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not in the slightest bit relevant - Nicely stated! Pdfpdf (talk) 12:36, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Kozo Watanabe[edit]

I think the refs are split between two politicians with the same romaji name. In ictu oculi (talk) 02:49, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi again, I asked a question of you on the Emperor Jimmu RM as well. Cheers. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:28, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Hindustan University[edit]

Hello, I don't consider the subject's official webpage a reliable source and thus not a reference. Dlohcierekim 15:34, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Since the article is currently a stub all a reference needs to do is prove its existence. There are no controversial statements that need to be referenced. Even an official website proves an institution's existence! -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:39, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Admin's barnstar.[edit]

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Wales + UK[edit]

Hi Necrothesp,
I noticed you removed the UK delsort from a Welsh based Afd - But according to Wales - Wales is in the UK ?, If it was "List of bus stations in England" then I'd do the UK delsort too so I'm absolutely confused?
Thanks, Regards -Davey2010T 14:55, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

If you include an AfD within the England, Wales, Scotland or Northern Ireland delsort lists then it is automatically also included on the UK delsort page and you don't need to include it in the UK list too. The UK delsort list is only for those articles which refer to the whole UK, not specifically to one of the four Home Nations. Regards. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:09, 23 September 2013 (UTC)
Ohhh right, Thanks for your help, Regards, -Davey2010T 15:23, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timothy Britten[edit]

Based on your recent participation at the deletion discussion for Category:Recipients of the Cross of Valour (Australia). I was wondering if you might not participate in this deletion discussion on a CV recipient? Thanks. EricSerge (talk) 16:54, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Talk:Bradley Manning/October 2013 move request[edit]

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Renaming of Non-English language awards[edit]


Non-English language awards
The basic rule is that the names of foreign-language awards should be translated into English except where there is an established track-record of referring to it by its foreign-language name. Therefore we use Iron Cross in favour of "Eiserne Kreuz", Pour le Mérite in favour of "For the Merit" or "Merit Award", and Param Vir Chakra in favour of "Bravest of the Brave Award". This effectively means that the article will reside at the customary English-language name. Having said this, editors are encouraged to create redirects for all reasonable permutations and variations on the name, whether in English or in the native language.

You've renamed articles on French awards back to French. Your interpretation of the para above seems to differ completely from mine. I can think of 1 maybe 2 French awards where an anglophone "might" use the French name, the others are and should remain translated into English as per the above WikiProject directive. Fdutil (talk) 18:39, 6 October 2013 (UTC)

Would you care to be more specific? Which awards are you referring to? The Médaille militaire and Croix de guerre are certainly both almost exclusively referred to using their French names (never in my forty years of study of military history have I seen either translated in reputable sources). The Légion d'honneur is about 50/50 (and is currently at the English title, which is unfortunate but I'm not about to move it given the level of ignorance of foreign languages on Wikipedia, especially from North American editors - there are, after all, still debates about the spelling of Marseille and Lyon for crying out loud!). Which others are you referring to? Also note that WikiProject "rules" do not superseded WP:COMMONNAME in any case. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:25, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

What's going on at Royal Naval College, Greenwich?[edit]

Hi, Necrothesp. I see you were puzzled by the outcome of your move of this page, which I agree with, and I have tried to make sense of it here. I think it may be because you're an admin that you may have merged the two page histories accidentally? In any event, all's well that ends well, but could you possibly keep this page on your watch-list? Moonraker (talk) 01:18, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Hi. Frankly, I'm mystified. That has never happened to me before! -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:16, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
I think I half understand it. If I go to move a page, the move usually succeeds, so long as the new page name doesn't exist already or else so long as the new name exists but only as a redirect with a simple history ("moved over redirect"). If the new name is an existing redirect with a longer history, the system doesn't allow my move, and I get a message telling me I need to use the formal page-move process, which I believe needs an admin to close it. I think that's because of the need to preserve the page history of the redirect. In this case, when you moved my new page you merged the two page histories, and I am guessing that this happens automatically. What I don't understand is that the outcome of your move was a redirect to Old Royal Naval College, so that you then had to do something to reinstate the content of the new page you were moving. I notice also that Talk:Royal Naval College (Greenwich) (which I created a few days ago) and Talk:Royal Naval College, Greenwich, which was a survival from the previous article, were both unaffected. Somehow the programming of the site seems to have decided to leave them unmerged. Moonraker (talk) 04:15, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

Proposed deletion of Bitar[edit]

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Personalising disagreement[edit]

I was surprised at your sneers at me here. You have absolutely no business speaking about me, my real life, or what I had better do in it. The page is for discussing the proposed deletion of an article, not for you to vent your spleen. Bishonen | talk 14:54, 31 October 2013 (UTC).

