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This is the talk page for Miniapolis, who is proud to be a Wikipedia editor. Although I can be reached by email, I prefer keeping discussions on-wiki as much as possible. Due to time constraints, I no longer accept direct copyedit requests; please list articles requiring copyediting for GAN, FAC and the like on the Guild of Copy Editors request page (and consider pitching in with the GOCE, which can always use more help!).
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The Signpost: 09 July 2014[edit]

Megadeth[edit]

I realize it probably makes me look like a prick, but I've been undoing a lot of your copyedits to Megadeth. Too many of them have reduced the readability of the prose, while others have introduced ambiguities or otherwise changed the meaning of the prose. In a couple of spots I've noticed that you've moved citations around, breaking text-source integrity. That last one I hope you'll try to be especially careful with. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:53, 14 July 2014 (UTC)

While I appreciate your concerns, Retrohead requested a copyedit for the FAC and I was doing my best. The only citation-moving I've done has been to close a gap after re-casting a sentence. Since it's an FAC, I've put a lot of effort into the copyedit; however, since you seem to want to take it over I'm done with this article and will advise Retrohead. Miniapolis 00:08, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
I don't doubt you were doing your best, and put a lot of effort into it; nor do I want to discourage you from copyediting. This is the rock-and-a-hard-place thing—I can't in good conscience just let it go, but how do I revert without hurting feelings? Obviously I've failed at that, but my first responsibility has to be to the article. Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 01:51, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
Well, since the FA nomination was archived a while ago (which I just discovered, although it wouldn't have affected the amount of effort I put into the article) it's pretty much moot. Looks like Retrohead requested another copyedit from the GOCE because of valid concerns raised by Eric Corbett. I don't mind if my edits are reverted after I've finished a copyedit; what I don't care for is being followed through one. Miniapolis 02:03, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
It's not moot; the article's been copyedited more than once since then, and is now back at FAC again (and if you look at the archived FAC, you'll see there were far more concerns with the article than just Eric's). Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 02:23, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

June 2014[edit]

A while back you said I deleted something without giving a reason. I addition, you later accused me of employing meat puppets. You never responded to my response to your undeserved warning on my web page, so that is why I am posting to your user page.

Since my very few edits have gotten rather intense attention of sock puppets I can see how you could have gotten upset. But I assure you that when I made the deletion to the article, I actually made no contact with anyone else. In fact, the reason why that one person came to my aid is because you posted a warning on my page. And he or she wasn't necessarily friendly to me before that which is why I think he might have been following my page. This of course made it seem like she came out of nowhere for you I guess. Don't get me wrong. I am happy and consider myself very privileged when it occurs and I definitely don't take it for granted when someone helps me. But, I did not seek aid in this. In fact, it turned out you sought aid for me when you posted the warning to my web page.

I have not been editing for long and my first couple of weeks were pretty rocky. So I can't go back in time to fix things that occurred years ago. So yes, this was there for quite some time. However, it should have never been there - especially because of the rules concerning biographies of living persons. I think the low level of interest in the article led to it not being corrected earlier.

I wish you well and hope there is no animosity between us.Hilltrot (talk) 20:27, 15 July 2014 (UTC)

Um, you may have me confused with someone else. I finally found what you're talking about (diffs would have helped), and I made no accusation of meatpuppetry. You removed an entire (reliably-sourced) section with the edit summary "This is clearly absurd and incorrect Russian Propoganda stupidity as well as being libel", which is not supported by any WP policy or guideline. I stand by my comment on your talk page. I'm just a copyeditor who was working on the article because it was tagged as needing copyediting (which it did) and is about a topic I consider encyclopedic, but I have very little patience with edit wars. Please calm down; WP is not a battleground. All the best, Miniapolis 21:41, 15 July 2014 (UTC)
You made your accusation of meatpuppetry [here].
Of particular note "I don't like edit-warring, and I like tag-teaming even less." The first sentence for tag-teaming is "Tag teaming (sometimes also called a "Travelling Circus" or "Factionalism") is a controversial[1] form of meatpuppetry . . ." The article later says "Unsubstantiated accusations of tag teaming are uncivil."
Libel is in fact part of Wikipedia policies. Propoganda is as well, but can be a vague in my opinion. WP:BLP1E is far more specific about this as well as many, many others. But as you have said to numerous people and me, you don't like discussing such matters, so I won't bother you with further details.
I am glad you've withdrawn your accusation of tag-teaming.Hilltrot (talk) 05:12, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Please don't include footnotes in copy-pasted talk-page posts; it messes up the formatting. Miniapolis 14:19, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
  1. ^ Controversial as there is no consensus regarding the merits of this essay in namespace. Editors have voiced a concern that the "characteristics" of tag teams can easily be applied to editors who share a common practice of editing in accordance with policy, and that the essay can be used as a weapon against editors who are acting in accordance with Wikipedia's editing policies to cast aspersions on their good work. See Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:Tag team
BTW, that essay was kept. Miniapolis 14:31, 19 July 2014 (UTC)

Copyedit[edit]

I was looking through your copyedit on the Demi Lovato article and was pretty impressed with your work. Months ago, I attempted nominating Josh Hutcherson for FAC, however it failed due to a lack of comments. The peer review I had for it went untouched as well. The article is a GA, but I do feel it could benefit from a strong copy edit before I potentially bring it back for another FAC nomination. Do you think you'd have time to take this one on? If not, it's okay! But it would be very much appreciated. Gloss • talk 18:32, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

