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Happy New Year Nedim Ardoğa![edit]

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Happy New Year Nedim Ardoğa![edit]

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Hello Nedim Ardoğa:
Thanks for all of your contributions to improve the encyclopedia for Wikipedia's readers, and have a happy and enjoyable New Year! Cheers, Ithinkicahn (talk) 18:58, 1 January 2014 (UTC)


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Kaygusuz Abdal[edit]

Turkish Wikipedia/Kaygusuz Abdal

-Denizlerin Dalgası

DYK nomination of Mersin Interfaith Cemetery[edit]

Symbol question.svg Hello! Your submission of Mersin Interfaith Cemetery at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 01:31, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

Please report back on the DYK nomination page to let me know that you've fixed the issues. Thanks, Yoninah (talk) 01:31, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
You're right, Armenians don't belong on the list. Thanks for the new ref. Everything looks good now and it's ready to go at DYK. Yoninah (talk) 22:23, 13 January 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Mersin Interfaith Cemetery[edit]

The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Hürrem Sultan[edit]

Hi! After discussion that we had about Mahidevran I'm here to ask a question because I think as a Turkish you should have knowledge about Turkey. Did Hürrem Sultan have any mosque to be named after her like some other sultanas?Keivan.fTalk 19:36, 15 January 2014 (UTC)

Yes, Haseki Mosque in İstanbul was commissioned by Süleyman I for Hürrem. As for Mahidevran, nobody knows who the subject of the said image was. The original title is sultana which is not a personal name. I wrote to the source (BBC your paintings) and they replied that they don't have any information on this painting. Since this is an encyclopedia we should use only the sourced info. We are not allowed to name an anonymous image Mahidevran. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 21:03, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
Isn't any image or article about Haseki mosque in English Wikipedia?Keivan.fTalk 21:11, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
I am afraid there is none in WP. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 21:30, 15 January 2014 (UTC)
Please join this discussion. It's about Mahidevran's photo. Keivan.fTalk 15:22, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. I don't edit in tr-WP. But I replied Maurice in en WP. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 18:01, 22 February 2014 (UTC)
Hi again. Can you make articles about Haseki Sultan Mosque and Şah Sultan Mosque? I'm really interested in making articles about them but my Turkish is not good and I can't use Turkish wiki. Also, did Mahidevran have a mosque named after her?Keivan.fTalk 16:25, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
Mahidevran mosque ? Not to my knowledge. By the way, if she had one, she would be buried there. So I don't think she ever had a mosque . Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 08:45, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

Congrats[edit]

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Congrats for your contribution at the DYK. Keep up your WPTR-related work! --CeeGee 19:24, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Metropolitan municipalities in Turkey[edit]

May I ask just what are you doing there? --Mttll (talk) 16:34, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Of course you may ask. I'll improve the text and I've tagged for construction. But you deleted the text altogether. Well everybody can expand the articles , but deleting a text written by a fellow editor is not a contribution; it is warring and it contradicts with your good intentions expressed by the user box IRR. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 21:30, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
I deleted text that was no longer accurate. As of 2014, metropolitan municipalities in Turkey overlap with provincial borders. I'm not sure what you are disputing. --Mttll (talk) 21:38, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
No problem with the 2013 population figures. (Türkstat figures have been published.)The problem is with the text. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 21:47, 30 January 2014 (UTC)

Woohoo![edit]

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Your tireless work and prolificness constantly amazes me. Here's to an amazing Wikipedian! Ithinkicahn (talk) 22:16, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much. Although we do our best, we still need more editors contribute to WP Turkey and WP Ottoman Empire. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 08:26, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Yaya[edit]

Hi Nedim Ardoğa,

Thanks for paying attention to Yaya article. I linked Alaeddin Pasha based on two sources I cited in the article:

