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DYK & ITN[edit]

Symbol question.svg This user has written or expanded 233 articles featured in the Did You Know section on the Main Page.

My DYKs are on this sub-page and my ITNs are on this sub-page. Earlier discussions are archived here

Dyk25CE.svg The 25 DYK Medal
For achieving your 25th Did You Know? I hereby award you this big fat medal. Well done. Hersfold (t/a/c) 23:16, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
Dyk50CE.svg The 50 DYK Medal
Trams, mills, railways ... I think Isambard would have been proud of your approach particulary the French ideas, but he would have barred our veteran editor from further progression for supporting a railway that was merely a metre. But he's not here! So more seriously, thank you on behalf of the wiki. (Let me tell you though that the 100 one s a really cool yellowy gold colour). Good luck with the GA and cheers Victuallers (talk) 12:54, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
Dyk100CE.svg The 100 DYK Medal  
As I told you at 50 ... the 100 DYK medal is a really cool shade of yellow. I hope you are not disappointed, as the wiki is not regretful at all of your efforts. Well done. The wiki gets better due to your contributions and its a pleasure to thank you again on behalf of the wiki. See you at 200? Victuallers (talk) 21:09, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Dyk200CE.svg The 200 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
The D.Y.K. Project thanks you for your tireless contributions. The Interior (Talk) 17:48, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for PS Castalia[edit]

Thank you for thanking me. I actually noticed only one of the typos, but I use Firefox and it apparently spellchecks everything by default. When I went into edit mode, not only was the error I noticed underlined with a wavy line, so were other things. I had to sort out the genuine mistakes from a lot of "false positives"; I hope I didn't change anything that was right.

You are obviously a very active contributor to Wikipedia. I am mostly a consumer -- I benefit from the work you and others like you do. Thank you very much.

I have no idea whether this is the right place for this comment. You replied to my talk page and this is your talk page, so I hope it is. If not, you will move it. Gms3591 (talk) 07:21, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Want to expand Peace in Africa for a DYK?[edit]

Hi Mjroots, you and Haus seem to have good access to merchant marine sources. Want to expand Peace in Africa (ship) for DYK? Djembayz (talk) 11:55, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Any additions to Malahat (schooner) at DYK?[edit]

Hi again! I've put in a self nom for Malahat (schooner) at DYK. Perhaps you can spruce it up a bit. Djembayz (talk) 21:06, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of 1912 Brooklands Flanders Monoplane crash[edit]

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Bump. Chris857 (talk) 03:11, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/De Akkermolen[edit]

Ping. Hope you're doing well. Drmies (talk) 02:38, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Incomplete DYK nomination[edit]

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Some disruptive editing[edit]

Hey, mj, I was hoping you might be able to take a look at the 2012 Formula One season and Talk:2012 Formula One season pages. A user, Colinmotox11 has been making some edits that have been disruptive. I posted a message on his Talk page that I think is a fair summary of the events of the past 24 hours. Basically, he has been making unsubstantiated edits to the page, ignoring preliminary consensus on the issue, undoing any subsequent reversions, using contradictory arguments to justify it and accusing members who disagree with him of violating WP:OWN. While his intentions are good - he only wants to make the page accurate - his methods and his attitude are completely unnecessary. I don't know if there is anything you or the other administrators can do, but I don't think we've heard the last of him on this matter. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 06:04, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, mj. I knew I could count on you. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 07:20, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

Hey, mj, sorry to bother you again, but can you please take a look at Colinmotox11 again? He's trying to force through changes to the 2012 Formula One season by claiming he has got consensus for them, but reading over the arguments posted on the talk page, it's clear that consensus is against him: four people support his changes, and seven do not. Can you please do something about this, because he's dangerously close to violating the three-edit rule.

Furthermore, I feel that his edits set a dangerous precedent. His footnotes in the driver table essentially create a scenario where the table says one thing, and then he gets out of it by saying something else entirely at the bottom of the table, explaining why content should not be included in the article. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 21:41, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Canadian Parliamentary Motion on Alexander Graham Bell[edit]

Was there a consensus for this move? I saw nothing but "oppose" but move went through anyway? FWiW Bzuk (talk) 21:07, 27 December 2011 (UTC).

See Canadian Parliamentary Motion 37/1-1205[edit]

Don't know what happened here, but it appears to be a "midnight" move when no one was watching. FWiW Bzuk (talk) 06:26, 11 January 2012 (UTC).

Move protection[edit]

I'm uninvolved with whatever quarrel is going on over the article currently at Action of 25 January 2012, but the absurdity of this title has come up in at least two discrete ITN discussions. Would you mind at least giving it some vaguely identifiable name until those warring can work out their differences? I know that's going against protocol, but in this situation anything other than the status quo seems like a clear common sense exception.   — C M B J   08:01, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with the precedent you're referring to, but I cannot personally see using "action" as a static term ("action {date}") as opposed to {action} as a descriptive variable ("{action} {date}") for any article like this. But even if that's true, it's still an affront to common sense and in direct opposition to WP:NCE, which recommends that articles such as this follow the "{when} {where} {what}" variable format. Additionally, the current title goes against WP:STRONGNAT, which prescribes "{month} {day}, {year}" for American topics. I'm aware that it's generally bad mojo for an intervening administrator to take a position in this kind of setting, but again I think we're dealing with an IAR situation.   — C M B J   08:52, 28 January 2012 (UTC)
No, I'm not saying that you've erred in trying to prevent an edit war -- I'm simply reaffirming the views of other contributors that the current name is demonstrably baseless and is interfering with a time-sensitive process (ITN), one that WP:RM wasn't ever designed to accommodate. There is no reason why an interim name—any sane name—cannot be used until those users work out their differences. As a side note, the fact that something this blatantly wrong is even a point of contention at or beyond WP:AN astonishes me. The situation at hand is nothing less than bedlamitic; it's the functional equivalent of someone creating an article named Weather Event January 24 and then successfully vetoing a rename to Cyclone Funso, or any alternative, such as Intense Tropical Cyclone Funso, or Tropical Cyclone Funso, or Cyclone Funso (2012), for the same invalid reasons and in spite of the same unequivocal guideline and during the same type of 5-day nomination debate. It's so disruptive that it's now the subject of broader debate in a discussion about the future of ITN.   — C M B J   13:08, 28 January 2012 (UTC)


Could you change the protection level on Phil Mickelson? An administrator put it in full lockdown. I contacted[1] that administrator but he hasn't replied. It just needs semi protection from IPs....William 16:48, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

I see that Nick has this in hand. Will leave it to him to action. Mjroots (talk) 16:54, 21 July 2013 (UTC)

Root and Branch[edit]

Hello, The article Root and Branch was moved by me to Root and Branch legislation. As another editor objected to this I wanted to move it again to Root and Branch Petition but this was not permitted. If you agree perhaps you could do what is necessary to move it.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 19:19, 11 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Mjroots (talk) 19:32, 11 October 2013 (UTC)
Thank you very much.--Felix Folio Secundus (talk) 20:05, 11 October 2013 (UTC)


I am unhappy because this user has recently been consistently reverting my edits - the latest of which on the Arriva North West page was seen as "nonconstructive" and reverted - all I simply did was update the fleet section. Also this user has been removing vehicle types from various articles (Bus Vannin, Stagecoach Merseyside and Arriva North West) - they have been there for a long time so I don't see how a list of vehicle types isn't needed. I also don't see why he is reverting all of my edits JamesSteamPacket (talk) 18:09, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

I edited the article and have added the relevant references. I hope that this resolves the matter. Thanks - JamesSteamPacket (talk) 18:37, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi @JamesSteamPacket:,
I simply revert those unsourced & perhaps unneeded additions, -
I can assure you I've not just reverted you but can see it perhaps looks like I have,
You've done some great editing! :)
Keep up the great work! :)
Regards, →Davey2010→→Talk to me!→ 00:31, 28 February 2014 (UTC)