I hope to help eventually, but it wouldn't be fair to take on your article ahead of those who have been waiting on the Guild of Copy Editors request page. I suggest listing Josh Hutcherson on the requests page; there's usually a five- or six-week wait, unfortunately (we're chronically shorthanded :-)), but while you're waiting you can continue working on the article if you want. Hope this helps. All the best, Miniapolis 18:41, 16 July 2014 (UTC)
Eh, didn't know you were following a list. Not that important. Thanks anyways. Gloss • talk 20:01, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

Minor advice[edit]

Hello. By seeing the copyediting on Megadeth and Anthrax, I've noticed a small mistake of your. The metal genres are written without the dash between them. "Thrash metal" instead of "thrash-metal", for example. By the way, thanks for all the help. Hope we can successfully collaborate on something else. Cheers.--Retrohead (talk) 18:55, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

I only hyphenate when it's a compound modifier: "thrash metal", versus "thrash-metal band". Looks like Curly Turkey will be able to do your copyediting :-). All the best, Miniapolis 20:02, 16 July 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 16 July 2014[edit]

Double-check on archived copyedits[edit]

Hello Miniapolis. Can you check once again whether the copyediting done by MrWooHoo on Metallica, Lex Luthor, and Sleeping Dogs is really what the nominators demanded? I've already asked Metallica to be returned to the list because I don't consider this edit to suffice. Furthermore, another editor seems dissatisfied with how the task was handled, so I think we have a problem here.--Retrohead (talk) 20:12, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

I see that you haven't mentioned this to MrWooHoo yet; you should take up any issues with them first. Miniapolis 21:17, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
I did discussed the topic with him at Metallica's talk page.--Retrohead (talk) 22:27, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
I take articles I've finished copyediting off my watchlist, and they may too. The place to discuss this is on their talk page, not here. Seems like there's no "happy medium" when it comes to copyediting; I caught hell for being too thorough with Megadeth, and now this. Why not ask Curly Turkey to check the copyedit? Miniapolis 23:04, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
Nothing serious, seems the issue is resolved. Sorry for taking this to your talk page. Everything the best.--Retrohead (talk) 23:29, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Jesus motherfucking Christ! I've ignored your sniveling and throwing my name in Retrohead's face ever since I un-botched your copyedit, but now you're even pinging me to make sure I don't miss that you're slaging me. What in the flying fuck are you trying to provoke?! Curly Turkey ⚞¡gobble!⚟ 23:51, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Didn't mean to ping you; I just linked your username as a courtesy to Retrohead. I have my notifications set differently from yours, and didn't give it a thought. Miniapolis 01:55, 19 July 2014 (UTC).

Full armor of god broadcast[edit]

Despite 3 AfDs - Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Full Armor of God Broadcast which doesn't mention the 2 before: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Full Armor of God Broadcast (2nd nomination) this has been recreated - getting around the salting with lower case. To be fair the creator told me about it on my talk page, see User talk:DougWeller#Full armor of god broadcast. This is on the basis that Tim Lambesis mentioned it. What do you think? Dougweller (talk) 17:11, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

I haven't changed my opinion since the most recent AfD. Although the creator is apparently a good sport about the deletions, the lowercase re-creation after three deletions and salting is, IMO, disruptive. The "notoriety" they cite consists of a passing mention in the Daily Mail, a self-published promo from the program host and a repeat of the DM mention. Notability is not inherited from Tim Lambesis, and it still doesn't meet the GNG. All the best, Miniapolis 17:53, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Tintin in Tibet[edit]

Hello Miniapolis, thanks to you and to the Guild for your copy editing of Tintin in Tibet! Say, I have been putting off making changes to the second paragraph of the Critical Analysis section (in response to an earlier copy editor's suggestion), and today I finally rewrote it a bit, but offline. I will paste it in whenever you reach a stopping point; may I? Prhartcom (talk) 19:57, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

It's done; I think I ensured I was not getting in your way. Feel free to leave a message for me anytime! Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 21:37, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry for not getting back to you sooner; I've been busy IRL today, but hope to finish the copyedit tomorrow. In case you'd like to tweak some more, you can tell by the article history where I've been; I work top to bottom, section by section. It really is a fun read! All the best, Miniapolis 23:40, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
Hearing that it is a fun read makes all of this worthwhile for me, Miniapolis! Thanks for the feedback. I look forward to hearing any closing thoughts after you finish. Remember, it needs to be ready for FA! Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 01:45, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, another editor began copy editing and I intervened and asked them to wait for you to finish today. Thanks again. Prhartcom (talk) 11:55, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
I don't mind if someone else copyedits also, but I don't edit war. Please keep in mind that WP:VOLUNTEER; I'll get to it ASAP (and, as I said, should finish it today—I want to do a good job :-)). All the best, Miniapolis 13:20, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

This is a bit funny. Remember this punctuation mark? User talk:Magioladitis#No editing solely to remove whitespace. Cheers. Prhartcom (talk) 23:30, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Um, not that particular one :-). All the best, Miniapolis 23:53, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Okay. It's the ellipsis you added to join two quoted sentences together (a series of abandonments[56] ... The heroes) and it revealed a bug in their clean-up bot code. I knew at the time it is grammatically correct if a bit unusual. :-) Best to you as well. Prhartcom (talk) 01:58, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Adoption?[edit]

Hi. Because you're listed as available on the GCE page...