  1. work of John McGilchrist who wrote: "Othman left two sons Orchan the conqueror of the Mongals and the captor of Brusa and Ala ed deen Orchan was elected Emir. He urged his brother to share his throne Ala ed deen refused to consent to any joint sovereignty or to any division of his father's territories He asked only the revenues of a single village for his maintenance Orchan then said Since brother you will not accept the flocks and herds that I offer thee be thou the shepherd of my people be my vizier Orchan took the personal command of his armies Ala ed deen devoted himself to the domestic policy of the state and to the organization and maintenance of the military establishment. It was by Ala ed deen that the Janizaries that corps so long the terror of the Christian world and which exercised almost from their first organization such a large influence in the direction of the Turkish civil and military polity were organized The Ottoman Turks had never yet possessed any semblance of a standing army similar to the military organization which commenced to exist in the kingdoms of the Christian world more than a century after. The same men who fed the flocks on the banks of the Euphrates and Sakaria had followed the banner of Solyman Ertoghrul and Othman in war Such in the main the general body of the nation continued to be the source whence in the time of war the Ottoman troops were drawn But the wisdom of Ala ed deen saw the necessity for the organization of certain forces which should make war their sole business and profession who should be always prepared to act in any sudden exigency Ala ed deen first embodied a corps called Yaya or Piade They were all infantry and were raised and recruited from the body of the Ottoman population He next raised the famous Janizarie" If I understood this correctly, aaccording to this author those two Alladins (vezier and brother) were the same person.
  2. Another source I used (also maybe outdated) says: Aladin, son of Orkhan....to raise footmen called Piade or Yaya....

But if you are certain Inalcik says something different, then he certainly has advantage. --Antidiskriminator (talk) 21:37, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Committee of Union and Progress[edit]

Would you be interested in joining a discussion about this article? --Kansas Bear (talk) 06:09, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

I've replied on the talk page Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 17:28, 3 February 2014 (UTC)

Alinazik[edit]

Hello. I see that you are interested in Turkish culture, like this scribe. A user who took the modest name of FoodXpert created the page Ali Nazik Kebab some 5 years ago, with the following text, and then disappeared. "Ali Nazik Kebab or simply Ali Nazik, is a home-style Turkish kebab variety that has originated in the northern Black Sea region. It is made from char-grill smoked and spiced eggplant puree topped with tender, seasoned and marinated cubes of pan sauteed baby lamb. This popular Anatolian kebab is traditionally served with rice pilaf, grilled veggies and melted butter." You may see from the text that the user had no idea about the dish, believing that it originated from the Black Sea Region! As you must well know, as a southerner, the dish is called Alinazik and nothing else. Nowadays the article is titled "Alinazik kebab". I request you to kindly move it to Alinazik, just like in Turkish WP, and because the dish cannot be considered kebab for simply being served at restaurants called "kebapçı". I understand IPs cannot make these changes. Thanks and greetings. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.174.190.23 (talk) 12:51, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Hi again. I am afraid you have a confusion about double links. Yourself have provided double links to province articles, one in the map and one in the list of each province. I was trying to add links to city articles, which are not used in the text and would be useful. --212.174.190.23 (talk) 14:02, 10 February 2014 (UTC)
A new article is waiting for your contributions, especially in the translation effort. --212.174.190.23 (talk) 08:03, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Since you have a source why don't you expand the article. I'll try my best to support you. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 09:21, 25 February 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much. Indeed I am too busy these days in my work; I hope I can still find some time to make contribution to that and other articles. Cheers. --212.174.190.23 (talk) 12:15, 25 February 2014 (UTC)

Hakan Kıran[edit]

Hi, can you find anything more on him?♦ Dr. Blofeld 14:45, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

I'll try to find out. Meanwhile the eng. version of his page may be helpful [1]. Cheers. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 14:54, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
Well many sources in Turkish. But I am afraid there is none (other than the one I've already given) . Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 19:47, 8 February 2014 (UTC)

Category:METU Mustafa Parlar Foundation Science Award[edit]

Hi Nedim Ardoğa! Recently, I've come across the Category:METU Mustafa Parlar Foundation Science Award you'd created. IMO, the cat is better named Category:Recipients of METU Mustafa Parlar Foundation Science Award or Category:METU Mustafa Parlar Foundation Science Award winners, because it contains the recipients/winners. Pls recheck. Cheers. --CeeGee 21:11, 9 February 2014 (UTC)

Re: Timeline of electrical and electronic engineering[edit]

Actually I was trying to fix up an edit dump by HiYahhFriend and fact checking led me to expand or correct some of the entries. Splitting the article may be a good idea, or merging the items that fit the topic and deleting the rest, or sending them on to other topics. I would note the old and new lead sentence include allot of the items (allot of computer milestones could be removed, maybe to picky/minor). Lead def could be narrowed to cover more fundamental inventions. Fountains of Bryn Mawr (talk) 19:44, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

