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L.A. event on Tuesday, January 20[edit]

Wik-Ed Women editing session (1/20, 6-10pm)

Dear fellow Wikipedian,

Please join us at an event this coming Tuesday: the third Wik-Ed Women editing session will take place on January 20 from 6pm to 10pm at the Los Angeles Contemporary Archive downtown. This series of informal get-togethers is designed to encourage Los Angeles women-in-the-arts (though all are welcome!) to contribute their expertise to Wikipedia, specifically expanding content about women artists. Please RSVP here if you plan to attend.

I hope to see you there! Calliopejen1 (talk) - via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 23:06, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

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Focus on the Family[edit]

Edit was reverted due to the IP editor being suspected as a sockpuppet who has a COMMBAN on them and as part of a WP:RBI; that was the main reason for the reversion. Nate (chatter) 17:50, 28 January 2015 (UTC)

LA edit-a-thons on February 14, 17, and 21[edit]

Redondo Loves Wikipedia (2/14), Wik-Ed Women (2/17), and Unforgetting LA at the Getty (2/21)!
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Dear fellow Wikipedian,

The LA Wikipedia community has three events in mid-February -- please consider attending!

First, we have a Valentine's Day edit-a-thon appropriately named Redondo Loves Wikipedia, which will take place at the Redondo Beach Public Library from 10am to 1pm on Saturday, February 14. Join library staff, the Redondo Beach Historical Society, and others to help improve Wikipedia's coverage of Redondo Beach!

Second, we have a Wik-Ed Women editing session on Tuesday, February 17 from 6pm to 10pm at the Los Angeles Contemporary Archive downtown. This series of informal get-togethers is designed to encourage Los Angeles women-in-the-arts (though all are welcome!) to contribute their expertise to Wikipedia, specifically expanding content about women artists.

Third, we have an Unforgetting LA event put on by East of Borneo in collaboration with the Getty Research Institute. Come help improve Wikipedia's coverage of LA design and architecture, and have an awesome free day at the museum -- parking will be validated for edit-a-thon participants! If you'd like to use particular books from GRI's great collection, be sure to email before 2/13 (instructions at event page).

And be sure to check out our main meetup page, because we already have three SoCal events scheduled for early March!

I hope to see you there! Calliopejen1 (talk) - via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 18:58, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

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Understand your reasons for the deletion, I am the founder which was made clear on the earlier post releasing copyright information to Wikipedia. Not sure what to do to make this company eligible for a Wikipedia Page. Currently Corporation has an exhibit at the Villa Antigua Border Heritage Museum, 810 Zaragoza Street, from January 21 – February 24, 2015. “America’s Four Republics: The More or Less United States,” for Washington's Birthday Celebration, which is just one of 16 that we have done in the past four years. List includes Carnegie Institute, Clara Barton House, Fort Pitt Museum, James Madison's Montpelier, James Monroe Foundation's Birthplace, MGM Grand Las Vegas Hotel, National Collegiate Conference, NY Hilton Hotel, Smithsonian "The American Presidency: A Glorious Burden”; Thomas Jefferson's Monticello, Waldorf=Astoria, DNC & RNC Conventions, LA, VA, WV, & U.S. Capitol exhibitions, New Orleans Mint and a host of Universities and Colleges. Perhaps this talk page will generate some interest in someone putting-up a Corporation page since I have been deemed ineligible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stas.klos (talkcontribs) 18:26, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

I am replying on the posting user's talk page. --Nat Gertler (talk) 18:35, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

Top Ten Comics[edit]

Nat, as discussed in earlier posts our company, exhibits U.S. History primary sources all across the United States. I learned to read on comics and we have been exploring the idea of exhibiting significant comic works that once produced, the course of the United States History was changed. I would be interested in your short list of outstanding comic works that changed the course of history. Thank youStas.klos (talk) 19:46, 11 February 2015 (UTC)