I've been having a discussion with BrownHairedGirl at User talk:BrownHairedGirl#CIR problem (just ignore the RfA stuff Face-smile.svg) regarding a problematic new editor. Would you be interested in mentoring/editing for them? If not, can you suggest the next step? There's no way I could keep up with them and do anything else. Besides, I now know more about cricket than I ever wanted to.Face-smile.svg

--... ...-- -.. . .- .-.. .- -. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 21:43, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

Hi, Alan, and thanks for your concern about the editor in question. I read the thread and frankly, agree with BHG; while it's possible to mentor many things, I don't think one can "mentor" proficiency in English sufficient to edit en:WP. The problem sounds more like a basic language-competency thing than mere grammar and spelling editors (too bad, because I like cricket and as a Yank, I have a lot to learn about it :-)). Unfortunately, there's a lot of this on the English WP; it's the biggest, and people want to edit here who could do a lot more good on their native-language 'pedia.
As BHG said, try not to let the RFA get to you. I squeaked through mine about a year and a half ago (never quite hit 80 percent, but I haven't broken anything yet) and it was a miserable experience. While I'd thought about submitting a future RFA, someone I thought was an admin made me an offer I couldn't refuse before I understood what the process entails. Mere competence and experience aren't enough, and I think half the habitual opposers are just venting sour grapes. You're holding your own, though, so just grit your teeth and get through it. BTW, are you a ham?
--... ...-- -.. . .- -. -. . Miniapolis 00:45, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Re the CIR problem, so do I bring it to ANI then? There's not much more I can say to him/her.

Re the RfA, I'm afraid it's getting to be too much. In one of my responses, they earned one of the few exclamation marks I've ever written. The idea that it all comes down to working in one particular area, in which I don't want to work, seems ridiculous, but people seem to smell blood and pile on. I don't know why anyone would knowingly put themselves through it as it stands. I certainly won't do it again if it fails. Unfortunately, the result in that case will be that I will do less admin-type work because it's a pain to have to file AIV, UAA, ANI, when I should just be able to pull the trigger. It seems unfair to ask that I waste that time (and the time of others).

I've been a ham for a little over 34 years now. If I have a radio anywhere, it's got lots of dust on it, though :) —[AlanM1(talk)]— 04:10, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

I blocked them for 48 hours to (hopefully) get their attention. It's possible that they don't check their talk page, but not using edit summaries plus the egregious MOS violations (which must be cleaned up by others, and we're short on volunteers as it is) was a bit too much to overlook. CIR, indeed. I've been active in amateur radio since the mid-1980s (my first username was my callsign, which I changed for privacy reasons :-)), almost exclusively on CW—ironic, since I couldn't learn it when I was a kid. All the best, Miniapolis 16:53, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I was rather intrigued with code, and got pretty good – I copied the 20 wpm Extra test almost verbatim, to the examiner's surprise, and got up to ~30 wpm I think in contests with my ears and a Heathkit paddle. I have a WAS QRP CW cert somewhere. I'm surprised I still know it. Something to be said for learning it early in life, I guess – it's kind of instinctive now. Memories... —[AlanM1(talk)]— 09:05, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
Yeah, I flew in the face of the conventional belief that kids pick up Morse like a sponge; although I got interested in radio at age 11 (after discovering that I could hear faraway stations at night on my six-transistor radio), I had a mental block about code and it took 20 years to get from zero to five wpm for the novice ticket. We lived in a big city, though, and with no room for antennas the only way I was going to get out was on CW; it's now by far my favorite mode, and I handle traffic on 80 meters almost daily. It's still a fun hobby. All the best, Miniapolis 14:53, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Request for peer review[edit]

Hii Miniapolis. I am a new editor on Wikipedia and i request you to review the Lucknow article. Please note that i am not the admin or creator of the article but i have restructured the article according to the wikipedia guidelines. So keeping it short and simple, i am looking for your suggestions on making it a high quality (GA or FA worthy) article. link for PR:-https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/Lucknow/archive4 Thanks, Wikiboy2364 (talk) 17:10, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

I'll get to it as soon as I can. Miniapolis 17:22, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
 ... and it's  Done. All the best, Miniapolis 20:45, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 23 July 2014[edit]

2014 student protest in Kosovo[edit]

