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Excessive Categories[edit]

I would like to point out that Wikipedia:Naming conventions (geographic names) does not mean you can list "serbian" names in bold in the intro, and it does not give you leave to put it in the infobox, since serbian or german is not an official language in the Republic of Croatia (the only language that is is Italian in Istria.) I also removed your strange category from the majority of villages you put them on, since they are not listed as being a part of that "Joint Council of Municipalities". Moreover, that whole category looks excessive and unneccessary, so I am telling you now that I will work on getting it removed completely from the other pages. As you can see, pages like Jagodnjak for example have only 2 categories or so. Yes, it is possible for them to have more but they don't, because Wikipedia users have kept it that way to keep extraneous categories (like the one you are putting in) from popping up. If you have any questions or concerns, please leave respond or leave a message for me to prevent possible edit wars. Regards. --Jesuislafete (talk) 20:08, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

RE: Joint Council of Municipalities[edit]

RE: It is clear that the only official language throughout the entire territory of Croatia is Croatian language. However, the municipalities/settlements about which I wrote the official and by the state are recognized also minority languages (in those parts of Croatia they have status as a noted Italian in Istria, I can send you resources if you are not familiar) and that is in order with Wikipedia conventions, and by your standards also :) (if apply for a counties applies also to all lower levels?-although it is nowhere asked official status?). JCM with jurisdiction in the members municipalities has jurisdiction for the whole area of two counties and that's why I put other articles you mentioned. At the same time I do not think that the category is unnecessary, there are articles that perfectly fit into category and fits the theme of national minorities in Croatia. I absolutely do not want any edit war or something of that type with you. It would be unnecessary and will prevented us to deal with things that interest us. But I just do not believe that differences in attitudes that apparently there have the potential to cause major conflicts. Have a nice day. (I pasted the answer on my discussion to)--MirkoS18 (talk) 22:35, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

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Hi! Well, i dont think that we have editors who are familliar with Serbian minority institutions and organizations in Croatia... While i can see a bit of the schools outside Serbia... Pozdrav! :) --WhiteWriter speaks 22:44, 31 October 2011 (UTC)

Hvala, zapravo bi najveća pomoć bila da se neki već napisani članci pročitaju i da se gramatički dotjeraju. Ovde je i Index of Serbs of Croatia-related articles koji bi potencijalnim autorima mogao koristiti ukoliko bi znali za njega. U svakom slučaju hvala na pomoći.--MirkoS18 (talk) 22:57, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

minor edits[edit]

Hi there. Please don't mark edits such as this one as minor, because it's not a minor edit according to the guidelines at Help:Minor edit. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 14:59, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

sorry

Thanks for advice, I will read this guidance later and try to follow them.--MirkoS18 (talk) 15:11, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

Once again, you made a slew of minor edits such as this one. Please don't do that - other index articles exist but aren't all linked back from their entries, esp. not through minor edits. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 18:44, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Nagorno-Karabakh Republic[edit]

I've deleted Template:WikiProject Nagorno-Karabakh Republic because the project already exists at Wikipedia:WikiProject Armenia/Nagorny-Karabakh Task Force. -- WOSlinker (talk) 23:33, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

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It seemed to me that there is no because I have not been seen Project in the pages that I searched. I apologize for any inconvenience I caused by that.--MirkoS18 (talk) 23:40, 2 November 2011 (UTC)

renaming articles[edit]

You moved Jewish Filmfestival Zagreb to Zagreb Jewish Film Festival by creating a new article and redirecting the old article to it. Please don't do that, instead click the move page button. I fixed the specific case already, you don't have to do anything there, just do it properly in the future. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 09:22, 17 November 2011 (UTC)

B-class[edit]

Hi! I just noticed you have reassessed Joint Council of Municipalities article to B-class. According to the Wikipedia:WikiProject Croatia/Assessment the article fails at least B3 criterion (I haven't checked inline citations per AGF). This is easily remedied - expand the lead per WP:LEAD. Also, inline citations in the lead are not necessary as long as that information is in the body text and referenced properly.--Tomobe03 (talk) 16:24, 23 November 2011 (UTC)

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Cyrillic county names[edit]

Moved to WT:CRO. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 15:08, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Regarding infobox changes[edit]

Hi Mirko, I noticed you added Cyrillic names to the lede of a large number of Croatian settlement articles, and I'm perfectly fine with that, but you also edited the infoboxes of several articles and added the Cyrillic names in there as well, which I find is too much. If I'm not mistaken, you used the infobox format that was established for bilingual Istrian municipalities. The names of those Istrian municipalities which list their name in two languages have been changed to reflect that (note that a reference to the municipality's official website is included in every one of those infoboxes [1][2]). The Cyrillic script is NOT official in any of the municipalities, nor do said municipalities have two hyphenated names.

In short, while the various language versions in the lede sentence are added whenever they exist, only the most common English name and the official native name (in the official native alphabet) are for the infobox. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 01:29, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

