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I am the Walrus[edit]


Thanks for reading through all that stuff and commenting positively :) Sumbuddi (talk) 20:25, 27 February 2010 (UTC)


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IRC invitation[edit]

Because I have noticed you commenting at the current RfC regarding Pending Changes, I wanted to invite you to the IRC channel for pending changes. If you are not customarily logged into the IRC, use this link. This under used resource can allow real time discussion at this particularly timely venture of the trial known as Pending Changes. Even if nothing can come from debating points there, at least this invitation is delivered with the best of intentions and good faith expectations. Kind regards. My76Strat 11:23, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

April Fool's jokes[edit]

Thanks for the SPI notice. Hopefully he'll run out of methods to annoy. I can't believe he's serious. Regards, Xenophrenic (talk) 03:21, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

bumped heads[edit]

  • I had just finished adding all the states, and ec with you... have you finished them all? • Ling.Nut (talk) 07:35, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
    • OK, I'm done! • Ling.Nut (talk) 07:45, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
OK, I was actually there to clarify New Mexico Territory, since Arizona Territory was split out during the war and I just noticed a few missing states and didn't realize you were working simultaneously. Mojoworker (talk) 07:48, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
      • I think I hosed the New Mexico Territory and Arizona again. Would you check all 8 or so of those? I gotta run. Tks. • Ling.Nut (talk) 07:59, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
I'll fix them. The sortable table looks great BTW. Mojoworker (talk) 08:12, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Tks. Later... • Ling.Nut (talk) 08:26, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the kind words! • Ling.Nut (talk) 05:33, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Indian wars[edit]

Hey – it seems like you're interested in the Indian wars. If you wanna write (or start to write) a little 2 or 3 sentence introductory blurb to put just before that table, that would be a Good Thing.. If you don't wanna do it, I'll get around to it eventually. Thanks! • Ling.Nut (talk) 08:19, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

OK, I inserted a short intro as well as a tiny intro to the other USA/CSA battles as well as some fixing and cleanup. Mojoworker (talk) 22:49, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
yeah... thanks for the intro text, and thanks for tidying up... I was getting a little bleary-eyed from staring at those things... so thanks! :-) • Ling.Nut (talk) 00:31, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
I know what you mean about being bleary-eyed. You've been working pretty hard for someone who's retired :-) Mojoworker (talk) 01:32, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
shhhhhhhhh.... it's a secret... • Ling.Nut (talk) 03:22, 14 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Thanks for working on that table! I've kinda given up on it, mainly because I'm a little tired of staring at it (at least for now). I'm kinda gonna move on to something else. There are still a handful of battles with no details or comments, but I'm just gonna leave that for others to do... But if you need any help on that or anything else Civil war related, drop me a line. I'm just now starting this topic so am not knowledgeable about it, but can chip in wherever it may help. • Ling.Nut (talk) 23:04, 18 May 2011 (UTC)
Well, you've already done quite a bit of work on it, so I'll see if I can finish it off and maybe add a couple of additional altercations. The last time it was assessed (looks like way back in July 2006), it failed B status on referencing and citations. It would probably make more sense to be rated as a "List" class article instead of a "Start" class article, so I'll see if I can get that changed. Do you think we should have it peer reviewed and maybe eventually have it assessed for featured list status? I wish Wikipedia had been around when I was reading extensively on the Civil War -- would've been easier to find what's missing in an article... Not sure what I'll move on to next -- maybe First Battle of Bull Run since the sesquicentennial is coming up in July. Mojoworker (talk) 01:34, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
  • I have absolutely no idea how they evaluate featured lists. I bet there's a page at WP:WIAFL...yep, I was right (I was just guessing because I am familiar with WP:WIAFA). Yes, it should be a "List" not a "Start." It's easy to change ratings; just change them. • Ling.Nut (talk) 04:27, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
Looks like for WikiProject Military History, "Start" is correct. At WP:WikiProject_Military_history/Assessment#Assessment instructions it says "lists are assessed using the same scale as other articles; however, they progress towards featured list rather than featured article status". The project also chose not to adopt the C-class designation. So, it looks like it's classified correctly, but it seems strange they kept a list from attaining B-class because of referencing and citations. Once I finish up, maybe we should change it to B-Class and then get it reviewed and/or assessed. I see you joined the American Civil War task force. I probably should too. I joined WP:WikiProject Military history/Operation Brothers at War some time ago... Mojoworker (talk) 06:23, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
I'm thinking about changing the "State" field to be the current state and list the state or territory as it existed at the time as the secondary fact. I think it will make the tables less cluttered and easier to use for most people. What do you think? Mojoworker (talk) 18:28, 19 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Are you talking about the CWSAC table, or the Indian Wars table, or all of them? I don't think adding a new column to the CWSAC table would be a good idea. Too many columns, and many of them would be empty (because the state then is the same as the state now). In the Indian wars table, one more column wouldn't hurt (since we deleted the CWSAC rating column). But then the column headers would be something like "Territory" and "State" or even worse, "Current State" (which sounds like "current condition"). You have to put some explanatory text somewhere. I dunno if it would be more clear or not. You could try it and see how it comes out. I dunno. • Ling.Nut (talk) 23:44, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

WP:DEADLINK Southern Adventist University[edit]


Do not delete factual information solely because the URL to the source does not work any longer. WP:Verifiability does not require that all information be supported by a working link, nor does it require the source to be published on-line.