A tricky question, and I will not claim to be a specialist in American history (I would have a much easier time listing comics that had a significant impact on the field of comics than on the wider world in general). Plus, part of the question comes down to definition of "comics". With those caveats, and quickly off the top of my head (I do have deadlines looming):
  • If your definition of "comics" covers political cartoons, then we have to look at things where political cartoon symbology helped simplify or clarify a conversation. With that, we'd be looking at things like Benjamin Franklin's Join, or Die and the cartoons of Thomas Nast, looking particularly at the Tammany Hall work for immediate political impact, as well as the lasting symbology of the Republican elephant and his take on Santa Claus (although with Claus, there's obviously a longer, convoluted story to how America got that view on it.)
  • Mad Magazine, which changed the nation's viewpoint by having a very cynical, very critical comic book read by the younger set (in its wider sense, including the college folks), predating and arguably paving the way for That Was The Week That Was, The National Lampoon, Saturday Night Live, and so forth.
  • Action Comics #1, for introduction of the superhero (arguably not the first superhero, but this was clearly the one that had an impact); the cultural impact of that today can easily be noted simply by looking at recent box office records. The launch of Superman also gave an internationally-recognized symbol with a particularly American bent to it - it is, at base, the tale of an assimilating immigrant to our... I was about to say "shores", but he managed to skip the shores and land straight in Kansas.
  • "The Yellow Kid" for introducing the ongoing newspaper comic strip.
  • "Peanuts" had an obvious huge impact on the comic strip (any humor strip of the past 50 years that isn't influenced by Peanuts would have to be specifically and intentionally avoiding that influence) and has earned a place as a lens through which we view other things (how many political discussion are couched in such phrases as pulling the football away?) It obviously has plenty of direct leaks into other media, into our space program and such, although it can be argued that much of that is more decorative than actually changing matters.
I'd best get back to meeting some writing deadlines; I hope that that provided at least part of what you were looking for. --Nat Gertler (talk) 20:58, 11 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your hard work here, exactly what I was looking for and a foundation for a great exhibit. How do you distinguish between political cartoon types? - i.e. A Cartoon by Mad ( versus the ones found in newspapers ( versus Superman capturing Hitler ( . Are there recognized genres in comic history. For instance, what about Seuss' work during World War II. Would they be lumped into the political newspaper Category Cartoon (if such a genre exists) or somewhere else because he is a children cartoon book author ( How would one organize an historic exhibits of American Cartoons/Comics for a meaningful exhibit. My first inclination is into cartoon/comic types but if I am going to include a broad spectrum, it might be better including cartoons/comics that had a major impact on human events and organize the works around the historic events? Stas.klos (talk) 05:24, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
The view of comics is generally divided by the different forms of publishing and tradition they come from. When I say "political cartoons", I'm talking not in general of comics with a political slant, but specifically the editorial cartoon. It's a form that has traditionally meant less to entertain than to illustrate (these days, they are often expected to be humorous, but that's not been true for most of their history.) This would cover the work of Nast, Herblock, Oliphant... and yes, Geisel (Seuss). Many cartoonists bridge different fields of cartooning. But that category doesn't include, say, daily newspaper strips, even when they have a political bent - newspaper strips are their own form, and while there may be some overlap which will discuss editorial cartoons alongside, say, Doonesbury or the more political stretches of Pogo, those things are still generally recognize to be part of the newspaper strip.
Mad is seen as part of the comic book family. It was launched by a company otherwise known for horror and science fiction comics, and was originally a traditional comic book in format (although its odd history sometimes makes it seem as an exception within the comic book field.) Magazine cartoons - now most commonly seen in the New Yorker, but formerly a larger part of a healthy magazine field - are their own grouping. Children's book illustration, again, a separate field. The graphic novel is seen as an extension of the comic book,
As I said, plenty of people skip among the various forms. There are also plenty of items that aren't quickly simply categorized. (With my publisher hat on, I recently reprinted the JFK Coloring Book, which actually spent some time on the best-seller list a tad over half a century ago, really political humor aimed at adults, drawn by one of the Mad artists, but not quite within any of the traditional categories.)
As to how one would organize a museum show, that is likely beyond my expertise. Shows are more likely to be organized around one type of cartooning, or around specific time themes were the breadth of material being thrown at a single theme (like, say, cartoon depictions of Hitler, and how they changed as the US entered the war. By the way, were you aware that Captain America was actually battling Hitler before America was battling Hitler?) Were I actually called to curate such a thing, I'd probably want to organize it more around nature of the impact than around the item... in part, because I find things more interesting when seemingly disparate items are shown to have a link. --Nat Gertler (talk) 06:49, 27 February 2015 (UTC)


