User talk:Moorlock

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Welcome![edit]

Hi Moorlock, and a warm welcome to Wikipedia! I hope you have enjoyed editing as much as I did so far and decide to stay. Unfamiliar with the features and workings of Wikipedia? Don't fret! Be Bold! Here's some good links for your reference and that'll get you started in no time!

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- Mailer Diablo 02:00, 22 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Copyright[edit]

Hi, welcome and thank you for your contributions but please don't submit material lifted from copyrighted sources. Those edits will have to be reverted.

Regards, Lotsofissues 07:04, 10 May 2005 (UTC) ›››Leave Me a Message‹‹‹

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I found a webpage that contained the same text - it must be your page?

Regards, Lotsofissues 18:19, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Tax resistance[edit]

Hi. I just wanted to thank you for the excellent work you've done to improve the Tax resistance article. Cheers! -- BD2412 talk June 28, 2005 18:15 (UTC)

Hello. I noticed that you've created a number of articles on various tax resistors. Do you think you could expand them to include a mention of why they are notable for doing so, as I don't know that just refusing to pay taxes, even for moral reasons, automatically makes someone notable. Thanks --Icelight 19:29, August 2, 2005 (UTC)

Excellent! That's really all I wanted to make sure of. If you have one or two primary sources that you're working from that are accesible online, I'd be glad to help. --Icelight 00:41, August 3, 2005 (UTC)

You just put Sally Belfrage in Category:Tax resisters. This isn't mentioned in her article, and I didn't know about it previously. Where have you verified this? --Ashawley 15:03, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Hello. Can I ask what your source is that Mary Russell, Duchess of Bedford was a tax resistor, please? Thanks Craigy (talk) 20:28, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Hello. May I ask your source re: tax resistance, regarding my father, Robert Claiborne? Thanks.

Nuwaubianism[edit]

Nice articles. I did a few minor format changes and made a category to group them all under. Are you a researcher on such organizations, or were you at one time involved with them? (I've known several Nuwaubians, and almost became one myself) --FuriousFreddy 14:58, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Whether or not York raped those kids is something I'll never be sure of (I never met him, so I don't have any sort of character judgement ot make). But the Nuwaubians that I did meet were some of the nicest people that I've known (except for when I and some others couldn't afford to pay $100 a month--we were college students!-- and the classes stopped), even if some of the beliefs were a bit unusual. They started holding classes among my college friends when were all 19, and I guess me being a insecure and (admittedly) somewhat gullible teenager, I started going too. --FuriousFreddy 16:30, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

I'd like to know what Nuwaubian books if any Moorlock you actually do own. It appears most of the work you've created for this article is coming from user created websites which are notoriously errant. Nuwaubian Hotep 16:54, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Re: [sic][edit]

Moorlock wrote:

Please do not correct misspellings in quoted material when those misspellings are marked with "[sic]," for instance, in the Nuwaubianism page, which you have incorrectly corrected three times now. -Moorlock 19:13, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh dear. I am terribly sorry about this. I do occasionally fail to notice things like this at first, and have to go back and revert myself, but I really should have noticed this by the third time. If anything else, I should have remembered that I had already edited the page twice before, also the [sic] is clearly visible next to the word. Having made more than 5000 corrections of this type – 99.9% of which are hopefully useful – I sometimes get into the habit of not always reading everything through properly before I change it. I add all the pages that I change to my watchlist, which I do occasionally scan for reversions of my edits, but unfortunately this plan has backfired somewhat as there are now over 5000 pages on there, and it's difficult to pick out anything useful from the mass of unrelated changes.

Once again, my apologies for the annoyance I have caused, and thanks for reverting my changes. To be on the safe side I have made a note of Nuwaubianism and not to change it for this word; I will take extra care if it comes up in other searches -- Gurch 20:34, 7 March 2006 (UTC) MOorlock Information should not be relied on, if he really Thinks Dwight York, Started the Yamassee Native Americans over 400 years ago. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.62.46.153 (talk) 03:42, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

Sic[edit]

Please do not correct spelling errors in quoted material when the spelling errors are marked with "[sic]", as you did recently on the Dwight York page.

