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John Cline
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Happy New Year to all[edit]

Be well!—John Cline (talk) 02:19, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

Happy New Year John Cline![edit]

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Happy New Year!
Hello John Cline:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve the encyclopedia for Wikipedia's readers, and have a happy and enjoyable New Year! Cheers, Northamerica1000(talk) 07:06, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

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Thank you Northamerica1000, I happened to see quite a roster of good cheer you set about Wikipedia's community. I certainly appreciate seeing your sentiments here. It becomes more special, to me; seeing myself within such a grouping. While it was clear to me you were posting to Wikipedians of high esteem, I did not anticipate myself included. Even as an anomaly, it feels good. Thank you again.—John Cline (talk) 18:51, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

A personalized New Year greeting[edit]

Hope you have a bright 2014! Acalamari 11:42, 1 January 2014 (UTC)
Hi John Cline, Happy New Year! I'd like to say that I see your name around often and appreciate the good work you do. :) Best. Acalamari 11:42, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

I appreciate your generous kindness. I endeavor giving here; but every effort I strive returns dividends of greater proportion to me. I hope it won't be envied one day; that I've gained so much—being here. Sincerely—John Cline (talk) 18:51, 1 January 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 01 January 2014[edit]

Category:Magnates, moguls, and tycoons of the world[edit]

Category:Magnates, moguls, and tycoons of the world, which you created, has been nominated for possible deletion, merging, or renaming. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Macrakis (talk) 15:16, 5 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, I have posted there.—John Cline (talk) 00:19, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello. Perhaps you have some ideas about how this category could be sharpened into something more objective? (I don't think the deletion discussion is the place to talk that over...) I'm still not clear about the intent. Is it about fame? about influence? about personal wealth? about control of a large company? To take the modern computer industry as an example, where would you draw the line? I assume that Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, and Larry Ellison would qualify under all three criteria. But how about, say, Mitch Kapor (founder of Lotus), Charles B. Wang (founder of CA), Nolan Bushnell (founder of Atari), Ken Olsen (founder of Digital/DEC), Gordon Bell (DEC), An Wang (founder of Wang), Azim Premji (WiPro), .... And presumably influential people who don't control a large corporation don't count, regardless of how influential they are: Tim Berners-Lee, Jay Forrester, ... How about, say, Paul Allen, who made his money from Microsoft, but no longer has an important role there... --Macrakis (talk) 00:39, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello Macrakis, I started this category because I felt Category:Robber barons was a POV categorization of industrial power brokers normally considered a magnate of their field. I added some articles so the category would not be empty, and probably shouldn't have added J. Wales, though I believe history will measure him as "an Internet magnate" for his influential role.

Otherwise, we have hundreds of article subjects who are called magnate in the article's lead,[1] often disambiguated in the title by "(magnate)".[2] This manner of disambiguation is predominately supported in verifiable reliable sources.[3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14] The term is loosely defined: "A powerful or influential person, especially in business or industry"[15] and therefor, subject to wp:or and misapplication. Enforcing wp:rs however, though cumbersome, is not impossible and would afford for discriminating who belongs in the category. It is disingenuous to suggest it is not possible to source the designation to reliable secondary sources; as many have suggested.

Anyway, I nominated Category:Robber barons for deletion, and no longer care if a more suitable category exists. If you and I had discussed this away from cfd, I would have emptied the category and nominated it {{db-g7}} myself, avoiding the public humiliation that generally ensues deletion discussions—where people can not seem to resist inflaming emotions, as they destroy whatever might have been done of good faith; injecting their own callousness at the slightest opportunity. Like suggesting I made the term up for example; as one kindly opined.

It's disquieting, to me, that one, (who is regular at xfd), can suggest I invented a term that predates my birth and will undoubtedly, endure beyond the span of my life, yet remain in the bosom of grace. Thank you for demonstrating here your own good intentions, by the empathy present in your question. Best regards.—John Cline (talk) 02:12, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Duck Dynasty[edit]

If you used your eyes and actually read the CNN article: You would see where it says: Outrage and support The NAACP and the Human Rights Campaign wrote a joint letter to the president of A&E expressing "outrage and deep concern about the recent racist, homophobic, and ill-informed remarks made by Phil Robertson." READING IS FUNDAMENTAL or do a Control key-F and type racist in your browser--Ron John (talk) 15:28, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

You just reverted a null edit of mine, nice! What you placed in the lead said Robertson was suspended over remarks widely-reported in the media as "anti-gay" and "racist". His suspension had nothing to do with racism, and the joint letter was not "widely-reported". The matter is discussed in the article but not in the context of his suspension. This edit of yours is so wrong it has to be a mistake. I'll give you a few minutes to fix it yourself, or I'll have to remove it as a crayon entry.—John Cline (talk) 15:44, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Management Information Systems page[edit]

I was trying to rename the page


Is it possible to do it as this is how it is supposed to be. Thanks.