Thanks. Fountainviewkid 15:54, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

I will reply on your talk page. Mojoworker (talk) 18:37, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Regarding your statement here, thank you for taking the time to explain to Fountainviewkid the problems with his edits. Although you are now the third editor to attempt to do so (Hrafn and Jasper Dang have tried previously). Note that the information you are discussing with FVK is still in the article and is still unsourced. I removed it but FVK promptly readded it, still with no source. bW 13:03, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
We're working it out on the Talk page. Please engage there. I believe we are getting to the place in editing which you are requesting, but it's better it come through consensus than arbitrary changes.I personally am about ready to remove the "progressive" reference, but I'd like it to be a community decision. Fountainviewkid 15:40, 24 May 2011 (UTC)
Donald found the Adventist Today print source and added it in. He modified the wording so hopefully this debate should be over. Thanks for your guidance and concern in this. Now we just have to go through the ANI madness after affect. Fountainviewkid 00:17, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

ANI fun[edit]

Hey Mojoworker I have opened an ANI thread to hopefully draw some attention to the issue at Southern Adventist University article. As one the more rationale voices youe comments would be helpful The Resident Anthropologist (talk)•(contribs) 23:04, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

This pov was made because Fountainviewkid canvassed for it. Wouldn't this be gaming the system, and what can be done about it? bW 00:29, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
BW you're the one removing what are now (thanks to Donald) properly sourced edits and adding POV. Fountainviewkid 00:33, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
No, actually, Donald didn't leave the "progressive" in the main text. But content is not justification for gaming the system. bW 00:35, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Actually in the last situations he didn't remove them. He left it in that way. Fountainviewkid 00:37, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
Go look at the history FVK. bW 00:40, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
I've seen the history. Yes originally he moved "progressive" down to the notes section. He also added other info there that you deleted (or should I say reverted). Another editor added the progressive back in, and Donald kept on editing without reverting that point. Though he disagrees with the label in the text, he knows how to edit with creating wars on articles. Fountainviewkid 1:01, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

May 2011[edit]

Please see Talk:Southern Adventist University#Where the fuck did that come from? if you get a chance. Thanks. bW 01:56, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

west virginia[edit]

  • Hi Mojo. :-) I think "Virginia (at the time)" might be a little vague. Maybe "Virginia (currently West Virginia)" would be better? You could link to West Virginia in the American Civil War, perhaps. Cheers.  – Ling.Nut 01:31, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
    • That's how I originally had it, but with New Mexico, Arizona, Confederate Arizona, Virginia and West Virginia in flux during the war, it gets complex and confusing. For example, when did West Virgina come into existence—June 19, 1861 or June 20, 1863 (or somewhere in between)? Also, the CWSAC has them listed using the current states... Anyway, that was my reasoning. What do you think? Can you come up with more descriptive wording that will still fit in the table? I thought of "then Virginia", but "then" has more than one connotation. I also believe that today, most people would be interested in the current location of the site rather than the historical jurisdiction, especially when sorting, otherwise the locations that are currently in West Virginia would be split with some listed as Virginia and others as West Virginia. I do like the idea of wikilinking West Virginia to West Virginia in the American Civil War like New Mexico Territory is linked now. I'll go ahead and do that. Mojoworker (talk) 05:00, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Bello Wello[edit]

I noticed you changed the information about Bello socking to say it was WP:Duck. From what I see on the investigation it was Wikistalk. Are these 2 the same? The IP was confirmed as a sock of another account which was confirmed as a sock of Bello.--Fountainviewkid (talk) 21:06, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, Wikistalk is a tool to compare editing similarity. I removed the "checked=yes" parameter just to make it correct, since the socking wasn't proven by a checkuser, rather he was blocked for socking based on editing similarity. Not that it probably matters much, since it sure looks like the same guy. But I suppose there's always a chance that he will return from his Semester at Sea or trek to Mount Everest base camp, claim it was someone else and that he was uninvolved in the current socking, and find a sympathetic admin. I'm guessing we've not seen the last of him — and as long as he can keep changing IP addresses, it's pretty easy for him to keep editing as an IP. Not much that can be done as long as he's not too blatant about it — although it seems likely he'll have difficulty restraining himself… Mojoworker (talk) 21:42, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
All right. Thanks for the clarification. That makes sense. As you know well he goaded me many times into doing stupid things. Fortunately I'm starting to get that under control. It would be easier if I didn't have to deal with him. My history outside of dealing with him isn't exactly THAT horrible. Yes I was wrong, but having him gone makes my life (and many many others) easier.--Fountainviewkid (talk) 21:54, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
Yes, he really was successful in taking things to the limit and pushing you over the line. And he's obviously an intelligent person and made many good edits, but ultimately, he pushed things too far. And maybe your adversarial relationship with him made you react similarly to anyone that supported one of his edits. Anyway, I didn't take it personally. I see that you have found some mentors, so that's a good thing. Most importantly, don't get blocked again! Stay away from controversial subjects such as politics, abortion, evolution/creationism — I would normally add religion, but I know SDA is the topic you like to edit. You may want to take a look at Wikipedia:Civil POV pushing for other ideas on what not to do. You might see some traits there that fit BelloWello amazingly well, but some other editors you interact with may be fit into that category too, so try to avoid, rather than emulate, that behavior. And I see that you are discussing edits and letting other handle them — I think that's a fine strategy for anything controversial, but I would encourage you to continue editing on non–controversial things so that your article/talk ratio doesn't get too far out of whack and people start thinking you're just using Wikipedia as a social medium. You might want to look at Wikipedia:Contribution_Team/Backlogs for ideas on some things that need fixing. And if you ever have any questions, just let me know . Mojoworker (talk) 23:19, 5 July 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the ideas. I'll still try to keep editing, just not excessively. I know how stringent one's record can be used against them.--Fountainviewkid (talk) 23:49, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

Your request[edit]

I have restored the template, given that it has been about a year. However, you should probably discuss this with the editor who nominated it, since he/she may still think it is unnecessary. But, I do see your point that there are other such campaignboxes with only one link. Plastikspork ―Œ(talk) 15:06, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

OK. I've notified Bart133 and also placed similar information for discussion on the template talk page. Thanks. Mojoworker (talk) 17:15, 8 July 2011 (UTC)
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Re: Campaignbox question[edit]

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User:Mojoworker/Third Battle of Dalton[edit]

Incl. all relevant page history. — kwami (talk) 12:09, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Re: Campaignbox question[edit]

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Hi Mojoworker, thanks for your recent note on my talk page. Your encouragement is appreciated. DonaldRichardSands (talk) 23:44, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for cutting me some slack[edit]

Sorry I messed up one of the references. And thanks for the page. I never knew that they were documented anywhere. Quebec99 (talk) 19:48, 24 August 2011 (UTC)

A question: There is a page and I know another Ray Hill that I would like to start a page on. What would be the best way to proceed? I was thinking to rename the current page and name the new page then rename the current page, or just make the disambiguation page

What are your thoughts?