Request Page Unprotect[edit]

I've tried hammering out something that YSSYguy and Ahunt will agree to in the Talk:PSA Airlines page. I've added things they brought up and even picked up a couple more citations. I guess I'd like to have the page unprotected so I can add the final iteration at the bottom of the subject on the talk page to the article. Thanks -- (talk) 02:45, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Need this page section semi-protected....again. If you could, please return Controversial Pay Caps section to this rendition [2]. YSSYguy and Ahunt refuse to WP:HEAR that there is no "Consensus". They do not WP:OWN this page. They need to come to the Talk page and suggest a version of the Controversial Pay Caps section. They argue that there is a "consensus" that there shouldn't be a section at all. You can see by the numerous reverts and user comments (Both registered and IP) that there should indeed be a section like this, there is no "consensus" to blank this section. From the PSA Airlines: Revision history page and the Talk:PSA Airlines page there are multiple opinions on the status and text of the section. I'd had the section in question up on the Talk page for over a week. Nothing was added, or protested. They are now exploiting the fact that I asked you to un-protect the page, to start their WP:BLANKING all over again. -- (talk) 02:26, 5 February 2014 (UTC)

Ban Request[edit]

Dear Mjroots, I hereby request a ban on User:Gįs Contismalter for the following reasons:

Please take this matter into consideration. Thank you. --Mark Chung (talk) 21:11, 8 March 2014 (UTC)

Tournesol.png Thanks a lot for the help. Mark Chung (talk) 21:49, 8 March 2014 (UTC)


Re: the message you left on Binksternet's talk page, no you didn't protect it for a week, you have indefinitely protected it. You may want to consider fixing it. (talk) 16:33, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

@, thank you for that, reset to a week. Mjroots (talk) 16:39, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Help with moving page.[edit]

Hello Mjroots, I am trying to move Corvette (war ship) back to Corvette (as the previous move appears to be without consensus) but am prevented from doing so because a redirect to Chevrolet Corvette now occupies that position. Is there a way to revert or will I need to list at WP:Requested moves. I got your name from one of the previous move discussions in case you were wondering and thought you'd be sympathetic to my cause.--Ykraps (talk) 22:11, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

@Ykraps: - The article has been moved back to its original title. I've protected it from being moved at Admin level, so any further proposal to move the article will have to be discussed. There was very strong consensus that the warship carried the primary meaning last time this was discussed. Mjroots (talk) 01:59, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for your help.--Ykraps (talk) 07:41, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

PP of Islamabad[edit]

I don't believe Islamabad needs to be protected, per my most recent revert of the page, the anon editor was actually correct, and I almost (or did) accidentally start an edit war. I apologized to the anon on my talk page. @NDKilla^^^ 20:55, 26 February 2015 (UTC)


Hi Mj - sorry to bring this up again. I hope that you are well

As soon as I mentioned to Hstudent about Epm-84 being absent from the discussion - the next response was a rather poorly mannered response from Epm-84. It's nearly a month since I started the discussion (as JamesSteamPacket) and they insist on carrying on the discussion even after a consensus was reached. I'm planning to implement the removal and relocation of the information that they inserted (as per the 2-1 in favour consensus reached by April 14) in the next few days - but I highly suspect they will probably continue to revert my attempts to remove and relocate the information. Is there anything that can be done if they do go against the consensus?

I have tried to bring the discussion to a close - but in my view it's just turned into them arguing because they can't accept the consensus didn't go in their favour. Their latest solution was the deletion of the entire table - which to me is just an absolutely ridiculous suggestion

They have now twice avoided addressing or denying my suspicions that Epm-84 and Hstudent are the same person - so I think that this has all but confirmed that my suspicions are indeed correct. Do you know if there any updates on the investigation I requested? I think that it may be worth using their denial of my suspicions as further evidence to support the theory that Epm-84 is the same person as Hstudent - Coradia175 (talk) 17:25, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

@Coradia175: - It would be a good idea to add further evidence to the sockpuppet investigation. The better a case you can make, the better the chance of a successful outcome. Any problems with the article being edited agains consensus let me know and I'll take a look. Mjroots (talk) 17:39, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
@Mjroots: - Despite all of the evidence I've provided - the SPI clerk disagrees with my case. I don't see the point in continuing it further because I've provided as much evidence as I can find - and I simply don't have the time to go through both accounts to find any further evidence at the moment. I'm disappointed to say the least as I thought it was a decent case
I've just edited the Northern Rail page and relocated the seating capacity information as per the consensus. I'll let you know if they go against the consensus and revert my edit - Coradia175 (talk) 17:14, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
I saw that you added further evidence after the clerk's comments. If you've done all you can and the case is declined it's not the end of the world. Other options are available. Let's see how this pans out. Mjroots (talk) 17:34, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
I've made one last attempt to try and make a stronger case - but after that I just think it would be best to explore the other options that are available. Thanks for your help and support on this matter though - it's really appreciated. Coradia175 (talk) 23:56, 22 April 2015 (UTC)


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Jinnah International Airport[edit]

Why did you revert my edit? I explained my edit and the hidden note given was well explained. (talk) 16:11, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Beijing was added as a destination but I removed it as stated in the note. (talk) 16:22, 24 October 2014 (UTC)

Turkish Airlines + Kathmandu[edit]

Hello Mjroots. Regarding this [3], have you seen the discussion at the article's talk?--Jetstreamer Talk 18:59, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Villa Castelli helicopter crash[edit]

Actually, I translated the tweet for myself :-) I follow Wiltord on Twitter so I'd already read it, and even easier to do! Because I translated the hashtags he used I included them in the quote of the tweet. I felt this was more thorough, and if quoting someone I like to do it in full :-) Sophoife (talk) 12:00, 10 March 2015 (UTC)


It's actually here at Fr:Dropped. :) This is Paul (talk) 13:45, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

So it is, I didn't spot that. :) The link should really be to Dropped (French TV series) or even just Dropped (TV series) as we don't currently have another related article. This is Paul (talk) 13:50, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for your Delta 1086 advice[edit]

Writing something with thought is very Wikipedian. Just causing trouble and saying "no" is common but not wikipedian. Thanks for your advice. With 24 injuries, this is something. I saw an article with the left wing. It is banged up. If it were a new plane, they might fix it but with a 1987 plane, they might not. Wowee Zowee public (talk) 00:01, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Geotags, Grid refs etc,[edit]

Geo Links and Geograph[edit]

There are problems with your suggestion- which is the reason I haven't done it. There is a discussion forum Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates that is discussing the whole thing. The crux is that many people are unhappy if the link goes to one site, no matter how useful, and believes that the link should only go to GeoHack, where the reader can choose the map they want. There are a lot of unhappy people there. I have a problem with the way we are doing the conversion. It looks great, but if we edit either gridref or the location then the other doesn't change. In looking for a solution, I have been looking at the maths and a lot doesn't add up, this coupled with the volatility of forum, I have been hanging back. ClemRutter (talk) 18:32, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello there, and thanks for the contact. To me this looks good, but (and it is a big but) I'm afraid the issue appears more complex and contentious than I had first anticipated. I'm also not particularly "clued-up" about which system is good and which is bad, which seems to be part of an ongoing debate. All I know is that there should be a standard system, and these should be included as part of the text for settlements in the UK. Have you taken this to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Geographical coordinates? -- Jza84 · (talk) 23:15, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Infobox geotags- looks as it will take some time. Its on my list! ClemRutter (talk) 01:28, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

Checking inline geotags[edit]

  • Now the accuracy of OStoWiki has been corrected (+/- 2m) all previous references may need tweaking.
  • The GeoHack tool now has a new interface and at the bottom of the GB section, under the dangerously inaccurate grid reference is a fantastic tool called Map of all Coordinates in article.
  • I tried it on the Loose stream, and because of it I I'm going to make another tweak to OStoWiki.