It is possible, yes; but it is not proper. The current title follows Wikipedia's naming conventions for article titles, in particular: Only the first letter is capitalized, (with few exceptions), and subsequent words are not capitalized unless they would be in normal running text in an article. Also titles are given in singular form. You can review WP:TITLEFORMAT for more information. The correct manner to rename an article, if it is appropriate, is to move the page to the new title, never blank one page and copy the text to another. This is called a "cut and paste move" and it causes the loss of the article history; necessary for attribution. WP:MOVE has more information on that. Cheers—John Cline (talk) 16:58, 9 January 2014 (UTC)

Max Kaur[edit]

I have restored the article on Max Kaur and corrected all of the mistakes. Steve Pereira from Mediation Committee send me a message. "Steve Pereira <> 29.11.13


The Committee doesn't decide on content. The Max Kaur article was deleted in 2008 following an AfD it which it was decided that the subject did not meet Wikipedia's content inclusion criteria relating to notability.

Though that article was deleted, a new article may be created if there are reliable sources which reasonably establish the subject's notability, and if the new article uses those sources and expands on the article which had been deleted. "

I think everything is good right now.


Taevakodu 10.01.14 (19.26) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Taevakodu (talkcontribs) 17:27, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

Okay; good luck.—John Cline (talk) 17:29, 10 January 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 08 January 2014[edit]

quick Q[edit]

Hi..sorry for complaining at you. Aside, what do you mean by "pinged through the notification process"? It's always disturbed me that we have to keep track of every page we might get a response from. Is there some way to be notified when people post responses to your entries? It should be like email notification as far as I'm concerned... thanks Squish7 (talk) 04:53, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Squish7; although no apology is necessary, I appreciate your kind sentiments. Regarding notifications, Wikipedia:Notifications explains the user mention feature which alerts a user whenever another user mentions their name on any Wikipedia talk page. The {{ping}} template may be used or regular wiki-markup, like: [[User:Squish7|Squish7]], as long as it actively links to the mentioned user. For example, my mentioning you here should have produced a notification for you, and that is what I was referring to. I hope this explanation helps, feel free to inquire further if ever I can be of help to you. Cheers—John Cline (talk) 06:58, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

Ariel Sharon article[edit]

Ariel Sharon's page doesn't mention his death at all. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 08:39, 12 January 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 15 January 2014[edit]

This week's article for improvement[edit]

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An animal-head post found in the Oseberg vikingship, an example of Nordic art

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Category:DYK/Talk pages[edit]

Hi John, what is this category intended to categorise? It is empty, and nothing links to it. John Vandenberg (chat) 01:28, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for inquiring here regarding this matter. The category is a remnant of a failed endeavor from last year. I will have it deleted. Thanks again.—John Cline (talk) 02:05, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 22 January 2014[edit]

Move like this[edit]

I liked your "special in its own way", - one link goes to "awesomely weird". - Did you see that miss Elen also? (my user page, look for "facts") --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:49, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Did you know that a blue duck attacks the German Main page right now? - had to happen on the 28th ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:52, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

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The Low Countries as seen from space

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Consensus on the correct spelling of Dodonpachi[edit]

Hello, you're invited to vote and express your views about this on the discussion topic. Jotamide (talk) 22:04, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

Invitation to WikiProject Mass surveillance[edit]

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The life sciences involve the study of living organisms

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The Signpost: 29 January 2014[edit]


A proposal has been made to create a Live Feed to enhance the processing of Articles for Creation and Drafts. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/RfC to create a 'Special:NewDraftsFeed' system. Your comments are welcome. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:35, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for this courteous notification, and thoughtful invitation. I am interested; and will review the RfC shortly. Best regards.—John Cline (talk) 07:15, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Jazmín Chebar[edit]

Hey there - what can I help with? I did see the AFD, but thought it seemed pretty safe following the arguments and after I saw it was kept, wasn't too worried. Mabalu (talk) 11:47, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

I apologize for missing this somehow. Thank you for replying. I had reached a similar conclusion and was simply interested on your opinion. If you have any better sources to add, that would help, but I am not adding any {{cn}} tags, either way. Cheers.—John Cline (talk) 08:05, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

My recent edit to Septuagint article[edit]

I disagree with your reversion. My edit was not POV, it just needs a source or two (not my strong suit). If you search the subject on the Web, it will be obvious that there are no shortage of fundamentalist Protestants for whom Biblical Inerrancy is everything, both KJV only and not, who disparage the LXX as errant, even though the evidence that early Christians relied upon it is irrefutable. And there is a strong correlation between Protestant Fundamentalism and KJV preference. Logically, the doctrine can only stand to suffer from the scholarly evidence that the apostles did not primarily rely on the Masoretic manuscripts the KJV was translated from.

