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Sandbox invite[edit]

Anyone may play in my sandboxes, in the archive list to the right, IF you promise to behave. This means:

  • No kicking sand
  • No hitting other people over the head with toys
  • No pooping, even if you are a cat and neatly cover it up!
  • It's my sandbox, so I can throw you out if you misbehave!  :-)
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Before you post on my talk page (humor)[edit]

Happy Montanabw's Day![edit]

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User:Montanabw has been identified as an Awesome Wikipedian,
and therefore, I've officially declared today as Montanabw's day!
For being such a beautiful person and great Wikipedian,
enjoy being the Star of the day, dear Montanabw!

Peace,
Rlevse
01:39, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

A record of your Day will always be kept here.

For a userbox you can add to your userbox page, see User:Rlevse/Today/Happy Me Day! and my own userpage for a sample of how to use it. RlevseTalk 01:39, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Awww, gee! That was really super nice! Thank you! Montanabw(talk) 04:47, 13 January 2010 (UTC)
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'tis the season

Louisa Venable Kyle wrote a children's book on The Witch of Pungo --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:50, 31 October 2013 (UTC)
Precious translates to the PumpkinSky Prize, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 23:03, 27 March 2014 (UTC)


Equus[edit]

Hello, would you be interested in working on Equus for GA? LittleJerry (talk) 19:38, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

I'd be glad to collaborate, I'm not a taxonomy expert, you may also want to ping @Justlettersandnumbers: as he is someone who works on a lot of the articles about non-horse equines. Maybe figure out who is active on the zebra articles and ping them too. Montanabw(talk) 19:44, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
The hardest for me with be taxonomy/evolution. I've heard conflicting reports on whether zebras are monophyletic for example. LittleJerry (talk) 20:31, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
I'd say that Equus needs to be an overview, and the debates can go to the individual animal articles. Montanabw(talk) 20:58, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
I guess we could take some text from here. LittleJerry (talk) 21:49, 22 July 2014 (UTC)
Let's invite them too... maybe post a message at talk of that article. Montanabw(talk) 03:30, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
I found this. I'm having trouble figuring out the when the dates for the divergences of horse, zebra and ass lineages. LittleJerry (talk) 22:46, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm not much help there. Maybe post at Evolution of the horse and perhaps the individual talk pages of some of the more active editors. We need someone who know palentology, I think. Montanabw(talk) 04:24, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
Nevermind, I think I can handle it. Should I keep the list of all the extinct and extant species? I was think of instead having a cladogram. LittleJerry (talk) 22:54, 24 July 2014 (UTC)
@LittleJerry: What's a cladogram? I'd say so long as there is a "one stop shop" for all of them in some form, I'm not picky on what form, but keep some single collection of everything, somehow. There is also a navbox you might want to look at, see Template:Equidae_extinct_nav, and Template:Equus, which probably should be merged and definitely need some work. Montanabw(talk) 01:03, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
For a cladogram, see quagga and look at the evolution subsection. LittleJerry (talk) 01:18, 25 July 2014 (UTC)
Would you be able to look through the "biology" section so it reflects domestic and feral horses as well (e.g. mane and color in "Physical characteristics") and perhaps some on the conservation issues regarding feral populations? LittleJerry (talk) 21:59, 14 August 2014 (UTC)
Will take a look, Thanks for the ping. Montanabw(talk) 01:49, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Could you help with the other tasks? LittleJerry (talk) 20:27, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Conservation stuff? Which section do you want to pop that in? Montanabw(talk) 20:57, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
There's a conservation subsection in Human Relations. LittleJerry (talk) 23:22, 16 August 2014 (UTC)
Could you also fix the dead link? LittleJerry (talk) 00:36, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
for the "Primitive markings" source? LittleJerry (talk) 02:21, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Hello? LittleJerry (talk) 23:34, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Answered at the GAN talk. Also, tag anything you want me to eyeball either with an appropriate inline template or hidden text, will be easier for me to find. More later, I'll probably give this a couple hours this evening (local time) Montanabw(talk) 23:43, 18 August 2014 (UTC)