Oh good, yet another Wikipedia editor with no sense of humour. I was neither sneering nor venting my spleen nor personalising anything (you did that, in actual fact). I was merely making a humorous comment about the idea that someone would jump at a comment in an AfD discussion. Try not to take life too seriously! -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:05, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Howard Saint[edit]

Hello, just raised a question on why you keep moving Howard Saint (aviator) on the article talk page, appreciate your comments, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 14:46, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Help with moves[edit]

Hi thanks for moving 11th Hussars back. I have some more you could assist with if you don't mind. They are all World War I New Zealand regiments with a spelling error/typo in their titles. They should be called Rifles and they only have Rifle missing the S. There are four articles;

Auckland Mounted Rifle Regiment
Canterbury Mounted Rifle Regiment
Wellington Mounted Rifle Regiment
Otago Mounted Rifle Regiment

The problem being the correct names Auckland Mounted Rifles Regiment etc are all redirects. Jim Sweeney (talk) 16:00, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

All done. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:36, 11 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for the prompt service, appreciate that. Jim Sweeney (talk) 16:44, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

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St. or St[edit]

Before marking a change as "British English", and thereby implying that the previous form was wrong, you might care to check recognised authorities. The OED under "saint" A.1. states: "Commonly abbreviated S. or St. (see below)". Lower down it discusses S. and St. along with the plurals SS. and Sts. all with their full stops. The whole six columns consistently uses a full stop both for saints (St. Augustine) and in combination (St. Bruno's lily). Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 14:16, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

On Wikipedia, it is common practice to use the commonest British English form without the full stop for "St" and always has been, as you will see if you take a look at an appropriate category. Most British editors will change these for reasons of consistency. So before you suggest I check "recognised authorities", you may care to check recognised practice on Wikipedia. Regards. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:20, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
I'm sorry if you're upset, it was not your interpretation of Wiki's rules I was commenting (you are after all senior in edit count and rank) on but the dismissive "British English". Perhaps "Wikipedia standard" might be slightly friendlier? Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 15:14, 21 November 2013 (UTC)
To my thinking, modern British English does deprecate the use of full stops in abbreviations, while American English does not. It does help if Wikipedia is consistent within forms of English, especially in article titles. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:58, 21 November 2013 (UTC)

Naming conventions (people)[edit]

Please explain to me how this sentence is gibberish: "If reliable sources write out a subject's full first and middle names nearly as often as they use initials, prefer the version with the names written in full." It seems to be much clearer than the version you reverted to. Thanks. Dohn joe (talk) 17:58, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Apologies. My mistake. I was editing the wrong version. You'd already reverted the gibberish! Now reverted back to your version. -- Necrothesp (talk) 18:10, 23 November 2013 (UTC)
No problem. I'd had a nice conversation with the gibberish creator. It was an issue of them not understanding the intent of the sentence, and also not using proper grammar to convey what they thought was that intent. Hopefully my rewrite fixes that misunderstanding. Dohn joe (talk) 18:52, 23 November 2013 (UTC)

Mary Peters (athlete)[edit]

I'm unsure how the unscrupulous nationality change without verification is the reason for indefinite protection. The page hasn't been protected before. The good IP edit was on May 2012. That should have been on grounds for pending changes, and I'm sure that reviewers can do a good job reviewing this page. --George Ho (talk) 07:02, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Unfortunately British/Irish nationality changes are always a problem on Wikipedia, which is why I protected it. Someone gets the bit between their teeth and they'll carry on adding their POV edits endlessly. But I'll unprotect it if you wish. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:19, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

First Lady[edit]

I see you are passionate about this topic. Please see the links and citations to other global uses of this title that are embedded elsewhere in the article. I ask that your near-war of edits be taken to the Talk page where a full and frank discussion can be held without a continual back-and-forth addition/deletion in the article taking place. Thanks, Rr parker (talk)

Trust me, I have no intention of getting into an edit war (and have not done so - two reverts is not an edit war!) with an idiot who deletes what was a perfectly sound introduction and replaces it with his own POV, deleting links in the process, and refuses to listen to any sort of reason. This issue has already been discussed with Lihaas and other editors on Talk:List of spouses of heads of state, where it was clearly determined that this was not the universal title for the spouse of a head of state and should not be presented as such (the RM did not stop him moving the article back to his own title again, incidentally, after criticising the result - this individual likes pushing his own POV). Your edits to the introduction are fine and accurate, but I wonder how long it will be before Lihaas reverts those too. He has already stated that he believes "first spouse" is the universal title for the spouses of heads of state throughout the world. No, the topic is not something I'm particularly passionate about - I just work to make Wikipedia accurate. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:40, 9 December 2013 (UTC)

Howdy from Texas[edit]

Greetings Necrothesp. You once edited the page on Anthony Holland (composer) Skidmore edu. Back when their was only one or two Anthony Holland(s) on wikipedia. In particular you edited the musical professors bio page. That whole article has been deleted. I was wondering how to go about asking for or requesting a revsion deletion or an undelete of the article.