I added them after the discussion we had recently Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Croatia#Role of minority languages in seven municipalities in eastern Croatia where the Cyrillic is official (it really exist (; ). These are municipalities of Joint Council of Municipalities. Again, in those municipalities are in both languages ​​and both the names official. These changes were made ​​quite recently in September. If you believe that they should be removed may do so?--MirkoS18 (talk) 01:38, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Now I understand what you told me. So I delete the name from the top, and in the lower part I should add statute of municipality. OK, I will do it.--MirkoS18 (talk) 01:43, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Yes, both the upper and the lower part of the infobox should not have any Cyrillic writing if the municipality itself does not use it in its statute in some way (and that, I believe, is not the case). --DIREKTOR (TALK) 01:48, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
On the Internet you have a document entitled Izvješće o provođenju zakona o pravima nacionalnih manjina i o utrošku sredstava osiguranih u Državnom proračunu Republike Hrvatske za 2008. godinu za potrebe nacionalnih manjina (I do not know why it could not be put here). See pages 12-Jagodnjak, 14-Šodolovci, 15-Borovo, Markušica and 16-Negoslavci, Trpinja. I thought it is also Erdut but it seems it is not true.--MirkoS18 (talk) 02:06, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
The current situation (such as in Jagodnjak) is fine with me. Municipalities with a Serbian minority should definitely have their Cyrillic alphabet name mentioned in the lede. However, unless the statute of the municipality officially uses Cyrillic in some way at least - we should not use the Cyrillic name in the infobox. Regards --DIREKTOR (TALK) 02:15, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Many many thanks Mirko, it is very nice from you :) I already participated in a couple of similar discussions in the past, so my intervention is not so unnexpected. I don´t think at all that you are making unclear statements, as you say, right on the oposite. Just notece that I agree with Direktor over the infobox issue, it should only be used if in official use, otherwise we should use it only in lede section. Honestly, I hoped we could reach some middle point between 10% and 33.3% as solution and move on, however I am not so sure anymore, and perhaps we should see how other similar cases are dealt (I noteced your post at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Geopolitical ethnic and religious conflicts‎ and lets hope more people express their view). FkpCascais (talk) 02:25, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Is the addition of Cyrillic alphabet versions in the lede brackets actually being disputed over there?! There are almost no Italians in Dalmatia yet virtually every single town has an Italian name in the lede brackets. Stick with 10%, even that's possibly too high. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 02:28, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Ma slažem se ja sa vama, samo što te općine srpski i definiraju kao službeni. Nije da ću gnjaviti i oko toga, ali evo vam link pa pogledajte za Erdut npr, [3], na dnu je dokument, a u njemu pogledajte kraj 5 i početak 6 stranice. Ove ostale se sve navode u dokumentu iz 2008., ali ga ne mogu otvoriti, možda ću naći dobar link pa ga zalijepim. Uglavnom, ako smatrate da bi drugačije rješenje moglo biti bolje ja neću inzistirati na ovome. Pozdrav, i nemojte da zamjerite zbog "našeg" jezika, jer mi je tako puno lakše.
Da, niko ne spori pitanje jezika i ime na Srpskom jeziku mora biti (i jest) spomenuto - ali ovde pricamo o alfabetu. Drugim rijecima ne treba prevoditi :). Gospodo, procitajte clanak Serbo-Croatian language - gotovo svi neutralni lingvisti se slazu: to su samo varijacije jedno te istog jezika. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 02:38, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
U redu, pristajem :). A sad ću te još jednom uputiti na isti dokument gdje ...piše na području Općine Erdut, pored hrvatskog jezika i latiničnog pisma, u službenoj uporabi srpski jezik i ćirilično pismo. To istina pokazuje i našu suludu želju da napravimo nekakve razlike, ali eto, tako nam zakon kaže. Inače, nazivi na ćirilici nalaze se u još dva od gore spomenutih mjesta pa ih odi ukloni pošto ja nemam duše za to.--MirkoS18 (talk) 02:43, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
He, he, he, direktor i ja se slazemo oko necega, pa mora da ce smak sveta :)))) Lepo kalendar Maja najavljuje 2012. godinu kao zadnju.
Da direktore, oni hoce da ga eliminisu skroz iz lede-a. A to sto je isti jezik nema veze, jer ono sto se stavlja je cirilica jer je u srpskom prvenstveno koriscen prema latinici. Mirko, sto se tice oficijalnog koriscenja, prava i to, samo bi trebalo da se odnosi na koriscenje u infoboxu. A u lede-u se cak i Latinski koristi, koji nije nigde oficijalan sigurno i nema procentazu govornika. Tu mogu da se ukljucuju nazivi iz istorijskih razloga recimo, stari nazivi, kao i nazivi koje koriste manjine. Cekaj Mirko, sta se slazes sa Direktorom? FkpCascais (talk) 02:47, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Vidim ja da se vi svi jako dobro slažete i tako to. Sa Direktorom sam do sada imao malo ali kvalitetnog kontakta, ali ako ovako nastavim sa vama još će ovo postati vrlo ugodno neformalno čavrljanje. Ma da dajte pogledajte još jednom šta vam rekoh, u statutima tih 7 općina se spominje i srpski i ćirilica kao službeni/oficijelni pa to možda i ide u info? Ili trebam ipak odustati kad kažem da sam odustao :D . Možda ovi na onoj stranici o sukobima ipak odluče da je najbolje rješenje srpskohrvatski pa smo svi zadovoljni :).--MirkoS18 (talk) 02:58, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Moram obojicu da vas razocaram, ali nema srpsko-hrvatski... Hteli, ne hteli ovde su ga svi podelili, i cak i bosanski i crnogoski. Ja sam dugo diskutovao u proslosti kako je sve to isti jezik, ali mi nije bilo prihvaceno. Cak sam dao argument da ako recimo jedan isti jezik govore recimo srbin i crnogorac, srbin ga naziva srpskim a crnogorac crnogorskim... Ili recimo, kad pravis prevod, sta uradis copy/paste jel, i to je to, kao, sad je na drugom jeziku? Mislim, znam da preterujem (imamo mozda jednu razlicitu rec po strani, mozda...), ali postoje bukvalno drugi jezici ciji su razliciti dijalekti vise razliciti nego recimo hrvatski i bosanski, ili bilo koji od ovih "nasih"...
U ovom problemu o kojem diskutujemo, srpski treba da ima pravo u odredjenim clancima da bude ukljuceno, i ono sto je ukljuceno je cirilica jer ima prioritet u srpskom jeziku nad latinicom, ali posto je srpski dvoazbucni, onda se stavlja template Serbian Cyrillic: a ne Serbian: jer bi ovaj drugi trebao obe verzije da ukljuci (i cirilicu i latinicu), i koristi se samo kada je verzija na latinici drugacija od naslova... Mozda nisam ovo dobro objasnio ali je ovo praksa generalno na vikipediji za srpski jezik.
Ako je srpski u zvanicnoj upotrebi pored hrvatskog u odredjenim mestima, onda bi trebalo i u infobox da se ukljuci. U sustini raspravljamo dve stvari, infobox, gde bi samo trebalo da se ukljuci u mestima u kojima ima priznat status, i lede, gde bi trebao da bude ukljucen u mestima sa prisutnom manjinom (10% je bilo sasvim OK). Sad shvatam da sam se mozda malo zaleteo u diskusiji tamo sto sam spominjao samo lede upotrebu... Spomenucu tamo ovo za infobox da bude jasnije. FkpCascais (talk) 03:30, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Ma da, jezik su raznorazne drzavne institucije i politicari zaista proglasili drugim jezicima, to je istina, cak bih rekao uz slaganje pucanstva - ali to je sve uglavnom nevazno. Nikoga vani nije nimalo briga sta kazu Balkanski politicari, Balkanski narod, cak ni Balkanski lingvisti, to jest, jedini stav koji je bitan je onaj vecine linvista, to jest vecine znanstvenika u tom polju (tzv. "consensus in the scientific community"). A oni su poprilicno jednoglasni: Srpski, Hrvatski, Bosanski i Crnogorski su cetiri sluzbena standarda bazirana na stokavskom dialektu jednog jezika, koji se najcesce zove Srpskohrvatski. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 19:51, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
A zašto u tom slučaju to ne koristimo bar na wikipediji. Ja bih vrlo rado pristao na taj prijdelog. Ipak, ako se takav prijedlog iz nekog razloga ne može/ne mogne usvojiti tada se planiram strogo držati toga da su to različiti jezici i kao takve ih i koristiti. Može li se taj prijedlog predložiti nekome ko nema veze sa našim lokalnim projektima na wikipediji jer će tu to biti razapeto i izbodeno glogovim kolcima?--MirkoS18 (talk) 21:11, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Ti si idealista, vidim :). To bi bilo vrlo tesko: cijeli Balkan se medusobno mrzi i podrzava odvojene jezike. Mozda malo manje u Srbiji jer vas ima toliko mnogo vise od ostalih da su se ostala tri jezika de facto proglasila da bi se diferencirali od Srpskog. Clanak Serbo-Croatian language je imao veliku srecu zato sto su se za njega interesirali mnogi neutralni useri koji rade na jezicnim clancima. Bio bi potreban ogroman angazman sa njihove strane, te participacija drugih neutralnih korisnika, da se takav jedan konsenzus donese (na recimo Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Languages), ali mozes ocekivati da ce se gotovo svaki korisnik sa Balkana protiviti tome (opet, pogotvo ne-Srbi). --DIREKTOR (TALK) 21:18, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Sto se crnogorskog tice stvar nije toliko cista (ne mislim na "etnicki cista" direktore :) Crnogorski je proglasen kao jezik od strane crnogorske vlade (Djukanovic, naravno), ali jos uvek nije priznat na medjunarodnom nivou, i prema ISO kodu jos uvek se smatra kao dijalekt srpskog jezika. Naravno, odredjene crnogorske editore to ne interesuje, i masovno sire template (Montenegrin: x) na raznim clancima, a srpske editore mrzi da se time bakcu. Na crnogorskim fudbalskim clancima postoji sporazum da se koristi samo (Cyrillic:x) umesto (Montenegrin: x) ili (Serbian Cyrillic: x) kao privremeno resenje, iako je u sustini to srpska cirilica, mada postoji neki plan da se promene par slova cisto da bi kao bila drugacija azbuka i drugi jezik... FkpCascais (talk) 00:56, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
Konačno sam pronašao dokument koji sam vam spominjao koji se može otvoriti. Pogledajte ga od 27. do 30. stranice gdje se spominju statuti onih 7 općina o kojim sam vam govorio Erdut,Jagodnjak,Markušica,Šodolovci,Borovo,Trpinja,Negoslavci. Evo ga [4]--MirkoS18 (talk) 01:16, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Tu je sve lepo objasnjeno. U tim opcinama srpski jezik, ukljucujuci i cirilicu i latinicu, (objasnjeno na 28. strani o Sibensko-Kninskoj zupaniji) ima ravnopravno pravo sa hrvatskim. U tim mestima naziv na cirilici ima pravo da se upise u infobox, kao i naravno u prvoj recenici u lede-u. Kazi mi samo, je si sve opcine procitao i proverio? FkpCascais (talk) 03:32, 20 December 2011 (UTC)