ClemRutter (talk) 21:45, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

It is perfectly safe to use: the next tweak will be an enhancementClemRutter (talk) 23:59, 31 January 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the reminder. Although I use OS maps within multimap to find things, multimap gives DMS output, and the numbering of the OS gridlines in the display tends to be hidden; so I tend to think I'm not ever going to use {{oscoor}}. However your intervention did cause me to go back and read the national grid system article, so as to understand the resolution of various lengths of OS coordinate. As I would not have done this without your intervention; thanks! --Tagishsimon (talk) 15:41, 5 August 2009 (UTC)

Problem with gbmapping and oscoor templates[edit]

Hi, There seems to be a small inaccuracy in the translation of OSGB coords to WGS84. I've mentioned it here and here but haven't found anyone who might be able to fix it. Do you know where it would be best to raise it, please?--Cavrdg (talk) 20:45, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Grid refs[edit]

I did not like having to display grid refs without spaces. At long last I have got round to asking someone and doing this very simple edit. The php that it calls was already prepared to receive spaces. That means you could do this edit to other articles that call oscoor (which is now a redirect). But certainly, I suggest using {{gbmappingsmall}} in any future case. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 18:59, 30 January 2011 (UTC)

I have now implemented oscoor elimination as a tool - see Template talk:oscoor. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 19:30, 11 February 2011 (UTC)


Moved from my user page
Yes indeed! A terrific place for browsing old memories and old haunts as well! Thanks for the reminder. Palmeira (talk) 17:36, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

Hmm, the FAQ says CC-BY-SA-2.0 but I think that should still usable. We just have to maintain attribution. LeadSongDog come howl! 03:30, 10 May 2012 (UTC)


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De Kievit, Menaldum[edit]

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@Coren: - Material which is entirely sourced from the Wikipedia article that I created on De Poelen, Dronrijp. Mjroots (talk) 22:15, 2 September 2014 (UTC)

Category:Windmills in Bedfordshire[edit]

Category:Windmills in Bedfordshire, which you created, has been nominated for dual upmerging into Category:Buildings and structures in Bedfordshire and Category:Windmills in England. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:09, 10 October 2014 (UTC)

There's actually a dozen articles in the nomination but you only created one of them.RevelationDirect (talk) 01:09, 10 October 2014 (UTC)


A corn mill would clearly be industrial, or better as agricultural which we don't have established as a tree yet. A drainage mill could be agricultural or infrastructure or maybe both. It would likely depend on the use and the quality of the article. I don't think we can automatically include a parent windmill category as agricultural, or industrial of infrastructure. Vegaswikian (talk) 19:09, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Balancing pockets on burr stones[edit]

Hi, I've just been adding some stuff to Stembridge Mill, High Ham (in the hope of getting it to GA standard). This source says it "retains two pairs of French burr stones (having Clark and Dunham 1859 patent balancing pockets)". I've put this into the article but I don't really understand what "balancing pockets" are. Any ideas?— Rod talk 14:53, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) @Rodw: Stembridge Mill at Historic England; Narborough Mill at Norfolk Mills; Little Salkeld Mill at Geography Department, Portsmouth University . --Redrose64 (talk) 16:41, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks, but although Historic England says " balance weight pockets let into plaster backs", I'm really no wiser what balance weight pockets" are?— Rod talk 16:46, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
French burr stones. Balancing pockets at 12, 4 and 8 o'clock positions.
@Rodw: French Burr stones need to be balanced , much the same as a car tyre does. These stones have a layer of Plaster of Paris several inches thick. Three or four cast iron balancing boxes are let into the top of the millstone. Balancing is achieved by pouring molten lead into the boxes: If a bit too much is added, the excess can be scraped away to fine tune the balance. The pair shown is from a watermill in Oxfordshire, but it's exactly the same in a windmill, although slightly more crucial due to the fact that a constant milling speed is easily achievable in a watermill, but not so in a windmill. Mjroots (talk) 18:46, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. I now understand. Do you think any of that needs adding to Stembidge Mill, or alternatively is there an article I could link the phrase to, or alternatively should I just leave it & assume everyone else apart from me will understand what it means?— Rod talk 18:50, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
@Rodw: I'd stick to the "two pairs of French Burr stones" line. Good luck with the GA. If you need any help let me know. Mjroots (talk) 19:04, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
OK I've taken out the balancing pockets bit. If you wanted to take a look & see if you think there is anything else needed (particularly as it is "a bit short" and I can't find anything further) that would be great.— Rod talk 19:12, 31 March 2015 (UTC)
@Rodw: - I've added a bit more history. Will add millers and a description section later this evening. Take a look at Thelnetham Windmill, which is a GA, might give you some ideas. Mjroots (talk) 11:12, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your edits so far although I'm unsure about the dab link to George Parker as none of the possibles seem to match a miller in the late Victorian era. I will have a read of Thelnetham Windmill.— Rod talk 16:27, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
@Rodw: - Unlinked GP, not a wikinotable person. Have added the other two sections, feel free to improve. Mjroots (talk) 20:04, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for all your help with this. Is "winded" a specialist term in "It is winded by a wheel and chain" or can I change it to wound?— Rod talk 20:26, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
{[reply to|Rodw}} it's "winded", meaning "turned to face the wind", not the past participle of "to wind" (as in clock). Wiktionary is lacking atm, will see what I can do about that! Mjroots (talk) 20:39, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Northern Rail talk page[edit]

Hi there. I have a suspicion on that page the same person has used two accounts to make it look like more people support their argument. What raised my suspicion is that both users have a near identical contributions list in terms of what pages they edit - Epm-84 (Contribs) and Hstudent (Contribs). I understand from another user I get on with and has advised me on this situation that in certain aspects having two accounts can be alright - but surely having two accounts and using both of these to try and add more support to your argument isn't allowed? I don't think it would be very fair either

I don't like making accusations but I think given the circumstances and the similarity in contributions on both accounts - it could well be the same person. The same user has also got problems in accepting any revision of the fleetlist except his own - which myself and another user on that talk page disagree with. Both myself and User:D47817 voted for the removal of the information Epm-84 inserted to the fleetlist (seating capacity variations per unit) and for it to be included on the individual unit articles instead. I am willing to bet however as soon as I get around to doing that Epm-84 will again accuse me of vandalism and re-instate it! - Coradia175 (talk) 14:12, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

@Coradia175: Yes, having two accounts is permissible in certain circumstances. I've got Mjroots2 (talk · contribs) which I use when in public libraries etc so that the password to this account doesn't get compromised. However, what you are talking about in this instance appears to be sockpuppetry (or possibly Meatpuppetry), which is not allowed. You could file a report at WP:SPI if you wish the matter to be looked into. Mjroots (talk) 14:57, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
@Mjroots: Thanks for your help. I've filed a report here - I've supplied as much evidence as I can. It appears it isn't the first time said user has been involved in sockpuppetry accusations - this link (Section You and user:Sheliaval) shows at least two users who suspect Sheliaval and Hstudent of being the same person - and the argument put forward by Sheliaval in my view wasn't very convincing. I've mentioned that in my report as well - Cheers Coradia175 (talk) 15:51, 16 April 2015 (UTC)


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Hugh Kennard[edit]

Nice expansion. You should add yourself to the DYK nomination and let someone else review it—you deserve credit, not least since it was your idea to write an article on the bloke in the first place. Best, HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 17:19, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Frank Buckle[edit]

Could you take a look at this Commons conversation between myself and a Commons admin and let me know what to do with this image? My choices, I think, at this moment are leave licensed as is, switch (slightly) to {{PD-USGov}} or switch to {{PD-US}}. - NeutralhomerTalkCoor. Online Amb'dor • 14:02, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