It had stood their for years on his musical accolades alone. In fact as time has passed more of his musical numbers were added with out incident or pause.

As soon as mention of his scientific pursuits made way into the article all heck has broken out and the article now stands deleted. A better one may be able to be written from scratch and I would not be opposed to attempt such a thing or even seek out assistence from other editors in such an attempt... To make a good fair distinctivy intellectually contributive article by the wikiGP... All that said I think undoing the delete might be a much better way to go.

Can you offer me or that article any assistence or advice? 1zeroate (talk) 05:21, 15 December 2013 (UTC)

Re: this[edit]

Since we at least agree that the main reason for the prod was the ambiguous article title, do you know where the appropriate venue might be for possibly discussing what the new page name might look like? I'm afraid the normal process of discussing on talkpage might not work for such a low-traffic page whose traffic is made even lower because of the ambiguous article title. Maybe I'm overthinking, should I just IAR move it into "Aleppo Private University of Science and Arts"? TeleComNasSprVen (talkcontribs) 02:57, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

Not if it's not called that, as it implies an actual title. Private University of Science and Arts, Aleppo would be more appropriate. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:31, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

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The best solution was for Intelligence (TV series) to be a disambig for the two TV shows, rather than just sending it back to a general disambig page which has a bunch of things that are not relevant. Enigmamsg 20:31, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

That's not usually the way we handle disambiguation pages. However, I'm not bothered if you want to do that, but deleting it just allows articles to be misguidedly created at that title. -- Necrothesp (talk) 20:33, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

just to get back to you[edit]

yeah, I see what I did, sorry. That other dude on my talk page is out to lunch, though.

Notability of Schools and Universities[edit]

Hi there. I note you've been participating in several deletion discussions relating to schools and universities. My interpretation of Wikipedia guidelines such as WP:ORGSIG, WP:NSCHOOL and Wikipedia:College_and_university_article_guidelines#Notability is that any school or university is by definition notable, provided that there are multiple independent third-party reliable sources, but that in the rare cases that these sources don't exist, the school or university is not notable. How do you see this, please?

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My take, following long precedent and consensus, is that only proof of existence is necessary for a secondary school or college to be notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:56, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

Afd Cyriel Camiel and Hector Alidor Lesage et al.[edit]

Hi Necrothesp,

The articles are, I believe, indeed linked. If you notice, they all reference each other and form part of an apparent family history series. Plus, I believe there is some serious sockpuppetry going on in all of them (if you look at their edit history), and the Afd discussions...Brigade Piron (talk) 10:41, 27 January 2014 (UTC)

The subjects are linked genealogically, but it isn't usual to bundle AfDs together unless they are linked subjectively, which they aren't. These people may have been related, but they operated in completely different fields and the people commenting on the AfDs will generally not be the same people, as people tend to comment on articles in their own areas of interest. Also only two have been properly AfDed. You can't nominate articles for AfD without putting an AfD notice on the article. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:04, 27 January 2014 (UTC)


Having a bit of joking with you over at the Steve Bullok RM. All good fun! Don'tcha be dissin' on Montana! LOL! Montanabw(talk) 21:05, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

Thank you![edit]

Hello! Good job! Thanks! I'll expand that article. Lkahd (talk) 14:55, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Trevor Dawson dates[edit]

Hi. Why did you change the dates? May 1, 1866 is the correct way to say the date...Zigzig20s (talk) 14:42, 14 February 2014 (UTC)

In American English it is. In British English articles we use 1 May 1866. This has long been the style on Wikipedia, as it is overwhelmingly the common form in modern British English. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:44, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Tasker Watkins[edit]

Hi Necrothesp, do you have the rights to revert the vandalism to Tasker Watkins article. Thanks in advance, FruitMonkey (talk) 18:38, 24 February 2014 (UTC)

Reg: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/K. A. Senthilvelan[edit]

Kindly look into additional details that have been provided. Thanks for your consideration :)
dhiv talk 14:27, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

No, sorry, he's still not notable. Just a police superintendent doing what a police superintendent does. Nothing makes him particularly notable. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:50, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Steele's Bayou Expedition[edit]

Hi there. I see you added the article "Steele's Bayou Expedition" to the category "Riverine warfare". My concern is that there's no article on Wikipedia called "riverine warfare" (just a redirect to "Brown-water navy"). So the category just sits there without explanation. Should the entire category be changed to "Brown-water navy"? Or maybe something should be added to the lead section of the Brown-water navy article. What are your thoughts? Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 13:25, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

I've added a note to the category and to brown-water navy. I would actually rather the latter article was renamed to riverine warfare to be honest, as it's more of a general title. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:38, 14 March 2014 (UTC)
Great! Thanks. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:18, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Category:Alleged witches[edit]