Hi Miniapolis, I just joined the GOCE and for my first copy edit I selected the article 2014 student protest in Kosovo from the backlog list. I found that the last half of the article had no references cited and I think that issue should be resolved before the CE is completed. I noted this information on the article talk page. I still see this article as available for CE in the backlog list. Have I missed a step? Thank you for your guidance. AutoHen (talk) 22:18, 26 July 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the GOCE, AutoHen, and thanks for your help. The article is still in the backlog because the {{copyedit}} tag is still on it as part of the {{multiple issues}} tag. The 8 and 10 February sections (the last two subsections of the January and February protest and timeline section) are sourced, but the first three subsections aren't. However, that shouldn't affect our ability to copyedit since the topic is clearly notable (i.e. it's in no danger of being deleted). Feel free to finish the copyedit; what I do is remove the copyedit tag before I start, to minimize the chance of edit conflicts. It helps also to edit in as small "bites" as possible. {{Citation needed}} is an inline tag for individual sentences; what you want is {{refimprove section}}, under (not on the same line as) the section header. Hope this helps, and don't hesitate to ask questions. Have fun and all the best, Miniapolis 23:42, 26 July 2014 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) I've just removed the empty sections and the c/e tag, and marked the unreferenced section thus. Thanks AutoHen; you can copy-edit the unreferenced sections if you wish, but unreferenced text is subject to removal without notice per WP:OR. GOCE is not Cleanup. Cheers, Baffle gab1978 (talk) 00:00, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the stalk, Baffle; I couldn't have put it better myself :-). All the best, Miniapolis 00:02, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
Thanks Miniapolis and Baffle! I'll return to the topic and finish the copy edit. It's hard to restrain myself from overstepping the copy edit role and doing more than I should, especially since I found the topic compelling. :) AutoHen (talk) 18:39, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Humble Request[edit]

Hi Miniapolis. I have hugely reworked the Lucknow article which you peer reviewed (for which i'm very thankful). I request you to copyedit the article.i'm requesting you because the guild looks very afk as of now and i intend to make this a high quality article asap. However, if you are too busy then maybe you can suggest it to someone (or inform me about the editor so that i can ask him) for copyediting. Now,i just need your help.Thanking you. Wikiboy2364 (talk) 00:22, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

I appreciate your request but, as the top of my talk page says, no longer accept direct copyedit requests. Lucknow is moving up the requests list, but everyone ahead of you also wants their article copyedited ASAP and has waited longer; we do the best we can, but there's not enough copyeditors. It's possible that someone will pick it out of the queue ahead of time but if not, maybe someone from WikiProject India would be interested in helping. Please be patient; we're volunteers. All the best, Miniapolis 01:43, 29 July 2014 (UTC)
That was my bad, sorry. I understand what you are trying to say. Wikiboy2364 (talk) 05:00, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Cricket[edit]

Because you acknowledged a love of cricket Face-smile.svg, could you comment on whether the language in my edit here makes sense? The way it was originally did not seem quite right in comparison to the way others have written about maiden wickets.

Also, our friend made a short edit with some stats today and wording that seems consistent with other cricket writers. It seems like fairly common practice for sports editors to update scores and stats without cites – like the community feels those are non-controversial and do not require cites. So, it doesn't seem necessary to nag for cites, huh? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 23:19, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Sorry if I misled you; although I enjoy watching cricket (a rare treat here in the US), I have a lot to learn about the game (like what a maiden wicket is :-)). One thing I've learned on WP is that here (as elsewhere), you have to pick your battles. All the best, Miniapolis 23:26, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 30 July 2014[edit]

16 words?[edit]

16 words? what about the 8,000+ carryover words?--DThomsen8 (talk) 19:50, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

There was an error, which I corrected, in the table from which I was working. Like you, we're volunteers and do the best we can. The GOCE can always use more coordinators. Miniapolis 22:25, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, my inquiry was far too abrupt, especially for my 16 words only article. I just wanted to keep my hand in the series of drives, while busy with other Wikipedia tasks. --DThomsen8 (talk) 23:09, 4 August 2014 (UTC)
Oh, no problem; if it had happened to me, I'd be annoyed too :-). Not sure if Torchiest runs a script or does the table by hand; if the latter, it's a helluva job. Sorry for the snafu. All the best, Miniapolis 01:29, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

Just not cricket[edit]

Pawan Bariaar (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · edit filter log · block user · block log) is back at it, with some kind of grammar/punctuation/spelling problem on every edit, no edit summaries at all, no sources at all, and no evidence that they even read their talk page. Do you want to handle it directly, or should I take it to ANI? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 23:23, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

May be time for ANI; I wouldn't mind a second opinion. Keep in mind that while edit summaries are "good practice", they are not required; citations are required not for all material, but "all quotations and any material challenged or likely to be challenged", and talk pages are "for improving the encyclopedia". I don't see any policy or guideline requiring talk-page engagement. While CIR, I'm not sure this editor merits escalating CIR blocks—hence the need for fresh eyes (if you want to pursue this). All the best, Miniapolis 01:26, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
All valid points, though engagement somewhere seems to be required in order to edit cooperatively. We're at 30 articles and counting that need following up on – I'm just trying to keep that number from continuing to grow. Do you have a solution other than ANI that you would like me to use? —[AlanM1(talk)]— 06:16, 5 August 2014 (UTC)
WikiProject Cricket would be a good place to voice your concerns and to find out if other editors are having a problem with this person too. If I were you, I wouldn't go to ANI before expressing your concerns on the talk pages of the articles in question. Miniapolis 19:38, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 06 August 2014[edit]

WP:GOCE[edit]

Hi there. Just to inform you that Megadeth recently achieved FA status, and your edits played a significant role in that accomplishment. About the activity at WP:GOCE/REQ, I was wondering if you could skip Metallica and take the album instead. I've been planning to take Justice to FA, so that one is more urgent. Thanks for the understanding.--Retrohead (talk) 20:41, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Congratulations on the FA, although you may get an argument from CT on the role of my edits :-). I'll stop by the requests page, and if no one has taken the album I'll do it. All the best, Miniapolis 22:16, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Nicki Minaj[edit]