Poor Man's talkback. - NeutralhomerTalkCoor. Online Amb'dor • 14:42, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
Another talk back, same page and section. - NeutralhomerTalkCoor. Online Amb'dor • 15:17, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Perhaps you can help. User:Anythingyouwant has removed this image from the Frank Buckles page and added this image from commons. Same image, just different name....and different licensing. Mine as what we discussed and his has {{PD-USGov}}. Since he has been an insane help on the article, I don't want to cause any trouble, but I don't feel I am explaining this as best as I can that we can't use the image he has uploaded. To make matters worse, User:Canadian Paul seems to disagree that the image I uploaded is fair-use and it should be {{PD-US}} (see here). I don't know what to do. - NeutralhomerTalkCoor. Online Amb'dor • 07:11, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Mjroots, please don't mess with the image at commons quite yet. It's clearly PD and belongs there. Neutralhomer and I have been discussing this at my talk page, so please check out the discussion there.Anythingyouwant (talk) 07:50, 14 March 2011 (UTC)
Still waiting on the decision about the image over on Commons, going slow. Canadian Paul is going to wait until after the funeral service today (Tuesday) at 4pm EDT before re-reviewing the article, so it remains on hold for 7 days. I have added a couple blurbs about flags being lowered in a couple more states (sadly only 9 states have done so) and a candlelight vigil near his hometown, but other than that, it remains the same. So, feel free to do some searchin' and add some stuff if it isn't already there. Take Care...NeutralhomerTalkCoor. Online Amb'dor • 07:07, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Frank Searle[edit]

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Felipe Camiroaga[edit]

As Camiroaga isn't legally dead, his body hasn't been found and at the moment is only "disappeared", I urge you to not mark his article as a recent death, nor to call him "dead". You are violating the biographies of living people policy by doing that, and additionally, you could be sued if Camiroaga turns out to be alive. None of the bodies have been identified yet, take that into account too.  Diego  talk  19:56, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I know it is impossible that he survived the accident; however, we can't say he died until it's confirmed, for the sake of ethics! :P  Diego  talk  20:06, 3 September 2011 (UTC)

Searle's children[edit]

Hi Mjroots. Why do you say this is standard info for inclusion? Thanks, Eddaido (talk) 10:36, 5 November 2011 (UTC)

So there is a parameter for it. If the children were in any way notable. I'll remove them again. Eddaido (talk) 06:53, 6 November 2011 (UTC)
I don't mind in the least that the infobox shows he had four kids - shows he was (apparently) biologically technically fertile though I'm blessed if I can see why it matters to a reader. I thought the repeat of his parents' names in the infobox was quite surplus to requirements but as its your wish . . .
At some point someone said the article was rather messy and I agree. cheers, Eddaido (talk) 00:51, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

50th birthday[edit]

FYI: Talk:Jim Hawkins (radio presenter)#50th Birthday. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:23, 2 March 2012 (UTC)

Article about Radha Thomas[edit]

I am currently working on the Wiki page for Ms Radha Thomas. She is an Indian jazz singer and songwriter. In fact, she is known as a diva in the Indian jazz scene. She previously was with the band Human Bondage and has sung and performed globally. The article is still under development. I haven't completed it or submitted it for review yet. You can have a look at it at: I will be requesting your help and advice (as usual) in making it conform to all Wiki standards. If you do a Google Search for Radha (,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_cp.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=f6ee012440c72a74&biw=1024&bih=509) you will find dozens of articles and links to her work. As of now, the article is still under development and I will come bug you for help soon! Varunr (talk) 06:45, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Hope you are feeling better. I think I have completed the article and am contemplating it to move it to the AFC space. Before that, I'd really appreciate if you could have a look and give me some inputs, suggestions and advice and hopefully a green signal :-). Here's the link: Varunr (talk) 08:55, 18 September 2012 (UTC)


Hi, I was wondering if you could take a look at the article Skogssamer that I have created. I have nominated it for DYK. But before it will be finally approved some copyediting for Standard English is needed. So if you are interested please take a look. Otherwise thanks anyway :).--BabbaQ (talk) 17:33, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

Nicholas Winton[edit]

Thanks for trying. Great to see such important real world news taking centre stage yet again. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:09, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Hi again. I was wondering if you'd had any response at wp:cz about the class of the Order of the White Lion awarded to Winton? Although I have more or less given up on the ITN nomination, I'm still intrigued. The report at PrageuPost suggests that both awards were made at the same class, but does not explicitly. I'v also scoured all of the top Google hits in Czech (with the help of Google translate!) but have drawn a blank. As User talk:Fuebaey has pointed out, we don't to seem to have any reliable sources yet for the class. One imagines that there would be a Czech Government website somewhere that would put this matter beyond doubt. Many thanks anyway. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:00, 1 November 2014 (UTC)
Oh well, at least we found out it was a Class 1, the same as Churchill's. So some satisfaction. Now the ITN nomination has timed out and dropped off the queue, of course, so any difference in consensus makes no difference, I guess. Hope you are well. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:30, 5 November 2014 (UTC)

Peter Cazalet[edit]

Nice article there. Might be worth trying to find a DYK? from it - maybe the fact about him teaching Elizabeth Taylor to ride possibly? Can you check something from his military career? Article says he was potentially recommended for a Military Medal, but I would imagine by that point Cazalet was already an office and would have been line for a Military Cross - could you have a look at your source to check it? --Bcp67 (talk) 15:07, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Source is online and states Military Medal. As for DYK, that one would work, as would Albert Roux being his personal chef. Mjroots (talk) 18:02, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
OK I can see what's happened with the source there, having read the online article from The Guards Magazine now - the recommendation of the MM refers to a different soldier, a Guardsman - eligible for the Military Medal. Cazalet was the soldier's CO - "Two days later at a laager on a German farm, Gdsm Cumbley’s squadron commander, Peter Cazalet, called him in and told him he would be recommended for an award, but despite a letter of recommendation to Lt Col Windsor Lewis, he was to be disappointed; there was no Military Medal". I'm going to remove the mention from the article. Agree about Albert Roux too, I might nominate this for DYK with a couple of Alt hooks. --Bcp67 (talk) 18:40, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
@Bcp67: - no problem, thanks. If you nominate for DYK you won't need to do a QPQ. Mjroots (talk) 19:27, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank you. I think they've changed the rules lately and anyone nominating has to do a QPQ, it's no problem as I've done a few DYK reviews here and there. --Bcp67 (talk) 19:33, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I've done about as much as I think his cricket career warrants. I'm not sure I believe the story about him turning down the captaincy of Kent for his horse-racing interests: Percy Chapman, as an ex-England captain, was pretty well-ensconced in the job for as long as he wanted it, and Bryan Valentine, a far better cricketer than Cazalet, played fairly regularly and acted as Chapman's deputy for the times whenever the great man's conviviality got in the way of his ability to do the job, which happened more and more across the 1930s. Does the local reference give a date when this captaincy offer took place? Johnlp (talk) 23:27, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. I think that's probably wise. It may well be that he was encouraged to make the couple of appearances for Kent in the 1932 season, as they probably remembered his 150 for them in 1928; but it didn't really work out. I'm surprised that he didn't play for Oxford at all after he was dropped in 1928, not even in the trial match for 1929: could it be that he left the university after two years and didn't finish his degree? Over to you to delve some more if you wish. Johnlp (talk) 10:36, 22 March 2015 (UTC)


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I've deleted both images. Wikipedia will be poorer without them, but it's not worth a slow edit war to keep them up. Mjroots (talk) 15:49, 19 May 2012 (UTC)

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Nomination of October 2013 United Kingdom storm for deletion[edit]

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St Jude storm[edit]