Mirko, molim da ne siris okolo lazne izjave u vezi sa mojim stavovima [5]. Ja sam bio vrlo jasan od samog pocetka da se protivim nasilnom uguravanju cirilicnog oblika srpskog i hrvatskog imena spornih naselja u infoboxove, te je moj trenutni stav ne moze da bude doslijedniji nego sta jest. Imena tih naselja na srpskom jeziku su tu vec prisutna. Nacin na koji su talijanska imena prikazana u nekim naseljima nema veze sa ovim pitanjem jer ta naselja sluzbeno koriste dva oblika svog imena povezana crticom, sto nije slucaj u spornim naseljima sa odredenim postotkom srpske nacionalne manjine.
Molim te da shvatis da se promjene prikaza u infoboxima iskljucivo dogovaraju konsenzusom. Izvori sami po sebi ni u kojem slucaju ne prisiljavaju nikoga da nuzno pristane na tvoj format (kao sta gore insinuira Fkp). Ukoliko se zainteresirani korisnici (ili barem velika vecina) sloze sa tvojim prijedlogom, sve je u redu, medutim mora to biti jasno da ne mozes na silu progurati svoje predlozene promjene time da zapocnes WP:EDIT WAR na pola tuceta clanaka.
Time sto se protivim cirilicnoj transliteraciji u infoboxu, koju iskreno smatram pretjeranom, ja ne podrzavam IvanaOS ni bilo koga drugoga, nego se samo drzim svog inicijalnog stava. Sa druge strane, ja imam dojam da se zahtjevi sa vase strane kontinuirano povecavaju: prvo je pocetni tekst bio dosta, sada treba da budu dva alfabeta u infoboxu. --DIREKTOR (TALK) 14:02, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
Ja ne širim nikakve lažne izjave, tvoji stavovi u raspravi nisu dovoljno jasni svim korisnicima. Jedini korisnik sa kojim trenutno imam problem je IvanOS koji je kao što možeš vidjeti obrisao sve ćirilične nazive zato što su oni valjda beskorisni ili takvo nešto. Inače isti je sve i započeo, pa na krivu adresu šalješ prijetnje. Svi ostali korisnici se slažu oko upotrebe ćiriličnih naziva i u infoboxu i u leadu svagdje gdje je jezik službeni. Jedino oko čega se ne slažemo jeste trebamo li korstiti i kako te nazive tamo gdje srpski jezik i ćirilično pismo (koje je izričito navedeno u statutima) treba biti korišteno u leadu u naseljima gdje srpski nije u službenoj upotrebi. Inače svi dokumenti se izdaju i na ćiriličnoj verziji u tim općinama.
Inače, ovo što ja radim nije nikakva novost već je to već prije dogovoreno kada smo prije par mjeseci razgovarali o tome. Dakle velika većina korisnika (osim tebe i IvanaOS-a) se slaže sa tim formatom.
Inače, nikakvi se zahtjevi ne povećavaju već se oni upravo suprotno tome umanjuju. Prvo je moj prijedlog bio da upišemo ime u lead svim naseljima sa značajnim postotkom manjine. Zatim se taj postotak povećao na bar 33.3%, zatim na bar 50%, a ja sam na kraju čak pristao da se koristi samo kod naselja gdje je jezik služben. Inače svagdje gdje je jezik služben (ne samo u istri) u infobox se već upisivao i manjinski naziv pa u tome nema ničega užasnoga i pretjeranoga. Taj se format znači već i prije (pa čak i sa tom ćirilicom) koristio i ja sam napravio maksimalan kompromis. Pogledaj malo o čemu pričamo (ne kritikujem te ali mi se čini da nisi baš dovoljno uključen i upućen).
Što se tiče prijetnji da ću biti kažnjen zato što uklanjam vandalske i cenzorske postuke spomenutog korisnika ja sam spreman snositi posljedice.
Сретан Божић (са малим закашњењем) и Нова Година. :D--MirkoS18 (talk) 17:58, 26 December 2011 (UTC)
I'm not religious, but thank you :). --DIREKTOR (TALK) 01:35, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Mirko, bio sam zauzet ovih dana pa me zato nije bilo. Daj mi malo vremena da vidim sta se desilo. Nema veze ako par dana prodje sa direktorovom voljom, jer je bitno kako ce na kraju izgledati. Pozdrav! FkpCascais (talk) 04:04, 27 December 2011 (UTC)