Quebec99 (talk) 02:51, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Well, I've actually never had to create a disambiguation page, but the second option sounds like the correct approach — create the new article Ray Hill (American), then move Ray Hill to Ray Hill (British) and then create the Ray Hill disambiguation page. See WP:D for more info. Mojoworker (talk) 03:24, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

Mediation Cabal's Logjam[edit]

Thank you very much for asking what happened to Mediation Cabal's efforts to resolve censorship on the Zoellick bio that deleted Zoellick's misconduct at the World Bank, as documented by reliable sources. After having been accused of conflict of interest it is necessary for others to help carry the ball on these rule of law issues.Currency1 (talk) 08:04, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Calvary Chapel[edit]

Hi Mojo, it looks like you kind of took a breather from the gang at Calvary Chapel. I did too. Funny, after I threw in the towel (and even told them that I was doing so), Bluemoonlet reported me to someone. I was out of town for a week to be greeted by a Wiki threat. Yay. From my recent research and my new experiences, it appears that particular religion grows militant attachments among the followers. Anyway, I enjoyed reading your posts in trying to build an encyclopedic page, I thought some of your suggestions were undervalued. Sliceofmiami (talk) 06:04, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

For the record, I have replied to this at User talk:Sliceofmiami. I'll say here also that civil good-faith contributions are most welcome, even (for purposes of balance, I would even say "particularly") those from a viewpoint critical of the article subject. --BlueMoonlet (t/c) 03:16, 25 September 2011 (UTC)


Face-smile.svg Thank you Muchas gracias, merci, vielen Dank and many thanks for your trust and voting me into the team of coordinators. MisterBee1966 (talk) 07:59, 29 September 2011 (UTC)

Dead sea scrolls dating BCE/CE or BC/AD[edit]

Dead sea scrolls dating BCE/CE or BC/ADGoodness me, within seconds my change was reverted by you. As I mentioned to another reverter, if you look to the reference given after the dating you will see the author makes frequent use of the BC/AD system. Surely we have a duty to maintain continuity with the authors work rather than introduce our own views? And I think there is a Wiki policy of keeping true to references. However in the spirit of compromise I see no harm in using wording that supports the authors work without referencing the contentious issue of whether to use BCE/CE or BC/AD? Failing that I'm afraid the matter needs to be elevated up the Wiki dispute resolution chain. But I would like to hear your views first.--Cfimei (talk) 22:41, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

There is a process in place for how to do things. You really ought to read the relevant links that editors have provided to you. Mojoworker (talk) 06:08, 1 October 2011 (UTC)


  • I agree with you about couldn't've, wouldn't've, shouldn't've and other things people say but are afraid to write. Very cool.
  • I promote "themself" ONLY in specific situations like "every individual should act by themself", where "himself or herself" would be correct, "themself" should as well.
  • I love the word "elsehow" and use it all the time, please help me popularize it.
  • I can't stand "There's two things on the table" either, but would accept "There's a table and three chairs", but not if the order of nouns is reversed and the plural comes first.

Thanks for your contributions to articles such as NGSD!

  • I think Oxford commas should always be used on Wikipedia unless there's some good reason not to. Although I don't add them where I see them missing, I always use them myself and revert any edit where someone takes one out.

Chrisrus (talk) 07:51, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Most of those userboxes I found on user pages and liked them enough to use them myself. But, I actually created the "there's with a plural subject" userbox — and there's there are more than 30 people using it, slowly increasing over time.

NGSD Infobox[edit]

I guess we're getting close to resolving the NGSD and taxobox/infobox dog breed — maybe ultimately we'll need to make an Infobox dingo. Mojoworker (talk) 19:29, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your help with the NGSD infobox issue. Chrisrus (talk) 17:35, 25 November 2011 (UTC)
Maybe we could ask at the Wikipedia:WikiProject_Genetics? Chrisrus (talk) 04:24, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

What now for CVU[edit]

Please go to the main talk page and add yourself to one of the lists at the end. But only if you still want to be a member. ~~Ebe123~~ (+) talk
19:34, 25 October 2011 (UTC)


Hello, I heard there are problems with the NGSD box?--Inugami-bargho (talk) 06:48, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Yes. I'm working on a "Dingo box", but I've been out of town and didn't get it finished before I left. I need to catch up on a few things and then I'll try to finish it. Mojoworker (talk) 23:28, 8 December 2011 (UTC)

Military Historian of the Year[edit]

Nominations for the "Military Historian of the Year" for 2011 are now open. If you would like to nominate an editor for this award, please do so here. Voting will open on 22 January and run for seven days. Thanks! On behalf of the coordinators, Nick-D (talk) and Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 23:50, 15 January 2012 (UTC) You were sent this message because you are a listed as a member of the Military history WikiProject.

Re:Philippe Kahn[edit]

No, I never heard from him. I suspect he is either Kahn himself or someone closely associated with Kahn. He also reverted "POV" and "Like resume" tags with [this edit]—he often tags such edits as "minor", ignoring messages to "not remove this message until the dispute is resolved." I don't know what to do about it. We need to follow WP:BLP policy. Kahn, in my view, is most notable for Borland, but he wants to downplay that, and his Wikipedia page reflects that. He has implied that he did notable work on the Micral (at a very young age if born in '62!) yet I've seen no sources to support that (Talk:Micral). Harvard Business Review wrote about how he got Borland started on its path to success. Wbm1058 (talk) 22:58, 16 January 2012 (UTC)
I'll reply on your talkpage. Mojoworker (talk) 22:16, 20 January 2012 (UTC)


A notification that the Templates for Discussion discussion (oy, repetition) has been taken to a deletion review discussion. The Article Rescue Squadron was notified, and as notifications to previous involved parties isn't normal practise, I and a few ARS members agreed that, in the interests of transparency and fairness, we should let everyone know...hence this talkpage message ;).

