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Invitation to take part in a pilot study[edit]

Welcome to Wikipedia. I am a Wikipedian, who is studying the phenomenon on Wikipedia. I need your help to conduct my research on about understanding "Motivation of Wikipedia contributors." I would like to invite you to a short survey. Please give me your valuable time, which estimates only ‘’’5 minutes’’’ cooldenny (talk) 15:22, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Great job![edit]

I was looking at the article you were working on with UmbertoTozzi ( Jack_Buckland ) it looks fantastic!. If you need any help with anything please feel free to let me know, you may find the Wikipedia Cheatsheet a good reference if you don't know something in our "wiki text" format but it looks like you're doing pretty darn well already :) Thanks for all your work! Jalexander--WMF 04:58, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Categories for discussion nomination of Category:People from Tuvalu[edit]

Category:People from Tuvalu, which you created, has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Pichpich (talk) 22:00, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Henry and William and Jane and Marianne[edit]

Dear Friend,

Thank you for editing Henry Williams (missionary). And special thanks for creating Jane and Marianne Williams. As you may have noticed, I edited Jane. Please take a look at my edits. My language skills are bad (as I'm a native Dutchie), but I do have some experience in working at wikipedia. I also want to contribute more to the content of the articles. But I'm quite busy with some other things now, so that may take some time. Perhaps when I'm back in Aotearoa in september, I'll continue working on the Williams-family.

I do have a few remarks that I want to point out to you, just as remarks from a colleague:

  1. Following the Manual of Style it is not common to put quotations in italics (section: Italics / subsection: Quotations in italics). So I removed the italics again. If you do this kind of editing, I advise you to inspect the MOS first.
  2. If it is possible, avoid making large numbers of very small edits. The “page history” gets clogged with a great number of very small edits. For instance: Henry Williams is on my watchlist. If I want to see what you have done I have to check all the about 70 different versions you produced within a few days. So if it is the same to you, I want to ask you to do more (related) changes in one go. See also: Wikipedia_talk:Pruning_article_revisions. As far as I could check there is no guideline like MOS concerning this, but to my opinion it is good to keep the number of edits reasonable low. I use my text-processor to do all the editing, and put all the changes in one or a few edits. That keeps the “page-history” short and synoptic. But perhaps I exaggerate to the other extreme.

I hope to see more interesting edits on Aotearoa-issues! Greetings, Dick Bos (talk) 15:50, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Hello MozzazzoM, I see that you have an interest in NZ missionaries and that you've had a good go at the Williams family. I thought I draw your attention to Samuel Williams. I set up this stub a few days ago because I was of the believe that it is one of the very few articles missing of persons listed in the Dictionary of New Zealand Biography, but it turns out that there are actually quite a few DNZB listings not on Wikipedia yet. Anyway, I have no interest in turning this article into something more decent, but you might; hence this note. Keep up your good work. Schwede66 02:46, 20 June 2012 (UTC)

Treaty of Waitangi[edit]

Hi MozzazzoM. I have reverted your last edits to Treaty of Waitangi mainly because of what you say in the edit summary: "adding discussion as to the interpretation of the treaty with a comparison to terms used in the declaration of indepencence 1835 with references to primary texts". That just made me wonder whether you are aware of the policy Wikipedia:Original research and what it says about the use of primary, secondary and tertiary sources. I think the main thrust is that we need to quote what reliable sources have written, rather than base our contributions on our own research. Let's know what you think anyway. Kahuroa (talk) 21:22, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Reply to Kahuroa (talk) 21:22, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi Kahuroa,

My opinion is that what I added to the Treaty of Waitangi does not conflict with the "original research" policy, which as you know is relevant to facts, allegations, and ideas, “for which no reliable, published source exists”. The reliable, published source I used is NZ History online which references Archives New Zealand. http://www.nzhistory.net.nz/media/interactive/the-declaration-of-independence

I would also say that what I have added meets the other Wikipedia core content policies of:

  • Neutral point of view – I am not adding my opinion or interpretation of the English and Māori language versions of the Declaration of Independence; I am quoting NZ History online content. Perhaps what I stated in the edit summary - “adding discussion” – was not the best choice of words, as I am not adding my discussion or original research. What I am adding is ‘context’ to the following discussion on the meaning and interpretation of the Treaty of Waitangi that is referenced to the secondary material written by Ruth Ross and Judith Binney. The context I am adding is that that Henry Williams used ‘kāwanatanga’, ‘Kingitanga’ and ‘mana’ in his translation of the Declaration of Independence that was signed 5 years before the treaty of Waitangi.
  • Verifiability – is the reference to NZ History online, which readers can click through to and read the full English and Māori language versions of the Declaration of Independence.

