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Happy New Year Mojo Hand![edit]


Thanks for taking care of my user pages! Happy New Year! - Location (talk) 21:14, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Glad to help - it keeps me from working on the hard stuff :) .--Mojo Hand (talk) 21:16, 3 January 2015 (UTC)

Re Klang Gates Dam[edit]

Suit yourself. But if you choose to hide the secret truth from Malaysians, the choice is yours ;) Loyalloudpogostick (talk) 16:41, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello Loyalloudpogostick. One of the core principles of Wikipedia is that we don't publish original research or secret truths.--Mojo Hand (talk) 16:46, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Am I to presume you're Malaysian Special Branch working to hide the truth from Malaysians that they are being used as pawns? Loyalloudpogostick (talk) 16:50, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

If so, you'd have to admit that I have developed an excellent cover - I've been on Wikipedia since 2006, focusing mostly on articles related to the US state of Virginia. I suggest you apply Occam's razor, but that's just me.--Mojo Hand (talk) 16:59, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

I am of the understanding that the officers of the Special Branch were sufficiently capable to rise to leadership ranks in the Communist Party of Malaya while remaining double agents. Knowing the importance of the pact with the Grey mission to our solar system, it is conceivable that all sources - social media, online encyclopedias would be monitored to prevent the truth getting out.

I wish you all the best Loyalloudpogostick (talk) 17:02, 4 January 2015 (UTC)

Thank You For The Welcome To the VA WP[edit]

Thank you for the welcome to the Virginia WikiProject! I will definitely let you know if I have any questions or need asssistance (provided I have first searched for myself). On another note, I notice on your page that you were looking for a modern image of the Prince Edward County courthouse building. I do believe I may have one or two photos of it (I'm a semi-pro photog) that might fit the bill. I'll see if I can dig them up. I also know that photos do exist of the old courthouse building in what is now Worsham (formerly Prince Edward Courthouse). Thank you again for the welcome. JerseyMutt (talk) 19:34, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

@JerseyMutt: Donating a copy of the Prince Edward courthouse would be awesome! It's one of the handful of VA counties that is missing a modern (or any) courthouse image. My long term goal is get them all!--Mojo Hand (talk) 19:59, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

How do i vote and the poeple that supports these new found holiday to vote to keep it up on wikipedia[edit]

I have created a new holiday and some people agrees too it so is there any way i can get it back up on wikipedia paige is and i will be still working on it sincerly adam g duncan — Preceding unsigned comment added by AceSkyHeart (talkcontribs) 05:21, 13 January 2015 (UTC)

PROD tag on Mehnga Singh Babbar[edit]

Hi, you removed the prod tag here, citing that this article was previously proded. Can you point it, when was it proded earlier? Are you referring to any deleted version of this article ? --User talk:Vigyani 03:41, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Yes - if you look at the deletion log, you'll see that the article was previously deleted as a result of a previous prod. Accordingly, I think the right course is to put the article into AfD and hopefully get some closure to the deletion of the article.--Mojo Hand (talk) 04:32, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Alliance Global Group for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Alliance Global Group is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Alliance Global Group (2nd nomination) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. —BarrelProof (talk) 18:51, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Source of revision 630962097?[edit]


I would like to improve Environmental issues in Turkey but am having trouble finding the source of the quote attributed to the UN "there was a drastic drop in export growth for Turkey between 2012 and 2013, from over 16 per cent to about 3 per cent; this is closely linked to the current changes in environmental norms" and whether the link is suspected to be causal. If you can help me find this quote could you let me know via my talk page? Jzlcdh (talk) 23:21, 18 January 2015 (UTC)

Protected edit request on 19 January 2015[edit]

Hello Mojo, You sent me an e-mail on Jan 5, informing me that I had not made any further updates to my draft page Draft:Gerald Braden - Composer - Musician. Unfortunately, I was out of town, and returned to see that you deleted my draft the very next day, on Jan 6. Is there any way to retrieve this draft page? I did not know there was any time limit to keeping the draft without making any changes. Thank you! With regards,

Gerald Braden

Composer-Musician (talk) 05:13, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

The draft has been restore under WP:REFUND. Let me know if you anything else. --Mojo Hand (talk) 23:32, 19 January 2015 (UTC)

Deletion/Amalia Marquez:[edit]

Hi.. although this wikipage has been prima facie deleted, it still exists on Wikipedia as part of the user Mmyotis' user page, suspect references and all:

To be noted is the user's connection to a multi-cited website source, (sustained action/reaction), where said user has moderator/admin permissions. Vested interests apart, is this page continuation permissible under Wiki's rules/guidelines? If so, it would seem to be rather odd and some feedback would be appreciated.

