User talk:NeilN/Archive 2

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Buzz Out Loud

In what way is adding link to a private wiki Spam? if you had checked, you would have found that the buzz out loud wiki does indeed exist, is endorsed by the hosts and contributers, and listeners of the show (as shown by the CNET forums, and has widely become the place for the buzz out loud show to be documented outside of wikipedia. I was merely providing a method for users interested in the show to find more documentation. As is understandable. You may not know, but the buzz out loud community started this wiki, in collaboration with the hosts, as an effort to provide documentation outside of wikipedia as it was felt that that there was much content that needed to be recorded, but was either removed by hostile wikipedia users, or did not have a true place on wikipedia. Much of this content is relavent, so i would encourage you to go to, and inquire about the wiki,as well as search for it. If you do, you will find my edits were just and fair, and merely linking to a source that provided more information, nothing more, nothing less. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Thepodcasticator (talkcontribs) 17:09, 10 February 2008 (UTC)


why do you constantly revert the fact that Nick Abott and Steve Allan are homosexual. Have you heard their radio program? Have you looked at their websites? Homoman11 (talk) 19:50, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

Responded here: [1] (no reliable sources) --NeilN talkcontribs 20:03, 9 December 2007 (UTC)

No Problem

It was not necessary too. thank you.T2345 06:12, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


For fixing the format for Salian Frankish Mythology at Articles for Deletion. I guess I was an amateur .....  ;-) johanthon 19:28, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the kind welcome. KrazJoe 09:30, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Re: Penny pool

Hi Neil - you wrote: What would be an appropriate AfD nomination reason for this article?

Well, you've got a reasonable reason - it's just you've connected one dot too many. If you said "No references found or provided supporting notability - looks like it might be WP:MADEUP", then there'd be no problem, because more often than not, that'll be true. It's just the automatic assumption that might be wrong, so should be avoided. Basically, if it looks like a duck and swims it might still be a goose :) Grutness...wha? 13:00, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

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Yorkshire & Humberside Grid for Learning

Is there any direct reason for deleting this article?OsirisV 15:28, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

John Bowlby and Maternal Deprivation

Neil I would appreciate you looking at these pages also as well as the updates I have made to Prof Sir Michael Rutter, if possible.

Many thanks, again

kip Kingsley Miller —Preceding unsigned comment added by KingsleyMiller (talkcontribs) 23:40, 16 October 2007 (UTC)

Dear Fanities and Jim, & Neil

Just to say I am very pleased with my pages on;-

°Professor Sir Michael Rutter °Maternal deprivation °Michael Rutter Centre for Children and Adolescents

I should just like to thank you for your help and to say, despite the considerable improvement, the new page on attachment still needs sorting. Nevertheless many thanks.

kipKingsleyMiller 14:56, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Page blanking

If I recall correctly, original authors can request deletion of their pages. Blanking them does nothing but leave empty pages floating on the database. Courtesy blanking would be an exception, but that clearly wasn't the intent here. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 02:56, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

So it does. My mistake. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 03:10, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Mexico City Furia

A tag has been placed on the article about Mexico City Furia requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. With all due respect, I don't agree with that decision due to the importante of the CGS ( for the electronic sports, especially for Latin America. I really hope you can understand. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Baal Zak (talkcontribs) 03:00, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the advice --Baal Zak 03:10, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Assemblies of Yahweh

I started trying to clean up the article myself, but realized that I was just hindering your good work, and you managed to stop the SPA editor. Good job! Acroterion (talk) 16:39, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Thanks, and I agree, cleanup and a couple more refs are what the article needs. However I see that editing is still occurring. I'll probably wait an hour until the activity dies down and then look at the outcome. If you want to take action beforehand, please do! --NeilN 16:46, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
The current editing looks mostly productive - I'll look at it this evening (Eastern US); I think I've driven past the AOY shortwave radio station along Interstate 78 in Pennsylvania a few times, and the article caught my eye. Acroterion (talk) 17:06, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
I reverted the latest mess but if it keeps up would you mind giving your thoughts? --NeilN 01:25, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I can see that you are concerned, as I am, about this article. You cited the Baptist article as a model so I am working in their image to get some relevent facts into it. The problem is, there is an anom that keeps overwriting everything. I need advise as to what to do to get the Assemblies of Yahweh article fleshed out. Thanks! WEMUS 23:50, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

I think Acroterion has taken care of it. I've placed a note on the anon IP's talk page telling them to use the talk page and will keep an eye on the article. --NeilN 01:44, 24 October 2007 (UTC)
I don't know that I've taken care of it, but I've done a little tidying and made it sound a little less sermon-like. It needs more work, but I have actual real-life work to do, so I can't devote much time to sorting it out. The IP's systematic deletion of all previous edits is particularly tiresome, given the effort by WEMUS to talk about it, whether we agree with him or not. Acroterion (talk) 02:19, 24 October 2007 (UTC)


"Usually pages are salted to prevent re-creation" <-- I've mostly been editing at another WMF project for the past 14 months. What does "salted" mean? --JWSchmidt 05:58, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Posting blood types?