In summary I believe that I have quoted reliable sources for what I have written, which is both expressed in a neutral point of view and contains verifiable contents, and I have not carried out “my own research” (in breach of the Wikipedia content policy) in quoting from NZ History Online regarding the use of ‘kāwanatanga’, ‘Kingitanga’ and ‘mana’ in the Declaration of Independence. (MozzazzoM (talk) 00:57, 31 August 2011 (UTC))

Thanks, that clears it up for me. I will restore your edits. Kahuroa (talk) 01:03, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Thank you for your response Kahuroa (talk) 01:03, 31 August 2011 (UTC) I had thought this topic would lead to discussion in the NZ Wikipedian community so I posted a summary of my explanation at Wikipedia:New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board. Your prompt response has probably ended that discussion - unless of course some other Wikipedian may choose to intervene on this topic (MozzazzoM (talk) 01:20, 31 August 2011 (UTC))

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SGHS rowing club[edit]

G'day MozzazzoM. Is there a good reason to have the SGHS rowing club as a separate article, rather than including it in the SGHS article itself? This isn't exactly standard practise for Australian high school sports teams. ˜danjel[ talk | contribs ] 13:08, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Merge to Sydney Girls High School[edit]

As a result of the discussion at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/SGHS_Rowing_Club, I've completed a merge to Sydney Girls High School. If you could please look over what I've done and make sure that I've moved over everything that's important, I'd appreciate it. Cheers. ˜danjel [ talk | contribs ] 10:29, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Response to danjel

Proposed deletion SGHS Rowing Club

I am unhappy at the lack of due process in which you have conducted the proposed deletion of SGHS Rowing Club and merger with Sydney Girls High School. As to lack of ‘due process’:

1. You did not state how long the debate was to remain open as to the proposed deletion; and

2. You did not give me warning that you were closing the debate and proceeding with the deletion/merger.

As to the substance of your decision:

3. There is no ‘consensus’ in the debate as to the deletion that supports your decision - indeed you will note the comment on one participant:

Comment - It scores one unambiguously significant mention in the state's major newspaper, so it's borderline passing GNG already. Agree that the additional sources are primary or directory listings and thus do nothing to demonstrate notability. I'd say if the article creator or anyone else can drum up another RSS, that'd be a keep.--Yeti Hunter (talk) 09:18, 4 October 2011 (UTC).

You will note that the revised SGHS Rowing Club pages (as of 10 November) contained the following mentions in the Sydney Morning Herald:

  • Williams, Daniel (20 December 1991). "Girls steer smooth course from humble start". Sydney Morning Herald. p. 34. 
  • FitzSimons, Peter (Saturday 19 March 1994). "Jolly boating weather, without the hay-harvest breeze". Sydney Morning Herald. 

In addition what had been referenced as a Web reference I changed to confirm that the webpage contains information published in book form in 1986 and republished in book form in 2006:

4. Your previous statement as to the existence of the SGHS Rowing Club “isn't exactly standard practise for Australian high school sports teams” cannot be a valid basis for the action you have taken – compliance with Wikipedia:Notability guidelines must be the only basis on which a deletion/merger decision can be made. For the following reasons I argue that SGHS Rowing Club meets those Wikipedia:Notability guidelines, including as described under the subheading ‘General notability guideline’; as well as the guidelines as to Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) - SGHS Rowing club meets the Wikipedia definition of “an organization is a group of more than one person formed together for a purpose”.

The Wikipedia:Notability guidelines describe ‘Notability’ as being “subject of significant coverage in reliable, independent secondary sources. Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject by secondary sources is not sufficient to establish notability.” COMMENT: The SGHS Rowing Club has 2 newspaper references in the Sydney Morning Herald (a major NSW newspaper) and is referred to in a published book (as noted above under paragraph 3). I would rely on the comment of Yeti Hunter and argue that the standard of ‘significant’ sources has been met.