Is there one credible scholar, that you can name, whose opinion it is that the apostles only used the Hebrew OT text? Would love to know of even one.

Ultimately, it seems virtually impossible to use the term "Fundamentalist" on WP, not because it doesn't apply or isn't a category without a basis in reality, but because it has such a pejorative flavor. If you know of a better named category for the people whom I am referring to, let me know.

In any event, I would like some sort of reply. (talk) 04:41, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

I am reviewing the matter, and will reply in full, very soon. Thank you.—John Cline (talk) 04:46, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
I reverted, and rely on you to massage that into something that is fully non-POV (I understand it doesn't look perfectly tactful as-is, even if it is factual). I'm done with this one; the reason I never signed up on Wikipedia is because I never wanted to fall into another edit war. (talk) 04:50, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
Without seeing the source that you use to attribute the statements away from Wikipedia; attributing them to the reliable source stating these things, there's nothing proactive that I can do to improve the encyclopedic presentation of this information. Nevertheless, I will not revert your change, but suspect another editor will, if they haven't already. Cheers.—John Cline (talk) 05:05, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

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This staircase is an impossible object

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Thank you[edit]

Greetings, although my ban will likely be initiated soon (or sent up to Arbcom) I just wanted to take a moment in my last edits here to thank you for your oppose of my ban. Good luck and happy editing. Kumioko (talk) 03:14, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you Kumioko; I will hold these sentiments in high esteem—and unequivocally extenuate that it is more proper for me to be thanking you! Please keep in touch, even if by email alone. And let's refine a massive countermeasure to crush these minions who serve slander in perpetuity. I am interested in channeling your abundant energy to laser precision, to achieve redress. I am incensed that the same people consistently resurface in one after the other of these specious discussions to attack an editor, while celebrating their own impotence by having a good faith editor banned—the only thing they have ever but soon will never again be able to do. What do you think; are you ready to improve Wikipedia with a capital "I"?—John Cline (talk) 04:39, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

Your recent post on AN[edit]

Hi there, John. I've removed your most recent post to AN. Asking for another user's password, whether seriously, jokingly, or to make some sort of point, is entirely inappropriate and, frankly, could lead to you being blocked by someone more trigger-happy who suspects malfeasance on your part. Please don't do something like that again; account security is taken very, very seriously around here. A fluffernutter is a sandwich! (talk) 16:08, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

That is a fair admonition, I had an uneasy feeling about doing it and shouldn't have. I guess there's truth about editing with a freshly blown mind. It is definitely a bad idea for me. It is good to see you as it's been a little while since we crossed paths. This won't happen again. Cheers.—John Cline (talk) 16:35, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

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The Signpost: 26 February 2014[edit]

Regarding the Lupita Nyong'o article[edit]

I correctly updated her bio to 'a Kenyan-Mexican actress' instead of the (inaccurate) 'a Mexican-born Kenyan actress.' The former implies she has both citizenships (which she does), while the latter implies she only has Kenyan citizenship. You inappropriately removed my updated and reverted it back to the incorrect information. Cheers.

Can you reply here as to why you are making these changes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 06:59, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Mexican citizenship is conferred to someone "born in Mexico"; so I disagree that a "Mexican-born Kenyan" implies only Kenyan citizenship. Nevertheless, the version of February 3, which I reverted, only says: "Kenyan actress"; so indeed I was mistaken for reverting you. May I suggest you use the edit summary to summarize your edits which will help myself and others avoid mistakes like this. In any regard, I apologize for my mistake. Cheers.—John Cline (talk) 07:10, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Lupita has not indicated that she has Mexican citizenship. Just because someone is born in a country does not automatically mean he/she is a is a citizen of that country. In countries that grant citizenship to people born there, if the parents are foreigners then is up to the parents to claim it for their child. With the other editors lofic it would mean that Senator John McCain is Panamanian. There is no record of her being a Mexican national, in all her interviews she states she is Kenyan. She the article can not say she is a Mexican when there is no proof. ip claims that she has both citizenship's but there is no proof of this. (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 07:29, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

You make a valid point. Personally, I like "Mexican-born Kenyan" because it is accurate, and verifiable in reliable sources. I suggest starting a discussion on the article talk page to reach a consensus on this matter, and I ask that you and the other editor stop reverting each other to force one version over the other. best regards.—John Cline (talk) 07:43, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Lupita Nyong'o herself has clarified that she indeed has both Kenyan and Mexican citizenships. [16]

"Nací en la Ciudad de México, y antes de cumplir un año me llevaron a Kenia, donde crecí. Mi padre tuvo un trabajo (como diplomático y profesor) allí, y por eso mi acta de nacimiento dice que soy mexicana, tengo ambas nacionalidades... Claro que me llamo así por ella (la Virgen de Guadalupe)", detalló en la conversación. Y jamás ha perdido el contacto con sus raíces.

