User talk:NeilN/Archive 11

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Last warning?

I'm being told that I am vandalising some page for no reason. Whats going on?

You're getting a short vacation. --NeilN talk to me 02:43, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
I wonder if there is a competition for edit #499999999 and what the prize is? I sure could use a vacation. Obotlig interrogate 17:12, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
500000000 edit. --NeilN talk to me 23:22, 30 June 2012 (UTC)
Nein! Obotlig interrogate 01:56, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

IMDB reverted

I am confused by the modification of concerning the IMDB being user generated as a credit. Can you clarify this please?

Thanks for clarifying Neil!

Hostile edits

Quick question- I've tried to add and clean up a page but continually am having my entries erased and edited by the same individual (Sethjohnsonct). He then attacks me in the revision history line making ridiculous claims that I'm actually the guy I'm writing on it. I have no idea why and it's becoming frustrating as well as making my wiki experience a negative one. I'm obviously not the guy (last I checked :) ) yet don't know how to resolve this by demonstrating proper citations and elaborating details and historic items for the page but then he reverts to his prior edits that I have detailed are inaccurate and false in many cases. On top of it, he is hostile. I've been editing for a bit (just recently started under an actual account) and have never had this kind of situation. I feel like it's pointless to continue contributing if he's going to aggressively yank stuff and then attack me personally.

The page is: Here's the history of edits and his strange meritless allegations:

What do I do? How do I find a resolution to this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sharkmandude4000 (talkcontribs) 20:37, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Replied here. --NeilN talk to me 21:03, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks Neil. I posted in the talk section of that wiki page. What will happen now that I re-posted the query in that forum? Should I bother fixing the page again? I'm confused and frustrated. Sorry for bothering. Sharkmandude4000 (talk) 21:10, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

You're already at WP:3RR so any further reverts could result in a block. I've responded to you on the article's talk page. Let's continue the conversation there. --NeilN talk to me 21:13, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi Neil. Sorry to bother again but there seems to be a struggle with the same user (now using just an I.P. without username) with the same article listed above. He's not hostile but I've attempted to request he not manipulate the wording of the sources but he ignores and just undoes my edits. Not sure, maybe there is a bias towards the subject? I've tried clarify his adds to the page but he reverts them continually to fit with whatever narrative or agenda he wants, disregarding certain specifics detailed in sources. (Sharkmandude4000 (talk) 15:43, 5 July 2012 (UTC))

External link to Justins biography

The link that iainturville1 created does lead to Justin Beiber's biography. i cant see any reason as being spam. — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 03:03, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Replied here. --NeilN talk to me 03:09, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Protection of Higgs boson

I (re-)submitted the article to WP:RFP because of the ongoing edit war with those people who seem to insist that the Higgs boson is named after Satyendra Bose. I thought you might like to know. CodeCat (talk) 21:32, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

Thanks. That article has kept us busy today! --NeilN talk to me 21:34, 4 July 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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Neil is a huge help in resolving a matter with a hostile edit featuring a biased user. His diligence and advice was incredibly helpful. Wiki is richer for having him on board! Sharkmandude4000 (talk) 00:14, 5 July 2012 (UTC)

Picture removal

I won't remove it any more, do what you do, at your own risk! read the RDL talk page

Moonslide (talk) 12:40, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I have and I have. --NeilN talk to me 12:42, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Moonslide, please be very careful throwing in expressions like "at your own risk". Note WP:NLT, and that legal threats are immediately blockable. Drmies (talk) 13:56, 6 July 2012 (UTC)


Neil, I apologize for mentioning it as vandalism. Its a good faith edit I admit, but the new editor is constantly reverting the edits which was there since the very beginning. He is simply refusing to cooperate. Thanks--♥ Kkm010 ♥ ♪ Talk ♪ ߷ ♀ Contribs ♀ 13:51, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Are you sure that name derives from that scientist even though the source is saying, if possible try to put some more credible source.--♥ Kkm010 ♥ ♪ Talk ♪ ߷ ♀ Contribs ♀ 14:58, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I'm sure. And Webster's is a very credible source. But I've added a second source as you requested. --NeilN talk to me 15:07, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
You have done a good job my dear friend. By putting additional source it would be really helpful in understanding from where that name derives. I have a plea, if you could semi-protect this article at-least 1 month it would be better. Since this article is particularly related to Higgs boson many IPs are editing without adding any kind of source and more over User:Nickni28 too is adamant. Therefore please semi-protect this article.--♥ Kkm010 ♥ ♪ Talk ♪ ߷ ♀ Contribs ♀ 15:16, 6 July 2012 (UTC)
I'm not an admin so I can't protect the article. The proper place to ask is WP:RFPP but I think your current chances of protecting the article are iffy. Regardless, I am keeping an eye on it. --NeilN talk to me 15:29, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