I am sorry, my math was off. I have reworded the note to better reflect the controversy and added her to the age controversy category. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 21:24, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Gail Monaghan Wikipedia[edit]

Hi there -- got your proposed deletion of this page, but am not sure whether you saw the references at the bottom of the page and in the page itself. Am unsure why the page was tagged for deletion. Would like to try and understand... [references below, which the page was tagged because it didn't include?]

References[edit] Jump up ^ "YouTube - How to Make Homemade Ice Cream: Cooking Confidential w/Gail Monaghan". Retrieved 2014-04-19. Jump up ^ "The Chew - Gail Monaghan's Crown Roast - The Chew - YouTube". Retrieved 2014-04-19. Jump up ^ "A word-of-mouth success - NY Daily News". Retrieved 2014-04-19. Jump up ^ "11.13.07: The Easygoing Epicure | New York Social Diary". Retrieved 2014-04-19. Jump up ^ "Year's Best Food Books Offer Charm, Common Cold Relief, Sundaes - Bloomberg". Retrieved 2014-04-19. Jump up ^ "The Best Cookbooks of 2010". Retrieved 2014-04-19. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ColombiaJefferson (talkcontribs) 05:14, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

The answer to that is simple: the page was tagged before those references were added, as you can see if you look at the revision of the file right after it was added at this link. --Nat Gertler (talk) 05:23, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

LA edit-a-thons on March 18 (tomorrow!) and 28[edit]

Wadewitz memorial edit-a-thon (3/18), Redondo Loves Wikipedia (3/28)
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Dear fellow Wikipedian,

The LA Wikipedia community has two events in this second half of March -- please consider attending!

First, there is a memorial edit-a-thon in honor of the prolific LA Wikipedian Adrianne Wadewitz, which is being held downtown on March 18 (tomorrow!) from noon to 8pm as a part of the American Society for Eighteenth-Century Studies' annual conference. Please drop by to contribute your own work or teach other users how to write for Wikipedia.

Second, there will be an event at the Redondo Beach Public Library (following up on last month's session), in collaboration with the Redondo Beach Historical Society. Please join us from 10am to noon on Saturday, March 28 at the main branch of the Redondo Beach Public Library!

I hope to see you there! Calliopejen1 (talk) - via MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:41, 17 March 2015 (UTC)

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Re. Bob menendez[edit]

Wanted your opinion on this : I want to add headers to the controversies section and remove the recently added lead-in, specifically:

On April 1, 2015, Menendez was indicted on federal corruption charges related to favors he did for Florida ophthalmologist Salomon Melgen and gifts he received from him, including campaign donations and private flights. Melgen was charged as well. Menendez has pleaded not guilty to all charges.[1]

It was reverted once so wanted to get a second opinion before I continued.

Jdphenix (talk) 03:13, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Well, the material certainly needs to be at least broken up... but really, it may need redistribution. The essay at WP:CSECTION makes a case for avoiding "controversies" sections altogether. However, I do feel that his current situation is sufficiently of import to why people are likely to look at the article at this point that a mention in the intro is reasonable. --Nat Gertler (talk) 03:24, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

I didn't realize there was specific guidance regarding this specific kind of section. Thank you for the link and insight. Jdphenix (talk) 04:11, 4 April 2015 (UTC)

Focus on the Family[edit]

I agree marriage equality is a loaded word and should be removed. I'm not really political on these topics so it was not my intention. However, the parts on creationism, their view on sex ed, and others should stay. I am restoring WP: NPOV right now. Thanks for your thoughts.

Boredandwilledit (talk) 22:40, 12 April 2015 (UTC)

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