Hi, I was just wondering if you would consider taking a look and perhaps copy-editing the Nicki Minaj page? KaneZolanski (talk) 23:19, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

I appreciate your concern, but as the top of my talk page says I no longer accept copyedit requests because I received too many (the thread above is an exception, since the article in question is at the top of the GOCE requests page). You did the right thing by listing it there; to be fair, though, although other copyeditors may work differently I do articles in order. In the (unlikely) event that the page is nominated for a GAR before it's copyedited, tell the reviewer you're on the GOCE requests list. Good luck and all the best, Miniapolis 00:10, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

Hi, can you spend some time on reviewing Allahabad. It's a long long pending in GA nomination list. Thanks.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS  10:23, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

I'm busy with a copyedit, but when that's finished I'll take a look at it. Miniapolis 13:21, 13 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, please do so.--25 CENTS VICTORIOUS  14:10, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Talkback[edit]

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Copy Edit mentorship[edit]

Hi, I'm new to the Guild of Copy Editors and would like a mentor to help me with the process of becoming an excellent copy editor. Do you have time to mentor me? If you don't, don't worry. I can learn on my own. That's what I did with learning about vandalism. Thanks,TheQ Editor (Talk) 23:46, 14 August 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the GOCE. I'm a bit short on time at the moment (just began a GA review of an article which will need some prose-tweaking), but am happy to do what I can to help. Good starting points are the How to copy edit tab on the GOCE home page and WP:COPYEDIT. Also on the GOCE home page is a list of articles needing copyediting, sorted by month. Just click on a month to get that month's articles (the month they were tagged with {{Copy edit}}), pick one and get started. The Manual of Style looks daunting at first, but you'll learn what you need to know as you need to know it :-). Don't forget to add your name to the mailing list, so you're in the loop for our bimonthly month-long backlog-reduction drives and week-long blitzes; the August blitz should be starting soon. Hope this helps; if you have any questions, please don't hesitate to ask. Have fun and all the best, Miniapolis 00:04, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Briarcliff Manor[edit]

Miniapolis,

Thank you so much for your help with the Briarcliff Manor article draft. Your rewording was brilliant and really helped it along. If you wouldn't mind, I would be very glad if you could write on its FA review. I had to renominate it, the first FA nomination just didn't get enough attention. Any comment you could give would be great, and there's no restriction on who can comment or their level of involvement in writing the article. Here's the link: [1]

Thank you.--ɱ (talk) 01:26, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

As soon as I finish the GAN I'm reviewing, I'll take a look. Good luck and all the best, Miniapolis 14:34, 17 August 2014 (UTC)
OK, thanks.--ɱ (talk) 15:55, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 13 August 2014[edit]

GOCE July drive and August blitz[edit]

Guild of Copy Editors July 2014 backlog elimination drive wrap-up
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Participation: Thanks to everyone who participated in the July drive. Of the 40 people who signed up this drive, 22 copy edited at least one article. Final results, including barnstars awarded, are available here.

Progress report: We reduced our article backlog from 2400 articles to 2199 articles in July. This is a new month-end record low for the backlog. Nice work, everyone!

Blitz: The August blitz will run from August 24–30. The blitz will focus on articles from the GOCE's Requests page. Awards will be given out to everyone who copy edits at least one of the target articles. The blitz will run from August 24–30. Sign up here!

Cheers from your GOCE coordinators Jonesey95, Baffle gab1978, and Miniapolis.

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Preneet Kaur[edit]

Hi,

On the talk-page of Preneet Kaur, please point out examples of the "persistent disruptive editing" which you cite as reason for sealing that page. There seems to be no justification for your action. Regards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.182.189.241 (talk) 15:00, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

It's not "sealed"; it's protected for two weeks from edits by unregistered editors (to be autoconfirmed, you need a four-day-old account with 10 edits) in response to the concerns of other editors and the article history. The editing bar is higher for BLPs than for other articles. You can post any concerns on the article's talk page. Miniapolis 17:18, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

GoCE Mentorship[edit]

Hi I'm MirrorFreak, I saw that your available for mentorship. I just recently joined the Guild today after receiving a barnstar for copyediting Walter Wu. I was wanting to know whether you could mentor me in this, as I would like to fully contribute to Wikipedia. Thanks, Mirror Freak 19:01, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Hi, and welcome to the GOCE. Yes, barnstars are fun to get (and give). I was where you are a few years ago; I enjoy proofreading and generally improving articles, and the GOCE is a good fit. Be sure you join the mailing list, so you're in the loop for our bimonthly backlog-reduction drives; the next one begins in a few days, on September 1. You may be hearing about the week-long blitz, which begins this Sunday, but it's focusing on the requests page (mostly GANs and FACs where tensions, as you may imagine, can run a bit high :-)). The month-long drives are a laid-back way to get your feet wet. A good place to start is the how-to page, which has links to other instructional stuff. Don't be intimidated; start with the basic guides, and you'll pick up the rest as you go along. Hope this helps; speaking of help, thanks for yours and all the best, Miniapolis 20:45, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

I signed up for the Elimination Blitz also. Could you explain that to me; Meaning, where do we select the articles to copyedit from?Mirror Freak 21:07, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