I know why you removed the blood type info from Kanoko Hatamiya. If you really don't understand it, see Japanese blood type theory of personality.Kitty53 18:24, 22 October 2007 (UTC)


For future reference, don't post vandal warnings in response to edits made in good faith that you disagree with. You are also now engaging in wikistalking. Continue and I will take this WP:AN/I. Perspicacite 06:01, 25 October 2007 (UTC)

Judging by your inappropriate use of the vandal-template on Aterkmani's talkpage, you evidently do not understand what is considered vandalism. Posting Arabic text to Minister of Defence (Syria) is certainly inadvisable but it is not vandalism. Review Wikipedia:Vandalism. Perspicacite 06:04, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Replied here: [2]. Do what you must. --NeilN 06:18, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
No, neither of his edits were vandalism, and the warning you posted is not used for good-faith edits. Perspicacite 06:26, 25 October 2007 (UTC)
Then we disagree. That's fine. --NeilN 06:28, 25 October 2007 (UTC)


Sorry, I didnt even notice, thanks for catching that for me, cheers (♠Taifarious1♠) 08:13, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Role-playing games

For articles on role-playing games, we recommend the following layout:


It is intended that this section should give a narrative history of the game. Long lists of all books published for a given game or system are not recommended for inclusion in articles; however, an external link pointing to such a list is strongly recommended.

There is no external link as it is a compiled list of the books, modules and supplements. The list is not in the history section; it is set off in a section by itself FOR REFERENCE. Most of the books are now Out of Print because the licensing with WOTC has expired. The list may be a little long but this is all thats going to published. The next version of HackMaster is not even scheduled yet so it may be 2 or 3 years OR not at all.

==See also==
  • A section for references at the bottom, in the following format:
    Books, modules, supplements, boxed sets, etc
    Author or editor. Title of product (publisher, date). Available online:URL, if applicable
==External links==

Leinad35 10:26, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

See [3] --NeilN 15:49, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

User Allen1221

In reference to your comments on my talk page regarding User Allen1221, he has been continually attempting to convert En-GB and En-IN articles to En-US, as well as editing the Al Jazeera English article to insinuate some sort of Jewish bias. This is despite repeated warnings and repeated reversions of his changes by other editors. Whenever a warning is posted on his talk page, he blanks it (look at its history). This far beyond a case of biting the newcomers. I suggest that you take a look at his editing history more closely.

I am going to report him due to his continued misbehaviour.

Yama 05:09, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Just letting you know that the Admins have been notifiedYama 05:20, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

I Love Music

I don't know what you're talking about, son. Just correcting an entry! Clive Renquist 08:36, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

This [4]. --NeilN 15:10, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Complexo do Alemão

You are wrong about that revert. "Alemão" is an ethnic slur used in the favelas, and it's a close equivalent to "Honky". German simply doesn't translate it. I hope you read more about that. 15:35, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Replied here [5] --NeilN 15:47, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

A Shiny Barnstar!

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Awarded to NeilN for beating me on the draw quite a few times & keeping peace on the 'pedia. --Pumpmeup 05:16, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
No worries, all the best :-) --Pumpmeup 05:26, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

What a perspicacious Wikipedian you are, NeilN!

Re: Lorena, Texas

Unfortunately I have no source for the offices. I am basically acting on instinct here (I doubt that Abraham Lincoln is the mayor). Maybe we should ask on the talk page. (Note: Between your original post and my reply, the article had been vandalised. Thankfully, Jauerback reverted it. The vandalism was not even the usual subtle replacement with misinformation, it was pretty blatant. I don't think there's enough vandalism to qualify the article for semi-protection yet, but it's an option to consider in the future.) Puchiko (Talk-email) 22:48, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

My talkpage

Please assume good faith when dealing with other editors. See Wikipedia:Assume good faith for the guidelines on this. J 23:29, 9 November 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I'm also glad you seemed to have stopped refactoring comments [6], [7]. --NeilN 00:55, 10 November 2007 (UTC)


Maybe I shouldn't have called it a "high quality link", but regardless (and having read it over again), there are a few sentences on that site which have important information not featured in Shen Kuo's article.--Pericles of AthensTalk 14:26, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

National Football League

Thanks for catching that, I missed it. – Luna Santin (talk) 22:21, 11 November 2007 (UTC)


Another edit war starting. Please check out discussion page.Hairdye100 02:54, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

I am only trying to revert Jenny Midol's deletes, hence I have violated 3RR. I have references that are verifiable, Jenny Midol does not. he/she is waging an edit war. All I am trying to do is keep the article you helped us mediate a few weeks ago.