Pesky[edit]

My apologies for not spotting your response to my query about Pesky on Eric's talk page earlier. Please would you pass on my best wishes to her if/when you next meet up on Facebook or wherever. She has had a rough time lately. I'm sure I'm not the only one who misses her here but, more importantly, I think that she needs to know that people care. I do. . - Sitush (talk) 01:09, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

No worries, I'll let her know. Montanabw(talk) 01:57, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
Please include me, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:31, 9 August 2014 (UTC)
And me too, please. Thinking about her. She is missed. (Littleolive oil (talk) 18:19, 11 August 2014 (UTC))
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hope pictured --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:36, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Would you mind passing on my warm regards and best wishes? --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 11:47, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
Please give Pesky my love as well. Bishonen | talk 12:22, 4 September 2014 (UTC).

California Chrome[edit]

Thanks for the heads up. Read the latest product. It is better to focus on the horse. The Coburn's have obviously been filling in the blanks while the camera's are focused on them. They are precariously straddling the line between hyping their story and crossing over into the pool where untruths muddy the waters.

I suspect that much of it is already known to the media who are just waiting to film Coburn pass out with bourbon in hand. For instance, the Martin's never complained about their treatment at the Kentucky Derby. Don't know what was wrong with the Coburn's and why they generated such a story...except to keep focus on themselves. Churchill does have a long way to go in terms of physically challenged patrons and the use of volunteers but they have appeared to be trying to do the right thing. Then there is the issue of Coburn not wanting to sell his share of CC for six million for 51%. How could sell 51% when he owns 30%? I suspect that this is the major problem when citing interviews as sources followed by not checking the facts. It takes a lot of time and several different journalists to get at the truth after a poorly written article is based on skewed interviews. It seems to me that a lot of interesting things will come tumbling out in the future...if anyone will be interested at that time.

Loved your work and will try to follow your future projects.------greensodagal (talk) 04:57, 9 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks. I have to get two more people to approve the FAC (featured article candidate) before it gets its little gold star. Should be soon! Montanabw(talk) 05:03, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

You're not going to like this, but...[edit]

... they get everywhere... --Demiurge1000 (talk) 21:40, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh dear! LOL! Whatever shall we do? (wrings hands, looks distressed, trots off to the snarkives... ) heh, heh, heh! Montanabw(talk) 23:09, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thanks for your work on California Chrome, and congratulations on getting it through FAC. I am sorry I never made it back for another round of comments, but it looks like I wasn't needed. Keep up the great work, and God bless! Go Phightins! 21:52, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Well done!! Surprised I didn't hear about it this personally though! Did I piss you off with my review :-)♦ Dr. Blofeld 17:24, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh heavens, no! It was great! I just forgot to give you Carrots for your pony! My bad! Montanabw(talk) 18:11, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Your reversion of my edit on Yunnan horse[edit]

(diff) What was up with it? I've been squinting at my edit, but I'm still quite sure that I improved the grammar... ∴ ZX95 [discuss] 18:03, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

You wrote "...is an extinct breed horse" and you thought it was an improvement? A) it's not a "breed," it's a species (or maybe a subspecies, depending on what the taxonomy sorts are saying this week); B) It is extinct, and we use the past tense as it goes to the subject, not the modifier, e.g. "was a (x) horse" not "is extinct." C) Even if it was an extant breed, were we to keep your sentence, we would need to add "of." Montanabw(talk) 18:12, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
Okay, just making sure it wasn't a slip of the mouse or something. I can live with it either way :) Cheers, ∴ ZX95 [discuss] 13:54, 13 August 2014 (UTC)

Kelsang Jangdom[edit]

WP:BRAT[edit]

Varian brothers[edit]