I apologise for the inconvenience. Welcome to wikipedia. May I suggest you put the quotes around the quoted passages (using two apostrophes '' at either end) so that it comes out in italics as quoted text. ॐ Metta Bubble puff 21:42, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

From the Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style:

Quotations
There is normally no need to put quotations in italics unless the material would otherwise call for italics (emphasis, use of non-English words, etc.). Indicate whether using the italics in the original text or whether they were added later.

-Moorlock 22:07, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Also, why have you linked the sic? It's not relevant to the content of the article. ॐ Metta Bubble puff 06:16, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
I link it because some folks don't know what it means. It's just obscure enough that a clarifying link might be helpful. Judgement call. A good argument could be made against linking it. -Moorlock 06:22, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
Maybe we could phrase an introduction to the quotation text so that it isn't confusing? We shouldn't be linking editorial comments. My mistake was more because I was doing 100 edits in a 5 minute, than because I don't know the meaning of sic. Also, if you're having this problem regularly with people editing something that needs to stay (which it seems you are), you can put an html comment into the text so that a message shows up when someone goes to correct the edit. Something along the lines of <!-- MISSPELLING INTENDEED, PLEASE LEAVE -->. Is that helpful? Peace. ॐ Metta Bubble puff 06:40, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

valid reasons for reversion[edit]

At tax avoidance I edited and, I think, improved the article. My edit was reverted without explanation, anonymously. Did you agree with that reversion? My edit was then reinstated with the comment "rv vandalism". You undid this reinstatement of my edit with the explanation that you disagreed or did not understand the reason for the edit. I suggest that what needs to be judged is the quality of the edit, not the reason given for it. The aim is to improve the quality of then encyclopedia. I'm sure you agree. So, please explain why the version you re-introduced, the one prior to my edit, is better than my version. In the interim I am reinstating my edit. Paul Beardsell 08:10, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

frank chu[edit]

can you email me the resume? I can't get it. mailinator711@yahoo.com Scratch that, i got it.--Muchosucko 21:37, 7 April 2006 (UTC)

Zangwill in Women's Tax Resistance League?[edit]

Hi Moorlock, I made a quick search and found [1] which mentions "Mrs. Israel Zangwill". Our article is about a Mr. Israel Zangwill, so some verification/proof would be very much appreciated. Thank you, colleague. ←Humus sapiens ну? 01:35, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

my bad -Moorlock 02:12, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar[edit]

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This is in recognition of your effort and good work in the areas of tax resistance and war & peace tax issues. JonHarder 01:02, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Template:Anti-war topics up for deletion[edit]

Template:Anti-war topics is up for deletion. Please weigh in on the discussion. Thanks! SchuminWeb (Talk) 09:36, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Hi Matt, sweet picture of Frank Chu, I would recommend you update the picture page with the date and time the pict was taken I assume it was bay to breakers 2006 in Alamo square if this is correct it would be cool if your picture had the facts. Date, time, place - cheers --Paul E. Ester 04:08, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Talk:Boston Tea Party[edit]

Howdy, I noticed that you and I seem to post in one or two articles dealing with progressive issues in political science/sociology. There's currently a debate beginning in Boston Tea Party as to whether the article should include the category [2]. It meets definitions set in the articles Terrorism and Definition of terrorism, however, there are several self-proclaimed patriots who watch BTP who refuse to recognise the fact. The simple criteria for terrorism generally seem to be intimidation or destruction of property in order to change public policy or public opinion while a state of war has not yet been declared. Some users would rather use recent acts of terrorism as a yardstick, rather than using a firm definition, and hence lose their ability to discuss matters calmly. Would you be able to pop in to the Talk page and join in the discussion? Thanks much, samwaltz 05:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