"Cuando empecé la preparatoria, mis padres me enviaron a México a estudiar español y lo aprendí muy bien..."

("I was born in Mexico City, and before turning one I was taken to Kenya, where I grew up. My father had a job (as a diplomat and professor) there, and that is why my birth certificate says I am Mexican; I have both citizenships... Of course I am named after her (the Virgin of Guadalupe)," she declared in the coversation. And she has never lost touch with her roots. "When I started high school, my parents sent me to Mexico to study Spanish and I learned it very well...")

"Foo Dynasty" or "Foo dynasty"?[edit]

There's an RFC here. Taekwondo Panda (talk) 07:57, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

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Because it is so vast, there are a large number of different cultures involved in Prehistoric Asia

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kindama and the deer[edit]

Hi, this is straight from the Mahabharat, Adi Parva “I was engaged in sexual intercourse with this deer, because my feelings of modesty did not permit me to indulge in such an act in human society. In the form of a deer I rove in the deep woods in the company of other deer” (Adi Parva, Chapter 118) — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 12:13, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

I apologize. I reverted your edit more for what you removed, unexplained, than what you added. Feel free to reinstate the quoted text but please explain content you remove.—John Cline (talk) 12:21, 7 March 2014 (UTC)

(test) The Signpost: 05 March 2014[edit]

Outing claim[edit]

You removed this edit from User talk:Jimbo Wales at 07:04, 9 March 2014, and stated (diff), "If the suppression request is declined, I'll restore the content myself". As the diff is still visible, it appears that the suppression request has been declined. Have you restored the edit? Johnuniq (talk) 22:27, 10 March 2014 (UTC)

Since there appears to be no oversight imminent, I ask now that you honor your promise to restore the material to Jimbo's talk page. Hell might be other people (talk) 14:45, 11 March 2014 (UTC)
Yes I will. I apologize for causing this inconvenience.—John Cline (talk) 07:21, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much for honoring your word. Hell might be other people (talk) 11:51, 12 March 2014 (UTC)
Thank you for honoring my word. You could not have been a more wonderful colleague.—John Cline (talk) 12:06, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

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Stan Walker[edit]

I'm wondering why you deleted the picture I added to Stan Walker's musical influence of Beyoncé. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaknowitall (talkcontribs) 20:08, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Hello Gaknowitall. The edit I reverted was this one where you changed the caption to assert that "Beyoncé is Walker's biggest inspiration". That is an exceptional claim that should cite a reference for verification. The picture itself does not seem problematic to me and it should be fine if you add it back, without the non-neutral caption. Thank you for inquiring this of me, and I appreciate your understanding. Cheers.—John Cline (talk) 06:21, 26 March 2014 (UTC)

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An April Fools' Day hoax marking the construction of the Copenhagen Metro in 2001.

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Taee Rashad'[edit]

Taee Rashad' Is Singer , Rapper & Actor From Saginaw Michigan Signed Too Too Dope Gang Music Group In 2013 , He Is Recording His Debut Album Taee Rashad In 2015 But Is Alson Working On A Mixtape "Flippin Dolphins" — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 02:42, 4 April 2014 (UTC)

Comment from[edit]

John, I disagree greatly with your revision of my edit about Mr. White.

"A dedicated connoisseur of teenage girls." Teenage girls are not fine wine (maybe they are to you).

According to federal law, if you have sex with underage girls, you are committing rape. I question your integrity and consider your writing here biased and morally reprehensible.

My well-founded description of Mr. White's predilection as taking advantage of teenage girls is decidedly too forgiving.

See Uruburu's American Eve for proof of his, yes, rape of women. This is one of several sources that allege his activities. I demand proof on your part that he did not rape women.— Preceding unsigned comment added by (talkcontribs) 16:31, 5 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you for inquiring here of these matters. It is unfortunate when one edit is reverted for policy based reasons only to find the restored text is equally problematic. Normally I catch these occurrences but it seems this example got past my scrutiny. Considering that you've already deemed me "morally reprehensible", I doubt further explanation will accomplish anything positive. Instead I bid thee adieu.—John Cline (talk) 00:53, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

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Don't miss one of my pictures in this edition ;) - DYK that the pictured church is named for the first union between Lutheran and Reformed protestants in Germany, and known for 38 paintings of the Rubens school? - I am busy with the St John Passion structure. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:14, 7 April 2014 (UTC)

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Lobamba is the traditional and legislative capital of Swaziland.

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