Hairdye100 04:15, 12 November 2007 (UTC) What recourse is available to me if Jenny continues to randomly delete? also, Jenny is calling people liars and such without any verifiable references. When or how does the Odeo page get shut down for vandalism? The only way to solve this is to lock the page or remove it.Hairdye100 04:54, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Fatmyronuk deleted my article without cause. Please mediate. I do not want to get into an edit war. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Eric Russo (talkcontribs) 03:32, 12 December 2007 (UTC)


yes, read the talk header on the talk--F3rn4nd0 (Roger - Out) 22:17, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Replied here: [8] --NeilN talkcontribs 22:27, 16 November 2007 (UTC)

Your message

Hi, I am a little confused by your message. Would you minds clarifying. Thanks!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 17:27, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

Replied here [9] --NeilN talkcontribs 20:35, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


Hi, thanks for correcting the new opening I made in the cybernetics article. You however referted my second sentence here with the argument:

  • Reverted 1 edit by Mdd; Reverting back -> poor grammar, no refs.

Now you are right that my grammer is poor (and even more poor if I work in the Dutch and English wikipedia at the samen tim). But this is, as far as I know, no reason to refert an edit. In the past half a year (and the more then 5000 edits I made in this field) I always relied on other editors to pick up my intention and to improve it. I hope that this kind of tolerance will stay this way. - Mdd (talk) 16:34, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Replied here. [10] --NeilN talkcontribs 18:18, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
Thank you. - Mdd (talk) 19:28, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


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Thanks for reverting the vandalism to my userpage!! Malinaccier (talk contribs) 00:18, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


editing mt schools page, I am a student of that school so PLEASE stop getting rid of the things I add to it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 04:17, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Replied here: [11] --NeilN talkcontribs 04:37, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


Thank you for reverting the edit to my userpage! Cheers and have a great wiki-day, Master of Puppets Care to share? 05:13, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

And thanks again! :) Master of Puppets Care to share? 04:59, 8 December 2007 (UTC)
I've had all kinds; one who even kept accusing me of being a puppetmaster because of my name (I have to admit, choosing this particular name as my Wikipedia account was a bit of a mistake, to put it lightly :P). Anyway, see you around! Cheers, Master of Puppets Care to share? 05:42, 8 December 2007 (UTC)



I'm sorry I do not know how to use Wikipedia's messaging system, but my information was in fact correct. The United Center opened in 1994. It's well known.

Replied here: [12] --NeilN talkcontribs 06:40, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


Cheers for the talkpage revert and for updating the vandalism count. It was very much appreciated :D AngelOfSadness talk 15:49, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


depends on the tag - in some cases, whether or not an article does or doesn't have any references should not necessarily be an issue, per se. There are cases where the tags only take up space and create an ugly appearance - there are articles of substantial content and great length without reference. In cases of trivia, it isn't necessary to tag - again, all it is doing is merely stating that wiki doesn't support such (it is still allowed) - and the tag is nothing more than nonsensical graffiti. IMHO. Rarelibra (talk) 19:15, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I disagree. Rarelibra (talk) 19:23, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
It took me two minutes to find the ref required to remove that tag. Instead of expending such energy on "going back to replace tags" - one could see a much more positive and productive approach to, instead, go back and actually place something there. The same goes for those who have nothing better than to slap a tag and move on - take two min to, instead, slap the requirement (i.e., a ref) instead of the ugly tag. Rarelibra (talk) 19:30, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
My point is why did someone not take the two minutes to find it BEFORE adding the tag. That is the more important question. Rarelibra (talk) 20:06, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

User IP and vandalism

I noticed you left a message for user at r.e. ginger vandalism. That was their second act vandalism, and they just left a third at garlic. I'm assuming it's the same person given the type of vandalism, and the user probably a child or pre-teen. Not sure what the precise protocol is for this, but perhaps a temporary block (e.g. 2 weeks?) of the IP may be in order to let them someone is watching. Thanks. Halogenated (talk) 03:41, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Replied here: [13] --NeilN talkcontribs 04:17, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the info. Halogenated (talk) 04:19, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanx for adding the reference for the cheetah

I just haven't had much time lately to really do much. It finals week for me so I've only able to do minor stuff for the moment.Mcelite (talk) 23:48, 10 December 2007 (UTC)mcelite

Yeah it's one of those myths that just won't die for some reason. lol I wish people wouldn't have made that up about them.Mcelite (talk) 23:53, 10 December 2007 (UTC)mcelite