If anyone has an issue with me sending these out, do drop me a note on my talkpage. Regards, Ironholds (talk) 10:31, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

here's a thought[edit]

Hey Ling, it's good to hear from you. Yes, that is on my list (as is the Third Battle of Dalton article). The MILHIST project is in the process of implementing A-List, B-List and C-List classes, so I've been waiting for a resolution of that initiative, since I think it would provide some guidance and allow incremental steps up to A-List before tackling the politics over at FLC. The article has been pretty stable, but last week I found a duplicate battle that we somehow missed, that was hiding in there all this time. As for the Third Battle of Dalton article we discussed previously, I have a copy of what you started, but I haven't tackled it yet — I'll see if I can move it up to a higher spot on my to-do list Face-smile.svg. I hope your visit is an extended one. Mojoworker (talk) 20:15, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
hey, can you verify the edits by EyesRed? Thanks!! Ling.Nut3 (talk) 13:06, 8 March 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, I was out of town and off Wiki. Looks like you've taken care of it. Mojoworker (talk) 20:16, 28 March 2012 (UTC)

Stop Threatening[edit]

I am appalled at what you left on my talk page. It is not clear whether it is 1962 or 1952. Here is a different reference.

Can you be so kind at to revert the content on my page and work in a civilized manner. If it can't be decided, it is best not to put a date I believe. What am I missing? HuskyMoon (talk) 08:43, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

And just what is it that you are appalled at? The warning messages I posted on your talk page are standard template warnings that can be found at WP:template_messages/User_talk_namespace. I posted them because you reverted Philippe Kahn's 1952 birth year to 1962 at least 7 times in the past year: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], with no explanation in the edit summaries nor on the article talk page, even when 1952 was properly referenced to reliable sources (and you also marked those changes as minor edits). Additionally, you ignored, and simply deleted, the messages when I and other editors tried to engage you in discussion on your talk page. You also refactored and deleted the comments of other editors on the article talk page. That sort of behavior looks like disruptive editing, even if that wasn't your intention. The original change from 1952 to 1962 on English Wikipedia was in the only edit ever made on Wikipedia by IP with this edit on 8 July 2009: [8] with an edit summary of "Typo correction". It's quite possible that this was sneaky vandalism, and now with your reverts, you've helped perpetuate the incorrect date so that it's been picked up by and Google, which are citing the 1962 date from the Wikipedia article on Philippe Kahn. Why do you think is a reliable source as defined by Wikipedia and 1962 is correct? You should read WP:RS and WP:V (and also WP:TPO while you're at it). There's no indication who published the material at, while the New York Times, CRN, Wired magazine, and other reliable sources all say 1952. Mojoworker (talk) 20:01, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Edit comments[edit]

Please be careful with your edit comments. You removed a citation needed tag without providing a citation, so I reverted it. I don't feel it's appropriate or civil to revert my edit and say that I'm lazy. You could have simply made another edit and provide the citations that you should have provided the first time. Don't get me wrong—I appreciate your edit! I care about lemur conservation, and I even wrote the article you linked to. However, I have a lot of work on my plate, and providing citations for editors who feel they don't need them is not my job. Also, don't worry... I hope to really spruce up that article before the end of the year. Best, – Maky « talk » 04:28, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry you interpreted that comment as being directed toward you – in reality, I was referring to myself. Yes, I agree, I should have provided the citations the first time – they were amply available in the article I wikilinked to. I was just being lazy, thus the comment. I do see how it could be misinterpreted, but please assume good faith. I reverted your edit since that was the most efficient way to restore the wikilink and remove the "citation needed" template so I could add the missing refs, which I did as part of that edit – I guess I was just being lazy again Face-smile.svg. But sometimes it makes sense to be lazy – it's hard to make a living on what Wikipedia pays us, so one needs to be efficient. Not a lot of room in the edit summary when using undo, but I guess I could've been more clear. Sorry for the misunderstanding. Mojoworker (talk) 06:08, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
No problem. Sorry for the lack of good faith. I've had some not-so-friendly encounters over the last few years, and often I feel like a lot of interactions on Wiki belong on a talk show or reality TV show. Anyway, keep up the good work. – Maky « talk » 14:21, 3 March 2012 (UTC)

Page Triage newsletter[edit]

Hey guys!

Thanks to all of you who have commented on the New Page Triage talkpage. If you haven't had a chance yet, check it out; we're discussing some pretty interesting ideas, both from the Foundation and the community, and moving towards implementing quite a few of them :).

In addition, on Tuesday 13th March, we're holding an office hours session in #wikimedia-office on IRC at 19:00 UTC (11am Pacific time). If you can make it, please do; we'll have a lot of stuff to show you and talk about, including (hopefully) a timetable of when we're planning to do what. If you can't come, for whatever reason, let me know on my talkpage and I'm happy to send you the logs so you can get an idea of what happened :). Regards, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 23:48, 8 March 2012 (UTC)

New Page Triage newsletter[edit]

Hey all!

Thanks to everyone who attended our first office hours session; the logs can be found here, if you missed it, and we should be holding a second one on Thursday, 22 March 2012 at 18:00 UTC in #wikimedia-office. I hope to see you all there :).

In the meantime, I have greatly expanded the details available at Wikipedia:New Page Triage: there's a lot more info about precisely what we're planning. If you have ideas, and they aren't listed there, bring them up and I'll pass them on to the developers for consideration in the second sprint. And if you know anyone who might be interested in contributing, send them there too!

Regards, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 00:20, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

help triage some feedback[edit]

Hey guys.