Notice of discussion at the Administrators' Noticeboard[edit]

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Regarding this issue, please note that you are engaged in a slow-moving edit war across many articles; if you don't stop undoing other people's edits and accept whatever consensus emerges from the discussion you started, you'll end up blocked. Salvio Let's talk about it! 11:13, 28 December 2011 (UTC)
No worries, I have a lot of other things I can do. Greetings.--MirkoS18 (talk) 22:16, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

3RR[edit]

Break the rule 3RR ( [6] [7] [8]) List of active separatist movements in Europe --Sokac121 (talk) 20:46, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

I will be more careful, thank you for information. I got a warning because of that (it is good that I had not made ​​more than three times).--MirkoS18 (talk) 20:54, 1 January 2012 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of The position and status of Serbs in Croatia (Open letter)[edit]

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Debate on use of place names in minority languages[edit]

hi MirkoS18 thanks for your request re the debate on Serbian place names in Croatia. It is clearly a hotly debated topic. I find it quite hard to intervene, because my instinct as a minority rights activist (I work here Minority Rights Group International) is to support using the minority place names. (and by the way I am sitting here in East London, just 100 yards from here all the street names are signposted in English and Bengali...) But there is clearly also an issue of wikipedia etiquette and policies, which I am not an expert on at all.

It seems to me to be much less controversial to include the Cyrillic name in the individual articles for each locality. So I am surprised not to see it, for example, in the article on Ervenik, the muncipality with the 2nd hightest proportion of Serbs.

I think by the way, if a threshold is used to determine, in national minority policies, when a minority has reached a "significant" proportion of the population, as per Council of Europe minority rights conventions, it is often 20%. But why 20% - clearly it is arbitrary to a certain extent.

Spinach charm (talk) 11:16, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Serbia[edit]

An Invite to join WikiProject Serbia[edit]

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  • Done. Thanks for invitation. Или једноставно хвала на позиву :D.--MirkoS18 (talk) 20:38, 6 February 2012 (UTC)
Always. Нема проблема, ту сам да помогнем ако треба! :) --WhiteWriter speaks 20:43, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi! :)[edit]

Hi Mirko! Responded to your WWHM comments: Wikipedia_talk:WikiWomen's_History_Month#Seeking_to_help. SO happy to have you on board! :) My brother is from Belgrade! Sadly, he doesn't edit Wikipedia, but, he's my bestfriend and I'm always happy when I can pal up with his fellow Serbs! SarahStierch (talk) 02:08, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

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New one[edit]

Maybe we should create List of World War II monuments and memorials in Croatia, as we have enough material from main article? What do you say? --WhiteWriterspeaks 23:22, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

I am absolutely in favor of that idea. You will begin to write that article or you will let it to us at WikiProject Croatia?--MirkoS18 (talk) 00:41, 7 March 2012 (UTC)

Re: Pitanje[edit]

I've answered the question about the template at User talk:Sokac121#Re: Joint Council of Municipalities, there's a standard discussion procedure for these kinds of things.