Thankyou. (talk) 16:59, 22 January 2015 (UTC)

More leeway is allowed in userspace to develop article content, as it is not part of the formal encyclopedia. I don't see anything obviously wrong with the content. However, you may want to get a second opinion from User:Lankiveil, who previously listed the original article for WP:AFD and apparently looked at this in greater detail. --Mojo Hand (talk) 21:23, 22 January 2015 (UTC)


Could you restore this? I was a bit hasty yesterday.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 21:09, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

  • Yes check.svg Done--Mojo Hand (talk) 23:00, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
    I want it gone again, sorry. A lot of shit's happening today and it's not going well.—Ryūlóng (琉竜) 23:03, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
    Sorry Mojo Hand, I had already restored it, and redeleted it on request. So I just redeleted it again after Ryulong reverted my restore edit back to his U1 request. :) ☺ · Salvidrim! ·  23:10, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
    No worries - I'm having one of those days too.--Mojo Hand (talk) 23:13, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

Success 3.0 Summit[edit]

Hi there! You had a page I created yesterday, Success 3.0 Summit, deleted. And apparently rightly so as it was about an event. So thanks for being on top of that! However, the Success 3.0 Summit is a movement as well as an event, relevant to many speakers and thought leaders, and spearheaded in part by John Mackey (owner of Whole Foods), so we would like to have a wiki page about the event and its intentions. If I were to recreate a page focusing more on the movement and thoughts behind it, as well as citing the speakers and founders more successfully (apologies, this was my first article), would such an article be left up? Thanks for keeping Wikipedia decluttered and on point. Sunnycalih (talk) 19:33, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello Sunnycalih - don't feel back, as none of us are perfect here. As to likelihood of the page being kept, it's hard to say without seeing what references are available. Good references are really the key to getting articles kept on Wikipedia - see the WP:Golden rule. Good luck!--Mojo Hand (talk) 20:03, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

Mt Pleasant Public School[edit]

I was wondering why you were editing my page on Mt Pleasant Public School we are trying to make it with all the info of the school and you are changing it. Can you please stop! Thanks so much

Ninjaturkey123 (talk) 22:09, 30 January 2015 (UTC) Ninjaturkey123

Hello Ninjaturkey123. You seem to misunderstand how Wikipedia works - you may want to take a look at our introduction page. One key principle is that nobody owns any article, and editors are free to make good faith edits. Let me know if you have any other questions.--Mojo Hand (talk) 22:16, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

How do you put a lock on a page? Ninjaturkey123 (talk) 22:32, 30 January 2015 (UTC) Ninjaturkey123

Pages can be protected by administrators, but only for very specific reasons (which don't apply here). If you want to have more freedom, I suggest you look at creating a draft - see Wikipedia:Drafts.--Mojo Hand (talk) 22:40, 30 January 2015 (UTC)

AllyD page[edit]

Thanks for that - I wasn't wanting to go over the 3RR myself while warning RSK about it... Peridon (talk) 17:35, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

No worries - looks like pure vandalism/disruption. I was just debating if there was any chance of salvaging RSK, but it looks like s/he is just intent on disruption at this point.--Mojo Hand (talk) 17:40, 31 January 2015 (UTC)
I knew someone would be along soon... As their deleted editing looks like self-promo, I wouldn't think there's much chance of rescuing a useful editor. Not if he's going to go off and tag things like that. Peridon (talk) 17:55, 31 January 2015 (UTC)


Hi Mojo Hand, I see that you have deleted Aphrodisias (disambiguation) w/o a serious reason. Why unnecessary ? There are two existing articles with the same name (and probably more still waiting to be created). Next time, please be a bit more considerate before rushing to delete articles. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 19:13, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