I appreciate this isn't quite what you signed up for, but I figured as people who are already pretty good at evaluating whether material is useful or not useful through Special:NewPages, you might be interested :). Over the last few months we've been developing the new Article Feedback Tool, which features a free text box. it is imperative that we work out in advance what proportion of feedback is useful or not so we can adjust the design accordingly and not overwhelm you with nonsense.

This is being done through the Feedback Evaluation System (FES), a tool that lets editors run through a stream of comments, selecting their value and viability, so we know what type of design should be promoted or avoided. We're about to start a new round of evaluations, beginning with an office hours session tomorrow at 18:00 UTC. If you'd like to help preemptively kill poor feedback, come along to #wikimedia-office and we'll show you how to use the tool. If you can't make it, send me an email at or drop a note on my talkpage, and I'm happy to give you a quick walkthrough in a one-on-one session :).

All the best, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 21:33, 20 March 2012 (UTC)



Hi, Mojoworker, welcome to the Article Rescue Squadron! We are a growing community of Wikipedia editors dedicated to identifying and rescuing articles and content that have been nominated for deletion. Every day hundreds of articles are deleted, many rightfully so. But many concern notable subjects and are poorly written, ergo fixable, and should not be deleted. We try to help these articles and content to quickly improve and address the concerns of why they are proposed for deletion. This covers a lot of ground and your help is appreciated!

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And once again — Welcome! Northamerica1000(talk) 18:06, 29 March 2012 (UTC)

A big NPT update[edit]

Hey! Big update on what the developers have been working on, and what is coming up:


  • Fixes for the "moved pages do not show up in Special:NewPages" and "pages created from redirects do not show up in Special:NewPages" bugs have been completed and signed off on. Unfortunately we won't be able to integrate them into the existing version, but they will be worked into the Page Triage interface.
  • Coding has been completed on three elements; the API for displaying metadata about the article in the "list view", the ability to keep the "patrol" button visible if you edit an article before patrolling it, and the automatic removal of deleted pages from the queue. All three are awaiting testing but otherwise complete.

All other elements are either undergoing research, or about to have development started. I appreciate this sounds like we've not got through much work, and truthfully we're a bit disappointed with it as well; we thought we'd be going at a faster pace :(. Unfortunately there seems to be some 24-72 hour bug sweeping the San Francisco office at the moment, and at one time or another we've had several devs out of it. It's kind of messed with workflow.

Stuff to look at

We've got a pair of new mockups to comment on that deal with the filtering mechanism; this is a slightly updated mockup of the list view, and this is what the filtering tab is going to look like. All thoughts, comments and suggestions welcome on the NPT talkpage :). I'd also like to thank the people who came to our last two office hours sessions; the logs will be shortly available here.

I've also just heard that the first functional prototype for enwiki will be deployed mid-April! Really, really stoked to see this happening :). We're finding out if we can stick something up a bit sooner on or something.

I appreciate there may be questions or suggestions where I've said "I'll find out and get back to you" and then, uh. not ;p. I sincerely apologise for that: things have been a bit hectic at this end over the last few weeks. But if you've got anything I've missed, drop me a line and I'll deal with it! Further questions or issues to the usual address. Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 17:05, 3 April 2012 (UTC)

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Would switching to semi-protected for the DSS article help a bit? Seems most of these era switches are done by fly-by-night IP users and not registered users. Seems to be an ongoing issue and the most common edit to the article these days. — al-Shimoni (talk) 03:51, 17 April 2012 (UTC)

It might be worth a try to have it semi-protected for a time—it may deter the era-warriors. If the activity resumes after protection expires, we can reexamine the situation. Do you want to request it or should I? Mojoworker (talk) 13:31, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
Although I know the process exists, I'm not certain on how the request process actually is performed; I've been editing for over four years, but have not gotten too far into the procedural workings. I would be interested to know, though. — al-Shimoni (talk) 14:59, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
There are two ways that I know of to request semi-protection—ask your favorite Admin, or request it at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection. It appears there's a backlog there however. Do you have an Admin that you've worked with in the past? That might be the best place to start. You can reference this conversation in the request if you think it makes sense. Or, if you prefer, I can make the request. Thanks. Mojoworker (talk) 15:14, 18 April 2012 (UTC)


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New Pages update[edit]

Hey Mojoworker :). A quick update on how things are going with the New Page Triage/New Pages Feed project. As the enwiki page notes, the project is divided into two chunks: the "list view" (essentially an updated version of Special:NewPages) and the "article view", a view you'll be presented with when you open up individual articles that contains a toolbar with lots of options to interact with the page - patrolling it, adding maintenance tags, nominating it for deletion, so on.

On the list view front, we're pretty much done! We tried deploying it to enwiki, in line with our Engagement Strategy on Wednesday, but ran into bugs and had to reschedule - the same happened on Thursday :(. We've queued a new deployment for Monday PST, and hopefully that one will go better. If it does, the software will be ready to play around with and test by the following week! :).

On the article view front, the developers are doing some fantastic work designing the toolbar, which we're calling the "curation bar"; you can see a mockup here. A stripped-down version of this should be ready to deploy fairly soon after the list view is; I'm afraid I don't have precise dates yet. When I have more info, or can unleash everyone to test the list view, I'll let you know :). As always, any questions to the talkpage for the project or mine. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 23:24, 5 May 2012 (UTC)


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New Page Triage prototype released[edit]

Hey Mojoworker! We've finally finished the NPT prototype and deployed it on enwiki. We'll be holding an office hours session on the 16th at 21:00 in #wikimedia-office to show it off, get feedback and plot future developments - hope to see you there! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 03:32, 13 May 2012 (UTC)

New Page Triage/New Pages Feed[edit]

Hey all :). A notification that the prototype for the New Pages Feed is now live on enwiki! We had to briefly take it down after an unfortunate bug started showing up, but it's now live and we will continue developing it on-site.

The page can be found at Special:NewPagesFeed. Please, please, please test it and tell us what you think! Note that as a prototype it will inevitably have bugs - if you find one not already mentioned at the talkpage, bring it up and I'm happy to carry it through to the devs. The same is true of any additions you can think of to the software, or any questions you might have - let me know and I'll respond.

Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 13:16, 22 May 2012 (UTC)

Counter-Vandalism Unit in the Signpost[edit]

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User:Scott Delaney[edit]

Changed his name, issues came up again, [9], I had to block an IP who got rude with him over tagging as well. Just keeping you in the loop. Just not much I can do at this point.

Thanks Dennis. I'll try to keep an eye on him. Mojoworker (talk) 19:07, 6 June 2012 (UTC)

I apologize for reverting edits that were constructive. I promise to be more careful from now on.--Scott Delaney (talk) 22:58, 6 June 2012 (UTC)


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Scott Delaney (talk) 00:41, 7 June 2012 (UTC) You will find there an Apology for All the vandalism mistakes I made.--Scott Delaney (talk) 00:43, 7 June 2012 (UTC)


I'm about to file something at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding our friend. Dennis Brown - © 03:14, 9 June 2012 (UTC)


I've added a plan at WP:AN#Disruptive Editing (CIR issue with) User:Scott Delaney that I think you will approve of. As before, it only requires you and I observe from a distance. It is a bit of a last chance, but perhaps it will work out well. Of course, we both hope so. Dennis Brown - © 23:12, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for keeping me in the loop. I saw this morning on the AN thread that he's only 14. That explains much. And i saw that Adjwilley accepted your call for a mentor – I considered it, but I'm busy writing a proposal, so haven't been doing much else today, and If I get the work, I may be scarce for a bit... I'm heading out the door, but I'll read your latest update when I get back. Mojoworker (talk) 23:24, 12 June 2012 (UTC)


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Military history coordinator election[edit]

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Page Curation update[edit]

Hey all :). We've just deployed another set of features for Page Curation. They include flyouts from the icons in Special:NewPagesFeed, showing who reviewed an article and when, a listing of this in the "info" flyout, and a general re-jigging of the info flyout - we've also fixed the weird bug with page_titles_having_underscores_instead_of_spaces in messages sent to talkpages, and introduced CSD logging! As always, these features will need some work - but any feedback would be most welcome.

This is not a newsletter[edit]

This is just a tribute.

Anyway. You're getting this note because you've participated in discussion and/or asked for updates to either the Article Feedback Tool or Page Curation. This isn't about either of those things, I'm afraid ;p. We've recently started working on yet another project: Echo, a notifications system to augment the watchlist. There's not much information at the moment, because we're still working out the scope and the concepts, but if you're interested in further updates you can sign up here.

In addition, we'll be holding an office hours session at 21:00 UTC on Wednesday, 14 November in #wikimedia-office - hope to see you all there :). I appreciate it's an annoying time for non-Europeans: if you're interested in chatting about the project but can't make it, give me a shout and I can set up another session if there's enough interest in one particular timezone or a skype call if there isn't. Thanks! Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 11:10, 10 November 2012 (UTC)

did you vote?[edit]

hi there, your vote in ArbCom elections triggered a spoof CSRF alarm. Would you be so kind as to please confirm that you actually voted? :) Apologies for the inconvenience. Pundit|utter 07:41, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I did vote for a small number of candidates - I think it was four in total. Mojoworker (talk) 14:50, 12 December 2012 (UTC)

Reminder: Snuggler IRC office hour - Friday, Jan. 4th[edit]

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An invitation for you![edit]

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Mind your accusations[edit]

Thanks for contributing a dose of reality but don't accuse "both" of edit warring only to revert back to my original on identical grounds of BRD... the user has reverted twice as many times and has yet to justify 1) their original revert and 2) subsequent edit... on grounds other than what they wish WP:ERA says.—Machine Elf 1735 19:36, 10 January 2013 (UTC)

Didn't mean to accuse you – just trying to be somewhat even–handed. Basically, just trying to get you guys to discuss things. Mojoworker (talk) 22:14, 10 January 2013 (UTC)
Foremost, I appreciate your participation... Perhaps you hadn't noticed that I did wait for the user to reply... their accusation of personal attacks, WP:IDHT and failure to self-revert leave nothing to the imagination. Please note that you incorporated a rather significant proportion of the contentious edits into your own revert, which nearly tips the balance... probably why the user has acquiesced for the time being. Also note that they've yet to make a case, per the current WP:ERA, that a History of physics article should use BC/AD... surely if either, is not the secular qualifier to be expected? Absent any rational ground on which the current consensus could be reversed, entertaining their request for a delay as ideal, merely invites further obfuscation and disruption.—Machine Elf 1735 01:44, 11 January 2013 (UTC)

Progress on WP:Snuggle and work log[edit]

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Pending release of Notifications[edit]

Hey Mojoworker :). I'm dropping you a note because you have signed up for the Notifications, or Echo, newsletter.

If all goes according to plan, we should be launching Echo on en-wiki either tomorrow, or next Tuesday - I'll drop a followup tomorrow when we know what's happening. Should the launch succeed, we'll begin the process of triaging bugs and gathering feedback on what features work, what cause problems, and what we should do next; I hope you'll help us out on these fronts by leaving any comments you might have on the talkpage.

Thanks, Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 22:04, 24 April 2013 (UTC)

Notifications box replacement prototypes released[edit]

Hey Mojoworker; Kaldari has finished scripting a set of potential replacements available to test and give feedback on. Please go to this thread for more detail on how to enable them. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 15:01, 7 May 2013 (UTC)


