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NFL Draft section format[edit]

Hey, I saw that you're a contributor to college football articles, so could you leave your opinion here: Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject College football#NFL_Draft_section. I'm trying to get responses. Kobra98 (talk) 05:17, 17 January 2014 (UTC)

Brewery Lists[edit]

I left a comment on IronGargoyle's talk page regarding the breweries of the U.S. It's really getting crazy! I went to Vermont list today to find a particular brewery and add a citation, only to find the entire list gone and also redirected to another page - and the list had been removed from that page as well! Diffs are in my note to the editor who created the situation. I saw your unanswered communication above and wished to inform you that I am very concerned about this and seek consensus. Any ideas? Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:15, 20 January 2014 (UTC)

I'm not sure of the best way to proceed. I was sort of hoping that more people from WikiProject Beer, or editors watching the "List of breweries in Illinois" page, would comment. Maybe that'll still happen. Another idea is to create a Request For Comment. I've done that a few times before, and it's sometimes a good way to get more editors to participate in a discussion. Mudwater (Talk) 01:10, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
I've never dealt with a situation like this on Wiki; the other editor is rigid and inflexible and is losing information by redirecting the lists to the "Brewing in ____" pages as I pointed out for the Vermont page... His reply was that the list didn't seem "long enough" to include. He's got a lot of opinions, but the way he's wiping out the old pages by redirecting them to a different page without any form of consensus seems like a very strange way to get around using the Merge Tags and following that process instead of being a one-man-band and redirecting everything in sight. I never used to give a fig about beer articles and I think I may return to that state of bliss. I have copied out all the information for our local breweries to my home computer to prevent the citations from being lost. I never thought I'd have to back up a Wikipedia article! Ellin Beltz (talk) 16:13, 21 January 2014 (UTC)

A beer for you![edit]

Export hell seidel steiner.png Thanks for donating your time to improve Wikipedia's brewery-related articles. Cheers, Northamerica1000(talk) 17:00, 21 January 2014 (UTC)
@Northamerica1000: Thanks for the feedback, and the beer. Mudwater (Talk) 01:02, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Just started Dave's Picks 9 article[edit]

Greetings. Just to inform you that I just started the Dave's Picks 9 article. TraxPlayer (talk) 23:36, 24 January 2014 (UTC)

@TraxPlayer: Cool. Thanks for letting me know. Mudwater (Talk) 01:03, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

A beer for you![edit]

Export hell seidel steiner.png Thanks for all of the great improvements you have performed at List of breweries in Illinois. Cheers, Northamerica1000(talk) 06:24, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
@Northamerica1000:Thanks for the feedback. It's been a lot of work, but I think it was worth it. Face-smile.svg Mudwater (Talk) 17:10, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Yes, major expansions often take significant time, but it's worth it..."line up a long shot maybe try it two times, maybe more..." Northamerica1000(talk) 20:17, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Play All Night: Live at the Beacon Theatre 1992[edit]

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Speedy deletion declined: Niagrara Falls (Greg Hawkes album)[edit]

Hello Mudwater. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Niagrara Falls (Greg Hawkes album), a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: Not a recently created redirect - consider WP:RfD. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 03:50, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Okay. Thanks for letting me know. Mudwater (Talk) 04:31, 3 March 2014 (UTC)
@Malik Shabazz: I've submitted the redirect to Redirects For Discussion. Feel free to join in the fun, at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2014 March 4#Niagrara Falls (Greg Hawkes album). Mudwater (Talk) 12:35, 4 March 2014 (UTC)
Done. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 15:20, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

An RfC that you may be interested in...[edit]

As one of the previous contributors to {{Infobox film}} or as one of the commenters on it's talk page, I would like to inform you that there has been a RfC started on the talk page as to implementation of previously deprecated parameters. Your comments and thoughts on the matter would be welcomed. Happy editing!

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Talk, please[edit]

Instead of just reverting my edits, twice now, despite my tweaking the wording, could you please discuss, either here or on the Gun laws in the United States by state talk page? We need to find a compromise here. Thanks. Lightbreather (talk) 00:09, 15 March 2014 (UTC)

Weigh in on discussion?[edit]

Hi. Would you care to weigh in on this discussion? It concerns whether a particular review quote should be removed from an article. Dan56 (talk) 11:21, 23 March 2014 (UTC)


There's more meanings to the word "notable" than just those specified in Wikipedia:Notability--the dictionary will tell you that. Thank you, Drmies (talk) 00:36, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

@Drmies: True! Some editors mistakenly think that all article contents must be notable in the Wikipedia sense of the term. Glad to hear that you're not one of them. Mudwater (Talk) 02:58, 29 March 2014 (UTC)
Well, we've both been around the block a few times here. That Sofie is delicious, by the way. Drmies (talk) 03:25, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

Live at Hampton Coliseum[edit]

Greetings follow deadhead,

Very nice work with a lot of Grateful Dead articles ? Can you help with this Live at Hampton Coliseum ?