Battle of Bitlis[edit]

Would you be interested in finding sources for this article? I am suspicious of HouseofArtaxiad's edits,[2][3][4] which appears to replace information to suit his POV. I, unfortunately, won't have the time to dig through my WWI history books until this weekend. --Kansas Bear (talk) 05:29, 20 February 2014 (UTC)

SMS Goeben[edit]

Hello. Please do not make non-controversial page moves without discussion. Thank you. Parsecboy (talk) 15:58, 27 February 2014 (UTC)

OK, but the same warning goes to you. Why did you move the name Yavuz To Goeben ? The name was Goeben for the first 5 years and it was Yavuz for the remaining 36 years. If you can judge rationally, you can see that the title should be Yavuz and not Goeben. Cheers. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 18:22, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Yavuz is not the most common name in English-language histories. See WP:COMMONNAME.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 18:40, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
The critical limit is established usage which is a rather ambiguous term. So you seem to think that the names of all battleships which participated in WW1 (hundreds of them) have established usage in English Really ? Cheers ! Nedim Ardoğa (talk)
Nedim, I was merely reverting your undiscussed move - there is no problem with what I did.
Nevertheless, the ship is far more famous for what she did while known as Goeben in the English-speaking world than the fifty years she spent quietly in the Turkish Navy after the war. Parsecboy (talk) 18:54, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
I am tired of warring and endless discussions. Use any name you want. But know that you're mistaken. The most important event in the history of the Goeben was her operations against Russian ports. During these operations she was already renamed Yavuz. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 19:07, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
And yet in the English-speaking world, she was still called Goeben until after the end of the war. She wasn't formally transferred to the Turkish Navy until 2 November 1918, you know. Parsecboy (talk) 19:23, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Pardon me for budding in, but! GOEBAN is indeed a very recognizable historic name in English textual references, the other name triggers no I've heard of that reflex. Having said that, We Adults (I've little patience with ANYONE THAT REVERTS w/o discussion first!) usually place both in the title line of the article with more or less equal prominence, and if needed, explain the distinction towards the end of the lead (or led, if you prefer, since... to some "divided by a common language") paragraph. // FrankB 14:34, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

PING-see this answer to your question // FrankB 14:34, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for our effort to inform me about Deliçay. Deliçay (irregular flow river) is a common name and there are many Deliçay rivers. A for your remark on Yavuz; I think the problem with WP is that everybody plays with the proper names. The rule is that when there are too few English-language sources to constitute an established usage, the conventions of the language appropriate to the subject should be used. Well what is too few ? It depends on subjective evaluation. In English the capital of PROC is Pekin. In WP it is Beijing. In English, the people living in Botswana are called Bushmen. But in WP it is San people. In English the name of the scientist is Oersted. But in WP it is Ørsted. But sometimes the reverse is also true. Italian city Frienze becomes Florence and Turkish island Bozcaada becomes Tenedos. I am too aged to struggle against this nonsense. Cheers.Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 18:11, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
Re Wikipedia and names... the first I saw "the names controversy" was back in 2004-or-2005', and it became a motivator to thereafter act as a mediator, as I did for the next three or so wikiyears. That first was a similar controversy... go with a modern changed name, and blow off loads of English language history books referencing Port Arthur (was resulting redirect... now morphed into a disambig page!)... or give the article inclusionary text and context. Revisiting that page at this late date... I'm gratified and actually surprised this has withstood the assault of dozens of new snotnosed know-it-alls. See: Lüshunkou_District. The one thing I've learned about wiki editing -- there are always those with elite mindsets who want to force a solution which they alone are right about. Human activity is messy--so are our compromise fixes, so best to NOT get excised about anything on a wiki. Change it once, argue it two gos... then move on if some ass is being an ass. She/he probably can't help being an ignorant jerk. If it's important, post your arguments ont he talk page and post a notice on the village pump and WP notices to Admins pages that you'd appreciate other experienced editors weigh in, and go with the consensus. If the ass is being an ass, the community will let them know and the heat will be off you.
LOL on the too aged and tired to care on these... notice my talk page heading! This is as much a reason as any for that. IMHO, as the arguments here go to those with the most time to keep arguing after everyone else has lost interest or energy, most controversies end up with the inconsistencies you cite... or "PC" solutions pushed through as a scant consensus formed by the young and inexperienced with little experience to give perspective. Sigh.

