User talk:Necrothesp

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As a fellow editor of Royalist pages, I'd like to know your views on deeper categorization of the Members of the British Royal Household category. Would articles be better separated into individual subject categories like 'Members of the Household of Charles, Prince of Wales', Queen Mother, Elizabeth II, etc, (and included in the large Brit Household cat) or would they be better served as is in general equerry categories etc? Sorry if this is incomprehensible! Gareth E Kegg (talk) 16:36, 2 February 2015 (UTC)

No, I don't think we should categorise by individual members of the Royal Family. Although we could subdivide by titles, e.g. Category:Members of the Household of the Prince of Wales or Category:Members of the Household of the Duke of York. But on the whole I don't think it's necessary. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:06, 3 February 2015 (UTC)

Category:Scottish people of Bangladeshi descent change[edit]

Hi Necrothesp,

I was wondering about this edit which you made reverting one of my edits. As the category 'People of Bangladeshi descent' that was added was a parent of already present category 'British people of Bangladeshi descent' I had thought that WP:SUBCAT applied which was why I removed it. Was that wrong?

A genuine question, (Feel free to delete this section)

Icarusgeek (talk) 16:16, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

No, you're right. My apologies. Your edit got caught up in a mass reversion of an anon editor's bad edits. I've reverted my change to your edit. -- Necrothesp (talk) 17:07, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
Cool - thank you - Icarusgeek (talk) 17:35, 9 February 2015 (UTC)

Disambiguation of abbreviations[edit]

I've reinstate some changes I made to disambiguation pages, according to WP:DABABBREV and MOS:DABACRO. There are two long discussions at Wikipedia_talk:Disambiguation#Delete inappropriate dab entries? and Wikipedia talk:Disambiguation#Delete inappropriate dab entries? - ongoing dispute. If you feel that any of the disambiguation entries I've deleted meet the guideline (defined in an existing article, in a nutshell), please reinstate them, I may have made mistakes. Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 13:48, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

What I really objected to was not your deletion of entries, but your changes in the definitions, which to me frequently seemed to be reducing the usability of the page for no good reason. I fail to see the value of removing perfectly good and useful definitions on a disambiguation page. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:14, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Have a look at WP:DABNOT. Maybe you would like to dispute this guideline and suggest it be modified, or qualified? I see so many entries that spread over several lines, have several links, and generally make a disambiguation page long and messy to use. As far as possible I try to keep entries on one line, and with just sufficient information to disambiguate the different meanings of a term, avoiding masses of text that attract the eye and have to be read. If the guideline is changed, I'll of course try to follow it. If you particularly object to any specific changes I made, you could discuss a few on the WP:D Talk page, not for their own sake, but as a discussion of principle to improve the guideline. And of course you can always amend any abbreviations page if ou feel that more is needed to meet the guideline. Or to make the page more useful while keeping it sensibly brief; there's no need to be too bureaucratic. Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 16:39, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
Having worked on hundreds of disambiguation pages, I don't dispute the guideline at all. I'm afraid, however, that I do dispute your interpretation of it. I agree that entries should be on one or two lines (depending on the length of the disambiguated term) and contain no links other than the main term. However, I think your paring down is too severe and is deleting information useful to those coming to the page. -- Necrothesp (talk) 22:20, 13 February 2015 (UTC)
I'd say my trimming is entirely in line with the guideline (WP:DABNOT: "entries should be just sufficient for disambiguation."); but maybe the guideline needs change? I personally think not; any relaxation will lead to disambiguation pages more like articles, but the possibility can certainly be contemplated. At the moment I don't want to try people's patience with a potentially long discussion on this, having recently started two long discussions on WP:D. You haven't said exactly what you think a disambiguation entry should be, but I presume that you would like a link followed by a summary of the entry? By the way, I don't know how significant it is, but I'm also aware of the need not to make things too bad for people with sight problems who use a text-to-speech reader; a page full of irrelevant entries, and lots of detail on each one, is not very useful. Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 10:21, 14 February 2015 (UTC)
A brief summary of the entry, yes. That does not contradict the guidelines in any way. -- Necrothesp (talk) 10:10, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for response. You might like to edit guideline WP:DABNOT to conform with the above. Editing a guideline is one way to gauge what others think, there is usually rapid response if anyone disagrees. Best wishes, Pol098 (talk) 11:56, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Thanks for your contribution in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ahmad Keshvari. AliAkar (talk) 14:55, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Ruby Yadav[edit]

Hello, my friend. I notice you made this move. The target was salted. Did you get some sort of warning box that you were moving to a salted page? I remember some discussion somewhere that this ought to be fixed. Just curious. Best wishes, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 00:50, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

No I didn't. No warning at all. I just spotted the AfD and moved it from a wholly inappropriate title. The article clearly shouldn't exist on WP anyway (you will notice I have already said this on the AfD). -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:20, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Indeed. I tested the move to salt and also got no warning. You may have noticed your username pinged at the village pump post about it. I hope they fix things. Best, Anna Frodesiak (talk) 12:27, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Article for deletion from WikiProject Law Enforcement[edit]

Could you guys ask members of the WikiPrject Law Enforcement to take a look at the article about Morganza Police Department and weigh in on its nomination for deletion? Sf46 (talk) 20:08, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

March 2015[edit]

An image or media file has been removed from your user page, user talk page, or other page because it is licensed as non-free. Wikipedia's non-free content policy states:

Copyrighted images under fair use are only allowed to be used in articles about the subject of the image. For example they are not allowed to be used on user pages, in lists, or (typically) in biographies of living people.