Regards TraxPlayer (talk) 22:59, 13 April 2014 (UTC)

@TraxPlayer: Greetings! Thanks for the feedback. Right now I'm quite busy with a few things off Wikipedia, so I'm not able to spend as much time as I'd like working on articles. But I'm still here some of the time, so I can probably help with a "Live at Hampton Coliseum" article. I have several suggestions about this. (1) When you create an article about an album, or about anything, it's a very good idea to have several reliable, third-party references to use for footnotes. Good references make an article much better. And also, if an article doesn't have any references, other editors might question whether the subject of the article meets the notability guidelines. (2) If you look here, at the redirect for the album, you will see two references that can be used. In my opinion that would be adequate. But another approach would be to wait until after the album is released and see if there are more references to use after that. I think either way would be okay in this case. (3) If you want to you can work on an article for a while before you actually create it, by editing it on your user page, or an a sub-page of your user page. That's what I do, but some people prefer not to do it that way, which is okay too. (4) If you have any questions, just post them here in this section of my talk page. I'll respond here with a "notification" to you as I've done with this post. Mudwater (Talk) 23:38, 13 April 2014 (UTC)
Also, this may be "too much information", but in case you're interested, you will find the Album Article Style Guide at MOS:ALBUM. Mudwater (Talk) 02:16, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you very much for useful suggestion and information. TraxPlayer (talk) 06:56, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

@TraxPlayer:This evening, inspiration struck, and I felt compelled to create the Live at Hampton Coliseum article. Feel free to improve it if you can. Thanks. Mudwater (Talk) 01:09, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Grateful Dead and Counterculture[edit]

Yeah, your description nailed it. Thanks!Learner001 (talk) 23:08, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

You might dig this: Learner001 (talk) 14:54, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Nice, thanks. Seen this? Mudwater (Talk) 22:22, 15 April 2014 (UTC)
Wow, what a great article, and a fantastic resource for any number of pages! Thanks so much for sharing! Learner001 (talk) 13:07, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

CSA flag.[edit]

Could you help out at the CSA info box flag? I'm at three reverts for the unsourced, never seen, unfabricated "Blood-stained-banner" 3d National Flag of the neo-Confederates. TheVirginiaHistorian (talk) 08:24, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Notice of duplicated material[edit]

While working on another article today, I became aware that there is a newer article that duplicates all/part of the section of an older article. If of interest, please discuss at Talk:Bullet button. Lightbreather (talk) 17:25, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for that[edit]

Sorry. I thought the person I reverted was adding folk. I misread it and reverted him. Thanks for cleaning up my mess. I wasn't trying to add it. I was trying to remove it. Which it didn't need to be, because it was being removed and not added. Moral of the story: I'm a complete idiot, and need to thank you for cleaning up my idiocy. --Jayron32 18:49, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

It's wasn't idiocy, but I was pretty sure that your edit was inadvertent, if that's the right word. So, glad I could help out, and thanks for the note. Mudwater (Talk) 19:16, 3 May 2014 (UTC)

File:PowerglideInsert.jpeg listed for deletion[edit]

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:PowerglideInsert.jpeg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. —Justin (koavf)TCM 04:00, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Response to Changes to List of Illinois Breweries[edit]

Thanks for all of your work on the List of Illinois Breweries page. I recently added three that were deleted or moved and I wanted to have a philosophical discussion about how we're defining a "brewery". The three breweries in question were Forbidden Root (currently brewing and serving their beer at various locations, but without a storefront of their own), Imperial Oak Brewing (opened for business this past weekend in Willow Springs), and Transient Artisan Ales (a "gypsy brewer" for now).