Hello Nedim Ardoğa. I deleted the article because it had been properly proposed for deletion and not challenged for nine days - hardly a "rush". If you want to request the restoration of the page, you can. However, I agree with the stated reason - disambiguation was unnecessary in this case. Specifically, we have a clear primary subject at Aphrodisias, and the secondary subject can be disambiguated with the existing hatnote - see WP:TWODABS. Let me know if you have questions.--Mojo Hand (talk) 20:49, 31 January 2015 (UTC)


Stop deleting my page and i wont edit this page anymore — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aidan5555 (talkcontribs) 16:21, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

You don't get your way by harassing other editors. However, why don't you start by telling me which deleted page you are concerned about?--Mojo Hand (talk) 16:24, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

I dont like it and demand you stop at once — Preceding unsigned comment added by Aidan5555 (talkcontribs) 16:28, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

Recent edit[edit]

Change to Cadence ramparts - its in French. The word is rampart (but the name of the musical styles is shortened from "cadence des ramparts" to "cadence ramparts". The Haitian Creole is correctly spelled in the article as "kadans ranpa" ~~~~ ~~~~

Hi! You're welcome for the note. Indeed, I think it would be a good idea to change the article name. Best regards! Anacaona (talk) 11:43, 1 April 2015 (UTC)anacaona

request a deleted article[edit]

Hi, you closed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of law firms in Uganda last year. While your closing that as "Delete" was reasonable given the discussion, I and maybe some others are now wanting to develop the topic (see discussion within current Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Birungyi Barata.), and I would like both to see the edit history and to ensure that past contributors are properly credited in a re-developed list-article. Could you possibly please restore a full copy, with edit history, of the List of law firms in Uganda article, to Draft:List of law firms in Uganda? --doncram 18:54, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Of course - happy to help the effort. I've made the move as requested.--Mojo Hand (talk) 19:25, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Mohammed Yunis[edit]

You deleted the article on Mohammed Yunis, as a speedy g3 -- a hoax. Yunis is one of the members of the Quetta Shura.

Could I request you review the revision history, to see if the version you thought was a hoax looked like a hoax due to vandalism? Geo Swan (talk) 20:54, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi Geo Swan - the article I deleted was a few sentences created by one user. It was about a supposed Iraqi footballer who claims to be the most expensive footballer in history when he transferred from Manchester United to Real Madrid, and, despite his athletic career, apparently had a chemistry exam due. Doesn't seem like your guy, but I'd be happy to undelete for you to take a look if you think there's anything valid there.--Mojo Hand (talk) 21:55, 15 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Thanks, but if there are no edits by me in the revision history I'll just start from scratch.
Thanks for the prompt reply. Geo Swan (talk) 02:56, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

inre Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Spring Break Shark Attack[edit]

WP:NRVE. Topic notability is found through sources being available, and not through a use or not in an article... even a crappy article. Might you revisit the AFD? Thanks. Schmidt, Michael Q. 04:10, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Wow - you know your movie sources. I would have accepted one more solid source, but you overshot by a big margin.--Mojo Hand (talk) 14:41, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

Oi You deleted Cherylyn Barnes[edit]

You Deleted Cherlyn Barnes Who is a singer Do some research and see on you tube And on Itunes Yeah?

08:13, 19 February 2015 (UTC)Chookyson121.216.238.82 (talk) 08:13, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello Chookyson. I have no doubt that Cherlyn Barnes exists, but please take a look at WP:MUSIC for the kind of things that make a musician notable for Wikipedia purposes.--Mojo Hand (talk) 14:58, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Włodzimierz Kiniorski[edit]

I prodded it, as I couldn't locate any reliable sources. Also submitted it to Polish Wikipedia AfD. Thanks for the ping. In the future, WP:POLAND may be a better place to report such issues (more eyes...). Cheers, --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:03, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Merger of Tiger Blue with Yorkshire Tiger[edit]

Good Afternoon,

I have seen that you have un-merged Tiger Blue from Yorkshire Tiger. I have left a week for discussion and no responses where made and the Wikipedia rules where followed. Tiger Blue is being potrayed as a separate company when this is very much not the case. By carrying out a check on the Traffic Area Network of VOSA will show that all Tiger BLue routes have been re-registered with Yorkshire Tiger.