WGO Properties

Hi Neil, question for you. How can the article on Court Bauer reference WGO Properties without mentioning that there is no reference to the company online? There is no website, no articles written about the company other than Court Bauer-related articles, and the company was (according to Bauer) an Asian entertainment company that worked with several artists. You can't find anything online from any artist that will point to WGO Properties. There isn't even a reference online that will describe what the acronym WGO stands for. Also, you'd think that if such a company existed that there would at least be press releases from them with details on how they acquired MLW or perhaps details on other business ventures. A search on does not pull up anything for either.

Also, see this.

[ - Proof that not only was Court Bauer lying about selling MLW to WGO Properties, but that WGO Properties doesn't even exist.]

Much of what you describe is original research which we don't accept. Generally, we can't say x didn't exist because we can't find records of x. We can say x didn't exist if a good quality source unambiguously says x didn't exist. I've made an edit to the article that will hopefully appease both sides (or make them equally unhappy). --NeilN talk to me 15:23, 6 July 2012 (UTC)

Marketing /* B2C buying behaviour */


apologies for deleting your addition to the Marketing#B2C_buying_behaviour page. Hope you agree with my reasoning.

Kind regards

--JonPoley (talk) 12:44, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

It actually wasn't my edit, it was A53collins's. I was re-reverting a mistaken revert I did. --NeilN talk to me 15:00, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

Homer, Alaska

Hi Neil,

I was trying to add two of the most long lived and highest impact charities of Homer. Center for Alaskan Coastal Studies is 30 years old and key player in our community's culture running both Wynn Nature Center and the critically acclaimed Peterson Bay Field Station. Sustainability is widely celebrated in Homer and it is known for Sustainable Homer, being referenced for climate change adaptation nationally.

These are my first tries at adding on before I tried a major post. I appreciate your guidance. Is there a video about making a wikipedia entry? Kathryn Haber (talk) 06:14, 8 July 2012 (UTC)Kathryn Haber

Replied here. --NeilN talk to me 16:00, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

About Enrico Fermi

Hello NeilN, Please take part at Talk:Enrico Fermi#Italian American section where heavy discussion going on nationality status. And thanks for sending me message. Thanks--♥ Kkm010 ♥ ♪ Talk ♪ ߷ ♀ Contribs ♀ 10:03, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

Bikram Singh (General)

Ref my edit Bikram Singh (General)

Neil, As a graduate of the 40th course at the National Defence Academy and a batch mate of Gen. Singh, the information that he is from the '40th course’ will be useful to many Wikipedia readers as it will relate to the years of his training at the NDA; in this case 1968-71. As a senior editor of Wikipedia, you would be aware that since 1948, a large number of Indian as well as foreign officers (mostly from Commonwealth cuntries) have been trained at the National Defence Academy of India. In the case of another of our batch mate Gen. GM Nair, I observe that '40th course' is mentioned in link below:

Please see link for Gen. Singh's and names of others Chiefs of Staff of the Indian Armed forces indicating their respective courses in the NDA website below;

You are welcome to take the decision of adding or deleting this information as you feel appropriate.

Thanks and regards, Capt. Mohan Kuruvilla — Preceding unsigned comment added by Capt. Mohan Kuruvilla (talkcontribs) 07:17, 10 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi Captain. The editor who expressed concern about this article wasn't me, it was User:Ratnakar.kulkarni [1]. --NeilN talk to me 04:39, 11 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks Neil. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Capt. Mohan Kuruvilla (talkcontribs) 06:41, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

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For helping out so much on the higgs boson article when we had all of those people pushing for untrue and warped statements. Also for giving me the heads-up about being careful about edit warring during that time when you were very busy with other stuff undoubtedly. StringTheory11 04:32, 11 July 2012 (UTC)

Talk:Jennifer Lawrence

Sorry for the confusion NeilN, I did specifically intend to raise the issue regarding the Jennifer Lawrence article and particularly the content which other editors had insisted was appropriate for that talk page, as it relates to and affects that article. Thanks for your attention. Obotlig interrogate 06:23, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