Suggest you take a look at St Jude storm.Martin451 22:52, 27 October 2013 (UTC)

Re: Typhoon Haiyan[edit]

If/when they get enough information, we'll consider splitting them then. But for now, it's rather silly to have such stubby sections. Cyclonebiskit (talk) 00:09, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Otham Abbey[edit]

I'd be inclined to link it only to List of monastic houses in England (which has already been done); however, if I ever get round to writing an article about St Laurence's Chapel, Otteham Court, I will link that to List of former places of worship in Wealden and Grade II* listed buildings in East Sussex and provide a backlink to Otham Abbey in both cases. (I did come across some useful material on the chapel a while ago, possibly in one of the Sussex Archaeological Collections; it's probably in one of my folders somewhere.) Hassocks5489 (Floreat Hova!) 22:38, 16 November 2014 (UTC)


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Shower train[edit]

Can you find anything more on this? Seems quite interesting, as trains go anyway :-)♦ Dr. Blofeld 18:50, 16 September 2014 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Hastings Line[edit]

The article Hastings Line you nominated as a good article has passed Symbol support vote.svg; see Talk:Hastings Line for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Floydian -- Floydian (talk) 02:02, 24 September 2014 (UTC)


Thanks for taking over. One question though ... the sources I read say the S-Bahn ran into the side of the express ("T-boned" it as car drivers say). Is that called a rear-end collision, or do you see different accounts of the angles? Yngvadottir (talk) 16:34, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

@Yngvadottir: looking at the damage and position of the trains, it appears that the collision was near a set of points where two tracks converge, thus a sidelong collision. Will need to go through the sources and run the foreign ones through Google translate to get a better picture. Mjroots (talk) 16:50, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Yes, German sources say sidelong collision. That was the term I wasn't sure of. eine seitliche Kollision (Neue Zürcher Zeitung), "[eine] seitlich[e] Kollision – ein[e] sogenannt[e] 'Flankenfahrt'" in this tabloid article I decided not to cite. The express was passing the station on the outside track; the S-Bahn started up and tried to enter the same track before the express was clear. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:04, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
@Yngvadottir: I found a French source that said the same. Agree with avoiding tabloid sources where possible. There should be plenty of sources available that meet RS. Mjroots (talk) 17:28, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Can you please provide a properly cited source for your addition to the article for List of rail accidents (2010–present)? I've marked it as "citation needed" until it is added. --Allamericanbear (talk) 12:35, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
@Allamericanbear: - It doesn't need one, as there is a linked article. Mjroots (talk) 12:46, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
Can you explain where that's permissible? I've looked at nearly all the different dates (with links to articles) and have seen citations following each one. Wikipedia:Citing_sources doesn't quickly tell me anything regarding it. --Allamericanbear (talk) 13:06, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
@Allamericanbear: It's an accepted practice with lists, but if it makes you happy I'll add a ref. Might be worthy of wider discussion either on the talk page or at Wikiproject level if you want further input. Mjroots (talk) 13:12, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

SR West Country and Battle of Britain classes[edit]

Hello. In July last year, you added the reference Bishop 1984 to the above article, but there is no Bishop listed in the bibliography. Could you add it? Thanks, DrKiernan (talk) 17:35, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done

Level crossing accidents CFD[edit]

As the last participant in the Category:Level crossing accidents in the United States CFD, I suggested that it be renamed to Category:Railroad crossing accidents in the United States instead of the proposed Category:Grade crossing accidents in the United States. An admin closed the proposal as "move to Grade crossing...", but he also noted that another CFD regarding my proposal would be a valid option, so I've nominated Grade crossing accidents in the USA for renaming to Railroad crossing accidents in the USA. Please visit Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2015 March 5 and offer your opinion, if you have one. Nyttend (talk) 02:27, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Vietnamese train crash[edit]

Very good work on the article about the Vietnamese train accident. I found your comment on my Talk Page very amusing, thanks! Perhaps you could work with me on 2015 Galena train derailment. I was trying to give the original articles creator time to work on it, but he seems to have lost interest. Let me know what you think. It was a significant train accident, but the article is incomplete. Thanks for any help. Juneau Mike (talk) 15:59, 12 March 2015 (UTC)

2015 Uttar Pradesh train accident[edit]

I just saw this new article, 2015 Uttar Pradesh train accident. Certainly notable, if the death and injury toll is accurate. I added the "newpage" template to prevent any hyperactive AfD listings, and I also created the Talk Page there. I have to work in about half an hour. But perhaps the three of us (You, the articles creator, and I) can collaborate on this. Thanks! Juneau Mike (talk) 16:26, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

BTW, I've noticed a lot of parameter info is missing from this articles references. I'll look back on this later today. Thanks again. Juneau Mike (talk) 16:28, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
@Mjroots: Thanks! The article looks FANTASTIC now! Thanks for all your hard work! @Rosiestep: Rosie, Mjroots is another Wiki Admin. I have worked with him on several train accident articles lately. Should you need an expert on the matter, Mjroots is your guy! Truly top-notch editor! :) Juneau Mike (talk) 23:50, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the introduction, Mike, and nice to meet you, Mj. --Rosiestep (talk) 02:57, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Waverley Line[edit]

Just want to point you to the fact of this (diff: [4] ) edit. -- KlausFoehl (talk) 10:30, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

This is canvassing. You'd better stop. RGloucester 13:41, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Waverley Line - substantial edit - seeking advice[edit]

As per Wikipedia:Canvassing#Appropriate notification points 1 and 4.2, I am seeking advice on this substantial [5] edit on Waverley Line. Discussion at Talk:Waverley Line please.--KlausFoehl (talk) 15:35, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Australian and Thai train incidents[edit]

While I don't believe this incident rises to the level of creating a new article, I thought this might interest you:

This one might be notable enough for an article, there were numerous deaths and injuries: Let me know if you want to start an article, I'll be glad to help.

The last article (another editor) began was 2015 Los Angeles train crash, which injured nearly 2 dozen and created long transportation delays. I've helped out on that one after it was created. Juneau Mike (talk) 00:56, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

@Michaelh2001: - 2015 Phachi collision created. Daily Mail is not the most reliable of sources, which is why I haven't used it. Mjroots (talk) 04:56, 31 March 2015 (UTC)


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River Len[edit]

Mike I feel quite pleased with myself! I had found the relatively new Geobox|rivers at River Trent and investigated. You will now see the result at this article (I took an easy one first!). There may well be other information - I couldn't work out the coordinates, and in any case a river covers more than one; couldn't find the exact length; and dunno if there is anywhere to be able to get flow rates etc. You may well be able to add more tributaries - I took the ones you had alraedy mentioned under the mills. None of the blanks come out until you give some information. I had also discovered the exact location of the source - a historical document on the Medway; I'm sure you also know more about its course, although perhaps that isn't too important. Peter Peter Shearan (talk) 21:20, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Mill symbols[edit]

As you see I have put two new symbols into your sandbox article. Just a quick fix. Using mills in this way is quite an extension. Come September we need to define what symbols we need- mills with weirs for example, millponds goits. I have been visiting the Dark Peak and realise how much more important water engineering was in the 1780s and the growth of the Cotton Industry. Still I am taking a break now. ClemRutter (talk) 08:31, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I have been talking with guys at WP:RIVERS and trying to work out what icon system to recommend. In a nutshell, the cyan worms are out, rivers are dark blue unless you need to differentiate- then non-navigable are light blue and navigable are darkblue. but I am still working on it. You have source at the top. River Len, Kent seems to be correct. See also Manchester Ship Canal for an upside down example. Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers#Route diagrams gives the discussion.--ClemRutter (talk) 19:51, 12 July 2009 (UTC)


fr:Fichier:LeteaMill.jpg is heel mooi! --ClemRutter (talk) 19:51, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Medway diagram[edit]