Could I ask to your reasons for un-merging?

Best Wishes and Kind Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 14:04, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Hi I think you have the wrong editor. I didn't do any merging or "un-merging" of Tiger Blue. All I did was to stop the proposed deletion of the page because I thought it should be a redirect. I think you may be looking for User:Davey2010.--Mojo Hand (talk) 21:32, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Ah I wasn't aware he posted here - All sorted anyway :) –Davey2010Talk 21:39, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Great. Nothing better than things getting resolved before I even get there!--Mojo Hand (talk) 21:45, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

Defiance Cycle Ride[edit]

You recently deleted my stub article on the above, reasons given: that there were no independent sources. This is not now the case as there are a number of newspaper articles and a television report about it. Just Google Defiance Cycle Ride to see some. Can you please then reinstate it as this event is important to us in Wales Canol (talk) 20:17, 3 March 2015 (UTC)

The article was deleted after discussion and consensus at WP:AFD. I suggest taking a look at the guideline on the notability of an event - WP:EVENT, noting the information about routine coverage. However, I am generally willing to restore an article if an editor wants to work on it in user-space.--Mojo Hand (talk) 21:27, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your response, I would like the article reinstated as a number of Wikipedians could then contribute to it. I have now read the event notability guidelines and believe there is still a case for this article. It commemorates a historical event and is not just a one off news item. Can you reinstate it please Canol (talk) 21:52, 9 March 2015 (UTC)
I have restored the article to your userspace at User:Canol/Defiance cycle ride. I strongly suggest adding the additional references before moving it into the main encyclopedia space, to avoid it being speedy deleted under WP:CSD#G4. Alternately, I think it would be even better to merge this content with the Defiance Cycle Company article. That would be good content for the company article and avoid the notability concern. Good luck, and let me know if you need assistance.--Mojo Hand (talk) 19:22, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

Christopher Ragland[edit]

I noticed you had deleted a page on Christopher Ragland. Even though I am not the article's creator. Can you please restore the page?, I have found some reliable sources. --ACase0000 (talk) 13:51, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Fair enough. I have restored the page and moved it to User:ACase0000/sandbox2. You can work on it there at your leisure, and move it to live space when you are ready.--Mojo Hand (talk) 19:16, 5 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank so much! --ACase0000 (talk) 04:38, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
Hey Can you take a look at the page now and see what you think? --ACase0000 (talk) 14:33, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
Hello ACase0000 - the page is definitely looking better. Has Ragland officially taken over the voice of Percy yet?--Mojo Hand (talk) 20:40, 19 March 2015 (UTC)
@Mojo Hand: No, Not until season 19 airs later this year. But I would say he has already recorded the audio. --ACase0000 (talk) 02:00, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
I think the article sufficiently asserts notability (in my opinion), so it's safe from speedy deletion. I'm not sure it would survive AfD, but it looks comparable to similar articles.--Mojo Hand (talk) 15:25, 20 March 2015 (UTC)
So do you think it is safe to move into article space now? --ACase0000 (talk) 08:00, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
@ACase0000: Sorry - I missed your last note. Whether the article is ultimately kept is up to the community at large. However, when in doubt, I think you should be bold.--Mojo Hand (talk) 15:11, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

"scientific errors in Quran is not accurate and misinterpreted by wikiIslam- a bias unreliable source"[edit]

Hi I have requested to remove the "scientific errors in the Quran" because it contains inaccurate postings and it was extracted by a bias source called "wikiislam" , a website focussed on the criticism of Islam. Thats why I did not accidentally remove it, if you can please remove that section of "scientific errors in Quran" since I have accurate sources that "Mountains do in fact stabilise the Earth" from science amongst other things. So if you please remove the whole section of "scientific errors in the Quran" would be great, thanks. Emer321 (talk) 19:33, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello Emer321. Wikipedia operates on consensus. If you disagree with that section of the article, the best course is to start a discussion on the article's talk page - Talk:Islam and science. I did however remove a link to Wikiislam, as that was not a proper redirection.--Mojo Hand (talk) 19:53, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

