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Barnstar for you![edit]

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I, Tangotango, do hereby award this Technology Barnstar to Neier for his diligent efforts to create and improve articles on Japanese railways. Keep up the good work! ;) Tangotango 13:14, 28 April 2006 (UTC)


Thanks! Someday, I hope all of those templates will have blue links. (^.^) There's a wealth of information on the Japanese site; but, without an existing article, I know some people would be reluctant to make a new article about a station that they have experience with. So, hopefully the stubs will lead to more active editors. Neier 10:08, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
By the way, I'll get off my rear and start uploading my 'takusan eki-o shashin'. Thanks for doing all the grunt work of translating the pages! -William McDuff 11:45, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
No problem. Golden week was pretty boring this year. (*.*) I like your goal of convincing ALTs to add to their local area; and, if a few hours of grunt work leads to a few expanded pages, then it is a good thing for WP. I still have two lines to finish in Miyagi. One is down south, and the other one is the Kurihara line which is closing next year. I haven't decided how to treat that one. Since we keep articles for merged towns around, I guess it would be ok to add them. What do you think? Neier 13:44, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
Well, I want to see them added, if for no other reason than I have pictures off all the stations from Golden Week... :D (Including Hosoura, which was closed long ago.) -William McDuff 02:54, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
Ok. You convinced me. Neier 13:49, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Barnsensu[edit]

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I hereby award this Barnsensu to you, Neier, for your tireless and extensive contributions to WikiProject Japan. The project just wouldn't be the same without you, and I want you to know you are appreciated. Thank you for all your hard work!

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Barnstar for you[edit]

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For your numerous edits in recategorizing articles, I award you this barnstar as a matter of thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miller17CU94 (talkcontribs)
Humbly accepted. I didn't realize what a mess the Category:Olympic competitors by year had become; but, now that I've started, I might as well go through 'til the end. :-) Neier 00:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Barnstar![edit]

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Boy, your work on WikiProject Japan and trains in japan is unmatchable. H irohisatTalk Page 19:52, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

AFD template[edit]

Hey, thanks for the afd-bottom template. That was my first AfD closure and I had resorted to copy-pasting material from other, closed AfDs - it turns out that there's an easily accessible guide for every aspect of deletion but this one. :P --Kizor 09:13, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Merry Christmas[edit]

Darwinek wishes you a Merry Christmas!

Hi Neier! I wish you a Merry Christmas and all the best in the new year. - Darwinek (talk) 12:20, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks!!! And, Merry Christmas to you (and anyone else who monitors my talk page) too. Nice to see that although things have been very quiet lately due to some IRL stuff, I guess I haven't been forgotten. I keep hoping that things will fall into a nice routine soon, and I can get back to causing my usual amount of trouble. :-) Neier (talk) 12:09, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Tourism in Japan[edit]

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Hiroshi Yoshizawa[edit]

Thanks for your work on the Hiroshi Yoshizawa article and the proposed delteion article saving earlier today. I greatly appreciate it. Chris (talk) 19:38, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Happy New Year[edit]

How have you been? I've had wikibreak of sorts myself over the last few months (being considerable less active), but I'm sorta back to editing and along the way, picked up the usual assortment of style issues, which you might be interested in:

  • Brian D Foy was recently moved back to brian d foy by an admin. After the Boyd mediation, WP:MOS-CL calling for normalization of personal names and articles like Bell Hooks and Catherine Yronwode following suit, it seems rather redundant to engage in another, local discussion on this, but it probably can't be helped.
  • There is currently a move request/discussion at Talk:DeviantArt, about whether or not the article should be moved to the website's official typeset, "deviantART".
  • The edit warring over the Nights into Dreams... related articles just won't die down. Judging from one of the talk pages, there has even been a little off-wiki canvassing, to rally support for the official typeset.

Oh, and I'm considering NVIDIA -> nVidia, though the sheer scope of that one seems a little daunting right now. - Cyrus XIII (talk) 12:43, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Happy new year to you too. I'm gradually catching up, now that my IRL stuff (job and prefecture change) is settling down. I'm still lagging my watchlist by about 2 days, so, I miss all of the actively edited articles, like Nights et al.
I'm definitely not ready to tackle any major conflicts like Foy head-on yet. Protecting innocent articles from AFD via thinly veiled contemptuous remarks is about all I have time for. Neier (talk) 11:00, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

New GA[edit]