Hello Montanabw,

Ansel Adams devoted three paragraphs to the Varians in his 1985 autobiography. The anecdote is on pages 140-141 of my paperback copy. Adams described an assignment from Life magazine to photograph "mad scientists". He describes the humorous aftermath, with people writing letters to the editor and to the Varians, trying to figure out what the experimental gear in the photos was. This may well be the photo session that is the source of the photos in your Wikipedia article. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:29, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

In 1963, Adams issued his fourth portfolio of photos, which was in memory of Russell Varian. Given that he had been a published photographer for over 40 years at this time, and this was only #4, you can see that a "portfolio" was a major artistic statement for him. He clearly valued his relationship with Russell greatly, and grieved his death. Original editions have sold for $53,775, per Christies Auction House. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 03:44, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Russell's wife Dorothy is mentioned twice in another book I own, "The History of the Sierra Club, 1892-1970", by Michael P. Cohen. She was a close associate of Dorothy Leonard, wife of Richard M. Leonard, whose biography I wrote. Richard was the attorney who organized Varian Associates, and was a director from the start. The two Dorothys worked together in a group called "Conservation Associates", which I gather was an independent group of wealthy folks closely associated with the Sierra Club, who wanted to act without submitting themselves to the discipline of a large, bureaucratic group like the club, and who favored cooperation rather than confrontation with industrialists like Pacific Gas & Electric. They bought up land that later became Point Reyes National Seashore, and also at Nipomo Dunes, near the planned site of the Diablo Canyon nuclear power plant. I believe that they were part of the "right" faction that ousted David Brower from Sierra Club leadership, and that Ansel Adams was also a key member of this faction. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:04, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Back in those days, the Sierra Club was a smaller and more intense and ingrown group, very influential, and the leading figures, many associated with UC Berkeley and Stanford University, were close social friends for decades, and tied in closely with leading academic, business and artistic circles in the San Francisco Bay Area. An article I wrote, Cedric Wright gives a glimpse into this social scene. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:15, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────@Cullen328: OMG! Your info would be a gold mine. Please (pretty please with lots of maple sugar on top!) feel free to trot over there (Russell and Sigurd Varian) and add anything to the article that you can source to any of your hardcopy books or other resources! I would really enjoy taking that article to GA or farther, and it works best when there is a collaborator (two heads are better than one!) Having just finished the FAC for Cal Chrome (see above) and finishing up the PR and polishing for my next FAC (Bazy Tankersley), I'm casting about for the next article to pop into the queue. I found working on those fellows to be absolutely fascinating - the dovetailing of radar and tech during WWII, combined with the birth of Silicon Valley coupled with a conservation ethic and a whiff of socialist idealism was an incredible mix. Amazing. FWIW, I got there after writing the BLP Sheila Varian - about their niece, whose horse ranch was, basically, bankrolled by "Aunt Dorothy" - then writing John Osborne Varian - about Russell and Sigurd's father. Positively amazing family. Montanabw(talk) 18:19, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Selle Français[edit]

Hi, could you take a look at my note on your nomination? Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 09:52, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

I didn't nominate it, but I will check it. Montanabw(talk) 18:23, 17 August 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Selle Français[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:03, 19 August 2014 (UTC)

August 2014[edit]

Information icon Thank you for your contributions to Wikipedia. Regarding your edits to California Chrome, it is recommended that you use the preview button before you save; this helps you find any errors you have made, reduces edit conflicts, and prevents clogging up recent changes and the page history. Tough choice: this template or a trout. Face-smile.svgS. Rich (talk) 03:55, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh for crying out loud, I just took the thing to FAC, didn't anyone tell you not to template the regulars? Montanabw(talk) 04:00, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Follow me to join the secret cabal!

Plip!