(The rest of the answer isn't in English because it relates to doing something off-wiki in .hr.)

Iako sam ja formalno član udruge Wikimedia Hrvatska, i to koji je svojedobno prvi uplatio 50 kuna u proračun novoosnovane udruge :) nisam nešto aktivan lokalno, a ostali se uglavnom bave hrvatskom verzijom Wikipedije, pa mislim da bi mogao takvo pitanje postaviti na hr:Wikipedija:Kafić. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 08:26, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

WikiProject Eastern Europe, Cities, Geography on JCM[edit]

WikiProject Croatia already basically covers all of these topics - it's a child project to Eastern Europe, which in turn is a child project of Geography; Cities is a child of Countries, and .hr is a child project of Countries.

It seems like what you really want is something like a task force for ethnic Serbs, and that could be child to one of the appropriate projects - Croatia, Serbia, maybe former Yugoslavia, maybe Europe if you can envisage more content. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 08:35, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

It doesn't really matter how many editors contribute to a project or a task force, as long as they do a quality job. I don't think anyone in their right mind could object to a ethnic Serbs task force of WP Croatia - I would certainly do my best to censure any opposition based on chauvinist reasons.
If your primary interest is the scope of WP Croatia, that's a perfectly suitable location for this activity. The reason I mentioned other WPs is that such a task force could easily be generalized to cover ethnic Serbs elsewhere, so we need not constrain it within the scope of WP Croatia. But such a constraint is not out of the question, particularly in the beginning.
Extending {{WikiProject Croatia}} with a parameter for the Serbs task force would be just as easy as doing it at any other similar template.
--Joy [shallot] (talk) 19:03, 30 March 2012 (UTC)

Marija Bursac[edit]

Marko na fotografiji koju si nazvao MARIJA BURSAC, se ne nalaz Marija, vec partizanka MILJA MARIN, to je sa cuvene ratne fotografije Zorza Skrgina. Pa bih te molio da ovu fotografiju izbrises ili da je preimenujes. Svakako ukloni ga iz clanka. Kako zaista izgleda Marija Bursac, mozes videti u clanku na srpskoj vikipediji. --77.243.20.36 (talk) 07:55, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

Google me je prevario. Srediću to. Lijep pozdrav.--MirkoS18 (talk) 08:36, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
Učinjeno--MirkoS18 (talk) 13:21, 11 April 2012 (UTC)


minority organisations in Croatia[edit]

hi MirkoS18

sorry to be so slow getting back to you. I have passed on your suggestions to our publications team. I don't think it will be a problem. Do monitor the page and if there is no change, I will try to find out why.

BTW I couldn't find the page you recommended, Template: Serbian minority institutions and organizations in Croatia.

cheers Chris Spinach charm (talk) 09:56, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

hi[edit]

hi Mirko ok now i worked it out, I was trying to get to the template from the "revision" entry which is a dead link.

So now I found it. Still not used to some of the quirks of wikipedia.

It seems there are a lot of different types of organisations working on Serbian issues. But our entry in the directory "advocacy organisations" is really specifically for NGOs, and mainly human rights NGOs. Schools, radio stations and church bodies are not really what we're aiming to include. So might I encourage you to pick out those bodies which really fit this bill and send me a list?

You know, looking back at some of that discussion on including Serbian spellings in wiki entries, you always remained calm and diplomatic, but some of the tone of the other users just seems quite nasty. It's all very well to cite wikipedia conventions and traditions, but it could easily become just a cover for imposing prejudices on other people. Spinach charm (talk) 10:30, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Mirko, you are invited![edit]

The UB template looks so much better now! I hope our WikiProject will succeed! --Comparativist1 (talk) 10:34, 28 May 2012 (UTC)

Barnstar[edit]

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I, FkpCascais, award you with this barnstar for being an exemple of politeness and civility for all Wikipeians. FkpCascais (talk) 22:10, 27 June 2012 (UTC)


Despite not having crossed myself much with you lately, I do feel appropriate to present you with this award because whenever I crossed myself with any participation of yours in an any area of Wikipedia it allways passed trough my mind the wish that one day all Wikipedians will have a civil and correct approach as you do. Best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 22:10, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Wow, this is my first barnstar. Thank you very much, I am really happy and proud about this :). You know, it is a nice feeling when someone praise you for good thing. I hope that with raise of my conscience in editing and removal of irresponsibility as a result of anonymity, I will realy deserve this award.--MirkoS18 (talk) 22:27, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
Oh, don´t be so modest, you already deserve this one, all you can do now is to keep on having the same positive attitude, and perhaps win some more in the future. ;) Hope everything is fine and that you´re having a pleasent summer. FkpCascais (talk) 23:08, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

RE:JCM[edit]

Hello! No problem there really, at least merges and splits are easy once the content is there. And in terms of content JCM is more or less already there, it is chiefly a matter of organization and scope. I'm thinking of writing a brief peer review in the article's talk page. I'm a bit busy lately so I can't guarantee a time frame, but let's say in one week or so if you agree. GregorB (talk) 22:26, 27 June 2012 (UTC)