The guidelines go on to state “When evaluating the notability of organizations or products, please consider whether they have had any significant or demonstrable effects on ….. athletics…” COMMENT: I suggest that the contents of SGHS Rowing Club, (and the references) establish that Sydney Girls High School Rowing Club has had a “significant or demonstrable effects on ….. athletics…”, in regard to the sport of rowing in New South Wales.

Depth of coverage “The depth of coverage of the subject by the source must be considered. If the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple independent sources should be cited to establish notability. Trivial or incidental coverage of a subject is not sufficient to establish notability.” COMMENT: The SGHS Rowing Club has 2 newspaper references in the Sydney Morning Herald (a major NSW newspaper) and is referred to in a published book (as noted above under paragraph 3).

Wikipedia:Published states “All reliable sources are, by definition, published and accessible to at least some people.” COMMENT: This guideline is met as SGHS Rowing Club has 2 newspaper references in the Sydney Morning Herald (a major NSW newspaper) and is referred to in a published book - as noted above under paragraph 3.

I would request that you reinstate SGHS Rowing Club as a Wikipedia page separate to that of Sydney Girls High School. (MozzazzoM (talk) 02:33, 11 October 2011 (UTC))

Uhh... I did not initiate nor close the discussion on this article. The AfD at WP:Articles_for_deletion/SGHS_Rowing_Club was started by User:DGG and closed by an administrator User:King of Hearts.
As a matter of fact, you'll note above, that I tried to get in touch with you even before the AfD was started, but you chose not to respond then. I would have preferred to work it out with you personally, but, unfortunately, the more general wikipedia process started and concluded before you replied just now (but you had been online, so...).
To address each of your points:
  1. Due process was observed in the conduct of the AfD. The process is outlined at WP:AFD.
  2. The discussion at WP:Articles_for_deletion/SGHS_Rowing_Club was initiated on 03/10 by User:DGG, and was closed by User:King of Hearts, an administrator, on 10/10, i.e., 7 days, as required by WP:NotEarly.
  3. You were notified of the nomination of the article for deletion on 3/10 by User:DGG here.
  4. The comment you quote was a comment, not a vote. 100% of the votes were to merge. There was enough votes for the administrator to close the discussion per WP:CONSENSUS and I support him in that decision because there was no dissent against the decision to merge.
  5. I don't strenuously disagree with anything you say about the significance of the rowing club, but you needed to make these points during the discussion, not afterwards. That being said, I do feel that much of your content does not meet WP:WPSCH/AG, WP:NOTABILITY and WP:TRIVIA (i.e., in respect to mentioning non-notable students and teachers names).
  6. Furthermore, mentions in SMH aren't enough to establish notability. I've been mentioned in various broadt sheet newspapers a number of times (I think 5 so far, IIRC) over the years and I can guarantee you that I am not notable enough to warrant an article dedicated to me.
All being told, you really really should have participated in that discussion when you were notified. You really really should have started a dialogue with me before it even got to that point and we could have avoided this situation.
I strongly suggest that you WP:USERFY the article without delay (i.e., NOW) and mark it as a WP:DRAFT, before the article is deleted and a redirect placed. Then, bring the issue up at the talk pages at WP:WPSCH, WP:EIA, and WP:SPORT. You might be able to develop a consensus to keep at those three places. You particularly need to develop this point:

I suggest that the contents of SGHS Rowing Club, (and the references) establish that Sydney Girls High School Rowing Club has had a “significant or demonstrable effects on ….. athletics…”, in regard to the sport of rowing in New South Wales.