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Penobscot Hall[edit]

I had considered simply redirecting the Penobscot Hall article to University of Maine, but there was no mention of Penobscot Hall (or any other residence facility) at that article, so I didn't think it made a very useful redirect. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:13, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

Still a useful redirect, as it will alert anyone searching for Penobscot Hall that it's part of the Uni of Maine. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:16, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

PROD removal[edit]

WP:DEPROD was not followed in Gyanvihar University, hence the removal was invalid. It's not hard to follow the rules and deprod properly. --Nemo 09:32, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Would you care to tell me why it wasn't followed? To deprod, one removes the prod. It's quite clear. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:33, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Ok, I misread, thanks for your last diff. --Nemo 09:53, 20 March 2014 (UTC)


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art nouveau[edit]

Hi Necrothesp, I want to thank you for creating the categories for Art Nouveau artists. They have been needed for awhile now and I'm glad they're now there. Something I would like to talk about though, is the expansion of the original art nouveau category. I noticed you have categorized a lot of pages. I am concerned though that some are not in the art nouveau style. For instance, Ethel Hays art is more in the Art Deco style and Primo Conti would not be considered art nouveau looking at his images on google. I do agree with some of the articles you categorized and am glad to find them. Turn➦ 16:16, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

I have categorised as Art Nouveau only those articles which specified an Art Nouveau style. For instance, Flapper Fanny Says (illustrated by Hays) specifies it is in the Art Nouveau style. Conti's article specifies Art Nouveau as one of his styles. If you don't agree then feel free to remove them. My own interest in the subject is really architecture; I'm much less knowledgeable about and interested in other arts. But when I started going through the categorisation scheme I decided to do a search for Art Nouveau (and associated movements) and categorise anything which specified it. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:22, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
Aw, I see. No problem. Sometimes other people attribute things to different subjects and stuff can get crazy. I just didn't want to start editing your work without you knowing (a head's up). Thanks for I like your enthusiasm with's an important kind of work (I like categorizing too) Turn➦ 00:52, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
Having looked at Hays again, I agree with you. Definitely Art Deco. Clearly a mistake on the part of another editor. I have edited appropriately and removed the categories. The categorisation was a complete mess and needed vastly expanding. Hopefully it's an improvement now. Cheers. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:24, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

Your recent edits[edit]

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Hillary Rodham Clinton move request[edit]

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Saint Ofelia PROD[edit]

I noticed that you removed the PROD from this article but you seem to have no rationale for doing so. There is no evidence that this person ever existed, and there is no saint with this name on the vaticans list of saints. You removed the PROD saying "if", but you really don't know either way. Now we have to play the AFD game and start all over again on an article that is most likely a hoax. Good job. JOJ Hutton 12:47, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Prods are only for completely uncontroversial deletion. I have every right to remove one if I don't believe the deletion is uncontroversial. AfD is the best place for proposing article deletion in most cases. I suggest you take your snide remarks elsewhere. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:51, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
Its only controversial if someone believes that the article should not be deleted, not just because they think it should go to AFD. If you did even a minutes worth of research on the topic instead of doing a "blanket PROD removal" of several articles you would have found out that there is no evidence that this person ever existed, and there is no listing of a Saint Ofelia on the Vatican's list of Saints. That usually equals a hoax article. But you removed the PROD so you either did it without any shred of evidence or proof, or you really believe that this person existed and if you think that then I suggest you say so at the current AFD. Either way, blindly removing PRODS can be disruptive to Wikipedia because you have no way of knowing if the article is true or not which leads to hoax articles being kept that should not be. If you had any doubt, you should have at least looked it up first. That would have been the proper thing to do, even if you think that you had the "right" to remove it.--JOJ Hutton 17:22, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
As you should be aware if you use prods, anyone has the absolute right to remove them for any reason or no reason. I do not do "blanket removals" of prods. I consider each on its own merits. I removed this one because I did not consider it was uncontroversial (that generally means complete rubbish or completely non-notable subjects). You should also be aware that the internet is not the only source - if someone can find a print source then they can add it. I have no opinion either way - I just felt it should be discussed at AfD. I was perfectly entitled to deprod the article and you have no grounds for argument, so please don't try to provoke one. I suggest you get off your high horse and stop suggesting that an experienced editor and administrator is trying to disrupt Wikipedia by wholly legitimate removal of a prod. If it's that much of a hardship to take an article to AfD (it's really not difficult) then I suggest you find some other way to contribute to Wikipedia. It is our main way of getting an article deleted, after all. Prodding is just a supplement to it. -- Necrothesp (talk) 19:45, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

Jamea Masjid[edit]