{{Thoreauviana}}[edit]

Nice job on the template! I made the image smaller and the text bigger (I hope you don't mind) so it's less intrusive. Why is it called Thoreauviana though? -- Chrissperanza! chat edits 16:34, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Edit summary[edit]

I have noted that you often edit without an edit summary. Please do your best to always fill in the summary field. This is considered an important guideline in Wikipedia. Even a short summary is better than no summary. An edit summary is even more important if you delete any text; otherwise, people may think you're being sneaky. Also, mentioning one change but not another one can be misleading to someone who finds the other one more important; add "and misc." to cover the other change(s). Thanks! — Sebastian 02:24, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Reckless robot editing[edit]

You've twice now edited Nuwaubianism to change "oftentimes" to "often" in quoted text from a source in a footnote. Please do not make stylistic, grammar, and other such changes to direct quotes. If you're going to use a robot to make vast changes for style, spelling, grammar, and such, you need to verify by inspection that these changes are correct and appropriate. -Moorlock 03:17, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Hi Moorlock. My apologies for changing the quoted text. I do in fact inspect the changes my bot makes before approving them, it's just in this case I slipped up (twice!) and didn't notice that it was modifying quoted material. I might note that I've changed oftentimes to often in >500 articles (and specifically left it alone in a number of others where I saw it was inappropriate to change it), and only got one complaint so far, so I don't think that's too bad a track record. Perfection would be nice, of course, but I'm afraid I'm only human. In any event, I've made note of this exception in my bot and it won't happen again. Cheers, CmdrObot 19:47, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Merge[edit]

Moorlock, Thanks for your comments on Talk:IRS Volunteer Income Tax Assistance Program. However, you only answered one piece of the suggestion. The main point was to merge all the U.S. tax form articles. Perhaps I should have picked a better talk page. The VITA was sort of a additional one I added in last minute as it seemed to relate. I wanted to ask that you take another look and add your support or opposition to merging the U.S. tax forms such as Form 2553, Form 2555, Form W-4, Form W-8BEN, Form W-9, Form 1040EZ, Form 1040A, Form 1040X, Form 1040 into Tax forms in the United States. Thanks Morphh (talk) 13:42, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Dwight York[edit]

Why did you take down my section on whether or not Dwight York was guilty? The cites were valid and the info was true.

The information in the section you added was inaccurate (as I indicated in the "edit summary" when I reverted your edit). If the wording were more accurate and precise, it could be a useful addition. -Moorlock 23:35, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Civil Disobedience[edit]

Touche. My poor spelling was only reinforced by the redirect for the spelling-impaired. Since the influence of the essay forms a large part of the article, I think it should be noted in the lead; but I'll defer to your judgement. Regards, Venicemenace 00:57, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Beit Sahour[edit]

Could you please reproduce the section you are referencing in this edit. Specifically, I'm concerned about some of the details: did they cut all telephone communication? who were the 40, were they selected at random? From whom was money or goods taken, etc. Many thanks, TewfikTalk 03:28, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

I understand that it could be tiresome to reproduce the text. Perhaps you could just clarify the points above that you are basing the statements on and/or provide specific page numbers for the cited statements? Thank you, TewfikTalk 16:50, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
Again, I'd very much appreciate if you could provide specific page numbers for the statements and/or quote the relevant lines. Thank you, TewfikTalk 22:03, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
I never asked you to type the section by hand. I made a perfectly reasonable and polite request for either the specific line/s, or their page numbers. TewfikTalk 00:04, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

I know exactly where the document is located. I want to know what the page numbers for the assertions are. TewfikTalk 00:35, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Walter Lowenfels[edit]

I noticed you added Category:American tax resisters to the Walter Lowenfels article. Could you tell me your reasons for doing so? The article is just a stub at the moment, but there is nothing at all about his (supposed) tax resistance. Could you point me to your source for including Lowenfels in this category? Thanks -- hibou 07:56, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Zinn article[edit]

You wrote:

Zinn co-signed a declaration of tax resistance in 1968)

Would you cite a source for this information?