As a result, although users are often given a great amount of latitude in the type of content that is allowed on their user pages, it is requested that you abide by this policy and refrain from including non-free images on your user pages. Feel free, however, to add images and media files licensed under other terms. For more information, see Wikipedia's non-free content policy and an accompanying essay on the removal of non-free images. Thank you for your cooperation in this matter. EoRdE6(Come Talk to Me!) 18:29, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

Listed where?[edit]

Please explain [1], preferably by adding refs to the article. Otherwise I'll have to proceed to AfD. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:05, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

As in, listed as an historical monument on the list of Polish historical monuments![2] -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:52, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Nomination of Abhay Vidhya Mandir Senior Secondary School, Hindaun City for deletion[edit]

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Abhay Vidhya Mandir Senior Secondary School, Hindaun City is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

The article will be discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Abhay Vidhya Mandir Senior Secondary School, Hindaun City until a consensus is reached, and anyone is welcome to contribute to the discussion. The nomination will explain the policies and guidelines which are of concern. The discussion focuses on high-quality evidence and our policies and guidelines.

Users may edit the article during the discussion, including to improve the article to address concerns raised in the discussion. However, do not remove the article-for-deletion notice from the top of the article. Jerodlycett (talk) 17:52, 25 March 2015 (UTC)

File:Reading Coat of Arms.png[edit]

Hi Necrothesp. I was looking at the non-free image "File:Reading Coat of Arms" and saw that it is being used in one of the userboxes in User:Necrothesp#My cities. I'm not sure if you created that particular userbox yourself, but non-free files are not supposed to be used in the userspace per WP:NFCC#9. Technically, I guess the file can be removed per WP:NFCCE, but I thought I'd point it out first out of courtesy. - Marchjuly (talk) 05:46, 3 April 2015 (UTC)

Adding honorary titles to names[edit]

Hi. I believe as a general rule, the names listed on Deaths in 2015 are supposed to be the same as their articles. I might be wrong, but you should discuss it in the talk page before changing them. Nukualofa (talk) 22:33, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

No, I'm afraid you're incorrect. Titles are always included, as you will see by looking at any previous list (and actually several already on this list). No need for discussion here since this is already the established rule. In any case, how can names be the same as their articles when they are piped to get rid of disambiguators? -- Necrothesp (talk) 22:36, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
And by the way, these aren't "honorary" titles. They are substantive titles conferred by the Crown. -- Necrothesp (talk) 22:42, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
Disambiguations are the exceptions. In the case of Terry Pratchett, for instance, he's been listed as Sir Terry before, and it was removed. He's known all over the world as Terry Pratchett, and for most of the world the title is irrelevant. Nukualofa (talk) 22:49, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
And how is that relevant? He was British and Britain has titles. He was Sir Terry Pratchett. He used the knighthood. Even the announcement of his death on his own Twitter account called him Sir Terry! As I said, this is how people with titles are described on our death lists. Always have been. Looking at the first six months of Deaths in 2014, for instance, I count 62 Sirs! I think that pretty much proves my point! -- Necrothesp (talk) 22:53, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
There is no denying there are disputes whether or not it should be included, as shown by the earlier removal of his title (by someone other than me). For a non-British person, it just doesn't make any sense. Even when King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia died in January, he wasn't listed as King. But OK, I'll leave it to somebody else to decide. Nukualofa (talk) 23:08, 6 April 2015 (UTC)
I think that's your answer. You're not British and you don't realise how commonly used titles are here (and elsewhere in the Commonwealth). We would almost always use them if they were conferred, as they effectively become part of the individual's name. Personally, I think it's very weird that Americans append "Jr" and "III" after people's names and use married women's maiden names as middle names, but I wouldn't tell them they shouldn't do it because that's what they do. -- Necrothesp (talk) 23:26, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

AfD of melee[edit]

You voted not to make melee a disambiguation page in a recent move request. Per the discussion, I have suggested the article be deleted due to lack of a relevant, cohesive encyclopedic definition of "melee". Your input would be appreciated. Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Melee.