  • I put a different list up for flist just to see how things work there. We'll see how it goes. Cheers. • ServiceableVillain 09:12, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
Thanks, I'll take a look at the list you nominated. Mojoworker (talk) 04:30, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
    • Alas, I was rather curt when I was a FAC reviewer. And just as I feared, the FLIST reviewers have gathered their hurt feelings and spoken from them. My list will not pass. So, if the Civil War list is ever nominated, it would be best if my name were not on the nom, despite the nontrivial effort I have expended upon it. • ServiceableVillain 05:49, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
      • Unfortunate – not much feedback there. I'm going to be pretty busy for the next month, but after that I was thinking of asking MILHIST to do an A Class List review. I'll see if I can split out the casualty list before then...if no one beats me to it. Mojoworker (talk) 06:17, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
        • I didn't expect anything else. Well, maybe I had some small hopes, but only small ones. It does not matter. :-) I'm not going to engage in useless, protracted discussion.... As for the Civil war list, don't forget to add Dalton III some day soon. I may not be any help. I'm pretty busy. I am not doing anything on Wikipedia, no articles etc., and may drop off the radar completely again for a while. Good luck! • ServiceableVillain 06:23, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) My oppose has nothing to do with "hurt feelings", I didn't even know you'd reviewed any of my FACs? Perhaps it was with another account? The oppose has to do with my concerns that the list doesn't meet 3b. In all honesty, can you see the point of the main article, pretty much all of which is then repeated in the list article? That's what 3b is designed to avoid, particularly when the main article is barely a screen-length in size. And the opinion is of just one single editor (me, not "the FLIST reviewers" as you claim), we base our promotions on consensus, not one individual's opinion. If, User:ServiceableVillain, you're not going to try to work this through, I suggest you withdraw the nomination. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:51, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Ah. Of course I am willing to work with constructive comments. The examples I gave... should I look at the parent articles to see how tiny they are? The tingTings or whomever?... is that article large?... as for FAC, one reviewer at flist is the precise reason why I will never review at FAC again (well, him and the FAC delegate relevant to that thread). I also thought I remembered you from another time... but if not, then I am sorry. • ServiceableVillain 04:33, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
I've got no idea who you are or what your grievances in previous accounts have been. It's got nothing to do with me, nothing to do with FLC, nothing to do with nomination. I'm not sure how many times you need to be told that the Ting Tings discog was deemed to be a reasonable fork from the main Ting Tings article. Given the size of the main article, there is no need to fork out the list in the case of the Harmon award. One article with a list is perfectly adequate, see Sakharov Prize or 1st Academy Awards or PDSA Gold Medal.... These don't have a "list of x winners" and a main article of "x", because there's too much overlap and not enough to justify two articles. That's why we have 3b. The Rambling Man (talk) 15:15, 2 June 2013 (UTC)

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WP:Snuggle is live at[edit]

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Snuggle, the newcomer socialization tool I've been building, is finally ready for general use. All you need to do to get started is point your browser to Let me know if you run into any trouble. I'll be watching WT:Snuggle. Or you can also just contact me directly. Thanks for your patience.

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IRC office hours for wiki-mentors and Snuggle users[edit]

Hi. We're organizing an office hours session with the Teahouse to bring in mentors from across the wiki to try out Snuggle and discuss it's potential to support mentorship broadly. The Snuggle team would appreciate it if you would come and participate in the discussion. We'll be having it in #wikimedia-officeconnect on Wed. July 17th @ 1600 UTC. See the agenda for more info. --EpochFail(talkwork), Technical 13 (talk), TheOriginalSoni (talk) 18:30, 12 July 2013 (UTC)

Hi! I just wanted to post a reminder that this discussion will be happening in about 24 hours. If you haven't already used Snuggle, I recommend giving it a try before the meeting. I'll be in #wikimedia-officeconnect a half hour early to answer any questions you have. --EpochFail(talkwork) 15:50, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

Athollgoon: Redlinks and Regimental Articles[edit]

I have received notification of your message to Athollgoon concerning the redlinks in the American Civil War articles. Adamdaley (talk) 01:12, 16 July 2013 (UTC)

I am very sorry if I have caused any inconveniences. I would love to help out with creating Regimental Articles. I am new here, and would love to learn how to create articles. Could one of you please help me in doing this? Athollgoon (talk) 01:27, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
Sure, I'd be happy to help you. I'm pretty busy the rest of the week, but I should have some time next week. In the meantime, take a look at WP:Your first article, and WP:Article development, and take a look at some of the existing regimental articles as well, to get an idea of how they are structured. Most of them got their start with material from A Compendium of the War of the Rebellion by Frederick H. Dyer AKA Dyer's Compendium. Do you have any particular regiment in mind or a specific State or Territory? Let me know if you have any questions. Mojoworker (talk) 21:05, 17 July 2013 (UTC)
I would love to help create the 109th New York, because that was the regiment in which my relatives served. I would also like to help out with Pennsylvania and Missouri regiments. And editing the First Washington. Athollgoon (talk) 22:06, 17 July 2013 (UTC)


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WikiProject Military history coordinator election[edit]

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I'd forgotten about that conversation. It would seem though, that we have a different understanding of the results of the discussion. As I understand it, the England / Ireland / Scotland ensigns were to be replaced with the Union Flag and that the other flags would be the national flag, not the civil or maritime ensign. That is how the the table at Challengers and defenders is currently configured. Did we decide otherwise for the yacht articles?

Trappist the monk (talk) 10:45, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