This takes a little thought. I like diagrams- very useful for showing mill locations- but there is a convention on canals that navigable should be darkblue and non navigable light blue. The tails as steams meet the river seem clunky. I have been concerned about the representation of reservoirs for some time- is a reservoir navigable or not- how do you show the dam bypass channel. In the simple case: a truncated salami would do- but they often are constructed at the confluence of several rivers. A lot of icons need some thought- and that will take a little time- I will put it on the list. (Some mills are on the wrong bank but that is minor). --ClemRutter (talk) 11:56, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

I have put in far too many hours playing with the diagram on my talk page. Please look over- and see if there is anything to add- you will need to proof read the position of the mills relative to the new locks, and the addition of the Beult and the two mouths of the Teise. I have added some new icons to Template:Waterways legend particularly putting curved dams on reservoirs. --ClemRutter (talk) 19:27, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

To be positive: it is getting there. A few of your changes I don"t like. A river is a hydrographical item, as well as cultural one. The first uncollapsed diagram needs to stand in its own right, and give the reader basic infomation about its course. The collapsed bits need to show the twidddly bits, that the Teise at Yalding has bifurcated, and where mills were situated. When the course is a navigation we need info on the locks. Background colour needs to show whether the river is tidal, a navigation, or non-navigable. The section names are taken from the NRA, and are used by the waterways community- I don't think Lower Mid Upper is really informative. The whole diagram (uncollapsed) needs to be complete and informative in itself. I think that we should do another round of rollbacks and improvement then wrap it in a template and ask the WP:RIVERS for comment on any points where policy decisions need to be made. I would like to use it as a model to be attached to their policy page. I then want to code up the River Etherow, Irk, Irwell, Medlock, Goyt can't you just smell the cotton. --ClemRutter (talk) 13:08, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Yes, width is critical when using collapsable box- expand all the section to see it isn't broken by the change. Titles a lot better- I took one look and thought- I knew I was about to to do that-- but I can't remember having done it. These wretched dock icons look awful- I am going to redo them- I cant see why a narrow dock should be five times wider than the river. I am more concerned about the length if the diagram, then allowing the diagram to be included in Kent pages that make a mention to the Medway. Then into Infoboxes.I am uploading images along the commons:Portland Basin- Ashton Canal at the moment.--ClemRutter (talk) 11:40, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Do you know this one? Template:Medway Navigation--ClemRutter (talk) 13:25, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Well it is certainly ready to be wrapped in a template- so I have. We can do further editing there {{River Medway map}}. I did do one change as the Tidal estuary is downstream from Rochester.

True. There is a limit to the sort of ship you can drive under Rochester Bridge. I think the commissioner of HM Dockyard would agree with me. The London Stone is at Upnor, which is/was the upstream limit of the Port of London- but Rochester is miles from the Swale or Thames. This wrretched river never does things simply!--ClemRutter (talk) 08:16, 25 July 2009 (UTC)


I have been putting a bit of input into Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Rivers‎; that may interest you. Later tonight I will be posting some of the changes. --ClemRutter (talk) 17:52, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Template:River Waveney map[edit]

Hi. I notice you have updated the River Waveney map, but was a little surprised to see that it now runs from south to north. One of the problems of the transposition is that several of the adjoining rivers are now shown on the wrong side. Oulton Broad should be on the other side, as should the River Yare, and the Haddiscoe cut is no longer clearly labelled. I was going to try to sort it out but am a bit short of time at the moment. Bob1960evens (talk) 18:52, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

I am back from holiday now, and have moved Oulton Broad, Haddiscoe Cut and the River Bure back to where they should be, corrected the direction of the locks, and produced a windmill symbol for the windmills. However, I have no sources for which side of the river the windmills should be on, and as the river and Haddiscoe Cut have now been transposed, wondered if you could just check them. Thanks. Bob1960evens (talk) 18:02, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Givors canal[edit]

Hi, given your interest in France and transport and the fact that it's been sitting weeks, I wondered if you'd care to review this one for GA? If you;re not feeling very well I understand though, sorry to hear about that. Your talk page could do with archiving though its 159 kb! Hope you had a good Christmas!♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:47, 28 December 2013 (UTC)


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MS Bulk Jupiter[edit]

After all your help with MV Hoegh Osaka, I thoght you may be interested in this recent shipwreck article too. I just created it as a stub with an infobox (getting better with those) and any expansion is welcomed. Thanks! EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 19:06, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

List of shipwrecks in 1815--recent style edits[edit]

When you have a chance could you look over this article to see if the location edits are up to WP standards? There are also some typos but those are minor so let me know if there should be changes and I'll take care of it. Hope you are feeling better. Get well soon! (talk) 05:11, 9 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for keeping shipwrecks going!!![edit]

I have archived 2007 - 2013 of the shipwrecks project talk page, although it is indeed entertaining reading... - lets hope for a better year for the project this year, HNY.. satusuro 12:43, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

@SatuSuro: - I noticed, as I've got the WP watchlisted. Might be an idea to archive by year rather than the generic Archive 1, 2, etc. Mjroots (talk) 12:50, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
NP - will do I understand where you coming from on that one - sheesh - I think this talk page needs an archiving in parts too :) satusuro 12:53, 12 January 2015 (UTC)
Yes check.svg Done Face-grin.svg Mjroots (talk) 18:09, 12 January 2015 (UTC)

Tug Diomedes[edit]

Thanks for your message. I didn't add to the shipwreck list precisely because I could not find a secondary source. The tug was positively identified when I raised a query on the Warsailors Forum, but I suppose the response there - and my Mk 1 Eyeball reading of the postcard (which I have in my tug collection) are OR. [6]

Quite possibly there is an entry in a volume of Gröner - I have asked Theo Dorgeist, who provided the info in the first place. What was that Belgian publisher thinking? Davidships (talk) 19:27, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Nordstjernen - does it count as a "shipwreck"?[edit]

Hi Mjroots; I noticed that you added the "2013 shipwrecks" navbox to the article MS Nordstjernen. However, fortunately the grounding didn't have too grave consequences, Nordstjernen was repaired again (finished repairs in January 2014) and is now in fine shape, see this page at the Norwegian Directorate for Cultural Heritage (Riksantikvaren). She was used for various events in 2014 and will cruise Svalbard this summer. So, I wonder... List of shipwrecks in 2013 where the navbox links to says "ships sunk, foundered, grounded, or otherwise lost during 2013", but Nordstjernen wasn't "lost". But I'm not sure what exactly counts as a "shipwreck" for the purpose of this list and the navbox. Gestumblindi (talk) 01:35, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

@Gestumblindi: Nordsternen was a grounding, which is why she is listed in the lower section of the navbox. Where a ship has an article and is involved in an incident, it is normal practice to include her in the relevant list of shipwrecks, which is what I used when creating the navbox. If you feel strongly that she should not be included in the navbox, feel free to remove from both article and navbox. Mjroots (talk) 07:19, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Well... at a closer look, maybe the issue is a more fundamental one? What irritated me is a navbox called "Shipwrecks in 2013" in an article about a, I'd say, non-wrecked ship. Only if one expands the navbox it becomes clear that this ship is listed under "Other incidents". That, of course, doesn't just affect Nordstjernen. So... maybe we could rename the navbox, what do you think? E.g. "Shipwrecks and other maritime incidents in 2013"? Or just "Maritime incidents in 2013" (including shipwrecks)? Gestumblindi (talk) 19:49, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
@Gestumblindi: - Yes, we could retitle the navbox header. How does "Shipwrecks and maritime incidents in (year)" sound? Mjroots (talk) 19:56, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Sounds fine to me! Thanks! :-) Can I leave the retitling to you? Gestumblindi (talk) 20:48, 13 February 2015 (UTC)