I see you're watching this guy's activities, so I'd like to tell you about how he's continously spamming Talk:Samus Aran with misogynic comments like if it was Love-shy forums: [2] --Niemti (talk) 14:00, 13 July 2012 (UTC)

Gave him his last warning and he was blocked a couple minutes after that. Not sure if he'll get the message though. --NeilN talk to me 21:18, 13 July 2012 (UTC)
Sameguy: [3][4] --Niemti (talk) 01:04, 18 July 2012 (UTC)


at least conduct a tiny bit of research before you undo my edits.

you've been wong on OT demo, Egypt demo (Greeks), and Algeria demo (millions of Turks).

That's 3.

i await your apology. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Saint-Michel-de-Montaigne (talkcontribs) 01:57, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Sorry, no. Why would you remove what seems to be an adequately sourced paragraph and picture and refer to it as a joke? --NeilN talk to me 02:06, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
"what seems to be an adequately sourced paragraph" - key phrase. do a little digging, and come back and tell me there are millions of Turks living in Algeria (or millions of Greeks in Egypt for that matter; or any Kurds or Armenians at all in the West Bank or Gaza). Saint-Michel-de-Montaigne (talk) 02:10, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
But that's not what you removed as a "joke": "There is also a minority of about 600,000 to 2 million Algerian Turks who arrived in the region during the Ottoman colonization of North Africa;[85] today's Turkish descendants are often called "Kouloughlis" which means the descendants of Turkish men and of native Algerian women.[86][87]" (emphasis mine) If you have issues with the sources, then say that. --NeilN talk to me 02:18, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
OMG, of course those sources are wrong. Even if they weren't, the language as written doesn't even represent what the rubbish sources say. For the last time, why don't you do like, 30 seconds of Googling, to find out the sources are wrong before revert, revert, reverting. Saint-Michel-de-Montaigne (talk) 18:43, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Because you didn't say the sources were wrong. It's up to you to provide an understandable edit summary. --NeilN talk to me 20:25, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
And you're still changing numbers without providing sources of your own or giving any kind of edit summary. --NeilN talk to me 20:30, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
So, what about your apology for the other two reverts? Saint-Michel-de-Montaigne (talk) 21:08, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
One revert you had no edit summary to explan why you were removing text, the other you referred to as a "joke" again. Note that I have taken your word that the sources in Algeria are incorrect - you have not provided any proof. --NeilN talk to me 21:15, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Not man enough. That's what I thought. Saint-Michel-de-Montaigne (talk) 21:18, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

I note with some amusement that two other editors have reverted your Algeria edit. You'll need to use the talk page. --NeilN talk to me 21:22, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
I note with even more amusement that that you are still unable to admit you were wrong. Google is your friend. Here's a hint: Smithsonian, 1908. Happy searching. Saint-Michel-de-Montaigne (talk) 21:38, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
And that's exactly what's wrong with your edits. Don't make people guess at what you're trying to get at. Use informative edit summaries or talk pages (like you've just done). --NeilN talk to me 21:52, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Or, you could have just let the edit stand - and checked the facts for yourself. But I guess that would have required the exertion of too many brain cells and mouse clicks for you. Saint-Michel-de-Montaigne (talk) 23:13, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
You make a change/addition/deletion, it's up to you to provide sources or a understandable reason. --NeilN talk to me 23:30, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Exactly. And yet you still refuse to apologize. Saint-Michel-de-Montaigne (talk) 00:31, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
But you didn't provide sources or a understandable reason with your initial deletions. --NeilN talk to me 00:33, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
  • Note- These edits are under discussion at ANEW --Tgeairn (talk) 00:40, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks. I see that Saint-Michel-de-Montaigne is taking a short break. His edits may be good but more discussion and explanation would be better. --NeilN talk to me 00:45, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
Make that a long break Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Ledenierhomme/Archive. --NeilN talk to me 20:29, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

requesting assistance

Dear NeilN,

can you suggest any actions I can take regarding the harrassment I am receiving from someone who goes by "TennisAnalyst004"? Unhappy with the way his case turned out on the Roger Federer page, he is engaging in increasingly vituperative exchanges with me on my talkpage. As if that weren't enough, he allges that I violated the three revert rule on the Federer page, which I did not do - but he did. I find his comportment on my own talkpage, as well as the Federer talkpage, to be inappropriate. Any advice would be most appreciated. Schpinbo (talk) 06:12, 15 July 2012 (UTC)