S. Rich (talk) 04:14, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

Ok, minnow. And back atcha Montanabw(talk) 04:15, 20 August 2014 (UTC)
Ha ha ha ha. Hysterical. Yeah, Montana, please be more careful in the future in taking articles to FAC. Thank you for your attention to this matter.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:17, 20 August 2014 (UTC)

The Shaggy Pony Award[edit]

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For the great research, great editing, and great fostering of the Featured Article on Soring—which must have left you pooped, isolated, and with no time for grooming...just like a pony in winter! - Tim1965 (talk) 02:11, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Thanks! Montanabw(talk) 03:03, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Yeah I reverted it before[edit]

Its fine now. Until tomorrow, when they do it again. They do it everyday at the same time, in the same order. VictoriaGrayson (talk) 07:09, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

First thing off at work? Or during breakfast? Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:16, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Like now. They are removing academic info.VictoriaGrayson (talk) 17:37, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Dorje Shugden controversy[edit]

Thanks for your thanks! The note I've inserted may be discutable, but the rest is careful copy-editing. And I'd already corretced the level of some subheaders two times; Vic reverted, without taking a proper look, and then you reverted too... Best regards, Joshua Jonathan -Let's talk! 07:15, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Somewhere in there another edit had deleted some of your stuff. Looks like it's the "clean" version now. Montanabw(talk) 07:21, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
Montanabw - what is it you prefer about the version you are reverting to over the version CFynn suggested that was supported by others, including myself? Audrey37 (talk) 21:30, 21 August 2014 (UTC)
The two should be blended. The version in there is awkwardly written, the proposed version is smoother but whitewashes legitimate controversy. Now please take this back to the article talk page. Montanabw(talk) 22:32, 21 August 2014 (UTC)

Congrats[edit]

On getting Horse Protection Act of 1970 on to the front page. As soon as I saw it I thought "I bet that's Montanabw's article". Bayern (horse) will definitely be due for an article if he overcomes Wicked Strong and Tonalist in the Travers. Tigerboy1966  12:37, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

I've already got my popcorn ready and a spot in front of the TV for that one! Montanabw(talk) 18:35, 23 August 2014 (UTC)

Notice of Neutral point of view noticeboard discussion[edit]

Hello, Montanabw. This message is being sent to inform you that there currently is a discussion at Wikipedia:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.VictoriaGrayson (talk) 00:13, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Equus (genus)[edit]

Is this jenny a hairy ass or mammoth ass?

Nice one! LOL just don't google image "Asian ass" or "Indian wild ass" without a filter though, it might turn up something which might be better suited to Bomis :-)♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:29, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

My humour is wasted on wikipedians!♦ Dr. Blofeld 12:44, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Oh, I get it, I was just offline for a bit... here I shall add a photo of a nice young lady donkey that exemplifies the hazards of which you speak! LOL! Montanabw(talk) 20:27, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

LOL!♦ Dr. Blofeld 09:45, 27 August 2014 (UTC)

A few weeks of relief[edit]

Well we have a few weeks protection for the horse worship article. Fall is already in the air here so I hope that you haven't had snow already :-) Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 05:05, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

What is up with the Brony thing there, anyway? Sheesh! Montanabw(talk) 05:07, 28 August 2014 (UTC)
Sadly it seems to be connected to this this obsession. Now I myself have been obsessed with Doctor Who for over 30 years but that doesn't compel me to add a link to it on unrelated articles. At least not yet. HeeHee. MarnetteD|Talk 20:07, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

Riding hall[edit]

Thank you for your amendments to riding hall. I appreciate your improvements. However, on the way you have made assumptions about UK English which are not quite true - the "arena" is the space inside the hall for the horses, not a US vs. UK term. And so far from "internationalizing" the article you have "Americanized" it with terms like bleachers and bathrooms. The article needs to be consistent and I agree international English is useful. There is also an article on sandwich panel. And draught netting is a translation of Windschutznetze - wind protection nets from the German Wiki article. Hope that helps. --Bermicourt (talk) 07:39, 28 August 2014 (UTC)

