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John H. Gohde, Natural Health Advocate

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Welcome to my talk page.

This is John's talk page. The civility requirement of Wikipedia applies to ALL posting on my user talk page. Nasty, rude, angry, hostile, threatening, indecisive, juvenile chatter, and / or impolite comments, or postings by editors that I just plain do not like because they have NOT been nice will be ignored.



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Welcome back[edit]

Hi John, may I ask why my user name is on your user page? Thanks and have a good day, --CrohnieGalTalk 20:49, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you. Yes, you may. It is not there now. I had copied the starting point for my user page in part from another user. -- John Gohde (talk) 23:59, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
Ok thanks, that's what I was thinking. My user page had helped another gather links and such when getting started. I was just curious. I hope it helped, please feel free to snag whatever you would like from there. I need them to refer to things because I forget easily so it makes things easier for me to have the list to remind me. Have a good day, happy and healthy editing, --CrohnieGalTalk 13:32, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Let's shake hands[edit]

Hi John. I just want to check in with you and share some thoughts. While we obviously don't always agree on many things regarding alternative medicine, I want to reassure you that I do not have, and never have had, any intentions to improperly delete or downplay the existence of alternative medicine subjects at Wikipedia. They exist, and Wikipedia's job includes documenting the real world, including alternative medicine. You have done an amazing job at creating many things on the subject. I might not agree with some POV issues with some of them, but the basic idea of creating some of them is impressive.

The situation that occurred when you returned (related to the List of alternative medicine subjects which I started) was unfortunate. I'm sorry about that. I didn't even know that the list you had created - Index of topics in alternative medicine - existed, and I definitely had no intention of competing with it or with the Glossary of alternative medicine which you also started. The very fact that I created the list should indicate that I wasn't attempting to do any disservice to the subject, but was in fact making it more accessible to editors and readers. "Imitation is the greatest form of flattery" would apply, IF I had known about your original list. We both saw a need and were apparently thinking alike on that one! I hope we're okay and can edit together, and even when we disagree, that we can do it agreeably. -- Fyslee (talk) 03:21, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

I am inclined to believe that I was likewise correct on the areas in which we disagree on. It is fine with me. I would just like to see more favorable voting from you in the days to come. -- John Gohde (talk) 23:40, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Reported violations of arbitration decisions for enforcement[edit]

I have reported your actions at Orthomolecular psychiatry to WP:AE for enforcement. See this. ScienceApologist (talk) 14:53, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

The improper notice and lack of discussion referenced by me, speaks for itself. And so does no other editor to date reversing my edit. -- John Gohde (talk) 17:50, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Pseudoscience[edit]

As a motion amending the above-named Arbitration case, the Arbitration committee has acknowledged long-term and persistent problems in the editing of articles related to pseudoscience. As a result, the Committee has enacted broad editing restrictions, described here and below.

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Generally, the next step, if an administrator feels your conduct on pages in this topic area is disruptive, would be a warning, to be followed by the imposition of sanctions (although in cases of serious disruption, the warning may be omitted). Hopefully no such action will be necessary.

This notice is only effective if given by an administrator and logged here. PhilKnight (talk) 15:44, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

medicinal clay[edit]

Hello, John,

You wrote here:

"Personally, I cannot say I am in favor of the use of Medicinal clay. Had a very negative experience with a dirt eater outside of Wikipedia. I have never used Medicinal clay and probably never will."

But have it ever occurred to you to use the clay externally? I'm not aware of any negative side-effects of that.

As to internal use, yes, some negative side-effects are possible, but generally because of excessive consumption.

Best regards, Dyuku (talk) 05:11, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Help with Core Synchronism redaction[edit]

Greetings John--

I am writing to you appealing to your wisdom an experience in matters probably similar to this. What would you say is the best protocol for a response in a massive deletion and debunk of the Core Synchronism article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Souljerky (talkcontribs) 17:54, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:NCCAM[edit]

Ambox warning pn.svgTemplate:NCCAM has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Bulwersator (talk) 17:46, 17 December 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Template:Manipulative and body-based methods[edit]

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If this template was already pre-existing on several different articles, then it is NOT an orphaned template. Nor, has it been deprecated. -- John Gohde (talk) 11:59, 13 June 2012 (UTC)


Hi I am new to wikipedia editing and have just discovered these project groups. I am a biologist with an interest in alternative medicine. I see that this group is quite different from, say, the gastropod project... emotions don't seem to run so hot over there. Nonetheless, I would like to join this project because I believe I can make positive contributions.

My area of wiki expertise right now is the enlargement of stubs from the available research. I am dedicated to finding reliable sources of information and reporting it accurately.

I have an open mind when it comes to 'alternative medicine'. I do not accept anything blindly - I need evidence - but I do not reject new ideas out of hand as 'pseudoscience'. I believe in the scientific method but i also am suspicious of some aspects of modern medicine that seem to be controlled more by drug companies than health professionals.

On a personal level, I want to keep my body as healthy as possible using natural foods, and medicines where needed. I live a pretty 'alternative' life style in the Australian bush (solar powered home, composting, growing our own food) and have benefited from such alternative medical fields as chiropractic treatments, herbal medicines and massage. I realise that there are still snake oil salesmen out there but I also believe that many people who have been maligned as snake oil pushers are actually people who believe in their products or methods and deserve to have a voice.

Ok I don't want to go on too long but I want to know if you think there is a place for me here. Then,what is the procedure? do i just 'edit' the participant list in order to join? Is there a committee who vets new participants or do we just jump in, boots and all?

regards, Margaret Skeel, aka Reefswaggie (talk) 12:59, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Nomination for deletion of Template:Biologically based therapy[edit]

Ambox warning pn.svgTemplate:Biologically based therapy has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Guy (Help!) 20:25, 27 April 2014 (UTC)