User talk:Muffinator

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I've noticed that some editors have an itchy trigger finger when it comes to the undo button. If I make ten different changes in the same edit and you revert it because you don't like one of them, I'm going to revert your revert. Even if you're right about the one change, undoing the other nine is disruptive. If you don't have time to make one change manually, you don't have time for a content dispute.


If you post on my talk page, I will reply on my talk page, so please watchlist it. I do not use the talkback template.

If I post on your talk page, I have watchlisted it, so whether you reply here or there, I will see it either way.


I do not archive this talk page. Most comments will eventually be deleted.

Barnstar[edit]

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To Muffinator, for a well-reasoned argument advocating the phrase "autistic person". Axl ¤ [Talk] 10:22, 7 May 2014 (UTC)

Person-first language[edit]

Hi Muffinator. Thanks for the barnstar, which I've move to my talk page and replied there, saying that of course you may quote me outside WP. Your contributions on Talk:Autism were very helpful to my understanding of this whole area. Regards, --Stfg (talk) 19:27, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Autistic person v person with autism[edit]

I saw your comments on the disability talk page and read them to my autistic son. He agrees with you, and (without reading your comment about the term used as a noun) brought up the fact that he considers it's use like that offensive and compared it to looking at someone on the street and referring to the as black to define them. Ian Furst (talk) 02:02, 1 June 2014 (UTC)

Ludwig Wittgenstein[edit]

Hi Muffinator. What's the rationale for adding this article to WikiProject Autism? Forgive me if I thought this had something to do with article content. I see there is that one ref:Fitzgerald, Michael. "Did Ludwig Wittgenstein have Asperger's syndrome?", European Child & Adolescent Psychiatry, volume 9, number 1, pp. 61–65. Four pages in a rather specialist journal, 14 years ago? You seem to be on a bit of a mission.Martinevans123 (talk) 09:17, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Even though the article Ludwig Wittgenstein does not mention autism, he is listed in Retrospective diagnoses of autism. Therefore, it is reasonable to expect the topic of autism to come up in that article in the foreseeable future. If and when that happens, members of WikiProject Autism will want to be aware of it so they can help to ensure the quality of changes. Muffinator (talk) 09:20, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Well, that's a surprise, as I would not consider Fitzgerald's single 2000 paper as "a diagnosis", even when backed up by Attwood and James. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:27, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
A retrospective diagnosis is always going to be on more questionable grounds than a current or prospective one. That is probably why the diagnosis is not considered notable enough to give weight the biographical article, only in the list that is specifically about retrospective diagnoses. Of course, for anyone who died before 1943 or even some years after, the only possible diagnosis of autism is a retrospective one. Muffinator (talk) 09:35, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
I should add, although this is purely my opinion and not used to justify in-article content, that a diagnosis is not really necessary, whether by a friend, a doctor, or even oneself. Autism is merely a label used to identify a heavily correlated set of behaviors and experiences, caused by a neurological phenomenon that we don't yet know much about. Therefore, anyone who behaves in accordance with the psychological profile of autism is necessarily autistic, just as a diagnosis of allism is accepted without any input from a psychologist or even the allistic person. Muffinator (talk) 09:44, 2 August 2014 (UTC)
Please don't add people from the retrospective list to the project - in many cases their inclusion there is on very shaky grounds, and as you point out the "diagnosis" is not typically included in the biographical article. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:55, 2 August 2014 (UTC)

Talkback[edit]

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Talkback[edit]

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Response to WikiProject Autism Invite[edit]

Thanks for your note. I've responded on my talk page. -User:MiscGezork


RE: "Invitation: WikiProject Autism"[edit]

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Jacob Barnett[edit]

Re my edit to Jacob Barnett that you thanked me for, it has been reverted despite that fact that it was not opposed on the talk page when I put it there. I am going to take it to an authoritative source. Viewfinder (talk) 22:29, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

The editor who reverted that had a valid reason regarding the source being inappropriate to justify it. I put it back with an edit summary pointing out that the 60 Minutes story is appropriate and reliable. Muffinator (talk) 22:32, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
There are so many sources, including the earlier Skeptic source. Let's hope it sticks this time. Viewfinder (talk) 22:36, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
See Talk:Jacob_Barnett for my position on the Skeptic source. David Eppstein has conceded that he misrepresented it. I only sought another source because another editor was objecting to the use of Skeptic. Viewfinder (talk) 23:00, 10 August 2014 (UTC)

Apologies[edit]

I saw "This user is autistic" wholly three times on your user page. How was I to know that you don't mean it?? I can apologize for "misunderstanding", if you like, but I thought those labels spoke for themselves. If those user-boxes are just meant as examples or something, please add some text to that effect in that section! Thanks, Hordaland (talk) 17:28, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

"This user is neurotypical" is also in that list, which is contradictory to autistic. That is just a list of userboxes that I created. Muffinator (talk) 17:32, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Topic ban[edit]

Despite your good intentions to help in the topic of Autism, your argumentative and aggressive approach to other editors has led to a conclusion that your behavior is disruptive and the decision that it is necessary to topic ban you from all articles and talk pages related to autism. You may appeal this decision at any time to a community noticeboard or Arbcom, but it is recommended you wait at least 6 months. Any edits to articles or talk pages about autism, or sections about autism in articles about other subjects, will lead to escalating blocks.--v/r - TP 21:29, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

This is totally frivolous. I am appealing it immediately. Muffinator (talk) 21:41, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
Sorry about the topic ban. It appears to have something to do with some wiki-project issue, I don't really know how these work so I can't comment on that. Hope to come across you again some time. Viewfinder (talk) 00:04, 12 August 2014 (UTC)

Your submission at AfC Autism cure movement was accepted[edit]

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Autism cure movement, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.
The article has been assessed as C-Class, which is recorded on the article's talk page. You may like to take a look at the grading scheme to see how you can improve the article.

You are more than welcome to continue making quality contributions to Wikipedia. Note that because you are a logged-in user, you can create articles yourself, and don't have to post a request. However, you may continue submitting work to Articles for Creation if you prefer.

Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia!

Grognard 123chess456 (talk) 22:15, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Your submission at AfC Spoon theory was accepted[edit]

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Thank you for helping improve Wikipedia!

Grognard 123chess456 (talk) 22:18, 11 August 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Medical model of autism for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Medical model of autism is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Medical model of autism until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Holdek (talk) 02:32, 12 August 2014 (UTC)