Thanks!

Skywriter 18:36, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you for responding.

you wrote:

Howard Zinn & tax resistance
Cite: “Writers and Editors War Tax Protest” January 30, 1968 New York Post (also published elsewhere) -Moorlock :18:56, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

I appreciate your enthusiasm for tax resistance but do not believe one incident nearly 40 years ago qualifies for inclusion in the category of tax resistance. Tax resistance is not something he has advocated over the years, or do you have evidence of the opposite.

Best regards,

Skywriter 21:09, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

you wrote:

The category is "American tax resisters" and is meant to include those people who have practiced the tactic of :tax resistance, without regard to how long ago or how many "incidents". (And anyway, he's not averse to putting :in an occasional plug for Thoreauvian tax :resistance even today.) -Moorlock 00:52, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Great! That works for me. Fresh as the morning muffins. Thanks. I will place your link on the Zinn talk page for reference. Skywriter 03:54, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Orville Schell[edit]

Hi -- I removed your newly added Category:American tax resisters from the Orville Schell entry because it's not cited and I couldn't find any authority for it in a quick google search. I do see that there is an author, Jonathan Schell, who advocates withholding taxes in protest of American war efforts, so perhaps you're thinking of him. Feel free to add it back if O.S. is really a tax resister or advocate but if you could, please add a little content on that and a reference. If it's really J.S. that would be interesting too. Thanks. Wikidemo 04:46, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

James Crumley[edit]

Thank you pointing out my clear error in overlooking the reference to Crumley's tax resistance in the text. I didn't recall it being there when I had edited the article in the past, and didn't see it on a quick read now. My apologies for the reversion. Ed Fitzgerald (unfutz) (talk/cont) 23:00, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Image:FitzHughLudlow.gif listed for deletion[edit]

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Quotes[edit]

Re: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Render_unto_Caesar...&diff=90335442&oldid=90334617

No, IMHO, curly quotes do not look nicer, and I went to a great deal of trouble to remove the blasted things. *sigh* Mdotley 02:21, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

eserver.org reverting[edit]

Please stop reverting the eserver.org linkspam I keep deleting. This has been thoroughly discussed at WPSPAM and COIN. (Requestion 03:09, 21 June 2007 (UTC))

You will be templated if you revert my eserver.org spam deletions. I will give you a moment to undo your reverts. Take this up with WPSPAM and COIN if you have a problem. Besides, 9 eserver.org links on the Henry David Thoreau article is excessive. (Requestion 04:04, 21 June 2007 (UTC))

I agree with your concern about Requestion's mass deletion of apparently useful links (see my comments at User talk:Requestion). Thanks for speaking up about it. -- Rbellin|Talk 04:51, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry Rbellin but you are wrong. This spam removal is justified and sanctioned. I really don't want to see either of you blocked, so can please stop the reverting? (Requestion 20:48, 25 June 2007 (UTC))

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From the Wikipedia:External_links policy:

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Some external links are welcome [such as]....

  • Sites that contain neutral and accurate material that cannot be integrated into the Wikipedia article due to copyright issues, amount of detail (such as professional athlete statistics, movie or television credits, interview transcripts, or online textbooks) or other reasons.
  • Sites with other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article, such as reviews and interviews.
  • ...
  • For albums, movies, books, and other creative works, links to professional reviews.

