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Your edits[edit]

Information.svg Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to Christine Maggiore. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you. MastCell Talk 20:32, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

Land reform in Zimbabwe[edit]

Do you have a reference/source for the two billion pound figure (Lancaster House commitment)? If so, it would help. Babakathy (talk) 13:41, 28 December 2008 (UTC)


We already have Samuel R. Caldwell. Feel free to improve it. — RHaworth (talk · contribs) 15:35, 25 January 2010 (UTC)

Ugandan Constitution of 1995[edit]

For your information, MrSativa,

Thank you for creating the section, Ugandan Constitution of 1995, in the article, LGBT rights in Uganda. It is a valid point of view that should be present in Wikipedia.

I believe that you assert that protection against discrimination on the grounds of sex renders anti-homosexual laws unconstitutional. I challenge the assertion with my reason given on the talk page. Because of Wikipedia's policy of verifiability, I suggest that the assertion needs to be supported by a reference to a reliable source in order to be part of the article.

I welcome discussion about this.

  • If you want to discuss this with me one-on-one, you could reply here.
  • If you want to discuss this with editors interested in LGBT rights in Uganda, you could reply at Talk:LGBT rights in Uganda.
  • If you want to discuss this with more editors, I suggest we could start a section at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject LGBT studies. The WikiProject has lots of editors who are enthusiastic about LGBT issues.

--Kevinkor2 (talk) 16:05, 26 May 2010 (UTC)


Hi MrSativa,

I reverted your edits to HIV, as they appeared to be your own personal synthesis of information, which is prohibited by Wikipedia's policy on original research. There might be room in in the article for criticism of the idea that circumcision reduces HIV transmission, but such criticism needs to be cited to a reliable source that explicitly discusses circumcision and HIV transmission. The article you cited did not mention HIV or AIDS in its discussion or conclusion, and did not mention circumcision at all. (Although it was an interesting article, and I'm glad your edit drew my attention to it.)

Cheers, Adrian J. Hunter(talkcontribs) 04:03, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Hawass and the BMJ article[edit]

You can't use the BMJ article to argue something not in the article - the article doesn't mention Bantu nor draw any conclusions about E1b1a not in the article. Please read WP:NOR. You also should read WP:WORDS. Dougweller (talk) 20:46, 12 October 2013 (UTC)

MrSativa (talk) 06:14, 13 October 2013 (UTC) Dear Doug Weller,

I did no such thing. The fact is that dr. Zahi Hawass signed off on the study in question (his name is at the top of the paper), and the study identifies the haplogroup of Ramses III and his son as E1b1a. The Haplogroup E1b1a is associated with the Bantu Migrations. That does not have to be in the article, it is a generally accepted fact (look at the E1b1a page, or at the Genographic Project). However, the Bantu Migrations are usually dated as starting around 1000 BC, but Ramses III reigned in the 12th century BC. (I would have linked to the Bantu Expansion page, but it is very apartheid era South African in tone.)

I don't understand what conclusions I drew that were not in the article. Haplogroup E1b1a is what it is, and the article states that Ramses III and his son's haplogroup are E1b1a.

No, you are suggesting something that is not in Hawass's article. Why are you even adding this? Dougweller (talk) 20:54, 13 October 2013 (UTC)
MrSativa (talk) 00:24, 14 October 2013 (UTC)Why do you keep removing this information? You assert without proof that "you are suggesting something that is not in Hawass' article". What exactly am I suggesting that is not in the BMJ article?
Um, you made the edit, I've asked you why you are adding it, particular under a section about Hawass and Afrocentrism. Are you going to give me the courtesy of my answer? The article doesn't mention the Bantu.[1] nor does this report of the article[2]. What more proof do you need? That's original research. You can ask about this at WP:NORN if you think policy justifies your edit. Dougweller (talk) 08:08, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
MrSativa (talk) 12:50, 14 October 2013 (UTC)Dear Doug Weller,

Thanks for the extra link. You stated:

" The article doesn't mention the Bantu.[1] nor does this report of the article[2]. "

I think you are unfamiliar with today's DNA, and haplogroups. The article mentions:

" Genetic kinship analyses revealed identical haplotypes in both mummies (table 1.); using the Whit Athey’s haplogroup predictor, we determined the Y chromosomal haplogroup E1b1a. "

It mentions E1b1a. E1b1a is the haplogroup that is associated with the Bantu Expansion. That is not 'my claim', that is the claim of everyone involved in genetics today. That is why I added a source from the Genebase Tutorial, but I could have added information from the Genographic Project, Wikipedia's own E1b1a page, or anything else.

What is E1b1a, other than THE Bantu haplogroup? What is E1b1b, other than the Afro-Asiatic language expansion haplogroup? I'm sorry that you are unaware of these facts.

I quote:

" Genebase Tutorial - Learning Center

" E1b1a (M2) is prevalent throughout Africa, except in North Africa. It peaks in West Africa and is associated with the spread of agriculture or new farming methods by the Bantu to Sub-Saharan and Equatorial Africa regions, where it especially prevalent. The Bantu migration and dispersal of E1b1a (M2) appears to have reached as far as South Africa. "

None of that does anything to show this is not WP:NOR. As I said, you can go to WP:NORN about it. Dougweller (talk) 16:32, 14 October 2013 (UTC)
MrSativa (talk) 04:06, 15 October 2013 (UTC) I quote from the WP:NOR page you referred to: " Wikipedia articles must not contain original research. The phrase "original research" (OR) is used on Wikipedia to refer to material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist.[1] " Are you claiming that no reliable published sources exist for the fact that E1b1a is the haplogroup associated with the Bantu Expansion? Read the Genebase tutorial above. Do you have a source that E1b1a is NOT associated with the Bantu Expansion? I would say I have provided ample links that it is. I don't know what your argument is. Is it that the article doesn't mention E1b1a? Or that E1b1a is not associated with the Bantu Expansion, as the Genebase tutorial states?
You didn't see "Articles may not contain any new analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to advance a position not clearly advanced by the sources themselves."? One source doesn't mention the Bantu, the other doesn't mention Ramses III. Dougweller (talk) 08:38, 15 October 2013 (UTC)
MrSativa (talk) 01:36, 17 October 2013 (UTC) Are you saying that the Hawass article doesn't state that Ramses III and his son are haplogroup E1b1a? Or that the Genebase tutorial doesn't say that E1b1a is associated with the Bantu Expansion? Both positions are "clearly advanced by the sources themselves". The equivalence is mentioning that the sun rises in the east - and also sets in the west. Ramses III is E1b1a, and E1b1a is the haplogroup associated with the Bantu Expansion. That is not new analysis or synthesis, it is merely underlining the obvious.
Then take it to WP:NORN. Dougweller (talk) 15:24, 24 October 2013 (UTC)

October 2013[edit]

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