Both of you need to stop baiting each other and focus on article content only. The 3RR complaint may not go anywhere as you weren't warned beforehands and I've clarified for TennisAnalyst004 what we mean by vandalism and good faith. If he continues to bait you then you can ask for help at WP:WQA but be aware your own edits will be scrutinized too. --NeilN talk to me 07:27, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Dear NielN, thank you for your feedback. Regarding mutual baiting: I freely confess that my patience for TennisAnalyst004 is wearing exceptionally thin. But permit me to point out that I initiated a correspondence with him on his own talkpage, to elaborate on my rationale for the change to content on the Federer page, which he kept reverting without explanation. His responses were intemperate and rude; he has since gone on to my own talkpage to engage in increasingly vituperative and abusive flaming. I hope this can be stopped; I believe that scrutiny of my edits and responses to him will show that I am not abusing his talkpage as he is mine. My initial effort to address him on his talkpage was to speak to the substance of the issue - which in my view was an issue of language meant to clarify what was meant by "greatest ever" - and to explain why I kept inserting the wording that you and others have agreed was preferable. Permit me to suggest that his exchanges with you, as well as other users to whom he went complaining about me without merit (including a presumption that he could have me blocked), points to a similar stridency (witness his accusation that objective third parties sound like my "friends"). I simply ask that he stop polluting my page. Schpinbo (talk) 08:05, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
May I ask you to visit TennisAnalyst004's latest screed? ( I have no idea whom he is addressing - admittedly he is putting this on his own talkpage now, not mine. Schpinbo (talk) 08:11, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
You're shooting yourself in the foot. You want admins to take action against TennisAnalyst004 for incivility but you call him names too. As I said before, admins will look at both your edits. --NeilN talk to me 08:16, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi NielN. Yes, you are correct; I don't deny that I am. The difference is he is harrassing me on my talkpage; I am not doing the same to him, on his talkpage. Nor am I creating new sections of my talkpage with insults directed at him in the title. If Wikipedia has nothing to say against such comportment on his own talkpage, I can accept that; but hopefully a request that he leave my talkpage alone is reasonable? (apologies for the prior mix-up, by the way) Schpinbo (talk) 08:35, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Can I suggest you take a short break of a day or two or at least ignore what he's doing on his talk page? If you ignore his insults/baiting then maybe you can get back to discussing the article. And if he continues his behavior, well, it's a lot easier to take action against one editor if the other has "clean hands". --NeilN talk to me 08:36, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
Yes, that's fine. Thanks for your recommendations. And kudos for getting a "sir" out of him. Schpinbo (talk) 08:42, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
I just wanted to make you aware that I've experienced almost the identical outrageous behavior from TennisAnalyst over the past few days. It also involves the Federer article. -- (talk) 15:53, 27 July 2012 (UTC)


Hi Neil,

I do not know what sockpuppeting is? Could you please inform me?

Perhaps you can provide me with advice on what can be done to avoid this. I noticed that there were citations needed for the Inova sites, there were two.

There is also missing information for the rest of the hospital sites. Are we not allowed to list them? Are a director? Please advise...

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by ShanaMarketing1 (talkcontribs) 16:37, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Replied here. --NeilN talk to me 16:43, 16 July 2012 (UTC)


I didn't want to create a new account. I lost the password for my original account. This was not on purpose. So i figured by using an account as similar to my original, i could continue with my changes. Please unblock me and allow me to continue. I am trying to learn here. I am following the Wikipedia rules by not promoting content but rather by stating facts...I am not using multiple links, and I an using outside sources for the citations. I request to be unblocked and for you to allow me to continue.