No, the term "riding hall" is never used in the USA (at least not to the best of my knowledge) We call these buildings "arenas" - meaning the whole structure, not just the riding ring. The sandwich panel article is so poorly written that I am not entirely sure what they are actually talking about... the panels or the structure holding them up? And I also have no clue what you mean by "wind protection nets"? Screens? Skylights? We are again separated by a common language... ! Montanabw(talk) 05:58, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
Skylight is the standard BE term for a window in a flat or sloping roof designed to let light into a room or attic. See them clearly in this in the image at File:Ujeżdżalnia wewnątrz.jpg. Bleacher is a strictly AE term only, very little known or understood in BE (if I hadn't written and published one of the few AE-BE dictionaries, I wouldn't have known what it referred to); nearest BE term would be stadium seating or spectator stands. 'Bathroom' (and for that matter also rest room) of course is completely wrong for international English. It's the AE euphemism for what all other English speaking countries know as a 'toilet'. Sandwich panel describes accurately what it is but the article needs some attention to decide whether it is supposed to be written in AE or BE (aluminium vs aluminum). --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 07:38, 29 August 2014 (UTC)
I know what a skylight is, that word is used both places. I don't think the walls of riding arenas/halls are made of sandwich panels... they are usually just steel siding. Its the "draught netting"/"wind protection screen" thing that is tripping things up now. Trot on over to the article (or piaffe if you wish) and help. Montanabw(talk) 13:51, 29 August 2014 (UTC)

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Great fun meeting you at last![edit]

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Great fun meeting you at last! Perhaps you'd like to polish up Emily E. Sloan, created just for you ... Monumenteer2014camper (talk) 17:26, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

Ansel Adams on Russell Varian[edit]

Hello Montanabw,

I have not forgotten your request regarding the Varians. One week ago, Napa and Vallejo, the cities where I spend most of my time, were hit by a 6.0 earthquake. It has been a sad situation filled also with inspiration. Today, my wife, son and I visited damaged historic buildings, and I photographed them for Wikimedia Commons. We stopped by an antique shop we've visited many times before, and they said 80% of their fragile items were destroyed. But not books. I found this, which I hope you can excerpt and use in some way:

WHAT MAJESTIC WORD

In memory of Russell Varian

BY

ANSEL ADAMS

PORTFOLIO FOUR

SIERRA CLUB * SAN FRANCISCO

1963

"The production of a Portfolio of creative photographs of the natural scene seemed from the start to be an appropriate expression of tribute and affecton for Russell Varian. The fact that original prints were considered gave a more intense validity to the project than would obtain from reproductions in a book, no matter how fine they might be. In addition, the excerpts from his writings, and the poetry of his father, John O. Varian, accentuate the highly personal character of this presentation.

In selecting from a considerable number of appropriate images the particular and inevitable photographs for inclusion in the Portfolio I was constantly aware of a man of great intellect and mystical perceptions. To him nature was a fundamental spiritual reality. He was not a place-gatherer, or a mountain-winner, or did he in any way approach the world as prey for egotistical conquest. His Irish forebears, his poet father, his exposure to the subtle beauty of dunes and forests as a youth, and his life-long love affair with the rocks, trees, clouds, lights and storms comprising the vast Divine Performance in which we live, accumulated in him a grandeur of spirit and a magnificence of mind and heart unique in our time.

Hence, every photograph in this Portfolio is related in some direct or indirect way to the places, things and moods Russell Varian loved. In some, the essences of light and space dominate; in others the substance of rock and wood, and the luminous insistence of growing things. Shapes of nature, transformed into what the artist calls forms by the controlled eye and the perceptive spirit, are presented here as the equivalents of experience. Obviously such equivalents could never be inclusive as the experiences are practically infinite. It is my intention to present -- through the medium of photography -- intuitive observations of the natural world which may have meaning to the spectators, just as they might have had meaning to him. And through them I hope that some of the quality, sensitivity and heart of Russell Varian may be revealed -- at least suggested to a world in need of the vast and patient benedictions of nature and the benefactions of noble men."

Carmel, California

October 1, 1963

Ansel Adams

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  • Oh wow! That's terrific stuff! Thanks! Montanabw(talk) 19:16, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner)[edit]

Dear Montanabw,

Thank you for the transfer of the data I had put in Intermezzo (Bruckner) before Nikkimaria blanked it to make a redirecting page. Thereafter she deleted some of the transferred data including the infobox.

