and Glenanne gang? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 17:52, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Green tickY semi for a while to encourage talk page discussion. MilborneOne (talk) 18:49, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks much. - BilCat (talk) 18:57, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

User:134.96.74.162[edit]

Michael, User:134.96.74.162 has been edit warring on Boeing 747-8 against consensus, and has responded to my 3RR warning by warning User talk:Fnlayson and myself, even though we each only made one edit! Can you look into this? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 18:02, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Green tickY semi for a month to encourage talk page discussion. MilborneOne (talk) 18:50, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks much. - BilCat (talk) 18:57, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Fonte de Regaz strikes again, need a semi-protect[edit]

I think the one that you just revert is the same user who just revert my edit and leave a message on my talkpage. Should we semi-protect these four articles?

Thanks! Wakanebe Wizard (talk) 06:08, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

These nothing i won't do it but we need to imrovement.TUDM MRCA Program GRIPIN AND RAFALE WAS OUT OF THE LIST.Only Super hornet and Typhoon.then Some people are stupid follow the wrong step.Colt CM901 WAS IN Strvices in Malaysian army.Hes wrong milbore one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.136.172.69 (talk) 06:36, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Also RMAF ANd RMN I Won't Edit.I Want to sorry guys.Can You Forgiveme Milboreone.175.136.172.69 (talk) 06:40, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

@175.136.172.69: No matter how you would lie to us, we will know that was you because we have a tools that can detect you. Wakanebe Wizard (talk) 07:55, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── He's back on User:115.132.230.54. Oddly, he's also accused WW and I of being socks of User:Swan183, a username that has never existed, but it's likely he misspelled the name. Now I have no idea who I'm supposed to be, after 8 and years of using this username. - BilCat (talk) 15:21, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! - BilCat (talk) 15:34, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
And now for something completely.different, but still the same: User:Merkava Israel Tank! Someone has way too much time on their hands, methinks. - BilCat (talk) 16:24, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, bagged and packed back to the sock factory. MilborneOne (talk) 18:16, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Found another one: User:175.140.89.11! - BilCat (talk) 01:40, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Jamaican Patois[edit]

Michael, could you look into semi-protecting Jamaican Patois? A series of IPs has been adding unsourced info to the article for several months. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 02:40, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! - BilCat (talk)

Airbus A320neo family[edit]

Michael, could you look at Airbus A320neo family? There's a user edit warring against cconsensus. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 18:43, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

And thanks! - BilCat (talk) 18:53, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

User:187.104.207.100[edit]

Michael, you reverted several edits of User:187.104.207.100 on the Cessna 310 page. Now the user is making similar changes, especially changing thousands commas to spaces. I've reverted the user 3 times already, and warned them twice, to this point. I hope that's enough. - BilCat (talk) 03:01, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 16:50, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
The editor looks suspiciously like Lgfcd (talk · contribs) - the same obsession with forcing references to use citation templates, the same mass changes, the same addition and wikilinking of US postal codes for states.Nigel Ish (talk) 01:12, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Good catch, and I think you are right. I knew the user's style rang a bell, but I couldn't think of anyone it might have been. - BilCat (talk) 01:38, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Just to note 108 been given a 72 hour break to think about what they are doing, IP is the same country as Lgfcd so lurkers may be right. MilborneOne (talk) 18:46, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
I think that User:96.52.230.209 is also almost certainly yet another Lgfcd puppet. Three years or so and over a dozen bans, and he still hasn't taken a hint about CITEVAR. Kyteto (talk) 20:02, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
108 is from Brazil but 96 is a Canadian IP. MilborneOne (talk) 20:11, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
I must have been mistaken - just a coincidence then. Kyteto (talk) 23:44, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Michael, the IP has returned from their block to make the same type of edits again. See Free-electron laser and Welsh rarebit. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 19:17, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

Clearly not listening they now have three-months to think about it. MilborneOne (talk) 12:39, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. Will watch for socks. - ~~

AAM-4 (Japanese missile)[edit]

Michael, could yo move AAM-4 (Japanese missile) to AAM-4? There's no reason to disambiguate the title as far as I can tell. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 16:50, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Green tickY MilborneOne (talk) 17:23, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks - BilCat (talk) 17:29, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

ICAO aviation country codes for aircraft registration[edit]

Hi MilborneOne; I was wondering if you could add CG (Seen as C-G***) to Canadian registration codes on that article? Please and thank you! (: PS. I could not find a reference other than I am a former flight dispatcher and current flight attendant. -even the ICAO only lists "C-" as current, and lists "C-F***" as former....not sure why, as C followed by numbers is one of our many military delegations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Burntgrilledcheese (talkcontribs) 00:20, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

User:107.139.240.12[edit]

Michael, could you look at User:107.139.240.12's edits? They're mostly a mix of anti-India edits or outright vandalism, both with personal attacks/ racist comments. From their talk page, the may be a sock puppet too. I've already issued several warnings tonight. Thanks, as always. - BilCat (talk) 05:51, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Bill, looks like somebody else has blocked them for three months already. MilborneOne (talk) 12:48, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
OK, good. Thanks for looking at it anyways. - BilCat (talk) 13:32, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