For Forbidden Root and others that may not have a storefront or taproom open yet they are serving and/or distributing beer, when do they warrant an entry? I guess this opens up a broader question that I've been thinking about: Shouldn't the page have a fourth column for those brewers that are in production and distributing/serving but may not be bottling/canning nor have a physical storefront/taproom/brewpub? I think Imperial Oak should be added back to the list, as they soft-opened this weekend, with a grand opening planned for 5/31. Check out my Instagram account (@tnawara) if you want to see a picture of their taproom from this weekend. And I guess Transient can be in a special category, but couldn't they just as easily fit into the same category as my first point? Chris is one of the hottest brewers in Chicago these days, with rave reviews at many festivals and pairing dinners at several restaurants - I'm not sure it matters that he happens to brew on other's equipment. Mikkeller?

Once again, thanks for your attention to this page. I know the Midwest brewing scene pretty well, but I'm a relative newbie at Wikipedia editing, so go easy on me.

Tnawara (talk) 05:58, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

@Tnawara: Thanks for the note, and also thanks for the information. Although the article is "List of breweries in Illinois", I think that currently active commercial brewers that do not have their own brewery should still be listed in the article, so I've put Transient and Forbidden Root into the "Other beer companies" section of the article. And since Imperial Oak is actually open for business now, I put them back in the main "Breweries" list. I'd be glad to discuss this further here, but it would actually be better to take this discussion over to the talk page of the article. That way it's a lot more likely that other interested editors would see the conversation, and comment with their own opinions. I would therefore request that you read Talk:List of breweries in Illinois#Planned breweries and Talk:List of breweries in Illinois#Other beer companies, where I've made several posts about all this, and comment there, if you want to. But if you have any general questions about editing Wikipedia, just post them here on my talk page, and I'll answer them if I can. Thanks again. Mudwater (Talk) 23:27, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

A long and winding road... for a foreigner ;-)[edit]

Thanks a lot for your kind explanation following my what request in ABB at Fillmore East album. So I realise know is a noun here, directly linked to roads, and the possessive case would have helped me ... should I be neither too exacting nor too old-fashioned ;-) --Bibliorock (talk) 03:45, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

@Bibliorock:You're welcome. These things can be confusing even to a native speaker. It reminds me of the newspaper story headlines that I sometimes see, where a word can be understood as either a verb or a noun. For example, "Campaign Contribution Limits Face Test". That means that limits to campaign contributions are facing a test, but it can also be interpreted to mean that a campaign contribution caused the test of a face to be limited. Face-smile.svg. Mudwater (Talk) 11:52, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Soliciting comment...[edit]

Hi! Would you care to review my FA nomination for the article Of Human Feelings? The article is about a jazz album by Ornette Coleman. If not, feel free to ignore this message. Cheers! Dan56 (talk) 03:49, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

@Dan56:Thanks for the note. That article looks great. If I get a chance, I'll read through it, and see if I can make any modest improvements or copy edits. But I'm afraid I won't have time to do a full-blown FA review. I appreciate the invitation though. Mudwater (Talk) 11:55, 18 July 2014 (UTC)

Dave's Picks 11[edit]

Hi, thanks for adding Dave's Picks 11. Just curious-- how did you get the info on it already? Numkinface (talk) 19:10, 21 July 2014 (UTC)Numkinface

@Numkinface:Three days ago, people who bought a subscription to the 2014 Dave's Picks albums got an email from reminding them to send their updated mailing address if they had moved. The email casually mentioned the date and venue of the Volume 11 concert. I noticed this on a few discussion forums, when googling "Dave's Picks Volume 11". Examples are here and here. Usually makes a more formal announcement, and that gets picked up and reported by some reliable third-party sites that can be used as references for the album article. I'm not sure why they haven't done that yet. "P.S." As you can see I moved your post, here on my user talk page -- it's customary to add new sections at the bottom of a talk page for a user or article. See WP:TALKNEW. Mudwater (Talk) 22:46, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Ed Thrasher[edit]

Hello. Did you create the Ed Thrasher page? Thanks - I'm his son. -Jeff. Hollywood on bicycle (talk) 19:20, 24 July 2014 (UTC)

@Hollywood on bicycle: Greetings, and welcome to Wikipedia. You can see who created the Ed Thrasher article by going to that page, and then clicking on the View History tab, near the upper right. That will show you the complete edit history for the article, including the first edit, which is the creation of the article. And for a good overview of things like that, and how to edit articles, see the Wikipedia:Tutorial. Also, if you have more questions, feel free to post them here in this section of my user talk page. Mudwater (Talk) 00:24, 25 July 2014 (UTC)