Nikkimaria did also the same previously in Rondo in C minor (Bruckner). You had then restored the infobox, which she afterwards deleted again.

I do not understand why she deletes the infoboxes, as well as some of my other edits, which are all substantiated by reliable references (she also deletes), and which are in accordance with other pages I have created or updated concerning Anton Bruckner's compositions.

Please arbitrate, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 08:22, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

I'm not an admin, but you can try taking this to WP:3O. Nikki just seems to dislike infoboxes. Don't know why. Montanabw(talk) 08:28, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Some editors love inboxes. Other editors hate them. I take the NPOV. Why would anyone waste one single second arguing about infoboxes, either in favor or against? The debate isn't worth ten seconds to think about it, or the electrons required to comment. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 08:43, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes, why. When an editor inserts an infobox or two in "his" article", why would anyone remove it, go and write a separate article on part of the topic, almost as only to have an infobox-free article? Why? Why? What Montanabw said below. Other than such things, I didn't observe any debate recently, did you? Instead I see with pleasure that operas now come with infoboxes which show off the piece instead the composer and his other works, see Carmen and Louise, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:20, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
I think That the infobox is interesting in the case of Bruckner's compositions, because a lot of them either exist in several versions and editions, or were not published / performed during the composer's life, even were published / performed first at the end of the 20th century, i.e., about 100 year after the composer's death. Examples: Psalm 146 (Bruckner), String Quartet (Bruckner). --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 15:52, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Well, here we have the article creator inserting an infobox from the outset, then another editor coming in and removing it, along with some sourced material. NM is kind of known for doing this, and this user here is not one of the "usual suspects." Montanabw(talk) 09:18, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for putting again the infobox of Rondo in C minor (Bruckner). I do not want to dispute. Some references that Nikkimaria uses as, e.g., those from AllMusic she found on Internet are perhaps less opportune than some of my references as e.g. that to the anthology of C. van Zwoll (that she removed), a book of 782 pages on Anton Bruckner and his work. Van Zwol devoted 20 years of his life to the composer and was regularly in touch with scholars as Leopold Nowak (editor of many Bruckner's works). --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:35, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Say so at the talk page of the article, Meneerke. Discussion never hurts. Doesn't always help, but so long as everyone stays civil, it is useful/ Montanabw(talk) 18:23, 6 September 2014 (UTC)
Thanks for your help. I will do so. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:10, 6 September 2014 (UTC)

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Talk:Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner)[edit]

Dear Montanabw,

Thank you for your support. On Talk:Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner), you can see that I have put a similar argumentation as that I have put on Talk:Rondo in C minor (Bruckner). Is it OK for you?

Best regards, --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 11:52, 7 September 2014 (UTC)