It doesn't make sense to keep unreliable information if it was extracted from an unreliable source focused on criticism. You can't keep something that has no source, that doesn't make sense, please remove it, its original information by unreliable source, straight from wikiislam. Emer321 (talk) 20:12, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

My Archive[edit]

I didn't Template:Db-g7 my archive. Could you please restore it? Adeptzare3, the Great 06:31, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

NOTE: I did now so you can undelete it from the first deletion. Adeptzare3, the Great 06:31, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
Hello Adeptzare3. I'm a little confused, but I have restored the archive. Let me know if you need anything else.--Mojo Hand (talk) 14:09, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

Angela Magana[edit]

I noticed you deleted this page, and I can't find an older version of it, or even the deletion log for that matter. The History just lists your deletion and nothing more. I'm not looking to restore it at the moment, but might you happen to be able to point me in the direction of a copy of the original page? She is a UFC-contracted fighter and would only need 2 more fights there to officially fulfill the WP MMA Project Notability guidelines, so the chances of her qualifying within the next year are more than reasonable. Beansy (talk) 00:16, 26 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello Beansy. I actually only deleted a useless redirect; the original article was at Angela Magaña. That page was deleted by user:Joe Decker after a discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Angela Magaña. Pursuant to the deletion, there is no copy kept on the public encyclopedia. However, if the subject gets to the point where you think she is sufficiently notable and you want to create an article, you can ask Joe Decker (or me) to restore the previous article, rather than starting from scratch.--Mojo Hand (talk) 13:52, 26 March 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for the information, it is much appreciated. I may take you up on it if that happens. I'm not exactly a fan of the person, but it did strike me as odd that an athlete who is currently under UFC contract, and who also got notoriety on a nationally televised reality show, would get their page deleted on a technicality. Beansy (talk) 21:29, 28 March 2015 (UTC)

Speedy Deletion For Mic-Dee[edit]

Hi Mojo Hand I noticed you deleted the page ==Mic-Dee==(A7: Article about a band, singer, musician, or musical ensemble, which does not indicate the importance, i am looking to restore it with your help. at the moment i have found several references and here is one: [1] BashiriB (talk) 22:00, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello BashiriB. I recommend taking a look at WP:Music for the kinds of things that make a person notable for Wikipedia purposes. In particular, I don't believe that www.zambianmusicblog counts as a reliable source in that it allow paid advertising content. Let me know if you have any other questions. --Mojo Hand (talk) 22:07, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Mojo Handthat was useful i'll contact you if i find a reliable source. Good day — Preceding unsigned comment added by BashiriB (talkcontribs) 22:28, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Hello Mojo Hand, me again i wanted to know if is considered reliable source or not — Preceding unsigned comment added by BashiriB (talkcontribs) 22:54, 31 March 2015 (UTC)

Yes - the Post is probably reliable as a source. If you want to use it to show notability, you need a decent story about the guy - not a passing mention or show listing.--Mojo Hand (talk) 00:55, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Contesting of Speedy Deletion For Together Marketing[edit]

First the page I created for Together Marketing was nominated for speedy deletion due to copyright infringement. I would like to contest this due to the fact that the administrator actually used my definition with my permission. The mix up comes because the definition on their page was immediately published while my Wikipedia page was still under review. They have since changed the wording of their definition via my request.

Second, it was recommended that I merge Together Marketing with Affinity marketing which I also want to appeal. Affinity Marketing and Together Marketing may sound similar, but are pretty different. Affinity marketing seems to focus on a one on one relationship between affinity groups and suppliers where Together Marketing encourages working with many partners that are not limited to affinity groups in any way. From what I understand through the affinity group Wikipedia page, affinity groups are just "groups formed around a shared interest or common goal... and their purposes must be primarily non-commercial". Together marketing works with partners that are commercial and non-commercial alike. The partners can be anything from one blogger to a company as big as Nike and everything in between. So while it is not limited to affinity groups, they could also be brought in as partners along side other commercial partners. Affinity Marketing also involves some exchange of money as stated on their wiki page "But usually, affinity groups increase their income by asking a commission for example." Together marketing involves no monetary exchange between partners. The only objective is to help and get help from multiple partners to reach a bigger target audience. The working with multiple partners at once is what also separates Together Marketing from Co-branding.