I had noticed lots of America's Cup related editing recently, coinciding with the interest in the just–finished edition of the Cup. While examining some of them I noticed a discrepancy in how the ensigns were being handled in the individual yacht articles. For example, Sceptre (yacht) was using the red ensign, while Endeavour (yacht) was not. I noticed you created Sceptre on 26 April 2012. I looked a little further and noticed Alinghi using the Swiss maritime ensign and the Shamrock series (Shamrock (yacht), Shamrock IV, Shamrock V) were all using the red ensign. While (in addition to Endeavour, Galatea (yacht), Cambria (yacht), etc. were still using the England / Ireland / Scotland country flags.
So, remembering the discussion from that time, I went back and looked at it. There was a very clear consensus to use the UK flag – Mattlore's: "I think using UK and the home countries flags is confusing and we should pick either style and stick to it. Based on the argument above for Shamrock and the modern challenges I have been convinced during this argument that the UK flag is the appropriate one" and Nuttyrave's: "Irish, Scottish and English clubs all represented under the Union flag is the simplest way forward". And, while most of the discussion concerned the table in the America's Cup article (and I think we are all in agreement on the style in use there), there were some complaints about the civil ensigns being difficult to distinguish when they were small. I did notice a couple of references to the individual yacht articles: your "For the individual articles, I likewise agree that the appropriate flag template is {{flag|United Kingdom|civil|size=48px}}.  United Kingdom" and my quote (discussing the table and the individual articles) "I would vote to use the United Kingdom for all the UK challenges and the civil ensigns on the individual yacht pages where the icons are larger." I didn't see any dissension there, and seeing that you changed the table and some of the individual yacht articles in that time-frame, I assumed that you just forgot about changing the others. So I went ahead and made them all consistently maritime ensigns (and UK where appropriate).
Now it's possible I misinterpreted something in the discussion, but I just went back and read through it all again, and I'm still coming to the same conclusion. Let me know what you think I've missed there. Oh, and congratulations on your adminship. I have a script that highlights the admin signatures and noticed yours was highlighted. I went and looked at your RfA, and it looked pretty close – sorry I didn't see it earlier, or I would've supported you. Glad you made it anyway. For all the talk about the Admin bit being no big deal, it sure seems some people think it is a big deal. I mean really, what did the people who !voted against you expect that you would do – start blocking people willy nilly? There's too much immaturity around here sometimes... I'm sure you'll "grow into" the other admin duties if you ever have the inclination, but I'm sure the project will be just fine either way. Mojoworker (talk) 17:50, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
Thank you.
I think that the discussion worked because we were able to stay on track and decide the one issue and that was the flag icons in the Challengers and defenders table. Even though we mentioned the individual articles, I don't see them as part of the decision.
I suppose that the argument could be made that we should look at how flags and burgees are used throughout the whole range of America's Cup-related articles for reasons of consistency. If and when that happens, I'll be interested in participating.
Trappist the monk (talk) 23:29, 26 September 2013 (UTC)
I don't know which would be more correct – my goal was to make them consistent. It was my understanding that the reason for using the national flags instead of the ensigns in the table was because, at the small size used in the table it was easier to tell the difference between the UK, Australia, and New Zealand national flags than their ensigns, while that wasn't an issue at the 300px size used in the individual articles...
In any case, after making the England / Ireland / Scotland ensigns consistent with the other articles using the red ensign, there were only a handful of articles using national flags, so those were changed to be consistent with the other ensigns. Mojoworker (talk) 20:04, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

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I appreciate your comments, but don't they belong on my talk page rather than the article's? Instaurare (talk) 05:53, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Also, the accusations of the other editors are largely unfounded. See the edit history rather than the other editors' unsubstantiated, undiscussed claims. Instaurare (talk) 05:53, 29 October 2013 (UTC)
I was commenting on your editing of the McAuliffe‎ article – didn't look in depth at your edits at the Cuccinelli article, for example. Have you inserted similar criticisms there? Right or wrong, the other editors don't have the same clouded history that you do. Mojoworker (talk) 04:38, 30 October 2013 (UTC)

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Vandalism by tagger[edit]

My apologies: I misread what was going on and had no intention of accusing User:Mojoworker of vandalism. I was in the middle of reverting a ton of very bad deletions sparked by 777sms's very bad tagging, and by the time I reached the Little Rock campaignbox, I'd gotten to the point that I was deeply doubting 777sms's good faith. Your tag is completely different: I disagree with it, but I do not doubt your good faith. I disagree with the deletion on three counts: (1) Copyright. This is the situation in which {{Copied}} is appropriate for the talk page, and the source page may not be deleted because it serves to provide attribution. (2) Speedy deletion criteria. When we merge page1 to page2, we normally turn page1 into a redirect, and redirects aren't eligible for any of the template criteria. (3) Since it had been used for 2+ years, it's better to leave it a redirect than to delete it, since deletion hurts the appearance of old revisions of pages using the original template, and even ignoring my other two "counts", there's nothing harmful that would necessitate deletion, so I don't see why we absolutely need to delete it. Nyttend (talk) 23:13, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

@Nyttend:No problem. Thanks for the explanation. At the time, I wasn't sure which course of action made more sense. As I mentioned on your talk page, keeping it as a redirect might prevent someone from recreating the Campaignbox in the future, and as you point out preserves the history. On the other hand, the template was erroneously created with the wrong name by a problematic sock... That's why I consulted with Moonriddengirl. After giving it some more thought, I agree that the current state of the template (existing as a redirect) is better than it being deleted. Mojoworker (talk) 23:44, 21 December 2013 (UTC)

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The problem with undo ...[edit]

... is what if one part of the previous change was correct, and another part wrong, and simply undoing it in whole is just as bad as the previous change.

They did:

"South African Defence Force" -> "South African Defense Force"
"US Department of Defence" -> "US Department of Defense"

You reversed this to:

"South African Defense Force" -> "South African Defence Force"
"US Department of Defense" -> "US Department of Defence"

Now "South African Defense Force" is wrong, but so is "US Department of Defence". These are names and so not an WP:ENGVAR or WP:RETAIN matter. So who is winning here? :)

And, hey, I'm an ENGVAR nut (see recent edit - and yet even there it is unclear, as a Canadian First Nation organisation mentioned in the article has a name with 'organization' in it - confusing, and makes me nervous enough to go back and check again!) Shenme (talk) 05:01, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

Good catch. I didn't look at it closely enough. I had noticed the lede discussed Rhodesia and South Africa and so changed it back to British English (and the change I undid was linking to the redirect instead of South African Defence Force. I've changed the other one back to US Department of Defense. Mojoworker (talk) 05:24, 5 June 2014 (UTC)

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Hello. Was curious about where to post query regarding use of BCE/CE; BC/AD; BC/E AD/CE. Because in an article that uses BCE/CE (which isn't widely used), I tried to make adjustments and was reverted (it was all AD). Then thought I'd insert AD/CE. I don't presume that there are problems with that, is there? If so, where do I post to do a vote? Thanks for the input! (talk) 00:16, 30 September 2014 (UTC)Tom

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