The links you have been removing fit this category and do not fit the "Links normally to be avoided" category at all. For instance, you have been removing from the Slavery in Massachusetts page a link to Editorial Savoir Faire: Thoreau Transforms His Journal into “Slavery in Massachusetts”, a scholarly article describing in detail how Henry David Thoreau transformed the content of his journal into the essay that is the topic of the Wikipedia page in question. This cannot be justified under any of the guidelines on the Wikipedia External Links policy page. Please stop overzealously removing useful external links that fit Wikipedia's policy. -Moorlock 00:05, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

In response to your message on my Talk page: I don't think "vandal" is the right word for what User:Requestion is doing, and I'd like to be careful to assume the good faith of Requestion's edits. But your message just above is completely in the right, and I am similarly frustrated by Requestion's complete non-responsiveness to reasonable concerns about these deletions, and especially by the curt, officious and even borderline threatening responses to our comments ("I really don't want to see either of you blocked," and the inappropriate use of the spam warning template above, both seem like attempts to intimidate rather than resolve disagreement to me). The next reasonable step would be either to leave a brief note explaining the problem at WP:ANI or to begin an RfC proceeding on Requestion, and if you do either one of these you'll have my support. I don't have time to do much work on this, and I usually try to stay clear of Wikipedia proceduralism, so I can't promise much substantial comment, though. (If you do this, be careful not to exaggerate your complaint or drop words like "vandal" too lightly, but instead provide example diffs for specific cases of Requestion's inappropriate behavior so that the people who review your complaint will see the problem for themselves.) -- Rbellin|Talk 02:50, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
I'm being honest when I said that I don't want to see either of you blocked. Why can't you stop the blanket reverting? You need to understand all that I do is Wikipedia proceduralism and this is a justified maintenance operation. Thanks for the ANI report and thank you for calling me a vandal. (Requestion 17:40, 26 June 2007 (UTC))

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Once again, Requestion, it's completely inappropriate to use a spam warning template here. You may disagree with Moorlock, and both of you may be repeatedly reverting each other, but neither one of you is spamming. -- Rbellin|Talk 19:30, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Ironic vs significant[edit]

If ironic is too leading, "perhaps significant" is far too vague. Let us say exactly what we intend, or take it out. Mdotley 17:55, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

In the first place, if Jesus was opposed to the use of money, Judas would not have been carrying any on his group's behalf. In the second place, the passage never says he isn't carrying any money, (that's merely an inference from the fact that he asks for someone else to show one), and in the third place, "perhaps significant" statements don't belong in an encyclopedia. We should either explain it or drop it, which I will do, if you don't object. Mdotley 20:01, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

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Dorothy Sterling[edit]

Hi there, Moorlock, As soon as I spotted Category:American tax resisters on Dorothy Sterling's article, I had a darn good idea who must have added it. :) Would you please be good enough to add a sentence to the article concisely explaining the facts regarding her having been a tax resister? Categories should always be supported in the text of articles. By the way, in the article about Abby Kelley (the subject of one of Sterling's books), I just added links to two terms that have articles: No taxation without representation and tax resistance. Thought you'd like to know! Cgingold 12:31, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Fred J. Cook Tax resister[edit]

I noticed you put Fred J. Cook in the category Tax resisters but I went back to his autobiography and read some other articles and I can't find anything about tax resisting. There are several Fred Cooks. Are you sure you meant Fred J. Cook? Thanks Garnetpoint 02:25, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

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Curse of Canaan[edit]

The Nuwaubic reference was removed Dec 27. Just a heads up Nuwaubian Hotep (talk) 21:55, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

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Talk:Render unto Caesar...[edit]

ADM, before you go deleting big hunks of the page wholesale, please discuss your proposed changes here. Your "Religious views on tax resistance" page might be a good idea, and might well absorb some of the content on this page, but I'm not convinced of the wisdom of how you divided it up and I think it needs more thought. Have you looked into Robert McGee's cross-cultural/cross-religious studies of attitudes toward tax paying and tax resistance? That might help you expand your new page beyond its current Christian-only focus. — (talk) 16:57, 7 August 2009 (UTC)