Thank you! ShanaMarketing1

Replied here. --NeilN talk to me 17:02, 16 July 2012 (UTC)


Accidentally reverted undid your edit here instead of the vandal (ironically with the same summary and with Twinkle too ;)). I reverted my undo, but thought I should let you know. Best, --Kangaroopowah 04:25, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

Saw that and guessed that's what happened. No worries. --NeilN talk to me 04:27, 17 July 2012 (UTC)

About Commodity

Hello NeilN, I'm confused about Commodity trading company. If you see those company articles most of the sources say they are food processing other source say they are commodities trading company which one is true. I for instance changed many of those company "industry section" to food processing, source taken from here Forbes Global 2000. Do you think they are correct? and what do you think about commodities trading. Please let me know quickly. Thanks--♥ Kkm010 ♥ ♪ Talk ♪ ߷ ♀ Contribs ♀ 04:53, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

They can be both. A company can take raw materials and trade them as commodities or process them into food. Do you have a specific company in mind? --NeilN talk to me 12:33, 18 July 2012 (UTC)
What do you mean by saying "Do you have a specific company in mind?". Have you seen those Commodity trading company and should I put both "food processing" as well as "commodity" in the "industry section". What do you think companies like Cargill, Archer Daniels Midland, Noble Group or Bunge Limited basically are carefully research and let me know.--♥ Kkm010 ♥ ♪ Talk ♪ ߷ ♀ Contribs ♀ 09:46, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
Please respond.--♥ Kkm010 ♥ ♪ Talk ♪ ߷ ♀ Contribs ♀ 13:53, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Please help protect the Roger Federer article

Hello again, Neil. Today there was some discussion on the Federer talk page about the phrase "widely considered" in the first sentence of the article. Somehow the lively discussion led to somebody's deletion of the line "widely considered the greatest tennis player of all time." This kind of mischief has been going on for quite a while. Can you or somebody else protect the Federer article, or at least the first paragraph of it? Thank you. TennisAnalyst004 (talk) 20:04, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

FYI... TennisAnalyst has been causing a lot trouble again, just like he did a few weeks with Schpinbo. And when he accused you of acting "more like Schpinbo's friend/ally than a disinterested observer" after you pointed out his trolling and his "provocative and misleading" content on the Federer talk page. -- (talk) 16:28, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

User 76 -- aka Schpinbo? -- is stalking me on Wikipedia. This guy has played a very disruptive role on the Federer talk page. He has deleted the second sentence of the article on numerous occasions, attacked others repeatedly, and refused to comply with the consensus wording until somebody came in and protected the article. Today another member, TheLou75 [5], asked User 76 "to refrain from personal attacks." I have asked another admin to look closely at User 76's behavior. Regards, TennisAnalyst004 (talk) 16:59, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

Neil, just take a look at The Bushranger's talk page. He's an admin. That'll help clear things up. And also see Schpinobo's talk page here and here. Apparently, you're already aware of Tennis's disruptive and erratic behavior. He's getting to be well known among Wikipedians. Take care. -- (talk) 17:09, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Just to confirm: I am not 76 in disguise; nor is 76 me in disguise. Schpinbo (talk) 18:58, 27 July 2012 (UTC)
Thanks, Schpinbo. I'm sure they have some way to quickly prove it and finally get this guy to stop defaming us. Hopefully, they'll ban him for awhile for going around making these false accusations. And btw, if you're not me in disguise, I guess I couldn't be you in disguise. I had to think about that one for a few seconds. Haha. -- (talk) 20:01, 27 July 2012 (UTC)

re: my alleged correction to Skin?!


My apologizes for not answering this message sooner. I don't come here very often, and I just noticed that I had a "new message" here. I didn't know that was possible!

Anyhow, about my statement being removed regarding "Skin", I don't recall making any comments, and if I did, it would have been over a year ago, so I don't remember.

Again, my apologizes in replying so late! :) (talk) 23:50, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Court Bauer edits

Neil, it seems you previously settled the drama on the Court Bauer page, but your approved version of the page has been repeatedly vandalized in the last few days. A user is clearly using multiple names/IPs to obsessively edit your approved version of the article. When he is warned, he just uses a different IP. Bauer is a relatively obscure TV producer in the grand scheme of things, so it's very bizarre that there are suddenly so many "different people" editing his page, especially when most of the edits are unsigned and the vast majority of "different people" editing the page have never made any previous wiki edits. Larsonrick25 (talk) 08:31, 7 August 2012 (UTC)


Hi NeilN, today I just want to say "hello" and tell you that I have not forgetten your help. Cheers, Egeymi (talk) 19:47, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

NeilN, I hope you are OK. Whenever you come back, hope you say "hello". Egeymi (talk) 20:52, 26 August 2012 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)

Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page.

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ANI notice re: Internet television

Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Editor claims to want to make me "famous" by making a movie about my actions which they dispute. Thank you. --- Barek (talkcontribs) - 18:14, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

File:Tropes vs woman.jpg listed for deletion

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