As I'm sure you can tell, this is the first article I have ever submitted for Wikipedia. With that said, I obviously do not want to get myself banned or break any rules when attempting to resubmit my Together Marketing page. Any guidance on the best way to go about this process would be much appreciated. I also want to say that I had no idea how rigorous this process was and I have a new found respect for the information posted through Wikipedia as well as the extent that moderators go through to ensure quality content. Thank you for your work and for any help! Jessmu (talk) 17:17, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Hello Jessmu; unless I am missing something, Jimfbleak is the admin who deleted the page, so he is probably the one you should discuss this with. However, you should know that one of Wikipedia's guidelines strongly discourages editors from creating pages about companies that they are affiliated with. Good luck. --Mojo Hand (talk) 19:01, 3 April 2015 (UTC)
Hello Jessmu; I've seen this. Can I suggest that you copy the first two paragrpahs above to my talk page so we can discuss it from there. When you do so, please clarify who you mean by the "administrator" you mention in para 1, thanks Jimfbleak - talk to me? 06:01, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Parasat Cable TV PROD[edit]

Hello, Mojo Hand. I noticed you removed the PROD from Parasat Cable TV noting that it was previously kept under an AFD before. I looked at the AFD listed on the talk page, which never once mentioned Parasat Cable nor remotely included it. I don't think that discussion should disqualify its PROD, which was unopposed for over the 7-day period. -- Wikipedical (talk) 17:42, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Upon further reflection, I think you are right. Previous listing at AfD disqualifies an article from PROD, but you are correct that there doesn't seem to be any discussion or inclusion of this article discussed in the AfD. Looks like the AfD link was added in error.
Thanks for bringing this to my attention.--Mojo Hand (talk) 17:53, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Re: Chork[edit]

I noticed that you responded to my proposal to delete Chork by saying that article had already been proposed, and it was decided that it be kept, however, I was unable to find any record of the deletion discussion; nor was that article in the category of past deletion candidates. Could you please tell me where/how to find this deletion discussion? Thank you. Dalamori (talk) 16:54, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello Dalamori. If you check the log, you'll see that Chork was PROD'd and deleted in 2007. There was no discussion, but PROD is a one-shot deal. At this point, the best course is to take it to AfD.--Mojo Hand (talk) 18:25, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
Thank you very much for this link; I've done what you suggested. Dalamori (talk) 06:02, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

Mason Springthorpe[edit]

Hi, please can you advise what the status of the page for Mason Springthorpe is? I see you were involved in the discussion to delete on the subject's talk page in June 2014 however the article is still active. He still doesn't meet the notability criteria having never made an appearance in a professional league, and given that he has recently signed for a club in a semi-professional league, doesn't look like he will meet it any time soon. Apologies I am not experienced in the etiquette of these matters.... JMShrewsbury (talk) 19:27, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Hello JMShrewsbury - your question is perfectly appropriate. I previously deleted the page after a deletion discussion. It appears the page has been recently restored by another admin, by request, with editors asserting that Springthorpe meets WP:GNG by virtue of articles in BBC sports and the Daily Mail etc. The article is certainly improved and better referenced than the version that was deleted after the AfD, so if you want to pursue it, it would probably have to go back to AfD for community consensus. Personally, I think it's a bit borderline, but I confess I don't deal much with WP:Footy articles. I would be interested to hear from the editor who initiated the prior AfD to see what he thinks - @ChrisTheDude: any thoughts?--Mojo Hand (talk) 20:16, 26 May 2015 (UTC)
Hi Mojo Hand, I'd not seen the GNG criteria before, on the basis of that I suspect he is borderline-ok as you suggest. I just think I smell a rat somewhere - for a player who has made most of his appearances at the tenth level of English football he has a wiki article that would shame many professional players..... JMShrewsbury (talk) 20:56, 26 May 2015 (UTC)