Hi, Neier-- I noticed your comment at the recent AfD, and thought you might like to know that the field of Japanese adult entertainment just got (to my knowledge anyway) its first GA article-- the "Father of Japanese Porn" Takechi Tetsuji. I'm not very active at the Japan project, but if there's a process for letting them know, maybe you could. Thanks, Happy New Year, and happy editing! Dekkappai (talk) 19:06, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that there is a GA/FA mechanism on the project somewhere. I'll hunt it down, and fill it in appropriately. I really don't have much interest in the AV articles; but, the attitude of people in AFD's is grating enough that I'm prompted to defend anything remotely Japanese-related, if it deserves it. I still haven't seen anyone adequately grok the fact that since Amazon sells AV videos here as more-or-less mainstream, then applying the porn guidelines (proposed, or otherwise) is unrealistic.
BTW, did you notice Shoko Goto is up for her 3rd or 4th round? Neier (talk) 11:07, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
GA listing is done - Neier (talk) 11:04, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
Thanks, Neier. Right-- I'm really not much of an AV-buff myself-- I came of age during the Naomi Tani era, so the Nikkatsu Roman Pornos and the Toei stuff is more to my interest. What got me into Wikipedia was trying to defend these articles that were apparently constantly under attack-- articles on Japanese models I knew damned well were not as notable, but far more notable in their culture & genre than any one of the hundreds of articles on U.S. actresses. That led me to starting up articles on major AV actresses of the past, and then into the Nikkatsu Roman Porno field, and before I knew it, I'm the "Japanese porn guy"... worse labels could be applied, I guess. Tough work, but someone's got to do it! As a side note-- I'd long thought the "Speedy delete" tag once put on Kyoko Aizome was the most absurd thing I saw, until I came across THIS deletion discussion... I don't know if you know anything at all about Korean culture, but imagine a group of editors working on "The Blues" and wondering, if such a thing exists, if it really has any significance at all in African-American culture. Take that hypothetical situation, multiply it by three, and you have the han AfD... Anyway... Cheers! Dekkappai (talk) 16:52, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Redirect of Sano Ryoji[edit]

Note to self: Entire contents of deleted article from google cache was "Ryoji Sano (佐野 良二, born 1940) is a Japanese author."

CfD nomination of Category:Yugoslav athletes[edit]

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About {{JR East stations}}[edit]

Hi, it's been long since I talked to you last time. About this template, I think this is very similar to {{ja-stalink}}. What do you think of it? --Izumi5 (talk) 02:23, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

I noticed that a couple of weeks ago. That template is used in a large series of templates, not just for Japan. For an example, see the infobox of Sasakino Station. There is {{s-line}}, which is very complicated; but, basically, there are many services around the world which use the template. See all pages for a list. Besides the names like {{S-line/JR East right/Ōu Main}} and {{S-line/JR East left/Ōu Main}}, the system also needs a list of stations, which are in {{JR East stations}}. AFAIK, only the stations which need disambiguation need to be listed in that template. I think ja-stalink is better to use in articles like we already do; but, the other template is still important. Hope this helps. Neier (talk) 12:20, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
Wow, I didn't know that that big template was already created. (To our surprise, birthdays on these templates are different by only one day.) Well, I'll create articles in my way, so you will. Thanks for a quick answer. But I don't want articles to be changed by uncompleted template. See Atami Station or Zushi Station. I improved these articles and later User:Geoking66 "improved" more. But some information is missing (like line colors). If you want to use {{s-line}}, prepare well before submitting it. --Izumi5 (talk) 14:44, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
You can put the colors in. I did Atami Station's Itō Line, and some others are already done; but, may be wrong. See {{JR East color}} for details. I think you have to use the hex code (RRGGBB) and not the color name. If you look at the history of that template, you can see many attempts at understanding it.  :-) And, I think that may be a good template to use in all our articles, because it is centralized and easy to edit if we have a source for the official colors (much easier to manage, I think). You can use Itō by adding {{JR East color|Itō}} to current info boxes and line templates.
ja:日本の鉄道ラインカラー一覧 has the colors, but, some of them need to be converted from names. Neier (talk) 15:43, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
I'm glad to help you with line colors and thank you for resource. --Izumi5 (talk) 00:23, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Nice gorilla![edit]

Good shot. Fg2 (talk) 12:11, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

re:not[edit]

Thanks including the not does make more sense, Gnangarra 14:45, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Japanese cities, towns and villages[edit]

Hi there. Yes I have been merging settlements all across asia, latin america and africa to avoid confusion on what constitutes a city or a town or a village. I have done a great deal of work on cities and towns worldwide , adding infoboxes and creating location maps for over a hundred countries. I began working on Japan only to find that cities towns and villages in Japan constitute actual divisions which I wasn't aware. Sorry to start messing the system up, feel free to revert my edits in recategorizing as I can see that its techically probably best for Japan specially to have it organized in this way. One thing though I would rahter see the Japanese infoboxes convered to standard so we can add a locator of a places in the actual country as the municipal map alone does very little to inform readers who aren't aware of these places where it actually is. I would like to see the two maps one a country locator and the other a municipal regional locator in the infoboxes using Template:Location map Japan ♦Blofeld of SPECTRE♦ $1,000,000? 13:24, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: I must really fit in...[edit]