Thoughts on this as an article, related to notability? Either regarding the ship, or the sinking? 54 dead, and BBC is a pretty reliable source. [7] Let me know what you think, thanks, as always! Juneau Mike (talk) 03:13, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

I'm going to start the article, if it gets moved, etc., we can deal with that later. Juneau Mike (talk) 03:14, 2 April 2015 (UTC)
Article: Sinking of the Dalniy Vostok Juneau Mike (talk) 03:24, 2 April 2015 (UTC)

Irish Willow[edit]

I would value your advice on this: Talk:SS Irish Willow (1918)#Lucky is it trivial, or a source of DYKs? Lugnad (talk) 11:23, 4 May 2015 (UTC)


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Re: 2010 F1 season/Hamilton[edit]

Don't fret man, I'm sure we've all made errors like that at some point during our Wiki lives. We learn and learn every day. :) Regards. Cs-wolves(talk) 15:47, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

I know, but I was just trying to trim some of the page size by removing the refnames of references that did not have another reference point in the article, as in the only mentioning of the reference. Bad idea in hindsight, but just trying to trim every little unnecessary byte off the page. Regards. Cs-wolves(talk) 17:52, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Already responded there! Cs-wolves(talk) 18:45, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
I also believe the ref name tags give unnecessary weight to the article.  Kitchen Roll  (Exchange words) 18:18, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Lewis Hamilton[edit]

It'll probably help that the 115.134.x.x range is out of the way; though I'm sure that's not the only IP range in Malaysia! Black Kite (t) (c) 09:25, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

Flags for F1 race[edit]

You undid my edit on the 2010 European Grand Prix because I changed the flag to European one from Spanish one. I think it is better to put the European one, because it is officially named the European Grand Prix. Of course, there is a Spanish Grand Prix, but all other races have their respective flags, bar this one. M-R-Schumacher (talk) 14:55, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Ok, seen it. Also, thank you for putting my edit as a good faith edit, and not vandalism - because I just edited it thinking that the European flag was the correct one. M-R-Schumacher (talk) 17:09, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
Yes, you are quite correct about everyone learning about Wiki (but I guess everyone will be learning about it until they reitre, and the site does need admins :P). And, I am also trying to fight vandalism, so it would have been quite ironic if I were accused of it! M-R-Schumacher (talk) 17:26, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

Wikiproject Water Sports[edit]

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2011 Australian Grand Prix[edit]

Please do not include blank pre-set sections. A wikipedia article should be ready to be read with whatever information is current at any point in its life. If you are going to 'set up' articles for future expansion, use hides to remove the blank headings from view of those who step into the article for a look prior to its expansion. Just a touch of professional presentation. --Falcadore (talk) 07:59, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

2013 Formula One season[edit]

Hi, Mj,

I've come to you before with a couple of requests, and I'm hoping you can help me out with another one. A few recent developments have lead regular contributors over at WP:F1 to belive that it is time to create a page for the 2013 Formula One season. However, the page has been pre-emptively created half a dozen times in the past, and admins have prevented the page from being created until it is unlocked; we are 18 months away from the start of the 2013 season, and by comparison, the 2012 page was created almost three years in advance. I am hoping you will be able to open up the ability to create the 2013 page, or at least direct me to someone who can if you do not have that happy power, please. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 06:42, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I've changed the salting on the page from create=sysop to create=autoconfirmed, that should let you get to work on it, I think. :) - The Bushranger One ping only 07:05, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
That's fine, Bushranger. Not too soon to create the article now, considering there are drivers with contracts to race in 2013. Mjroots (talk) 07:41, 26 October 2011 (UTC)

Folkestone Racecourse[edit]

Thanks for the message. I'd say its "closing" rather than "closed". The racecourse's own website shows that they still have fixtures left in 2012 and the news story on the Racing Post says it will close at the end of 2012, so I'd say for the moment it should still be marked as an active racecourse until it finally shuts it doors. What do you think?--Bcp67 (talk) 19:02, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for your gracious self-closure at ITN, one rarely sees that. I too "miss" the orange bar of death, haha. μηδείς (talk) 20:26, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

@Medeis: - It's OK, Getting an ITN is nice, but it's no big deal. One advantage of proposing on ITN is that it gets more eyes on an article, which leads to article improvement, whether or not it gets posted. Mjroots (talk) 20:28, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

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You sent me a message last week and i just saw it right now. About the edit wars against me, Actully i wrote my claim in the article's talk page and he didn't listen to me. He's continue's to vandalize articles in Wikipedia and he opened another user. He even didn't blocked! i really don't know why.--Friends147 (talk) 18:56, 16 July 2012 (UTC)


He seems like an energetic new user, perhaps a bit too concerned with presenting his hometown in an overly positive light, but nothing more alarming so far. - Biruitorul Talk 20:02, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Eff Won[edit]

Hi Mj,

I noticed you left a message for Eff Won on his talk page. I know you're assuming good faith, but just in case you're unaware, we believe that Eff Won is actually a sock of Lucy-marie, and is currently the subject of a sockpuppet investigation. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 23:19, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks, but I think it's under control now. As we're all pretty sure it's Lucy, we've had enough experience with her to know how to handle her. Right now, we've managed to contain Eff Won to the article talk pages while we await the outcome of the SPI. If proven right, some of us have talked about adding something to WP:LONG for future reference. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 06:35, 8 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi again Mj,
How long do SPIs generally take? Eff Won has been the subject of one for nearly a week now, and there hasn't been any real progress on it. One way or the other, I'd like the matter closed, because he's starting to get aggressive again (see here and especially here). Prisonermonkeys (talk) 08:53, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Right, thanks for that. I'm hesitant to do it because I don't know how long it would take for an admin to get around to reviewing it, and the page clearly states that you must notify a user if they have been referred to AN or ANI. I'm not keen on that for the time being because I don't know how Eff Won would react if he were to find out before action was taken (assuming action is taken - but we're all fairly certain it's Lucy). I imagine that he would take it poorly, though. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 09:11, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
Eff Won appears to be on the other side of the world to me. Would it be perceived as low if I were to report him to AN/ANI and left the mandatory note on his page while he was asleep so that admins could intervene before he was aware of it? Prisonermonkeys (talk) 09:40, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Okay, I've reported him to ANI. He's denied it, of course, insisting that everything I have said has been taken out of context, deliberately misrepresented and shamelessly exaggerated, but he hasn't actually addressed any of the issues I raised, and he seems to think this will all go away if he asks nicely and promises to try better. I find it rather strange that he hasn't addressed - or even acknowledged - his deplorable behaviour like this. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 07:53, 13 September 2012 (UTC)


I have no difficulty in being civil to anyone but I will simply not lie down and take rudeness. Therefore, I request that you remind Parsecboy of the same. In future it would be best if he did not approach people with such an outright display of arrogance on first contact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by B.G.Watson (talkcontribs) 18:10, 10 September 2012 (UTC)


Thank you for your support at my RfA. I will do my best to live up to people's confidence in me. Yngvadottir (talk) 15:36, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

Grammar issue[edit]