I am the author of the article in question Jamea Masjid. I was also objecting for it to be moved to Jamea Masjid, Preston - the reason as to why a discussion was started. However, your point made it clear to me whereas the others were bringing up matters which were irrelevant. The only greatest objection was from me whereas the rest was in favour of it being moved. So, I am going to undo your edit and would like to thank you for putting things into Perspective. Appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mohiss (talkcontribs) 14:22, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

You misunderstand. Another editor has opened a move discussion. A move should not now be made until this discussion has been completed. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:27, 2 April 2014 (UTC)

I want to create a Hindi Wikipedia page for my English Wikipedia Article - New R. S. J. Public School. Also i want to add map on my page. Can you do it for me or help me in doing so.Pratham 09:54, 6 April 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Prathamprakash29 (talkcontribs)


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Sir Shridath Ramphal[edit]

I was wondering if you would be willing to undo your move and discuss it. I grew up with him regularly in the news, and he was almost invariably referred to as "Shridath Ramphal" (or "Commonwealth Secretary General Sir Shridath Ramphal") with the very occasional "Sir Shridath 'Sonny' Ramphal". I remember seeing an op-ed columnist calling him "Sonny Ramphal" and thinking how strange that looked. He definitely wasn't "Sonny" when he handed me my diploma when I graduated from the University of the West Indies. Guettarda (talk) 16:55, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

He was always called Sir Sonny Ramphal in the British media, where he was also frequently in the news when he was secretary-general. Nobody here would even have known he was called Shridath. But if that's not the case elsewhere then I'll undo it. -- Necrothesp (talk) 20:46, 15 April 2014 (UTC)

Frank Richardson, Gerard Van Helden.[edit]

Hello, I have been notified you have read my articles on Frank Richardson and Van Helden and made some minor alterations. Thank you for that. Whilst I try to adhere to the correct presentations I recognize you are improving on them and I appreciate the time and effort you have spent. TimothyWF (talk) 10:33, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Move review notification[edit]

Because you participated in the most recent discussion regarding the proposed move of Hillary Rodham Clinton, you are hereby notified per Wikipedia:Canvassing#Appropriate notification that the administrative determination of consensus from that discussion is being challenged at Wikipedia:Move review/Log/2014 May. Please feel free to comment there. Cheers! bd2412 T 19:22, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment[edit]

Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by Anna Frodesiak. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:46, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

School naming convention[edit]

Hello there. You just corrected my incorrect renaming of the Basil McFarland page, for which many thanks.

Since you're an expert on Wiki naming conventions, and since I'm most certainly not, I wonder if you can tell me where I might find the Wiki guidelines on the following: if a school, over the course of its history, has been known by a number of names, what is the convention when referring to the school in a Wiki article ?

For example, take Winchester College. It's correct name is Collegium Sanctae Mariae prope Wintoniam, or Collegium Beatae Mariae Wintoniensis prope Winton, which translates into English as St Mary's College, near Winchester, or The College of the Blessed Mary of Winchester, near Winchester. Now, if I'm writing an article about somebody who attended Winchester College in the Fourteenth Century, when it may indeed have been referred to as Collegium Sanctae Mariae prope Wintoniam, do I write "he attended the Collegium Sanctae Mariae prope Wintoniam" ? Or, assuming very few people will today understand what I'm referring to if I do that, do I simply write "he attended Winchester College", even if it was not known by that name at the time he attended it ?

I really would be very grateful for any assistance you can provide here. Very many thanks.

Difficult one. I'd probably use "Winchester College" for reasons of clarity, since I suspect that even in the Middle Ages it was commonly known in English by that title. We usually use the name by which a place or institution was known at the time we're referring to, but given that the official name was in Latin I'd be inclined to use the more understandable name (which isn't really anachronistic). -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:14, 4 June 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much for that. I have a further question therefore. Take Bedford School: before 1552 it was known as Bedford School. However, after it was refounded in 1552, it was often referred to as Bedford Grammar School, being an endowed grammar school. Subsequently, it became known as Bedford School once again, and was generally referred to as Bedford School by the eighteenth century. However, by the middle of the nineteenth century, both names, Bedford School and Bedford Grammar School, were used interchangeably. As a result, in 1917, the Headmaster issued an edict that the school should be referred to exclusively as Bedford School from thenceforth. So, in this case, would it not be sensible to refer to the institution exclusively by one name in Wiki articles rather than by both names, if for no other reason than to avoid confusion ? Thank you enormously for your help here.
I really would be extremely grateful for some guidance here. Thank enormously for your assistance. Much appreciated.
Probably dependant on the sources used for the article which refers to the school. Difficult to lay down hard and fast rules for this one. A redirect will do the job well enough anyway. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:06, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Okay. Thanks very much indeed.