That's the one-week requests-page blitz I mentioned, which starts Sunday. The thing to remember about request articles is to be as thorough as you can, since many requesters are preparing Good Article or Featured Article nominations and need a thorough copyedit first. I jumped into the deep end when I started too; one of my first copyedits was a 13,000-word request article I spent a whole day doing. The requester was patient, though, and gave me my first barnstar :-). Just follow the instructions for copy editors, and you'll be fine. If you'd rather wait for the September drive, that's OK too; signing up for a blitz (or drive) puts you under no obligation. All the best, Miniapolis 23:17, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Could you tell me how I select an article to copyedit for the blitz and where I can get it from? Thanks, Mirror Freak 12:13, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

From the requests page; older requests are at the top, and check out the instructions for copy editors before you start on Sunday. All the best, Miniapolis 13:55, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Alright. Last question. (I think). How do I find out how many words are in the article I'm copyediting? And how do I find the number of words I copyedited?Mirror Freak 20:54, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

No problem with the questions; I appreciate your enthusiasm. Here are detailed instructions for installing a javascript which calculates page size. Unfortunately, it doesn't count bullet lists; if you're copyediting an article with many (or long) bullet lists, you need to copy-paste the article into a word processor and use its word-count function to get the page size. The number you use is the word count before the copyedit, but if you forget you can use a later word count. The biggest PITA about the drives and blitzes, IMO, is the bookkeeping :-). All the best, Miniapolis 22:15, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Am I allowed to choose an article to copyedit for the blitz right now? I don't mean that I'm going to start editing it now. I mean to put it on hold for tomorrow.Mirror Freak 16:47, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

We're really not supposed to do anything blitz-related until it starts (when, I'm sure, the article will still be available :-)). Have fun and all the best, Miniapolis 23:26, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

GOCE mentorship[edit]

Greetings. I've been on Wikipedia for a couple of years now, but I recently thought I'd get involved with Copy-editing. I've done a bit before, but it's mostly been on articles I've been involved with/know a fair bit about; so I thought I'd ask if you'd be willing to watch over my initial attempts a little. I signed up for the August blitz, and I'm going to give at least a couple of articles a shot; but I'd feel a lot better if somebody glanced over my work. Regards, Vanamonde93 (talk) 08:28, 22 August 2014 (UTC)

Welcome to the GOCE; we can use your help! You can see the above thread for instructional links, and just ping me when you have something you'd like checked. Since the request articles can be a bit more demanding to copyedit than the ordinary backlog ones, if you'd rather wait for the month-long September backlog-reduction drive that's okay too. Have fun and all the best, Miniapolis 13:48, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! As you said above, there doesn't seem to be a commitment during the blitz; so I'll give the articles a glance, and if they seem too difficult I'll just bail out, and wait for the backlog drive. Cheers, Vanamonde93 (talk) 14:20, 22 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello again. I just made at attempt to copy-edit Dattatraya Parchure, and I'd be grateful if you could look it over. It seemed a good candidate because I've worked on related articles before, and knew the material at least a little. here is a combined diff of what I did, and here is the article history, in case you want to look at my rationale for removing some things. There were also a couple of edits by another editor in between; not too significant, though. Cheers, Vanamonde93 (talk) 07:53, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Sure. As soon as finish the article I'm working on later today, I'll take a look at it. All the best, Miniapolis 13:50, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Nice job! I also like your edit summaries. Thanks for your help and all the best, Miniapolis 17:57, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks a lot! Quick question; will copy-editing something from the backlog count towards my total words for this blitz? Or should I just wait for September? Cheers, Vanamonde93 (talk) 15:18, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

() Sorry, no; the blitz is requests-page only (but the backlog-reduction drive is only a week away :-)). Feel free to choose something from the requests page for the blitz, although I'd steer clear of the GA and FA candidates for now; some requests are for non-GAN and -FAC pages. All the best, Miniapolis 15:45, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Ha, thanks, I guessed as much. Taking one that is being prepared for GA, but where the user who submitted it is essentially trying for British English and grammar, which I think I am fine with; it is more complex stuff (like layout) that I think I am weaker on. Cheers, Vanamonde93 (talk) 15:53, 25 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello again. I had a quick question; so as you must have noticed when you gave me the barnstar for the blitz (Thanks, btw) I finished one article, but left another halfway done. Does that mean that the second article counts toward the september drive word count? The Blitz and the drive had no gap between them, if I understand correctly, so that second article (or the half of it that I've done so far) should count either in one or the other. Cheers, Vanamonde93 (talk) 21:33, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
First time I've been asked this. Actually, there was 24 hours between the end of the blitz to the start of the drive so I'd say no, but you may want to check on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors/Coordinators; Jonesey95 and Baffle gab1978, the other GOCE coordinators, may have other opinions. Ordinarily we count sections of articles (if that's all that requires copyediting), but not half-articles. Miniapolis 22:29, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! Seems a trifle unfair, though, because since I was planning to CE that article in any case, it would seem I have an incentive to delay beginning it, which seems counter-productive.Vanamonde93 (talk) 22:53, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Life isn't always fair, and it's hard enough running these drives as it is without the hair-splitting you suggest. Are you in this to improve articles or win a prize? Miniapolis 23:02, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Whoa, chill, mate. If I was here for the prize I wouldn't be here at all. I am happy to copy edit just for the sake of improving Wikipedia; all I am saying is that once you offer incentives, they should be offered in a consistent manner. I'm going to drop this issue now, and get back to the Corfu case; I just felt some feedback may be appreciated. Sure, life isn't fair, that isn't a reason not to try and change that. Regards, Vanamonde93 (talk) 03:10, 2 September 2014 (UTC)
I'm not going to split hairs either, Vanamonde93. If you didn't finish copy-editing the article during the blitz, you can't count it for the blitz. If you finish it during the September drive, do what you think is fair for yourself. – Jonesey95 (talk) 06:14, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Greetings again. I have finished copy-editing Corfu Channel case, and I would appreciate it if you gave it a look over. I recognize that it is a long article, so perhaps you cannot do all of it, but some generic feedback would be appreciated. Regards, Vanamonde93 (talk) 06:00, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