Hi mj,

When you get a chance, can you please take a look at 2012 Formula One season, please? A user, cherkash, has taken issue with some of the grammar in the article, citing MOS:POSS as to why. I told him it was fine, citing other parts of the same policy, but he keeps restoring his edits. He has moved it to the article talk page and has attempted to establish a consensus, but the preliminary consensus is going against him. Other users see no reason to change what is in the article. I also advised him that the Formula One WikiProject has a certain way of doing things, namely that we generally prefer that a consensus is reached on contentious edits before actually implementing them. cherkash keeps restoring his edits despite this and despite preliminary consensus against him. I warned him that he was in violation of WP:3RR, and now his latest edit rewords sections of the article (quite poorly in places, I might add - for someone who is taking issue with grammar, he has no idea how to construct a proper sentence) so as to get around the preliminary consenuss telling him that there was no agreement on his proposed changes. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 07:46, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for the prompt response. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 08:26, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Mj, I'm surprised you took a very partial view of the issue, by threating me with a ban on my talk page, while taking no such action against Prisonermonkeys. If you carefully look at the history and timing of edits on both main article and talk pages, you will see that not only Prisonermonkeys was in violation of the 3RR himself, but he also acted against the spirit of Wikipedia by summarily undoing the edits, only a portion of which was in his opinion controversial, and the rest of which was uncontroversial improvement. This is very much against the Wiki spirit of collaboration, when editors are discouraged to summarily undo other editors' edits unless in cases of vandalism, and are instead encouraged to re-work the edits further towards amicable resolution. In this case, I repeatedly warned him that he dismissed/undid more than edits that contained possessives in question – but he proceeded to revert nonetheless. At the last count, I can see 4 reverts on his part (against my two) – but you nevertheless decided to take your issue up with me not him. It's strange, especially since I tried to constructively resolve the issues in my latest edit, whereas he just repeatedly acted disrespectfully towards me and my attempts at resolving the controversial issue. Since when is the "my way or highway" attitude, as demostrated by Prisonermonkeys, encouraged and endorsed on the Wikipedia? cherkash (talk) 23:52, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

My third reversion of the page came after I told you that you needed a consensus to have your changes approved. At the time, you did not. The preliminary consensus was against your proposals. Nevertheless, you restored the content that you added to the page. I explained to you the reasons for this: the Formula 1 editors prefer to keep the page stable by discussing proposed changes first, and only including them once a consensus had been obtained. Yes, we are conservative, but we do that because the pages get a lot of unsolicited edits, particularly during this time of year when the rumour mill is in full swing. If I reverted your page for the third time, it was because you ignored these instructions. You did not have a consensus, but you saw fit to make changes anyway. You tried to give me some nonsense about how your changes were grammar-related and had nothing to do with changing the actual content of the page, but that is splitting hairs. You did not have consensus to make those changes.
Furthermore, I told you that if you wanted to make any changes to the page outside the grammar, you were welcome to. In particular, I noticed you wanted to change the {{main|(Grand Prix name)}} to {{main article|(Grand Prix name)}}. I have no issue with that, and if you had have changed that and that alone, then I would not have reverted it. Instead, you insisted that I had to be the one to go through and change all the grammar back to its original form if I had an issue with it. If you had have made an edit that changes those templates without touching the grammar, you would have earned yourself considerably more goodwill than you currently have.
Finally, your "attempts at resolving the controversial issue" with your final edit did not amount to much. I changed these for three reasons: 1) they weren't necessary, 2) preliminary consensus decided that the article was fine the way it was, and 3) they actual changes that you made here left the article with some very awkward sentences, such as "Lotus became known as Caterham, reflecting purchase of Caterham Cars by team principal Tony Fernandes". It surprises me that you made so little effort here, given that the majority of your edits have been concerned with grammar. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 02:34, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
PS - Mj, I hope you don't mind my posting like this on your talk page. I saw cherkash's response and thought I might offer a rebuttal in the interests of making your job a little easier by saving you from sifting through pages and pages to find a response. Prisonermonkeys (talk) 02:34, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
Prisonermonkeys, you are clearly bent on splitting hairs, despite claims to the opposite. Mind-boggling: you wouldn't mind me changing the factual contents without building consensus first, but you were clearly very eager to aggressively go after me for trying to change grammar and re-work it to something that would be acceptable to all parties involved. That contradicts the claims to factual stability you pretend to maintain (around the time "rumour mill is in full swing") – since you are clearly more interested in formatting stability than in factual one.
In a good spirit of collaboration it would be better you further change "awkward" grammar (which wasn't that awkward, retaining the original meaning exactly) rather than keep reverting everything. So you have to admit there was a very clear intent on your side to involve in an edit war – and that's exactly what you continued doing despite my efforts to avoid it.
Also note, that by undoing all the edits I did, including those you said you agreed to – and the ones you said would earn me more goodwill – you still managed to mangle and destroy the repeated efforts to fix citation tags. This is a good example of why making incremental edits, instead of reverts/undo's, is always a preferred way to edit Wikipedia. cherkash (talk) 03:09, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Track gauge editor: sock?[edit]

Hi, do you thing that HTML2011 (talk · contribs) who started editing very recently, has concentrated on two areas (HTML and rail gauges) and who has already started twelve RMs, is a sock of TrackConversion (talk · contribs)? --Redrose64 (talk) 12:15, 25 November 2011 (UTC)


I draw you attention to the talk page of St. Pancras, and the documentation of Template:Citation - which clearly states Not required for web pages or linked documents that do not change; mainly for use of web pages that change frequently or have no publication date.

All the accessdates I have removed are from stable, reliable, dated sources. Prof.Haddock (talk) 20:25, 23 September 2014 (UTC)

Strange coincidence[edit]

I don't suppose it's possible for the very thorough NYT to be taken in by "an anonymous investigation source" who happens to also be a nuisance at a certain on-line encyclopedia, is it? The coincidence just seems too strange. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:40, 26 March 2015 (UTC) ... hang on, what's that frenzied banging I can hear?

@Martinevans123: Unlikely, the story was also being reported by Agence France Pressé as well. Such behaviour would be most unprofessional. Mjroots (talk) 13:19, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
I know nothing of this editor's previous editing. It seems there are now calls to welcome him back. I'm pretty sure I'd react exactly the same way if I saw that kind of material at the Talk Page again. To me it was "outlandish speculation". Martinevans123 (talk) 13:54, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
@Martinevans123: The IP is likely to be him anyway. I'm not taking any notice. Mjroots (talk) 15:50, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

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Use of photographs[edit]

I have opened a discussion of my use of my uploaded Commons photographs to augment architectural detail in churches here. As a contributor to a previous 2009 discussion on the use of photographs I would value your input on the notice board. Many thanks. Acabashi (talk) 15:08, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

Re: Date formats[edit]

Unfortunatelly I did it my way, and it will stay that way according to who ever added the template (in this case me): Template:Use dmy dates. I might be wrong, but oner of the admins here told me that if there is a template, do it that way, if there is non, feel free to edit it your way or add a template. Talk to @Ryan Vesey: and/or @Worm That Turned: for more in depth explanation. Plus, its not suppose to be a big deal and mdy dates are even better, because its much clearer on the tongue (since Wikipedia doesn't use of). O' and WP:TIES have nothing to do with our discussion. It talks about language styles, not dates, which I didn't violated.--Mishae (talk) 21:04, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

@Mishae: Please see WP:STRONGNAT for date formats. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:47, 17 July 2014 (UTC)
O.K. Whatever. Still there was no template to notify an unsuspected user that this how I want it.--Mishae (talk) 21:52, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

WP:MOSFLAG issue[edit]

Re: this. What do we do with the flags already removed?--Jetstreamer Talk 15:04, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

@Jetstreamer: - I restored them where they affected articles that I keep a weather eye on. The restorations were partly reverted insofar as the countries were unlinked. So the solution would appear to be to reinstate the flags using {{flagu}}. Mjroots (talk) 16:29, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Flag of Sweden[edit]

Just notifying you of my response[8] regarding the Swedish flag at Vasa (ship). I believe I acted in accordance with WP:BRD since I've raised the issue at flag of Sweden long before making this change. I've added some images of historical flags from the Swedish Maritime Museums to the flag article to underline my point.

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I've been trying to help User:Michel Geerligs with Draft:Local Dreamers. They have been doing everything correctly but the draft has been rejected twice now. I don't want you to override the two reviewers but I would appreciate it if you could look at the references. I have no idea if they are reliable or non-associated with the organisation. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 11:48, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

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