Peter Isotalo 11:41, 7 April 2015 (UTC)

Please assist me[edit]

Dear Necrothesp, if my understanding is correct, you are a firm supporter of redirect pages [3]. I am planning to create a new page: "County-Sultanate of Cornwall and the Hebrides". I am seeking your advice: should it be redirected to the page Cornwall or to the page Hebrides? Later I also want to create the redirect pages "Kingdom of New York", "Holy Margraviate of the Trafalgar Square" and Spiritual Reborn and the Application of the International Accounting Standards. Thank you for your assistance in advance. Borsoka (talk) 15:35, 15 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt action. :) Borsoka (talk) 15:41, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Given that somebody thought the original title was a valid one (which yours clearly aren't), what's the problem with retaining it? It's only a redirect. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:44, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Sorry, I do not understand your above remark. I am also somebody and I know that the titles that I propose are as valid as the County of Csesznek and the County of Csesznek and Milvány. Borsoka (talk) 15:47, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
I'm assuming that they didn't make up a title to try to prove a point! -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:49, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
And what about the never existing "County of Csesznek" or "County of Csesznek and Milvány"? The redirect page from WP is the only source for the "county". Borsoka (talk) 15:52, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
So, do you think these were created for vandalism purposes? -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:55, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Rather for romantic purposes, together with the article about the Csesznekys' never existing "hereditary" Wildgraviate of the Bakony (previous version is here: [4]) and the history of the heroic (but poorly documented) "House of Cseszneky". Borsoka (talk) 16:03, 15 April 2015 (UTC)
Do you still oppose the deletion of the two "redirect" links? Borsoka (talk) 02:55, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
I'm frankly not that bothered, although you seem to be taking two redirects very seriously! Given they're not actually articles, I wonder why? -- Necrothesp (talk) 08:20, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your understanding. Yes, I am taking them very seriously, because of WP:NOR. We are not here to create pages about never existing counties, duchies, kingdoms, animals, flowers, stars, people, gods .... Borsoka (talk) 15:41, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
If they were actual articles I'd agree with you, but I think you're taking a couple of redirects far too seriously! -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:03, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

First, you cannot reprod an article that has been deprodded. Second, you shouldn't be prodding redirects in the first place. Please see WP:PROD for guidance. Third, I see no consensus. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:05, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer. If my understanding is correct, you are suggesting that I should create redirect pages of the Kingdom of New York and Canberra and the Mediatized Pashalik-Duchy of the Westminster Abbey. Borsoka (talk) 16:23, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Your understanding clearly isn't correct. Wikipedia procedures are very clear on how to get things deleted. Redirects should not be prodded or AfDed. They should be listed on redirects for discussion. -- Necrothesp (talk) 16:31, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
Thank you for your advice on the proper procedure. Borsoka (talk) 16:35, 16 April 2015 (UTC)

Why are you deleting other people's talk page comments[edit]

at Bob Lambert? Nomoskedasticity (talk) 11:23, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

I was wondering the same. I'm 100% sure it's accidental, of course. Keri (talk) 12:31, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Not deliberately, I assure you. Must have been an edit clash. Given my edit history, you might try a bit of WP:AGF! -- Necrothesp (talk) 12:33, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Okay, but it happened twice, and the timing doesn't support that explanation. Please be more careful. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 12:48, 20 April 2015 (UTC)
Probably editing an out of date version then. And that last comment is a tad patronising! Everyone makes mistakes. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:03, 20 April 2015 (UTC)

Request for input[edit]

I see you have had previous involvement with the editor Hijiri88. I would welcome any input you might see fit to offer at WP:ANI#Ongoing gross incivility of Hijiri88. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 18:25, 26 April 2015 (UTC)

Hillary Rodham Clinton - Move Discussion[edit]


This is a notification to let you know that there is a requested move discussion ongoing at Talk:Hillary_Rodham_Clinton/April_2015_move_request#Requested_move. You are receiving this notification because you have previously participated in some capacity in naming discussions related to the article in question.

Thanks. And have a nice day. NickCT (talk) 18:49, 26 April 2015 (UTC)


Hi necrothesp, I'd be grateful to receive a link to the precedent you mentioned at [5] so that I can avoid making the same mistake twice. Additionally, please can you explain [6] for the same reason? Thanks for your time, 1Potato2Potato3Potato4 (talk) 17:30, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES illustrates the consensus that articles on secondary schools are considered to be notable. They are almost never deleted at AfD. You need to understand that prodding is only for uncontroversial deletions (generally utter rubbish, cruft or self-promotion of obviously non-notable people or groups). Articles about subjects that may have significance should be proposed for deletion at AfD, not prodded, as their deletion requires discussion. -- Necrothesp (talk) 11:48, 30 April 2015 (UTC)


There was recently a deletion debate which you took part. The debate continues on the talk page of the article (see talk:Melee). Please join the debate so that a consensus can be reached on the initial issues of whether it is appropriate to include the maintenance {{coatrack}} at the top of the article Melee. --PBS-AWB (talk) 17:10, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

New question raised regarding Talk:Hillary Rodham Clinton/April 2015 move request[edit]

Some opposers of this move have now contended that there is a "Critical fault in proposal evidence", which brings the opinions expressed into question. Please indicate if this assertion in any way affects your position with respect to the proposed move. Cheers! bd2412 T 04:38, 8 May 2015 (UTC)