I could expand it, it would not really be very hard to go beyond Christian perspectives. My point though is that it is wrong that the phrase render unto Caesar be understood exclusively in terms of tax resistance, because it is more than just that, it notably includes the concepts of civil allegiance, Church-State separation and political neutrality.
The part about resisting taxes is also fairly irrelevant to the Caesar article because the vast majority of Christians throughout history have accepted not what their own consciences tell them, like what the libertarians do, but what the Church teaches. The global Church has always supported paying taxes, because that's the majority position, and that's why most people have continued to pay taxes.
ADM (talk) 23:30, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
I don't think there is such thing as "The global Church," and various Christian denominations have a variety of teachings about what constitutes a legitimate taxing authority, what taxes are legitimate, and when the obligation to pay a tax might be overridden by another obligation. Some, like the Mormons, tend to support tax-paying no matter what; while others, like the Mennonites & Quakers, believe that Christians must carefully weigh conflicting obligations before voluntarily submitting to taxation. This article tries, in part, to show how different Christians and different denominations have reconciled their understanding of Christian duties about taxation with this particular biblical episode. Please refrain from mass-deletions like the ones you have recently made. - (talk) 01:25, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm excluding small sects and cults from my methodology, because those groups are the most likely to literally become outlawed in the real world, outside small rural regions of the United States, which is the only place where their views are given de facto attention. Also, I would like to add that if you don't like the article religious views on tax resistance, then you should propose it for deletion, because it is simply intolerable to have the same exact text in two separate entries. If you don't want it deleted, then you should accept the principle that the text should not be at two places at the same time. ADM (talk) 02:47, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
Your methodology? Quakers and Mennonites being small sects and cults unworthy of interest? Whatever. If your new page does end up just being a duplication of the bulk of another page then, yeah, it probably should be axed. I was hoping you were just planning to use that information to get you started on something more substantial. I wish you luck on that project and hope it turns out well. (talk) 03:33, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
I'm not against quoting Quakers and Mennonites per se, I'm just against presenting their views as if they were very important, extremely important. They are actually less than 1 % of all Christians, and we can only present their views after we take into account the other 99 % of Christians. The Caesar page is POV because it looks like a piece of unadulerated Quaker propaganda. ADM (talk) 03:38, 8 August 2009 (UTC)


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thoreau, anarcho-pacifist[edit]

Hello. Doubting Thoreau´s pacifism and his importance for anarcho-pascifism is strange. Please explain this.--Eduen (talk) 01:29, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

Thoreau explicitly argued against pacifism and defended the armed insurrection of John Brown. He unambiguously was not a pacifist. I agree that his theories on civil disobedience have been influential in pacifist circles. - (talk) 01:52, 8 March 2010 (UTC)

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Writers and Editors War Tax Protest[edit]

Thanks for finding this interesting information and adding it to articles. However I am concerned that you might also be saying that some people are tax resisters based on signing it. It's one thing to sign a petition, which is lawful, and another thing to fail to pay taxes, which is unlawful. I don't think we can assume that people actually failed to pay their taxes just because they signed the petition or pledge.   Will Beback  talk  22:10, 21 February 2011 (UTC)