Isn't it a curious thing that absolutely nothing from that Sailor Moon debate transpired to the talk page of WP:MOSJP? We should write an essay on that behavior someday. Anyway, I just brought up Yahoo on WP:RM. This one could be a bit tricky to argue for, given that WP:MOSTM does not explicitly cover decoratively used punctuation in its examples (yet), but the guideline certainly applies in spirit/its nutshell. – Cyrus XIII (talk) 09:10, 13 April 2008 (UTC)

Could I have your opinion on the course of the discussion at the Yahoo talk page? I'm under the impression that this Andrewa guy is purposefully avoiding a straight-up response to the points the Support camp has raised, his last reply translating (to me) into something like "why should one reply to arguments presented in a discussion?"; but my perspective might be somewhat skewed. – Cyrus XIII (talk) 10:30, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Apparently, I'm being "ethnocentric" again. Could you have a look at the current discussion on my talk page and the Rossz Csillag Alatt Született article? – Cyrus XIII (talk) 20:14, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

While I don't have much time "to fight the good fight" these days either (no "M*A*S*H" for me anytime soon), a move request dealing with the iPod product line caught my attention. And there was another, rather lengthy row over caps in personal names, though I suspect that one's more or less through. – Cyrus XIII (talk) 20:47, 17 July 2008 (UTC)

RE: USA team split[edit]

Hey, no prob. It's actually been on mine for a while too.. I need put the information in the right pages though, feel free to help if you like. It's not really a rush though I don't think, at least the pages are seperate now. --Borgardetalk 09:03, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Re; Stub lists[edit]

Hi Neier, and thanks for your help with the stub lists. As far as loading goes, it's very much a case of "sometimes they do, sometimes they don't". Personally I think the master list has just about used up any usefulness it once had, but Ialso feel pretty strongly that any major changes like those that were made should at least have been discussed first, since it's likely that they may still be being used by someone in that form and - as pointed out - the form they were changed to simply duplicated an existing page. Grutness...wha? 09:24, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

PS - I notice that your header at the top of this page says "back in January"... about time you removed it, perhaps? :) Grutness...wha?

Since it seems you have been dealing with the page on an ongoing basis, can you comment on this VPT thread about the page not loading? How often does the problem appear? — Carl (CBM · talk) 17:15, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Akasako de Fereira[edit]

I was looking at the PROD and looking at the history; the user who created the page has also created a bunch of other stubs on small soccer clubs, particularly in Mozambique, and on various players in those clubs. Could your PROD be expanded to include those others or should I start a new PROD for all of them? Sean ODuibher (talk) 04:14, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

I don't think an umbrella PROD is possible. Since this is obviously vandalism, you can probably tag them each with {{db-vandalism}}, with a pointer back to the page I PRODded and an explanation similar to what you wrote above. Neier (talk) 13:34, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Netumbo Amoya for some more discussion on these. Some of the articles appear to pass our inclusion bar; but, without any google hits it is hard to say. Neier (talk) 11:48, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Shinto Shrine category[edit]

I noticed that you've been delisting Shinto shrines from their parent category of Category:Shinto shrine when they are listed in prefecture subcategories. Personally, I think it is a better idea to leave them in the parent category for the reason listed in Wikipedia:Categorization and subcategories under that Secondary categorization rule:

"When an article is put into a subcategory based on an attribute that is not the first thing most people would think of to categorize it, it should be left in the parent category as well."

Thoughts? Am I wrong here? Torsodog (talk) 01:56, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

I think that the location of something is a pretty obvious way to categorize shrines or other buildings. I also can't think of any similar category where the ... in country or even ... in prefecture categorization tree exists and where all the articles are double-cat'd like you suggest. I just checked Category:Skyscrapers, Category:Cathedrals, Category:Railway stations, and Category:Sports venues along with various subcats, and, couldn't find any case where the double cat is widespread. Neier (talk) 14:17, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
Alright, nevermind then. Torsodog (talk) 18:26, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

DearS[edit]

Please revert your move of the article DearS. You moved it to Dears, claiming the capitalized "S" is purely stylistic. I'm guessing you probably think "DearS" is the single word "dears", the plural form of the noun "dear". In actuality, the "S" is pronounced separately, and the "dear" is an adjective. If anything about "DearS" is stylistic, it is the lack of a space. Thus, a completely non-stylized form would be "Dear S". The version without a space is known as CamelCase, and Wikipedia's style guide explicitly allows it. The CamelCase article has many examples of articles with CamelCase titles. The title of the article should be "DearS". The title "Dear S" would also work, but "Dears" is just wrong. Herorev (talk) 08:01, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