...by showing how it has had significant enough effects on athletics in NSW such that it should have its own article. I would suggest that you look for other examples of rowing clubs (or sports teams more generally) of other schools in Australia that have their own articles.
Finally, be really careful of WP:OWNing this article. This situation might not go the way ou like, regardless of the great work that you've done. At the moment, you're yet to fully convince me and I'm generally an inclusionist. Be WP:CALM. ˜danjel [ talk | contribs ] 04:11, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


Separate Advice[edit]

I also strongly suggest that you quickly respond to the notifications regarding copyright below. ˜danjel [ talk | contribs ] 04:14, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

Reminder[edit]

Please don't let this go without responding and working through the issues above. ˜danjel [ talk | contribs ] 05:48, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

Response to danjel. Thank you for the explanation of the available options. This weekend I will work through the information and options you have described (MozzazzoM (talk) 06:12, 13 October 2011 (UTC))

Nomination of SGHS Rowing Club for deletion[edit]

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Sydney Girls High School[edit]

I have removed mention of student names and trivial information that you added to the article. I have also readded the link syntax to Margaret Varady.

First, per consensus generated guidelines for school articles I have removed mention of names from the section of text regarding rowing.

Second, Wikipedia articles are not indiscriminate collections of information. We do not add non-notable or trivial information to mainspace.

These two points have been mentioned to you before. Above, I said (emph. added):

I do feel that much of your content does not meet WP:WPSCH/AG, WP:NOTABILITY and WP:TRIVIA (i.e., in respect to mentioning non-notable students and teachers names).

I strongly suggest that you read WP:WPSCH/AG.

Third, Maragaret Varady is of sufficient notability that she satisfies WP:REDLINK. I mentioned this when I first reverted your move to delink her name. ˜danjel [ talk | contribs ] 01:11, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

References to Michael Phillips in Age of Nelson ship articles[edit]

Hi Mozzazzom, there is little point in using Phillips as a reference. Because he does not cite his sources he does not provide verifiabilty. Actually, almost all of his material comes from sources contemporary to the events, almost exclusively the Naval Chronicle or Marshall. These in turn draw heavily on the London Gazette. I would recommend that you cite to these sources rather than Phillips and simply add a link to Phillips under "External links" in those cases where Phillips goes into more detail than seems necessary for the article. I used to use Phillips too, until I found that he was largely copying or paraphrasing the material from the sources I mentioned. I then started to look for and cite the originals. Regards, Acad Ronin (talk) 04:11, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Hi Acad Ronin, thank you for that information. I will stop referencing Phillips. British Navel ships is not my area of expertise or interest, I was just focusing on 3 ships on which Henry Williams served as a midshipman. (MozzazzoM (talk) 09:21, 22 December 2011 (UTC))

Hi MozzazzoM, Too bad. We could always use more help in the area, but then so could all areas. Good luck with your work on Henry Williams. Regards, Acad Ronin (talk) 11:52, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

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Scouting project[edit]

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Your submission at AfC Tuvalu Philatelic Bureau was accepted[edit]

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Tuvalu passport stamp[edit]

Do you perhaps have a Tuvaluan passport stamp? If you do, would you consider uploading a scan on Wikimedia Commons that would be used in Gallery of passport stamps by country and Visa policy of Tuvalu. Thanks--Twofortnights (talk) 01:01, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

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Bebe[edit]

I saw your draft article for Cyclone Bebe over at Articles for Creation and since i am one of the major TC writers for the region i was wondering if you would like a hand with it. Regards.Jason Rees (talk) 01:40, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

I think Bebe is worth an article as well, which is why i offered to give you a hand. Anyway youve not done too badly on your own, though ive tweaked the format of the article to reflect what is commonly used by editors.Jason Rees (talk) 16:31, 26 February 2014 (UTC)

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Crime in Tuvalu[edit]

Hello. I have looked at your new article Crime in Tuvalu. The article appears to be a good contribution, but I wonder about some of references to the Criminal Procedure Code of 1963: for example, the first paragraph of "Rape, unlawful sexual intercourse and domestic violence", which refers to Section XVI. That section does not exist in the current version of the code at http://www.paclii.org/tv/legis/consol_act_2008/cpc190/ or even the 1990 version at http://www.tuvalu-legislation.tv/tuvalu/DATA/PRIN/1990-007/CriminalProcedureCode.pdf . I did find that content at http://www.wipo.int/wipolex/en/text.jsp?file_id=197529 , but it seems to be seriously out of date. Please update the article contents to reflect the present situation -- and don't forget to cite your sources. --Orlady (talk) 17:16, 31 March 2014 (UTC)

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