My mistake. I thought it was a level one, whoops! I re-wrote it. I didn't realize I was biting! BlackPearl14Pirate Lord-ess 04:40, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your advice

The Helpful One (Talk) (Contributions) 23:19, 11 December 2007 (UTC)


Please review discussion page for Odeo. Fatmyronuk is posting erroneus information and is deleting verified referenceable posts. I would appreciate any guidance or assistance. Eric Russo (talk) 22:18, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Also, please advise as to how we can either lock the Odeo page or remove from Wikipedia. I can provide significant documentation as to the rationale for this request.Eric Russo (talk) 22:23, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

Replied here [14] --NeilN talkcontribs 22:36, 14 December 2007 (UTC)


Thanks for reverting the vandalism on my user page. Looks like the sockpuppets/meatpuppets are out and about. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 18:24, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

More on tags

Here is something interesting to consider before you throw tags around again. I have been finding a lot of occurrences where someone throws the no references tag on an article when, in fact, there are references there.

For some reason, the (reflist) was changed to (Reflist) (with a capital 'R'). This, in turn, caused a lot of reference lists to become non-functional. Simply changing the "r" to capital makes it fully functional again - instead of slapping on a tag and moving on to another article. Rarelibra (talk) 18:59, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Replied here [15] (I do not "throw tags around"). --NeilN talkcontribs 19:31, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
Dude - it's called revelation. Next time see if the ref tag needs updating. :) Rarelibra (talk) 20:39, 19 December 2007 (UTC)

Susan Sarandon

Hi. As I was reviewing an issue on this page, I noted that you had weighed in about it not long ago. Would you please take a look at the Leviev entry on her talk page regarding this and weigh in on the issue if you wish? Thanks!! Wildhartlivie (talk) 07:36, 30 December 2007 (UTC)


Respectfully I disagree. That article has been vandalised more than once today. I feel the "only warning" I issued was appropriate, especially considering the generally higher levels of vandalism occurring over the last couple of days. Best regards, Xdenizen (talk) 02:33, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Rough Riders

What are you doing??? The facts are true and stop changing these. The information is on Google if you want to see it. Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 05:18, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Replied here: [16] --NeilN talkcontribs 05:27, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

AfD nomination of Franz Harary

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Unified Comms

Apologies, I was not aware a link such as was added was not allowed! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Unifiedcommer (talkcontribs) 19:32, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

User Marysasha

Hello NeilN! I see that you welcomed User:Marysasha and have already issued him 2 warnings. I issued 6 level 2 warnings. His edits seem to be vandalism, though I could be wrong and they're just apprentice errors and bad information. We should look out for what he is doing. Thank you. The Ogre (talk) 06:06, 21 January 2008 (UTC)


What I said was directed at Can't Sleep, Clown eats me not you, so why are you placing your nose and two cents where it is not needed, wanted, or asked for. Signshare (January 21, 2008) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Signshare (talkcontribs) 13:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Replied here: [17] --NeilN talkcontribs 19:27, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


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Thank you for erasing and beating me to the vandalism on Tomken Road Middle School. Appreciate your cooperation, thank you! Warrior4321 22:58, 22 January 2008 (UTC)


You sent me this message:

Welcome to Wikipedia. Although everyone is welcome to contribute constructively to the encyclopedia, adding content without citing a reliable source, as you did to Popular music, is not consistent with our policy of verifiability. This is especially important when dealing with biographies of living people, but applies to all Wikipedia articles. Take a look at the welcome page to learn more about contributing to this encyclopedia. If you are already familiar with Wikipedia:Citing sources, please take this opportunity to add your reference to the article. Thank you. Please see WP:NOR NeilN talk ♦ contribs 18:04, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

If this is a shared IP address, and you didn't make the edit, consider creating an account for yourself so you can avoid further irrelevant notices.

...which would be fine if there was one thing on this article that WAS cited.

Replied here [18] --NeilN talkcontribs 19:25, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

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Arthur (TV series)

That edit was marked bad by mistake; considering the previous two edits by the same user had been to add and tweak the nonexistent "Hefty Zoo Pals" (which has now been removed at least 4 or 5 times) I jumped the gun and just reverted the whole batch. My mistake--I've been reverting this same behavior for so long that I got a little careless. Gladys J Cortez 01:27, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Which Warnings?

Hi there,

Please specify which warnings, are they the ones when I reverted myself?

-- The Helpful One (Talk) (Contribs) (Review) 20:56, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done -- The Helpful One (Talk) (Contribs) (Review) 21:00, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


Having this one line is not hurting anybody and having it there means something to the people it affects... please leave it up —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:36, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you

- for the reverting and the count update :-D Cheers! ScarianCall me Pat 22:39, 29 January 2008 (UTC)