F-104[edit]

"he was a team leader and not a sole designer" Can you give me proof of this?Swingcar (talk) 20:37, 25 February 2015 (UTC) In addition it could be written as Kelly Johnson(among others) or something similar. Swingcar (talk) 20:41, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Have you had a read of Kelly Johnson (engineer)? not a reliable source I known but it does say things like "As a member and first team leader of the Lockheed Skunk Works". Francillon's Lockheed Aircraft Since 1913 says ""Under the guidance of Kelly Johnson and project engineer Bill Ralston, the programme then moved swiftly, with mock-up inspection taking place on 30 April.." MilborneOne (talk) 22:53, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Article tag-bombing[edit]

Michael, a series of IP users locating to Victoria, Australia have been adding a large swath of edit headers to Unmanned aerial vehicle. Could you look into this? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 18:38, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

List of Boeing customer codes[edit]

Regarding this [1] edit, Jajanewplus (talk · contribs) is a sock of Jajadelera (talk · contribs). I've informed this to HJ Mitchell, who has been intervening in the block of the many sock of this vandal.--Jetstreamer Talk 12:59, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know, will keep any eye out for similar nonsense edits. MilborneOne (talk) 17:49, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

J'accuse![edit]

I am accusing you of censorship of Wikipedia content for political reasons. You want to edit the Russian input into the media discussion of the crash. You arbitrarily state that the blogspot Fort Russ is not "reliable" (and your proof,monsieur?). Are you aware that Colin Powell lied to the UN Security Concil regarding the presence of WMD's in Iraq and that the New York Times printed his words at face value? Are you aware that an American ABC News "anchor" has just resigned over his on-air statements concerning his experiences in Afghanistan? Are you aware that Lyndon Johnson lied about the attack on the USS Maddox in the Gulf of Tonkin in 1964, and that the New York Times printed his words? Is ABC News "reliable"? Is the New York Times "reliable"? Please show me and the Wikipedia community and administrators in exactly what way Fort Russ is less reliable than ABC News or the New York Times. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Writtenright (talkcontribs)

You need to assume good faith particularly as I have no idea what you are on about but the word "blogspot" is a flag for not a reliable source, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 17:57, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Air Serbia[edit]

Hi, MilborneOne. Can you please keep an eye on the article? AirWolf has become disruptive and keeps reverting my addition of latest financial figures claiming the source I introduced is not reliable. Thanks.--Jetstreamer Talk 10:10, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

I have to give a counter opinion. His edits show that he is acting like owning article and is that arrogant that he is accusing me of "owning" it. His latest financial figures were may be backed by a reliable source, but author of it [source text] [2] used and re-writed promotional content of Air Serbia: [3] which, unfortunetely isn't backed by the official financial statement. If we break the rule here, many other editors will have the absolute right to add similar sources in other articles. Take a look at the world's largest airlines (all top 5) by revenue and see which sources for the financial figures they are using: Qantas, Lufthansa, Air France–KLM and others.
Please, don't just back Jetstreamer given to your relations in airline-related contributions, but read the facts. Otherwise , I'll have to look for the opinion of other, neutral administrators. And please, read once again WP:Verifiability#Reliable_sources--AirWolf talk 10:46, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
The official revised financial statement is expected to be out in 2-3 months and my suggestion is to wait until it is released. Then, we'll have a true, accurate numbers for each figure.--AirWolf talk 10:53, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
OK I need to look your sources which I will do later today. MilborneOne (talk) 14:27, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
As far as I can see Air Transport World is a reliable source, I cant see why the original Air Serbia press release via ATW could not be a reliable source either, all we are doing is reporting the figures. Perhaps User:AirWolf it might be worth us getting a second opinion from WP:RS or the airline project. MilborneOne (talk) 19:02, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
All I will say to you is that I'm glad that our circles have only one intersection point, Air Serbia article. I'm not willing to waste my time in the area of wiki where admins are protecting each other (and other users also), even if they are maybe not right. When the official release come out, I'll replace current data there. Until then, it will stay as harmful, unproven.--AirWolf talk 19:14, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Apart from the lacking in good faith on my behalf AirWolf, I cant see why a press release reported by the industry media is not reliable, are you saying that Air Serbia would lie, I suspect that is probably illegal when dealing with financial data. So I still dont understand where you are coming from, the financial report is also from the airline so by the same logic is not reliable either. MilborneOne (talk) 19:16, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Financial reports, well, at least in Serbia is the case, are revised by the authorized institution and sent to the Serbian Business Registry Agency. Although these figures maybe are accurate, we don't know it until the release of the revisioned official fin. statement. Also, Air Serbia PLC, is not part of any Stock Exch. Market and doesn't have that amount of responsibility towards shareholders, like it is the case in the US etc. That's why I am strongly suggesting to put it on hold for 2 months. I'm out.--AirWolf talk 20:09, 5 March 2015 (UTC)