It was more than a petition; it was a pledge that said in part "None of us voluntarily will pay the proposed 10% income tax surcharge or any war-designated tax increase." I'd argue that such a pledge amounts to tax resistance. —Moorlock (talk) 23:08, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
The article on tax resistance says: Tax resistance is the refusal to willingly pay a tax because of opposition to the institution that is imposing the tax, or to some of that institution’s policies. It doesn't mention the threat or pledge to refuse to pay taxes. The mere suggestion that one will commit an act is not the same as committing it. If I yelled at someone, "I'm gonna kill you", that does not make me a murderer. It seems likely that for most of the signatories it was intended as a symbolic protest rather than an actual commitment to break the law. Unless sources specifically say that they followed up on their pledges they should not be included in the tax resisters category.   Will Beback  talk  23:40, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Further, do we even know if this proposed surcharge was even levied? A pledge to not pay a proposed tax seems even more remote from being a tax resister than pledging not to pay an existing tax.   Will Beback  talk  23:56, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
If "tax resistance is the refusal to willingly pay a tax" then saying "we will not voluntarily pay this tax" sounds to me like the genuine item. That's what refusal sounds like. As to whether or not particular signers backed up their refusal with further action, I'm sure you're right that it would require more in-depth case-by-case research. I believe the 10% income tax surcharge was signed into law in June of 1968 and applied to that year and to 1969 and part of 1970 (at a lower rate). —Moorlock (talk) 00:11, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm looking this up in newspaper archives. Yes, it appears that the surcharge was passed. However I can't find any articles talking about failures to pay it. Without seeing the text of the pledge, it apears off-hand that the signers were motivated by opposition to the Vietnam War rather than to the surcharge or the general authority of the Fedweral government to collect taxes. Additionally, the advertisement is a primary source. This pledge seems to have received scant attention in secondary sources. The New York Times did an article on it which names some of the signatories, but it's mostly concerned with explaining why the paper refused to publish the ad (even though one of their editors was an organizer). Given that WP biographies are generally quite short, I'm concerned that adding a sentence about this pledge may represent undue weight. For the names mentioned in the NYT article, we have a second source. But for those who do not appear in a secondary source I think we'd be better off leaving this out entirely.   Will Beback  talk  00:43, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
I think you may be misunderstanding tax resistance. Refusing or resisting a tax because of opposition to the policies of the institution collecting the tax (e.g. the Vietnam War) is very much in the scope of tax resistance. There are also some examples of tax resistance that have come from people who oppose a particular tax or the general authority of the government to collect taxes, but that's not the most typical case. It sounds like you may be thinking about the tax protester crowd, which is a different sort of beast. —Moorlock (talk) 00:50, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Be that as it may, the bottom line is we need sources that specifically call these people "tax resisters". I'm going to go ahead and remove the category from those without such a source, especially those whose only indication of tax resistance is appearing in this ad.   Will Beback  talk  00:57, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Not sure how you can justify that standard. Seems like if they clearly and by their own formal declaration fall under the definition of a tax resister that you quoted, there's no good reason to find some third-party that has come to the same conclusion that anyone could come to. You don't refrain from putting someone in the "living persons" category until you can find a reliable source that explicitly calls them a "living person," you just conclude from the fact that they're not dead that they belong in the category. I know that on Wikipedia there's always a policy that one can call on to defend any position one cares to take, but really! —Moorlock (talk) 01:18, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
If a person is quoted as saying "I'm going to kill John Doe" that would not be sufficient to add them to the murderers category. Failure to pay taxes is a crime and we can't say that people have done that without clear evidence. If you think there's sufficient reason to create a category like "people who have complained about paying taxes" or "people who have said they won't pay their taxes", then it might fit some of these people. There'd still be the issue of using a primary source for most of them however. Since you are contesting this, I'll start a thread at WP:BLPN to see what others think.   Will Beback  talk  01:30, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
If it's the seeming-to-accuse-people-of-crime-without-sufficient-evidence angle that's worrying you, not all methods of tax resistance are crimes; saying that someone is a tax resister is not equivalent to saying they are a criminal. As for the primary source issue, I gotta say that it sounds pretty pedantic to me to say that it's wiki-wrong to say "so and so signed this petition that appeared in the newspaper on such-and-such a day" unless you can also say "and the New York Times mentioned their name in particular when they reported about the petition." The latter cite doesn't actually add anything to the reliability and verifiability of the fact (though it may say something about its notability), but only satisfies a legalistic reading of the primary-sources Wikipolicy. —Moorlock (talk) 01:40, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
It is a crime to refuse to pay taxes but it is not a crime to say that one is going to refuse. The category points to the article, and the article only talks about refusing, not just pledging to refuse. Anyway, I've posted a thread at WP:BLPN#Writers and Editors War Tax Protest. I've mentioned some of your concerns, but I'm sure you'll want to give your side too.   Will Beback  talk  01:50, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
FWIW, I see in a biography of Philip K. Dick that he did refuse to pay and suffered for it.[4]   Will Beback  talk  02:01, 22 February 2011 (UTC)

