User talk:MorrowStravis

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justice wikia[edit]

I have not forgotten you, but I got sucked away, and have not made it back. Please feel free to ping my talkpage, if you wonder where the heck I went.  :-)   Thanks for improving wikipedia. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 20:52, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done Okay, here we go. Explanation of how the Unwritten Rules go, somewhat long, but illuminating I hope. Wikipedia:External_links/Noticeboard#Young_Justice_Wiki And, added my comment (again long... sorry) which outlines the reason why the YoungJustice.Wikia belongs in the external link section of the article. Talk:Young_Justice_(TV_series)#RfC:_Should_a_link_to_Young_Justice_Wiki_be_included.3F Let me know if you need anything, or please, if anything is unclear to you. If you feel like fixing up the wfOnline thing, and are not sure how, I can walk you through it in a couple minutes flat. Thanks, and see you around. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 16:25, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
Pingback, please see my talkpage. You might also want to read up on how to add the article-talkpage of the Young Justice (TV series) article to your watchlist. If you get stuck, ask, and if I don't get back to you promptly, try the WP:TEAHOUSE or some other member of WP:RETENTION for quicker ... and no doubt terser ... service. HTH 74.192.84.101 (talk) 01:17, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

okay, Jack has noticed our stuff[edit]

I'm gonna let you do all the talking. But I'll try and help you out with the policy-stuff, because there's five billion of them. You started out well. Here is Jack's main contention:

"One of the criteria we use to determine whether a reference is suitable for use"

Your reply is that, basically, Jack sounds like he is not in favor of any links to external wikis, at all. That is a correct assessment! Hence why he removed both the wiki-links, back in 2012.

As you also point out, WP:EL disagrees with Jack, in certain cases. But you failed to take advantage of this (policy being in your favor) in two important ways: first, you mentioned WP:EL, which is good, but you failed to *specifically* mention the critical snippet. It's a ten page policy paper, which links to fifty others, all of *them* ten pages long. Jack does not have time to read all that! WP:REQUIRED and also WP:BURDEN, right? Right. So help him out. We've already pasted the specific exceptions. But where is the *philosophical* reason why the WP:EL supports our plan, to get an external-wiki into the external links section? At the top of WP:EL, it says this.... "Some acceptable links include... information that could not be added to the article for reasons such as... amount of detail, or other meaningful, relevant content that is not suitable for inclusion in an article for reasons unrelated to its accuracy."

Second advantage in our favor: Jack has done a lot of work, over the years, to keep the wikipedia article free of non-encyclopedic statistics, vast amounts of non-encyclopedic details, and 'fan-cruft' in general. Positively absolutely, it will *help* Jack personally (or folks like him such as NikkiMaria) if there is an external wiki, like YJW, which anybody can edit, listed as an external link... where vast details and blow-by-blow statistics are not just okay, but welcomed.

So, your reply is good. Add some of the above if you wish... or wait to see what Jack says in return. It might take a few days; he might want to wait a bit, so we know what is happening with the two RfC things that are open, yours about YJW, and his about WFO. In the meantime, please skim the stuff in WP:RS, which methinks is where Jack is coming from in his very first sentence (pasted up top). Our argument is *not* that YJW should be used as a *source* aka as a *reference*, for backing up facts in the article. We're saying that it belongs as an external link, a unique vastly-detailed outside resource, which is out of scope for wikipedia (too much detail is non-encyclopedic). We don't plan to cite YJW when we add sentences to the wikipedia article; we just want readers, who are interested in the series and want to learn more, are able to satisfy that desire. *Jack* wants a place, when editors try to expand wikipedia so as to include every episode and every character no matter how outside WP:NOTEWORTHY they are for an encyclopedia entry, to have a place that person can put such info.

I expect things will work out just fine, in other words.  :-) — 74.192.84.101 (talk) 23:20, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

jargon bug[edit]

You said --

"...could never be any links to any links at all."

A bit confusing. Suggest instead:

"...could never be any External Links to any external-wiki-fansites at all."

Also, it will help if you say Memory Alpha, since Jack might not know what that is, offhand. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 23:23, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

we are getting close now, steady as she goes[edit]

We cannot put the EL back in quite yet, methinks. We would like to have everybody on our side. This is called consensus. It takes longer to achieve, but it is the difference between winning by beating the content-dispute-opponent, and winning by getting the content-dispute-opponent to become your friend, and thereafter help you preserve the new content indefinitely. We'd rather get the EL into the article, and have Jack/Lucia/Justin/Liz/Chris/NikkiMaria all in favor of the change, and ready to revert folks that come by later to delete it. There *will* be such folks, I guarantee, deletionists are everywhere.

  Anyhoo, left you a long explanation on my talkpage (with the capsule summary here... which is that Lucia is doing the right thing, so keep your cool, say you are sorry for failing to assume good faith, and let us win her over with honey rather than 'beat' her in debating-vinegar). Also, did some legwork to figure out if YJW actually *does* offer a Unique Resource, see the article-talkpage for my results. Thanks as usual (nice tightening up the "acclaim" prose btw -- your pillar#2 kung fu grows stronger methinks), and also as usual please ping my talkpage if none of this makes sense.  :-)   — 74.192.84.101 (talk) 08:14, 29 November 2013 (UTC)

looks like success, prolly can add YJW after this weekend is over[edit]

I'll let you do the honors.  :-)

Suggest something like this:

Also, suggest that you not remove the WorldsFinestOnline, and that you put the YJW link underneath that one in the EL-list. Somebody else will surely come along and fix the obvious problem, at some point, so that only one major fansite is listed.

Thanks, and sorry this took foh-evah.  :-)   — 74.192.84.101 (talk) 22:04, 6 December 2013 (UTC)

Do you mind doing it, User:74.192.84.101? Everytime I put it it was removed. :/ --MorrowStravis (talk) 23:13, 6 December 2013 (UTC)
Nah, course I don't mind. But the reason I wanted you to put it in, was this time I think it will *stay* in.  :-)   Anyhoo, let's wait another week-or-so, to see what a passing admin says. Nobody happened along to close the RfC yet, but the task was posted on here,[2] so prolly some admin will come by within a week or so and 'officially' tell us whether you and I got it right or not. We might as well wait until then.
  The closing admin is supposed to look at the *policy* arguments, and see who is within policy, and not just who has more votes in their favor. I expect we have the one-major-fansite policy on our side, as well as more than enough bangvotes, so I expect it will go our way. Anyways, pain in the super-butt, right? I'm working on making the wiki safe for beginners once again, so that they don't get ninja-reverted shoot-from-the-hip-style, but it is a long project. It's hard enough just getting one simple website linked, eh? Let alone changing the wikiCulture. But it'll get done.
  If you're interested in being a revolutionary, you can join the not-a-cabal, and help crusade against unfairness, and for editor-liberty && wikiJustice for all.  ;-)   Anyways, outside the YJW saga, you interested in any more wiki-work? We could try for that condensed-timeline-thing, or do some team-editing of the subsidiary articles, or whatever you like. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 07:41, 12 December 2013 (UTC)

uh oh....[edit]

Talk:Young_Justice_(TV_series)#RfC:_Should_a_link_to_Young_Justice_Wiki_be_included.3F

Somebody closed the discussion. Named like some kind of robotic being, or something... I_JethroBT

I shudder to think what their intransigent positronic mind has decided shall be our fate.  :-)   p.s. happy proleptic gregorian increment. — 74.192.84.101 (talk) 07:58, 6 January 2014 (UTC)