According to the article lede, the discussion that was held on the article's talk page, and even the Japanese article, the S is not pronounced separately. I'm well aware of what CamelCase is; and, when used appropriately, I don't take issue with it. This is not one of those cases, though. Neier (talk) 12:22, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
I do not see such a mention in the article's introductory paragraph or on the article's talk page, and I cannot read Japanese. I do see in the article, as was mentioned in the anime, that "DearS" means "dear friends", which supports that "dear" is an adjective describing "S". I also see on the talk page agreement that if "DearS" is pronounced like "dear ess", as it is in the anime, that "DearS" is the proper capitalization. "DearS" is not "dears", the plural form of "dear", but "dear s". Herorev (talk) 01:10, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
The opening katakana in the {{nihongo}} template says it is pronounced close to Diaz; and, the Japanese wikipedia article also says as much. On the talk page, it looks like one or two people call it "Dear S" amongst themselves, but, we have to keep articles at their official names, and not at some conjectured abbreviation. As for the possibility that it is an abbreviation for "dear friends", the title capitalized as "DearF" would probably be acceptable if that is what it was called; but it isn't the name. Just like capitalizing a title as "Dear friendS" would be blatantly against the MoS, there is no reason to change the case of the "s" just because other letters in the middle are left out. Neier (talk) 00:53, 25 May 2008 (UTC)

CfD nomination of Category:Templates for Railway Lines of Japan[edit]

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About the municipalities prior to 1868[edit]

Are there any references related with all the 300+ "han", all the districts and all the municipalities prior to the Meiji era? jlog3000 (talk) 19:22, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

How about List of Han ? There are two refs at the bottom of that page; one of which is online (and in Japanese). It has been featured by Yahoo.jp, and MSN.jp; so, I doubt that there is a reliability problem. The Japanese transwiki of Abolition of the han system also has a fairly detailed list of how the current set of prefectures were built out of the han. Neier (talk) 22:09, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Template talk:Year in baseball[edit]

Hi there. As one of the first editors to this template I would like to see what you think of my preposition on the templates talk page. Thanks ·Ãḍď§ђɸŗЄ· Talk 21:50, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Olympic cats[edit]

Hi Neier! If you are not to busy can you please have a look here: [1]? As you are the "Olympic cat expert" I would like to ask you what to do in these cases? Thanks in advance and kind regards :) Doma-w (talk) 13:04, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your quick reply and help! Kind regards :) Doma-w (talk) 18:27, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

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Jesus Loves You(song)[edit]

I've reverted your redirect on Jesus Loves You(song) because although I agree with your reasoning, the title of the article is malformed (no space between the bracket and "song") so it is unlikely to be a useful redirect. Probably better to let the prod expire. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 13:52, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, since it could be useful if it was formatted correctly, I moved it to the correct title. Since it's late, I forgot that it would leave the redirect form Jesus Loves You(song) -> Jesus Loves You (song) hanging around... That can probably be deleted speedily now, though; since it is malformed.Neier (talk) 14:10, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
Done. And someone else has changed your redirect. What a lot of work on an article that could have been allowed to quietly disappear. Thanks. Delicious carbuncle (talk) 14:19, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

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Cats[edit]

Hi Neier! Please allow me to ask you again for your help concerning categories. Please see here: [2]. As you are the "Cat expert" what do you think in this case? Thanks in advance and kind regards :) Doma-w (talk) 07:52, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

kaizo hayashi[edit]

Thanks for saving the Kaizo Hayashi stub! I had no idea how to figure out the kanji in his name, so I couldn't find his ja wikipedia article. Luvcraft (talk) 18:59, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

August 1, 2003[edit]

I was stunned to see the discussion on this closed as "no consensus, default to keep", since very few people suggested an outright keep, and most would have been satisfied with a merge. I honestly don't think the closing administrator paid attention to any of the comments. Regardless of how you felt on this issue-- delete, merge, keep -- I think that everyone's comments showed that a lot of people care about this issue, and "no consensus" was similar to a snub. I've asked for a review, and invite everyone to give their two cents worth at [3]. Best wishes. Mandsford (talk) 00:03, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

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Kabushiki-gaisha/Kabushiki kaisha[edit]

Look at the article. It uses Kabushiki-gaisha not Kabushiki kaisha. moocows rule 02:10, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Tell me why it should be "KK" rather than "KG". KG is the correct term for 株式会社. "Kabushiki kaisha" is an incorrect American coining of the term "株式会社". moocows rule 02:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
And besides, links are usually never provided for "Kabushiki-gaisha". moocows rule 02:56, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
And what company uses "KK" as an abbreviation for 株式会社? moocows rule 02:58, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
Again, What company uses "KK" as an abbreviation for 株式会社? moocows rule 03:00, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
I've never really seen it abbreviated, so I was skeptical. I think that it should be "KG" because that is what the article uses for 株式会社. moocows rule 03:08, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

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