For your info: Hans Roelofs, who is responsible for the discography of Bruckner's non-orchestral works, has in the meantime had an independent look on the pages String Quartet (Bruckner), Rondo in C minor (Bruckner), String Quintet (Bruckner) and Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner). He thereafter e-mailed the following reaction to me: "Wanneer iemand zoals jij, die je sporen al bij Wikipedia heeft verdiend, dan een lemma schrijft over een onderwerp dat relevant is en binnen het Wikipedia-Bruckner-concept past, heeft dan iemand anders het recht dat tegen te houden? Wordt die betreffende user door de redactie gewaarschuwd?" (Translation: "When someone like you, who has already won his spurs by Wikipedia, writes a lemma which is relevant and suits the Wikipedia-Bruckner-concept, has someone else the right to hold it? Has the concerned user got a warning from the Wikipedia redaction?"). --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 13:31, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Put it on the talk page of the article. I don't have a lot of classical music "stalkers" on my page, and you need some more support than just me. Montanabw(talk) 20:42, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Put it on the project talk, with links to the articles involved. (The link to the project is on my user page, although I left it, look for Workshop.) The newly created article will have even fewer watchers than this page ;) - Of course, there is no Wikipedia redaction, so no warning from it. There were other warnings, though, which I still hope I will not have to repeat, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:07, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Gerda, give Meneerke the link to the right page, I think he's kind of new. Montanabw(talk) 21:13, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music, but what do you mean, "new"? THE precious Bruckner expert here for years, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:20, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Heh, new to me! Montanabw(talk) 21:23, 7 September 2014 (UTC)
Dear Montanabw and Gerda,
Thank you for your support. As you have proposed, I have put a message on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music#Please arbitrate. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 09:32, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
As suggested by Francis Schonken I have put a Requests for mediation: Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Rondo in C minor (Bruckner) and Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner)‎. Is this the right decision? You do not think so... You propose to get the advice of editors with a classical music background, but I do not think that there are many Wikipedia-specialists of Anton Bruckner. There is one for sure: Artiumbremen alias Benjamin-Gunnar Cohrs. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 19:54, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
PS: When the WikiProject Classical music decided to set up the List of compositions by Anton Bruckner I was asked to participate as Bruckner-specialist. --Réginald alias Meneerke bloem (To reply) 20:28, 8 September 2014 (UTC)
Given who your "opposing party" is, you may be right. Montanabw(talk) 22:11, 8 September 2014 (UTC)

Bruckner mediation[edit]

Meneerke bloem suggested I invite you to paricipate in Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/Rondo in C minor (Bruckner) and Intermezzo in D minor (Bruckner)

FYI, reformatting Meneerke bloem's initial mediation request according to the required template automatically made me an involved party, although I have no conflict either way with any of the other involved parties, not on the topic of this mediation, nor in any other way. This makes my understanding of the matters at hand rather low (I expressed my desinterestedness at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Classical music#Please mediate). So a helping hand may be welcome for the mediation? --Francis Schonken (talk) 09:00, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Beneful[edit]

I noticed that you were active in WikiProject Veterinary medicine and was wondering if you could take a look at a draft article I produced and shared here on a page where I have a COI. In particular, the second paragraph of the History section of the my draft is regarding a veterinary-type issue where my COI seems particularly relevant. I felt the lean in the draft towards the food not being contaminated was appropriate based on comments from vets and the FDA, but it's possible I have a skewed perspective and would appreciate a second look if you have time. CorporateM (Talk) 14:25, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

Gender Gap case request comment[edit]

I was intrigued by your comment at the current case request, because, while I am unable to work on it for a few days at least, I am mulling over an essay I hope to write, tentatively titled "Time and Place"--S Philbrick(Talk) 23:01, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

"Bad facts make bad law" and "issue not yet ripe for resolution" are legal concepts you may want to review. Montanabw(talk) 23:17, 9 September 2014 (UTC)
There's less than meets the eye in the requested case. Montanabw's comments were apt and succinct. SPECIFICO talk 23:20, 9 September 2014 (UTC)

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Is there enough information out there about the concept of "asil" to create an article, even a short one? -Niceguyedc Go Huskies! 09:28, 12 September 2014 (UTC)

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Moving Montana Vigilantes[edit]

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@Mike Cline:, a lot of "the other stuff" doesn't deserve to be called "vigilantism" (i.e. Frank Little, etc.) Those were mob lynchings. That's the stuff the needs a spinoff, not the actual mainstream period. Much as I have my issues with the over-heroicizing of the Vigilantes (no doubt in part because I must endure a two-hour annual high school skip day parade every year honoring them, which ties up downtown traffic for almost the entire afternoon... sigh), the 1863-1889 period was what it was all about. Montanabw(talk) 21:08, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

I will expect you to defend the article against the addition of any of the statehood period crap when the opportunity presents itself. --Mike Cline (talk) 21:16, 15 September 2014 (UTC)
It all depends on your definition of "crap," but if we agree that something is "crap" then yes, it's fair enough that I assist in maintaining whatever I had a hand in creating. Montanabw(talk) 21:45, 15 September 2014 (UTC)