Please actually read PROD descriptions in full before removing them[edit]

If you bothered to read the PROD tag beyond more than a single word, you'd've also seen "fails WP:GNG and starts to have issues with WP:NOTPROMO." It still only has one unaffiliated secondary source (not multiple sources, per WP:GNG), and there's still in-universe text (the opening for the "Setting" section sounds like it's straight from the book).

Then there's the fact that WP:NOR says "Do not analyze, synthesize, interpret, or evaluate material found in a primary source yourself," which (except for the "Publication history" and "Reception" sections) is all the article does. If you look at the Dungeons & Dragons, you'll see that they don't give WP:UNDUE weight to races and classes. Even the article for the original D&D box set cites outside sources to describe its contents, instead of acting as an review for the product.

So maybe you need to go read WP:NOR while you're at it. Ian.thomson (talk) 15:22, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

No, I'm afraid I don't. I'm perfectly aware of what it says. Yes, the article is a bit promotional and in-world, but it is certainly not original research, which is a term thrown around far too much on Wikipedia, and usually inaccurately (generally, I've found it means "I don't like it"!). As you'd also know if you'd bothered to read WP:PROD, I'm perfectly entitled to remove a prod notice without even bothering to give a reason. The fact I did is a courtesy. Prodding is for uncontroversial deletion only. The subject must be non-notable and I think that needs an Afd to determine. Being badly written (which it is) is not a good reason for deletion. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:32, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

About British British Armed Forces uniforms[edit]

Hi, I would just like to say:

Firstly, I didn't understand that the use of the RAF was an example, and fully accept that it could apply to any of the forces;

Secondly, I feel like you Bit me a little, to be honest.


m8e39 14:11, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

No, just gentle sarcasm. The fact it was an example was rather obvious. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:51, 12 June 2014 (UTC)


This edit of yours was not WP:CIVIL. We're all on the same team here. A little more courtesy would be appreciated. Thanks. –Davey2010(talk) 14:47, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

A little more common sense and knowledge of the subject would also be appreciated. It's too easy to vote delete. Thanks. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:24, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
Perhaps the nom was correct in nominating it, Perhaps he wasn't, I thought your reply was way out of line tho, We all get fucked off on here but we've all just gotta work together :)
Regards, –Davey2010(talk) 15:40, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
I largely edit in the field of honours and their recipients and I do find it exceptionally irritating when editors claim that recipients of high honours have no notability, apparently without any understanding of the system. An article should only be nominated for deletion when the nominator actually knows something about the subject; afds shouldn't be opened at the drop of a hat by editors who don't really know what they're talking about. My reply merely expressed disbelief that anyone could consider a dame or knight non-notable! I think many editors would agree with me. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:46, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Hamam is not an English dictionary word[edit]

It's not in Merriam Webster[1] or[2]. Hammam, however, is found in both dictionaries so you are incorrect in your assessment as I was in my spelling. (talk) 21:59, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

That's as may be. However, Hamam is in the Oxford English Dictionary, generally accepted as the bible of English lexicography. -- Necrothesp (talk) 23:14, 26 June 2014 (UTC)
Where? It is not in their online version [3]. Maybe it is in an older print edition that has been corrected? (talk) 21:12, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
It's most certainly in the genuine online (and subscription) version of the OED. I'm not talking about the knock-off free version you're looking at. That's not the real OED. Surely you didn't think it was? -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:23, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
You are not looking very carefully. Published by Oxford University Press Copyright 2014[4]. It is their online dictionary for public usage and Hamam is not in there as I have already linked for you to view[5]. (talk) 00:35, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
It is not the OED. Do you understand? The OED is not this! Whether it is published by the OUP or not, it is not the OED! It is a free substitute. Naturally as a free substitute it does not include the full content (which, I can assure you since I do have access to it, does include "hamam"). Understand now? Good grief! -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:28, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Provide proof that the current version still contains that term. Not all of us have $300 a year subscriptions to the elite bible of the English language online. A screen shot will do nicely. (talk) 09:00, 5 July 2014 (UTC)
Sorry, but I'm under no obligation to provide proof. Go to a decent library and check it. If you believe I'm lying then I suggest you check out my edit history and my status as an admin and consider very carefully why an anonymous account holder would suggest an established user is not being truthful. This discussion is closed. -- Necrothesp (talk) 22:47, 6 July 2014 (UTC)
Status as an admin has nothing to say about quality of sourcing - and should never be used in a content dispute. That said, I can confirm that OED does list hamam as an alternative spelling of hammam - I have access to the full online version using my local library card (as do most British people). DuncanHill (talk) 12:56, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Thankyou for the confirmation. DuncanHill And Necrothesp don't assume that an anonymous editor has no Wikipedia account. I edit anonymously to see and confront bigotry against anon editors. (talk) 05:34, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
I wasn't aware I did assume that. It seems to me that it was you who didn't assume good faith. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:01, 7 August 2014 (UTC)
No, but status as an admin does suggest that being effectively accused of lying by this anon may be a little irritating! -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:58, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

ambassadors are not inherently notable[edit]