Sure. As soon as I finish the article I'm working on, I'll look at it. However, in future I still think you should focus on the backlog rather than the requests page for now (just until you learn the ropes). All the best, Miniapolis 13:50, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
It looks very good, and thanks for your help on a long article. You can put {{GOCEtb}} on the requester's talk page (if you haven't already), and I'll archive it. All the best, Miniapolis 15:24, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks! And sure, I'll stick largely to the backlog, especially because there's not many others on the requests page I am interested in. I did notify Mendaliv, and mentioned a couple of "clarify" tags that we could work through.
Quick question; when I take an article from the backlog, how do I mark it as taken? Regards, Vanamonde93 (talk) 16:44, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
I used to use {{GOCEinuse}}, but it would be over-zealously removed (like if I went offline to sleep :-)). Stfg said that he just removes the {{copyedit}} tag, and I've found that it works well. It helps to check the history first; I've occasionally accidentally worked on the same article as another editor (who neither removed the copyedit tag nor added GOCEinuse), but it doesn't happen often. All the best, Miniapolis 17:09, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Okay, that makes sense, I'll remove the tag. I didn't want to add {{GOCEinuse}}, because I doubt very much I'll have the motivation to finish one article in a day. Thanks. Vanamonde93 (talk) 18:52, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Quick question. I appear to have (entirely coincidentally) CEd two "old" articles. Do I update the table myself, or is it automated, or what? Cheers, Vanamonde93 (talk) 05:00, 10 September 2014 (UTC)

We do our own recordkeeping, in our individual drive-page section and on the leaderboard. All the best, Miniapolis 13:20, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks; that makes it easier. Vanamonde93 (talk) 15:56, 10 September 2014 (UTC)
Greetings again. Quick MOS question; what is protocol for the name of a magazine (i.e. The New Yorker) when it appears in a section title? Is it still italicized? Vanamonde93 (talk) 05:16, 19 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes. What are discouraged in section headers are wikilinks. All the best, Miniapolis 13:33, 19 September 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 20 August 2014[edit]

GA review[edit]

Hey Miniapolis. I asked you for a peer review for Lucknow article so that i can make it a GA worthy material. You suggested a copyedit (link? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Peer_review/Lucknow/archive4). I am glad to tell you that the article had undergone a major ce by the guild and have nominated the article for GA review. Hope you can review the article. Thanking you. Wikiboy2364 (talk) 05:05, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Sorry; as a Guild of Copy Editors coordinator, I have more to do as it is than I have time for. Maybe someone from WikiProject India can help. Good luck and all the best, Miniapolis 13:28, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Oh ok, the problem is that i dont know anyone form there and you have been very sincere and kind on the PR. Moreover, i think you helped Allahabad being promoted as a GA, so.. . It's just that yours was the first name it came to my mind about who should review the article. I'm sure the ce is so on point that it should rather be a little easy for you as your only concern was prose. Wikiboy2364 (talk) 14:31, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Allahabad was very hard work; I didn't realize when I agreed to review it that it needed a major copyedit also. I'm very busy with copyediting, and prefer to leave GA reviewing to others. All the best, Miniapolis 14:38, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

GOCE requests[edit]

I know. But I requested the other two just after they completed the first two. Junperson (talk) 00:32, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Okay. I didn't know if you knew the rule, and it seemed like a lot of requests one after the other (with the same two copyeditors doing them all). Miniapolis 00:37, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

Loving You (1957 film)[edit]

I read Valfury's correction, and I think he did a good job with the grammar. I listed the article under GAN, so even though he fixed it, I sure would appreciate a second read by another person to check it. Further suggestions are always welcomed (changing a phrase here or there, clarifying, etc). If the Guild's backed up with work, I think he's correction will do. I don't mean to take more of your time that can be used to help with other articles.--GDuwenTell me! 03:05, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

No problem, and thanks for getting back to me. I'll make a note on the requests page; I'm in the middle of another copyedit, but if no one's double-checked it by the time I'm done (probably in the next day or so) I'll look at it. All the best, Miniapolis 13:22, 30 August 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 27 August 2014[edit]

Ford Island[edit]