Ha ha, that's the trouble with awards: after one gives the standard acceptance speech ("This award will motivate me to work even harder, blah blah"), he is actually expected to behave that way... :-) GregorB (talk) 23:14, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
But that is not a bad thing just per se. The awards highlight one´s good actions, and when motivating one to continue doing so, or do even better, it means that it purpose is right.
Btw, Gregor is one of the finest Wikipedians I ever met. Since the first time we met some years ago, I noteced the enormous ammount of incredible work he does around here, improving all sorts of articles in many ways, categorising, tagging, creating and completing talk pages, helping and expanding stubs and newly created articles, well, basically all sorts of things, from the most important ones, to the most tedious minor things which are equally important for the overall organisation of different projects. He doesn´t know it, but he was kind of my mentor back then. So, a Wikipedian like myself gets thrully happy when two excellent Wikipedians, like the two of you are, get along well and work together in order to improve things around here. All this may sound a bit cliché on my behalve, but it is trouth. After all, Wikipedia is a dinamic project in which beside the content and quality of the articles, one becomes aware about the importance of the good and healthy colaboration among its contributors. :) More then the barnstars by themselfs, it is the awareness of this on behalve of other Wikipedians that it is important, and the barnstars end up simply being a more visible display of that recognition. Wishing a nice summer to both of you, I send you best regards, FkpCascais (talk) 01:11, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for warning. I'm not really familiar with many of Wikipedia policies so I make such mistakes sometimes. I improved article so I thought it was ok to delete tag. But it is truth, it may appear biased.--MirkoS18 (talk) 01:10, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

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"Food and drink" section[edit]

If you don't mind, I will delete the "Food and drink" section from Šodolovci and other settlement articles. This is because:

  • The same content is copy-pasted to multiple articles.
  • It is unsourced and probably unsourcable.
  • It does not belong into each and every settlement article, as customs related to food and drink to not really vary from village to village, and when they do, there are reliable sources that say so. GregorB (talk) 12:13, 14 October 2012 (UTC)

Gvozd[edit]

Looks reasonably safe to me, because: 1) the change is reliably sourced, and 2) the controversy is about whether to change the town's name or not, not whether it has actually been changed officially or not (it has). The article should certainly note the name change and the controversy behind it, but I'd recommend against too much detail, so as to avoid WP:UNDUE issues, as well as attracting POV edits. GregorB (talk) 08:57, 30 October 2012 (UTC)


Немам проблем са тим[edit]

али...Општинско веће је одговорно и надлежно за промену имена насеља на својој територији у складу наравно са вољом већине грађана и то се и догодило - насељено место (насеље, градић) силом названо Гвозд 1996. године нико не зна из ког разлога јер само име не вуче никакву етничку конотацију, од 23. овог месеца добија своје вишевековно име Вргинмост. Е сад. зашто сам ја "дописао" Вргинмост у листу насеља, а као име чланка оставио Гвозд је тај, што се још увек није остварила процедура којом се мења ИМЕ ОПШТИНЕ, а право на то има само Сабор Хрватске, дакле да мења имена општинама и градовима. Зато сам сматрао да нек остане регуларно док се и то не догоди, а надам се да ће што пре, првенствено због тога што је између осталих и мени захваљујући чланак оо овм месту и општини на српској Википедији годинама до данашњег дана носио име Вргинмост, иако је притисака апсолутно било пуно пута. Хвала Богу, правда побеђује па тако и случај да сами грађани одлуче како ће место да им се зове. Уосталом кад је вишевековни Драганић Гудовачки, затим Драганић, мога референдумом без икаквог повода да добије име Горње Ровишће, не знам шта је већ годинама био проблем са Вргом и његовим Мостом :)) Поздрав.--Boris Godunov (talk) 17:18, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Будите без бриге...Budite bez brige[edit]

Oprostite ako vam je bio problem da pročitate, jer ja u suštini koristim ćirilicu, ali naravno u skladu sa mestima na kojima se nalazim koristim latinicu, ne zamerite. Što se mene tiče, najbolje je ne dirati ništa. To će svakako biti brza odluka koja dolazi na "dnevni red" obično u paketu i svakako da nema razloga za probleme. Samim tim ime Gvozd preimenovano u Vrginmost je sasvim dovoljno. Ako primetite da sam negde dodavao kao odvojeno naselje o kome bi se sad pisalo naširoko nekih novih tekstova iako je reč o malom mestu, slobodno brišite! Veliki pozdrav za vas i hvala na kulturnom obraćanju:)), retko se sreće.--Boris Godunov (talk) 18:54, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Serbian Orthodox church in Vrlika[edit]

Hi Mirko! I noticed your interes in serbian churches in Croatia. The article about Serbian Orthodox church dedicated to Saint Nicholas (Serbian: Храм Св. Оца Николаја) in Vrlika doesn't exist. Maybe you can write it, since some informations are present in the article about Vrlika. Regards, Kebeta (talk) 19:15, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Here is the image. --Kebeta (talk) 22:00, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
The church that you see on this image (on right) is Serbian Orthodox church dedicated to Saint Nicholas
I inserted the image into the artice.--Kebeta (talk) 22:04, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
I created an article about one small church near Vrlika. See Church of Holy Salvation, Marko Četnik. You can expanded more.--Kebeta (talk) 22:34, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
I agree with you about the name, but there ia already church with that name. See Church of Holy Salvation, Cetina. Maybe some other name??--Kebeta (talk) 22:46, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
No it's not a nickname, it is a real surname. Orthodox church of Holy Salvation, Cetina is a very good suggestion. --Kebeta (talk) 22:49, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
I agree with you. Regards, Kebeta (talk) 22:54, 20 November 2012 (UTC)

Re: Help needed 2 (:[edit]

The easiest, cleanest way: 1) the owner should upload the photo to Picasa, Flickr, Panoramio or some other site, 2) the owner should then change the licensing options for that photo (these sites default to "All rights reserved", but this can be changed by the uploader). Should be Commons-compatible, i.e. by or by-sa.[9] Ask me if you need further advice (I don't actually use these sites, but I'll try to help). GregorB (talk) 23:29, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

File:Serbian Orthodox Church Vinkovci.jpg[edit]

This image is likely to be deleted, because it's a non-free image of a building for which a free image could reasonably be taken. If you want the image kept, and kept at high resolution, I strongly suggest getting the photographer to license that image freely under Creative Commons, using CC-BY-3.0. This means the photographer retains their copyright, but licenses anyone to use the image forever with credit given ("attribution") to the photographer, with no share-alike, meaning no derivative uses or remixing permitted.