OK, the thread at BLPN has been running for about almost a week, and I don't expect further input. Both of the responders have basically agreed with my position. I believe the list at History of tax resistance#Vietnam War, 1968–72 is fine, so long as it simply says that they singed the pledge. Biographies for which there is a secondary source discussing their pledge may keep the mention. That would include Dick, Gloria Steinem, and any others we can find. Only those people who are known to have actually refused to pay their tax bill when presented, such as Dick, should be included in the category. The simplest way to proceed would be to remove the mention and category from all except those articles, and add them back as additional sources are found. Does that sound right?   Will Beback  talk  09:19, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

My feelings on the matter haven't changed. I'm not much of a Wikipedia policy nerd so I don't know to what extent a 3-1 vote on BLPN counts as Official Wikipedia Consensus or just the opinions of two people who follow BLPN and decided to pipe up. I'm willing to entertain the idea that there ought maybe to be some distinct tally for the signers of the petition other than just putting the signers in the "tax resisters" category -- maybe some other list-format (perhaps you could recommend one) or maybe the pledge itself deserves a page. But removing the mention of the pledge from the articles themselves seems overkill. The pledge was a milestone in anti-war activism of the time -- not just another anti-war petition, but a pledge to personally refuse to submit to government demands -- and the appearance of so many prominent names on the list made it both a signal of the increasing radicalism of people of letters and also, if you were asked to have your name appear, a signal of your perceived prominence (and political slant) in the writing community at the time. —Moorlock (talk) 15:38, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
The problem is that we're working mostly from a primary source. I encourage you to write an article on the pledge. That would be an opportunity to find more secondary sources. Meantime, I'm going to go ahead and remove the material and category as described above. Feel free to re-add them where merited by secondary sources which discuss the individuals signatories or their actual failure to pay taxes.   Will Beback  talk  22:05, 28 February 2011 (UTC)
Seeing no further comment, I'll proceed with undoing your edits, though it'd really be better if you'd undo them yourself. I don't mean to discourage you from making edits in compliance with WP policies (whatever those are today), but I do think we need to be very careful about what we add to biographies.   Will Beback  talk  08:30, 16 March 2011 (UTC)

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Books and Bytes: The Wikipedia Library Newsletter[edit]

Books and Bytes

Volume 1, Issue 1, October 2013

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Greetings Wikipedia Library members! Welcome to the inaugural edition of Books and Bytes, TWL’s monthly newsletter. We're sending you the first edition of this opt-in newsletter, because you signed up, or applied for a free research account: HighBeam, Credo, Questia, JSTOR, or Cochrane. To receive future updates of Books and Bytes, please add your name to the subscriber's list. There's lots of news this month for the Wikipedia Library, including new accounts, upcoming events, and new ways to get involved...

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News from the library world: Wikipedian joins the National Archives full time; the Getty Museum releases 4,500 images; CERN goes CC-BY

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The Wikipedia Library Survey[edit]

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Possible RefSpam, 99 Tactics of Successful Tax Resistance Campaigns[edit]

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Proposed deletion of Lodin[edit]

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BNA Access[edit]

Hey Moorlock, I sent you an email about access to WP:BNA about two weeks ago, with instructions on how to register for access. Please follow the instructions in the email, Sadads (talk) 16:22, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for the note... the email must have gotten caught in my spam filter. Moorlock (talk) 16:25, 18 July 2014 (UTC)
Glad that you found it :) Sadads (talk) 17:23, 18 July 2014 (UTC)