I originally asked User:Solarra to help me out, but it seems she's on a short wiki-break. I am trying to get this article to FA-status and one of the A-class reviewers suggested I ask someone from WP:GOCE to take a look at it. Would you have time and the inclination to give it a once-over? (or twice-over - couldn't hurt)--v/r - TP 19:29, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Sure; I'm glad you caught me between engagements :-). All the best, Miniapolis 19:49, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks a ton!--v/r - TP 19:56, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
Glad to help. At my cruising speed of about 2,000 words a day, give me three days. All the best, Miniapolis 19:59, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
  • I believe it was a land trust created after he died. Check this source: [2].--v/r - TP 20:42, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Miniapolis 22:21, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
  • I made a couple of changes to merge Naval Auxiliary Landing Field Ford Island into the article. They overlapped by like 90%, I figured I mine as well. Would you mind terrible checking the changes when you get a chance? It shouldn't be much.--v/r - TP 06:32, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Sure—I'll look at it today. All the best, Miniapolis 13:08, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
 ... and Yes check.svg Done. Looks good. All the best, Miniapolis 16:14, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks again, I really appreciate it.--v/r - TP 17:10, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Glad to help; it's a long slog to A-class and FA. Good luck and all the best, Miniapolis 17:30, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thank you so much for all that you have done. You've done substantial work on this article, I'll be sure to include your name as one of the submitters in the FA nom. v/r - TP 23:06, 3 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for the kind words, but all I did was polish the prose; the real grunt-work is sourcing. Good luck and all the best, Miniapolis 23:33, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 03 September 2014[edit]

Bloodlines[edit]

Hey Mini—not quite sure how to broach this, but I recently reviewed Bloodlines for GA (which you recently copyedited) and a few things jumped out at me. If you would be interested in some constructive feedback, perhaps you would be interested in my GAN comments? The biggest issue was the inappropriate hyphenation of a bunch of phrases. Anyway, just wanted to leave a note. Have a good one! czar  23:16, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

No problem, and I took a quick look at your comments. I gave it my best shot as someone unfamiliar with the material, who responded to a GOCE copyedit request. As for the hyphens, I follow MOS:HYPHEN. All the best, Miniapolis 23:26, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

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Ford Island[edit]

A note to significant contributors to the Ford Island article: its been nominated for promotion to Good article status. The nomination is listed at Good article nominations - Geography. Thanks for your work to improve the article! NorthAmerica1000 12:17, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

Update: Removed GA nomination template from the talk page. Per User:TParis, the article is already under A-class review at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Ford Island. NorthAmerica1000 04:25, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 10 September 2014[edit]

Falcon's Fury[edit]

Thanks for beginning to copyedit the article! It is greatly appreciated!--Dom497 (talk) 23:34, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Glad to help; it's very good. I should be done tomorrow, and will leave a note on your talk page when I am. All the best, Miniapolis 01:37, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Hey, I saw your note you left within the article. Which sentence are you talking about? If your talking about the first, I've re-worded it a bit. For your talking about the second, the ride uses a total of 3,600 square feet of space on the ground.--Dom497 (talk) 19:34, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
It was the first sentence; I (and perhaps other non-specialist readers) don't know what "Sky Jump model" means. Also, before submitting the article as an FAC you may want to trim the WP:REFBLOAT; three citations at a time is plenty. I think The Rambling Man mentioned this in their GA review, but that particular essay (like some others) has the weight of a guideline. All the best, Miniapolis 19:47, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Sky Jump is the model of the attraction. The manufacture calls a ride what they want and then the park names it what they want. It's like saying GateKeeper is actually a Wing Coaster. Also, are you done the copy-edit?--Dom497 (talk) 19:51, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
Okay, but I don't understand the difference between a Sky Jump and a drop tower. If there is none (if they're identical ride types), the sentence is inaccurate; if a Sky Jump is a type of drop tower, that should be specified. I'll tag your talk page when I finish the copyedit (soon :-)). All the best, Miniapolis 20:00, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
OK. Regarding the model. Sky Jump is a type of drop tower. Drop tower is the general classification. See Intamin's website for all the types of drop tower's they have (Sky Jump isn't included there because the page isn't up to date).--Dom497 (talk) 20:03, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

() Thanks for the clarification, and I've tweaked the sentence to reflect that. Miniapolis 20:47, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Thank-you! Your help is greatly appreciated!--Dom497 (talk) 01:27, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
Glad to help (even though I wouldn't ride that thing for a million bucks :-)). All the best, Miniapolis 01:39, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
How about now? :D --Dom497 (talk) 01:48, 16 September 2014 (UTC)
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Thanks for the copyedit! Dom497 (talk) 01:48, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 17 September 2014[edit]

Intelligence handling articles[edit]

You seem to be making good way in these. They certainly read better. More power to your elbow. GraemeLeggett (talk) 18:14, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

Thanks, but the one I'm working on is pretty dry and it's not easy to copyedit something you barely understand :-). This one was tagged {{copyedit}} for a while, but I'll leave any others to editors better versed in the field. All the best, Miniapolis 18:37, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
I think part of the problem is that the editor who put most of the text into the articles filled it with what they knew from the "textbooks" on the subject. Which is not the same as encyclopaedic writing. Hence a lot of it comes across like management speak or how-to. The key thing is you made at least one article better for the next reader. GraemeLeggett (talk) 19:51, 18 September 2014 (UTC)
You're right. I don't know about the editor(s) who wrote this article (looks like there were at least two), but I've seen a fair number whose sole contribs were to drop an article into WP and they never come back to improve it (which keeps the GOCE out of mischief :-)). All the best, Miniapolis 20:01, 18 September 2014 (UTC)

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