Here are the steps:

  1. Copy and fill out the form from Commons:OTRS#Licensing_images:_when_do_I_contact_OTRS.3F (scroll down) with the CC-BY license 3.0 indicated.
  2. Send the form and image to the photographer.
  3. Get them to fill out the rest of the form. Have them email reply with the attachments intact to you, that way you can doublecheck their work.
  4. While you're waiting, put {{OTRS pending}} on the image Description page. No kidding around, get the permission.
  5. After the photographer sends back the filled-out form+image to you, forward it, attachments intact, to permissions-commons(at)wikimedia.org
    (if the image has been deleted in the meantime, upload it to Commons, with the CC-BY license, and {{OTRS pending}} as above)
  6. After OTRS responds by email, they, or you, will add the OTRS ticket # to the image file.

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Why are you adding WP:Serbia? It's irrelevant. This is a political entity of Bosnia and Herzegovina. --PRODUCER (TALK) 13:22, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

The articles you've tagged are covered by WP:BiH. WP:Serbia does not blindly cover all things that are Serb. There's a reason that, for example, WP:Albania isn't tagged at Assembly of Kosovo. --PRODUCER (TALK) 13:35, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
It simply isn't in the scope of the Wikiproject. WP:Serbia covers "articles related to Serbia and Serbians" this pertains to neither. You want to tag the constitution, government, assembly, and politics of an entity in an entirely separate country. It's absurd. --PRODUCER (TALK) 14:22, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
This is not an instant messaging system. There is no "deadline" for a message to arrive and the process of WP:BRD exists so as not to edit war. "Do you think that editors of WP Serbia are not interested in these articles at all?" I'm sure some Serbians find Montenegro also interesting as well, what's your point? You're again pushing this Wikiproject as if it is WP:Serbs and not WP:Serbia. Plenty of ex-Yugoslavia individuals find the other countries personally "interesting", some for nationalistic reasons, but that's irrelevant. This isn't a matter for the arbitrary personal feelings or interests of editors to decide, it's a matter of the established scope which has its boundaries. Also you can give as many examples as you wish they are not arguments in and of themselves. It doesn't change the entire Wikiproject's scope. Your "compromise" reveals this is a nationalist matter and I'm not interested in any "bargaining". --PRODUCER (TALK) 15:27, 13 December 2012 (UTC)
Your edits were contested, you must discuss with other editors and not just do your own thing after being reverted, this includes not edit warring while the discussion is still on going. You wanted to bargain as if your argument was a given and requested an entirely new Wikiproject be made to mark the talkpages in the event of WP:Serbia's absence even though WP:BiH is perfectly suitable. That hints at your intentions. Again personal interests are absolutely irrelevant, it is the established Wikiproject's scope that's relevant. Continuing your logic would lead to every Montenegro article being tagged as well simply because you or some other WP:Serbia members happen to find Montenegro "interesting" as well. It's ridiculous. --PRODUCER (TALK) 17:44, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Mirko, this is a highly controversial issue. I seriously recommend you take a step back and discuss. An actual wars were recently fought over the concept that Republica Srpska and/or Kosovo are "Serbia". The edit is sensitive and I whole-heartily urge you to stop the edit wars and discuss in good faith, otherwise the matter will probably end up on AE or some other sysop noticeboard. Please keep WP:ARBMAC in mind. -- Director (talk) 20:07, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

December 2012[edit]

In a 2007 arbitration case, administrators were given the power to impose discretionary sanctions on any user working on articles concerning the Balkans. Before any such sanctions are imposed, editors are to be put on notice of the decision. This notice is not to be taken as implying any inappropriate behaviour on your part, merely to warn you of the Arbitration Committee's decision. Thank you. -- Director (talk) 20:07, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

Mirko, I've only just started realizing the extent of the disruption. You've inappropriately added the WikiProject Serbia tag to dozens upon dozens of articles. I won't say this more than once: the scope of WikiProject Serbia is Serbia itself and its people (citizens), referred to as Serbians. Only articles directly and unambiguously related to the Republic of Serbia can be tagged as belonging to that WikiProject.
I've invested the effort and reverted all inappropriate tagging on your part. Should you actually start edit-warring over this, this matter will be brought-up on WP:AE as a very clear breach of WP:ARBMAC. -- Director (talk) 15:58, 15 December 2012 (UTC)
No, Mirko, he misguided you. The scope of WikiProject Serbia is "articles related to Serbia", but that does not mean that those must be located only in Serbia. That would be a problem. --WhiteWriterspeaks 11:18, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

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POV[edit]

Stop adding Cyrillic to infoobox, You do not have permission Community.--Sokac121 (talk) 21:04, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

I suppose you mistakenly said community while you really think IvanOS and you? As I can see, WP Croatia community have nothing against my reasonable proposal. Best Regards.--MirkoS18 (talk) 21:08, 24 February 2013 (UTC)

reference formatting[edit]

Please see WP:Citing sources and use {{cite web}} to format the many links you added into ref tags. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 18:08, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Generally, you can link to reliable sources even if you don't have an online copy; just because something is online that doesn't make it more or less reliable. As for dead links, you can try and use e.g. {{wayback}}. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 14:42, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
To resolve a user conduct dispute, try Wikipedia:Requests for comment/User conduct. To resolve an infobox style dispute, try Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Infoboxes. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 14:42, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Where in this source says that the village should be written in Cyrillic [10]--Sokac121 (talk) 20:40, 8 March 2013 (UTC)