Best wishes, // FrankB 18:04, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Draft article[edit]

Hello there. I intended to make a simple article, here but it was rejected. I see that you are experienced in Turkey place articles. Maybe you could add on it a little bit and save this stub. I am kind of disappointed with this Wikipedia thing and doubt if I ever begin another article again. Greetings. --212.174.190.23 (talk) 07:52, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Please don't quit. WP needs new editors about Project Turkey articles. But I know sometimes more experienced editors and admins discourage beginners. Be determined and log in. As for the article; one source for a stub is not a reason to delete it. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 08:13, 3 March 2014 (UTC)

Classical Sanskrit[edit]

Dear Nedim, please have a look at Sanskrit and Talk:Sanskrit. I do not want to start a fight, but I think it is incorrect to quickly make a substantial revision of the content, which has been around for a long time, without a proper reference. The subject is Classical Sanskrit, the change was from agglutinative to inflectional, which does not exist in WP and must be instead categorized as Fusional_languages. That mislabeling is confusing, in addition to the change being unsourced. Sanskrit went through 3 different stages from Classical to modern, but still has agglutinative typology, the only question is if the affixes were bonded or fused at the Classical stage as they are now, but my opponent Kwamikagami seems to have decided to resolve the subject with a brute force. I really don't care either way, except that categorization must be clear. Your help will be appreciated.Barefact (talk) 05:21, 12 March 2014 (UTC)

Dr Beste Acar[edit]

Hi Nedim, Thanks for your message. Although I cannot spend a great amount of time on wikipedia, I might consider becoming an editor in the future only for the Turkey section. Regards, Beste

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Gazi Husrev-beg Library[edit]

Thanks Nedim for pointing out that glaring omission!Petercannon usf (talk) 22:52, 16 April 2014 (UTC)

Villages[edit]

Hi, can you try to adopt this when you create articles. If anything you should create e.g Category:Populated places in Mut District and avoid generic categories.♦ Dr. Blofeld 19:29, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Cat:Populated places instead of the Cat:Province ? OK understandable. But region and province are different concepts. The first is a geographical and the later is an administrative category. In some cases one doesn't include the other. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 19:47, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I think it's better organized that way. I believe I started creating categories for Populated places by district.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:06, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

Hecatomnus[edit]

Yes, in the description it says it is probably the statue of his son Mausolo, rather than Hecatomnus (see also museum entry). More than this I don't know, feel free to replace the image if you want, just possibly create a Commonscat for all the images about this king and please link it to the article. Cheers. --Sailko (talk) 15:09, 1 May 2014 (UTC)


Request[edit]

Hello Nedim! If you are interested, and if you have time, could you or some other bilingual user please translate this into English? No worries if you can not find the time, I'll ask elsewhere, but it is about the only major article I could find on her, and it is even more interesting as it is written from the Turkish perspective. Needless to say, Google Translate isn't really up to the job. Cheers, Constantine 12:40, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

I'll try my best.Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 18:31, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
Thank you very much. Take your time, whenever you feel like it. Constantine 19:48, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Talkback[edit]

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Etiler Lisesi[edit]

Thank you so much! I added the info to Etiler Lisesi WhisperToMe (talk) 23:54, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

Tunceli/Dersim[edit]

Hello Nedim. The name of Tunceli Province has been officially changed to Dersim, with the democratization package. --Ahmetyal (talk) 13:40, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Hi, personally I have nothing against Dersim. It is an easily pronounced word. But the province is still Tunceli. Please see in [5] and [6] Cheers. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 13:47, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
Are you sure that's not the Tunceli district? It seems like that site is only for the Tunceli district. It is only the Tunceli Province's name that has been changed. --Ahmetyal (talk) 13:55, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
I think Norşin, Bitlis has the same problem. The name is changed, but Güroymak is still used [7]. --Ahmetyal (talk) 13:59, 10 June 2014 (UTC)
You have a point while discussing province and district. Yes municipality (belediye) is responsible for the central district. But the governor (valilik) is responsible for all province and it still is Tunceli Valiliği. (You can see similar headings for the other establishments such as Turnceli Universitrsi) I know about democratization package. But it seems they haven't completed the legal procrdure to change the name. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 15:20, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

Kamancheh[edit]

Would you care to peruse this article? A "new user" keeps removing the Turkish name for this musical instrument. I was hoping you might have some source for the Turkish name, use, history, etc. Thanks. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:35, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