A closing admin has clarified there is no policy basis for saying ambassadors are inherently notable. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paul Brummell and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/John Michael Owen Snodgrass. LibStar (talk) 11:19, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

And I am challenging his decision. Particularly since Snodgrass was a recipient of the CMG, something you and he appear to have conveniently overlooked. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:58, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
but are you challenging the assertion that ambassadors are 'not' inherently notable. LibStar (talk) 12:24, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
That too. Particularly since consensus was clearly to keep. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:25, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Please point to the policy that says ambassadors are inherently notable. LibStar (talk) 12:26, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Good grief, it's like a stuck record! You need to look up the word "opinion". Not everything requires a policy. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:39, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
so you admit there is no guideline that makes ambassadors inherently notable? Your argument would be a lot stronger if there was a guideline but to date there has been no consensus for inherent notability. LibStar (talk) 12:46, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
Yes it is like a stuck record with Libstar. In his world no one else is entitled to an opinion, but he sure is! :)--BabbaQ (talk) 13:50, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

John Konrad page deletion process[edit]

Hi there, thanks for your message on my talk page about the John Konrad page deletion. I'm afraid I'm unfamiliar with the deletion process works, so I went on the #wikipedia-en chat channel on Freenode IRC and asked for help - someone there suggested enabling the Twinkle toolbar and using that, so that's what I did. After you messaged me I received assistance in IRC, the changes were reverted and I had help in resubmitting. Maybe you could take a look at the page again? Thanks. Stroller (talk) 16:05, 2 July 2014 (UTC)


What justification do you have for removing Kt? You seem to be finding an awful lot of them for something that is "not commonly used"! DuncanHill (talk) 12:52, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Common usage. The vast, vast majority of the many thousands of knights bachelor on Wikipedia do not have the suffix (take a look at the category) and it is not commonly used as a postnominal. Those that do have have been added in error (often in completely the wrong place) by people who clearly have no understanding of the British honours system. -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:55, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia is not a reliable source! I've often seen it in printed works, especially from Victorian or earlier times. DuncanHill (talk) 13:00, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
I was answering your claim that there seem to be an awful lot. The vast majority, however, do not use it. Precisely. It used to be quite common, but it is not now. "Esq" also used to be quite common, but we don't use that either. Degree postnoms still are quite common, but we don't use them. "Kt" is usually deleted by editors who know what they're talking about, not just by me. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:03, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Hey there. Just wanted to give you this. I love your List of last occurrences page. If I can find anything to contribute I certainly will, provided that you're ok with that. HarlandQPitt 14:17, 7 July 2014 (UTC)
Many thanks for this. Cheers. The page was originally a live page, but it was decided to delete it. I thought I'd preserve it. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:32, 7 July 2014 (UTC)

Weston Christian College[edit]

Hey! Saw your message on the Weston Christian College page. I understand that a school closing doesn't take away from it's notability, but I'm curious if you can point me to any Help info that explains why it should remain in place given that there isn't any reference material to back up the school or it's notability. The only refs I was able to find online, for example, point to P.O. Box address refs for Jerry Edwards and pages that mined the wiki page for content. My understanding is that notability requires authoritative references. Thanks! Dnllnd (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 01:16, 13 July 2014 (UTC)

There are plenty of online references to prove it existed. That's all that's generally needed for a degree-granting institution. -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:53, 14 July 2014 (UTC)
Hi, again. Yes, I understand that there are online references that prove it existed, but they all originated from the school itself. There are no other online references that speak to it being anything more than a P.O. Box. While it's quite possible that there are print resources, somewhere, the Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) notability guidelines appear to be pretty clear in saying that "If no independent, third-party, reliable sources can be found on a topic, then Wikipedia should not have an article on it". When taken in consideration with the page being idle for several years and there being no concrete means of updaing it, I question the value of the page. Is this really the type of notability that needs preserving? In any event, thank you for the input. Much appreciated. Dnllnd (talk) 02:10, 17 July 2014 (UTC)

RM notice[edit]

FYI: Pointer to discussion that may be relevant to you.

A requested moves discussion in which you participated in Dec. 2013 has been reopened, at Talk:Mustang horse#Alternative proposal.  — SMcCandlish ¢ ≽ʌⱷ҅ʌ≼  03:10, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

SP Memorial Institute of Technology[edit]

Hey, last time you disagreed with my AfD nomination stating that recognized degree awarding institute are the exception case. Well, I have another problem! Don't worry this time I am not the AfD nominator. You can see the matter here. CutestPenguin {talkcontribs} 17:38, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

Nomination of Donald Ross (British Army officer) for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Donald Ross (British Army officer) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Donald Ross (British Army officer) until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. PatGallacher (talk) 18:49, 25 July 2014 (UTC)

John Singer Sargent[edit]

Hello Mr Necrothesp.