Cyrillic[edit]

If I recall correctly, the current consensus is that repeating the same Serbo-Croatian name twice in two alphabets is unnecessary and provocative. I remind you that according to current Wikipedia consensus (and general scholarly consensus), both Serbian and Croatian are variants of a single language. -- Director (talk) 01:56, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Both scripts are used in SC, that's true - but in this particular instance the official name is only in Latin. Like I said before on this subject.. if the official name of the municipality was "Općina Borovo-Општина Борово" then your format would make sense. Cities like Pula really are officially named "Grad Pula–Città di Pola", but I have yet to see any source that actually states Borovo Municipality is referred to in any context as "Općina Borovo-Општина Борово". All there is is your (rather doubtful) WP:ORIGINAL RESEARCH, and your own conclusion that that's the way "it should be written".
In short, please distinguish between 1. a municipality recognizing Serbian as a minority language used therein, and 2. a municipality officially using said language as (part of) its name in some form.
Unless you find a real source for your claims, your edits just look like provocation and nationalist POV-pushing, and as such will be reverted. Please be aware of 3RR and WP:EW and avoid edit-warring. -- Director (talk) 02:35, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Your reply is not a reply with regard to my above post. I could not care less what other articles are using. In actual fact, I'm the guy who first proposed the format you are pushing. Its first application was with bilingual towns in Istria, regardless of where its been erroneously copied to.
Let me assure you, in addition, that I have seen no sources indicating that any one of these municipalities uses a "[Latin]-[Cyrillic]" format. Can you provide a quick link here, with page number if its a document (as required in WP:V)? -- Director (talk) 02:53, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
No, look, this is the sort of thing you need. An official document. -- Director (talk) 02:52, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Statutes? Ok, if the statutes of those municipalities actually use the "[Latin]-[Cyrillic]" format, then reference them properly in the article (with a page number) and as far as I'm concerned your format is warranted. But please make 100% sure they do actually use that format.. -- Director (talk) 03:01, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
I will definitely try to find an official document that use this version. Such documents are available for all municipalities in Podunavlje (Serbian and Hungarian) but I'm not 100% sure it will be possible for all other municipalities in Croatia. The problem is that very few of these documents are available online so I have to use one that I use in articles. But I'll think of something. I'm glad that I finally explained that it is copy of Istria case. In general, I even personally agree with you about Serbo-Croatian, but practice is very different (I rarely even use Cyrillic alphabet-I just think that in this case it may have "cathartic" and positive effect regardless of all conflicts).--MirkoS18 (talk) 03:13, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Like I said, provide incontrovertible evidence of the official name being in the "[Latin]-[Cyrillic]" format, and I myself am fine with the change. Otherwise, please give it a rest. -- Director (talk) 03:19, 10 March 2013 (UTC)
Simply put: yes. That's OR. Statutes would do it. -- Director (talk) 03:24, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Minority official languages[edit]

-( Saw that nice exchange - people should not comment if they have no intention on helping with problems being put forth. So to your request - Have you looked at Wikipedia:Requests for comment - see if you can get more (outsiders) involved?.Moxy (talk) 16:34, 14 March 2013 (UTC)

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Minority official languages, again[edit]

I blocked IvanOS because it appeared that he was vandalising pages. It's clearly a content dispute this time and not such an obvious situation; as such, I don't think that I want to become involved. Nyttend (talk) 13:04, 2 April 2013 (UTC)

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Linking[edit]

Hi Mirko: thanks for your work. Please note that on en.WP, years, dates, and common terms are not usually linked. Best. Tony (talk) 11:41, 1 June 2013 (UTC)

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Serbian help needed[edit]

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Linguistic controversies[edit]

Hi. Would you please stop adding Category:Linguistic controversies every article related to Croatian/Serbian/Bosnian/Serbo-Croatian? There is actually very little controversy about it outside the Balkans, and even within the Balkans many linguists don't see the topic as controversial. Thank you. Timbouctou (talk) 17:42, 11 September 2013 (UTC)

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{{Serbian minority institutions and organizations in Croatia}}[edit]

This template's name isn't {{Serbs of Croatia}}, so you're breaking guideline #2 of WP:NAVBOX. You should move it first. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 20:43, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Also, it's really crowded, and on my window and font size, it causes a horizontal scrollbar. You should use nested navboxes instead. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 20:44, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

You don't need to change all the transclusions immediately, redirects to templates work. Thanks. --Joy [shallot] (talk) 20:01, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Земља Војиновића[edit]

Hi MirkoS18 would like to know as this title in english. A greeting. --Kardam (talk) 02:42, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Nomination of College of Economics, Entrepreneurship and Management "Zrinski" for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article College of Economics, Entrepreneurship and Management "Zrinski" is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Re: WP Croatia Conversation-Minority Languages[edit]

My understanding is that what was said in the WP Croatia talk is more or less the position of the project. While it is not binding on anyone, it carries certain weight.

The "Official languages" section in the infobox is fine as far as I'm concerned because it makes the issue clearer. GregorB (talk) 17:35, 2 May 2014 (UTC)

Wiki Loves Pride 2014[edit]

Hi MirkoS18. In case you are not aware, there is an upcoming campaign to improve coverage of LGBT-related topics on Wikipedia, culminating with an international edit-a-thon on June 21. See Atlanta's Wikipedia:Meetup/Atlanta/Wiki Loves Pride 2014 for more information. We are expanding the LGBT Atlanta, Georgia pages. This would be a tremendous help to Wikipedia and coverage of LGBT culture and history. Thanks for your consideration, and please let me know if you have any questions! --tdempsey (talk) 06:59, 12 June 2014 (UTC)