My Grove's Dictionary of Music and Musicians(1941) makes no mention of the Turkish name for Kemantche. :( --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:40, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Is it this instrument? Looks like a kamancheh... Sorry for the intervention. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 14:10, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

Turkish musician[edit]

I have seen your name in Mersin articles. I am trying to save a previously deleted Turkish musician article, Nida Tüfekçi. Could you please contribute so that it will not be deleted again? You can also help to make an article on his late wife. Thanks and regards. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 14:08, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

The famous "Ottoman artist" (in fact he was born during the Empire) Ahmet Yakupoğlu is also facing deletion due to lack of sources in English (and in Internet) and also due to a change of surname. Your help in adding references to this article will be much appreciated. How many more neyzens and müzehhips has the world got? Thanks and regards. --Why should I have a User Name? (talk) 06:31, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Mersin Citrus Festival[edit]

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Murat Bardakçı[edit]

This edit[8] adds "Turkish Wikipedia" to an already sourced sentence. However, I did not check the youtube reference, assuming that it's a reliable source, and I figured it might be in Turkish which I do not speak or read. So I thought you might be interested in checking it. Thanks. --Kansas Bear (talk) 21:20, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Yes, Bardakçı claims that the young generation doesn't read books and WP is responsible for this ignorance. (Actually he first accuses goggle and than corrects himself) But his assistant Pelin Batu doesn't agree. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 15:32, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
Interesting. Thank you so much for checking this for me. --Kansas Bear (talk) 01:35, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Mosque narthex[edit]

Hello Nedim! Have a look here for instance for the usage of "narthex". "...vaulted bays and extending considerably beyond the main body of the mosque, creates the effect of a narthex" or "an arcade or loggia serves as a narthex to the mosque" is the closest to linking the two terms, the rest of the hits are all about Christian churches converted into mosques at a later date. Cheers, Constantine 06:33, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

Well I don't like warring. But please note that you were right in changing the title (cami→ mosque) claiming that the English words should be used in English WP. Well this is not much different . The Turkish phrase is "son cemaat yeri" . Certainly I can't use this phrase in an English text. Its equivalent in English is narthex as I have seen in architecture essays. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 07:33, 10 July 2014 (UTC)
I understand your point, and frankly architecturally it means much the same, but in actual usage, the term is restricted to churches. It would be like calling the "ambon" a "minbar". Both are pulpits, but they belong to different religions and architectural traditions and have different connotations. Likewise the narthex is the technical name for the entrance/lobby/etc. of a church, but can not be used for civic buildings, synagogues, mosques, etc. Constantine 08:23, 10 July 2014 (UTC)

New ZealandER[edit]

Hi there, could you pop over here: Talk:List_of_scientists_whose_names_are_used_in_chemical_element_names#New_ZealandER to discuss your revert? Cheers, Aaadddaaammm (talk) 01:28, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Replied. Aaadddaaammm (talk) 23:44, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Turkish Historical Review Journal[edit]

Would you happen to have access to this journal? Mehmed Ali Paşa and Sultan Mahmud II: the genesis of a conflict, Abu-Manneh, Butrus, Turkish Historical Review, volume 1, issue 1, page 5? --Kansas Bear (talk) 15:30, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

No unfortunately I haven't read the full text. But there are some excerpts in the internet. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 18:27, 6 August 2014 (UTC)

Turkish musicians[edit]

Merhabalar, bu şablonu oluşturmaktan maksadınız ne acaba? Göründüğü kadarıyla şablon gereksiz ve kullanışsızdır. Türkiye'de 2014 itibariyle binlerce sanatçı ve diğer müzisyenler vardır. Herbir Türk müzisyeni bu şablona eklemek mantıklı mı? Gördüğüm kadarıyla da bu şablona benzer diğer ülke veya bölgelere ait şablon mevcut değil. — Lubunya — 21:05, 16 August 2014 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Navigation templates. Templates provide an easy way to reach similar articles and they are used extensively in WP. Out of hundreds of musicians, only some of them have articles in WP. (Note that there is no article about Emel Sayın ) By the links of the template any reader can move to other articles. Contrary to your observation there are similar templates in WP. Only usually they are more sophisticated, including genres, styles etc. Nedim Ardoğa (talk) 06:56, 17 August 2014 (UTC)