I am in possession of a copy of a booklet printed by Sheffield Arts Department to mark the centenary exhibition of John Singer Sargent's "The Misses Vickers". Amongst many interesting facts, the author asserts that this is a portrait in the honourable European tradition of "Aunt Sally" portraits, works which have been howled done at their first showing.

In that context, the painting can be viewed as just as significant as Sargent's "Portait of Madame X" because as the author asserts: "After The Misses Vickers, Sargent's commissioned portraiture rarely plumbed such psychological depths again."

I have added a contempory press review to the painting's wiki. Should you be interested to include some of this resource in your JSS wiki, the booklet is 64 pages long with many black and white plates and an extensive bibliography plus numerous apendices including the infamous letter Sargent wrote to his sister: "...I am to paint several portraits in the country and three ugly women at Sheffield, dingy hole."

Regards, Rex

I'm a bit puzzled, as I have no particular knowledge of John Singer Sargent! -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:38, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

Sergeant Major[edit]

Necrothesp, I note you have been changing some plurals for "Sergeant Major". Can I draw your attention to wiktionary. Hamish59 (talk) 11:25, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Please ignore above. Just had a look at Sergeant major and its cites. Hamish59 (talk) 11:36, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
Yes, I'm forever having to correct edits from people who incorrectly think the American plural is used everywhere! -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:51, 1 August 2014 (UTC)

Station Sergeant[edit]

Hi Necrothesp. You recently reverted my edit at the Station Sergeant article. I don't want to dive back in and start an edit war, but do want to discuss this with you, as I strongly disagree with your reasoning. The Staff Sergeants of Canadian police forces have exactly the same role as the former Station Sergeants of the Metropolitan Police (and some other forces), and wear the same rank markings. The role is, essentially, identical, with an only marginally different title. NOT drawing attention to this in the Station Sergeant article is to mislead by omission. Furthermore, the Station Sergeant article already makes reference to the former Crown Sergeant rank of the Royal Parks Constabulary, which again had a slightly different name, but is widely recognised as having been the same role - and again, with the same rank markings, to underline the point. I think you are wrong to suggest that this could apply to "any senior sergeant". It might, but need not. However, the Canadian Staff Sergeant, like the RPC Crown Sergeant, is essentially the same thing as the former Station Sergeant, and it is madness not to note this in the article.
PS: Though it is totally irrelevant, I'm amused that the last three comments on your talk page each have a "sergeant/sargent" as their theme, despite being on widely different topics! Timothy Titus Talk To TT 15:02, 8 August 2014 (UTC)

@Timothy Titus: Hi. Apologies for the delay in replying - I've been away. I do take your point, but it is complicated by the fact that we already have an article on staff sergeants. Would it not be better to add the info on Canadian police forces there? I notice that Canada is not mentioned, even in military terms. Most police forces in the world actually have at least one grade of senior sergeant (most modern British and American forces being exceptions), many of whom have a similar function to the station sergeant. Should they all be added to this article or added to the appropriate article for their actual designation? I suggest the latter is more appropriate. As a comparison, should we add the information on police lieutenants to the inspector article and vice versa? They too serve a similar function, but I don't think it would be valuable to do so. A better solution would probably be to add the info to the appropriate article and add a "see also" link. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:53, 25 August 2014 (UTC)

Gandhi Smarak Inter College[edit]

You deprod'ed Gandhi Smarak Inter College, Rajesultanpur based on the claim that it does appear to exist. How do you know? I couldn't find any results for a search of either the English or the Hindu name. Schools of this name exist in other parts of India, but I couldn't find any indication of one in Rajesultanpur. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:42, 26 August 2014 (UTC)

Really? I found plenty of mentions online, although nothing detailed. Enough to prove it exists though. Maybe you're making your searches too specific. Indian names are notoriously fluid. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:44, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
Could you point to a couple? The mentions I find are none of them in anything I would call a reliable source. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 15:57, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
For a college, all we need is proof of existence. I think the online sources prove it does exist. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:58, 26 August 2014 (UTC)
But again, I don't know that we have proof of its existence. I've seen some vague postings on some social media sites about a college with this name that may be in Rajesultanpur, or maybe somewhere else in Uttar Pradesh, or maybe in another state altogether. If you could share the links you're using to make this decision, my concerns might be allayed. My concern is that the original author may be trying to perpertrate a hoax, having originally posted a photo that was a generic stock photo of a schoolyard with the name of this particular school photshopped in. Once that level of deceit is uncovered, the veracity of the entire article is called into question. WikiDan61ChatMe!ReadMe!! 16:34, 26 August 2014 (UTC)