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VisualEditor newsletter—March 2014[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on changes to the template and image dialogs.

The biggest change in the last few weeks was the redesign of the template dialog. The template dialog now opens in a simplified mode that lists parameters and their descriptions. (The complex multi-item transclusion mode can be reached by clicking on "Show options" from inside the simplified template dialog.) Template parameters now have a bigger, auto-sizing input box for easier editing.  With today's update, searching for template parameters will become case-insensitive, and required template parameters will display an asterisk (*) next to their edit boxes. In addition to making it quicker and easier to see everything when you edit typical templates, this work was necessary to prepare for the forthcoming simplified citation dialog. The main priority in the coming weeks is building this new citation dialog, with the ultimate goal of providing autofill features for ISBNs, URLs, DOIs and other quick-fills. This will add a new button on the toolbar, with the citation templates available picked by each wiki's community. Concept drawings can be seen at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog. Please share your ideas about making referencing quick and easy with the designers.

  • The link tool now tells you when you're linking to a disambiguation or redirect page. Pages that exist, but are not indexed by the search engine, are treated like non-existent pages (bug 54361http://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=54361).
  • Wikitext warnings will now hide when you remove wikitext from the paragraph you are editing.
  • The character inserter tool in the "Insert" menu has been slightly redesigned, to introduce larger buttons. Your suggestions for more significant changes to the special character inserter are still wanted.
  • The page options menu (three bars, next to the Cancel button) has expanded. You can create and edit redirect pages, set page options like __STATICREDIRECT__, __[NO]INDEX__ and __[NO]NEWEDITSECTION__, and more.  New keyboard shortcuts are listed there, and include undoing the last action, clearing formatting, and showing the shortcut help window. If you switch from VisualEditor to wikitext editing, your edit will now be tagged.
  • It is easier to edit images. There are more options and they are explained better. If you add new images to pages, they will also be default size.  You can now set image sizes to the default, if another size was previously specified. Full support for upright sizing systems, which more readily adapt image sizes to the reader's screen size, is planned.
  • VisualEditor adds fake blank lines so you can put your cursor there. These "slugs" are now smaller than normal blank lines, and are animated to be different from actual blank lines.
  • You can use the Ctrl+Alt+S or  Command+ Option+S shortcuts to open the save window, and you can preview your edit summary when checking your changes in the save window.
  • After community requests, VisualEditor has been deployed to the Interlingual Occidental Wikipedia, the Portuguese Wikibooks, and the French Wikiversity.
  • Any community can ask for custom icons for their language in the character formatting menu (bold, italic, etc.) by making a request on Bugzilla or by contacting Product Manager James Forrester.

The developers apologize for a regression bug with the deployment on 6 March 2014, which caused the incorrect removal of |upright size definitions on a handful of pages on the English Wikipedia, among others. The root cause was fixed, and the broken pages were fixed soon after.

Looking ahead:  Several template dialogs will become more compact. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. You will be able to see the Table of Contents change live as you edit the page, rather than it being hidden. In-line language setting (dir="rtl") may be offered to a few Wikipedias soon.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on 19 April 2014 at 2000 UTC. Thank you! MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:44, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Gracie Barra (Montreal) deletion[edit]

Hi, Your deletion was a mistake because the article "Gracie Barra (Montreal)",which was created by me, is completely different from the one that was deleted before "Gracie Barra Montreal". These articles just have the same title, but their content was completely different. I just want to insist you on the fact that I am working on this page and need more time to improve it. Kindly restore the page, I'll provide more assertions and references because i am working on it. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Qasim900 (talkcontribs) 20:15, March 22, 2014‎ (UTC)

While your version was different, it didn't seem to have addressed the underlying reason for deletion from the earlier deletion discussion. I'll restore the page to your userspace, and you can work on it there. {{Nihiltres|talk|edits}} 22:20, 24 March 2014 (UTC)

Deletion of Property Solutions page[edit]

Should I change the subject of the page to Property Solutions International instead of Property Solutions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shaunak.s (talkcontribs) 17:50, March 29, 2014‎ (UTC)

The more pressing concern is sources. Your article lacked any reliable, independent secondary sources, which are required to justify the existence of an article according to Wikipedia's inclusion guidelines: that's why I ended up deleting it. In particular, you might want to read the specific guideline for organizations and companies. {{Nihiltres|talk|edits}} 17:56, 29 March 2014 (UTC)

ANI[edit]

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Of all the lowdown dirty scheming tricks - user Nihiltres. Thank you. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 15:14, 1 April 2014 (UTC)


UPDATE.... well, I tried to make you laugh and say thanks, but oh well. Keep trying to make folks happy! 'Lord knows we could use more of it around here. NewsAndEventsGuy (talk) 15:34, 1 April 2014 (UTC)
NewsAndEventsGuy, thanks for the fun, no matter if we have some spoilsports around here. :) {{Nihiltres|talk|edits}} 16:14, 1 April 2014 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: March 2014[edit]

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G4 Nevin Ashley[edit]

How does it not apply? The article was re-created despite the fact it was deleted by an AFD.--Yankees10 16:25, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

See the G4 criterion definition. The content (a redirect) is substantially different from what was deleted through AfD (an article). Substantial differences from the deleted version explicitly exempt articles from that speedy-deletion criterion. This is important because a deletion decision from an XfD might not be relevant to a new version of an article, as in this case. {{Nihiltres|talk|edits}} 17:09, 20 April 2014 (UTC)

Heat Genius deletion[edit]

Hi, I'm confused why you delete the "Heat Genius" page when other products e.g. Nest Thermostat have similar pages? I've read about the A7 tag but to be honest I still don't understand why the page was not 'significant'. Orangejon (talk) 14:25, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

There was no indication on the deleted page either a) that the subject was inherently important or b) that the subject could be referenced to multiple reliable sources independent of the subject, i.e. that the subject was notable. For example, the Nest article justifies its subject's notability by including around 30 references. {{Nihiltres|talk|edits}} 14:39, 21 April 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—April 2014[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on performance improvements, image settings, and preparation for a simplified citation template tool in its own menu.

  • In an oft-requested improvement, VisualEditor now displays red links (links to non-existent pages) in the proper color. Links to sister projects and external URLs are still the same blue as local links.
  • You can now open templates by double-clicking them or by selecting them and pressing  Return.  This also works for references, images, galleries, mathematical equations, and other "nodes".
  • VisualEditor has been disabled for pages that were created as translations of other pages using the Translate extension (common at Meta and MediaWiki.org). If a page has been marked for translation, you will see a warning if you try to edit it using VisualEditor.
  • When you try to edit protected pages with VisualEditor, the full protection notice and most recent log entry are displayed. Blocked users see the standard message for blocked users.
  • The developers fixed a bug that caused links on sub-pages to point to the wrong location.
  • The size-changing controls in the advanced settings section of the media or image dialog were simplified further. VisualEditor's media dialog supports more image display styles, like borderless images.
  • If there is not enough space on your screen to display all of the tabs (for instance, if your browser window is too narrow), the second edit tab will now fold into the drop-down menu (where the "Move" item is currently housed). On the English Wikipedia, this moves the "Edit beta" tab into the menu; on most projects, it moves the "Edit source" tab. This is only enabled in the default Vector skin, not for Monobook users. See this image for an example showing the "Edit source" and "View history" tabs after they moved into the drop-down menu.
  • After community requests, VisualEditor has been deployed as an opt-in feature at Meta and on the French Wikinews.
The drop-down menu is on the right, next to the search box.

Looking ahead:  A new, locally controlled menu of citation templates will put citations immediately in front of users. You will soon be able to see the Table of Contents while editing. Support for upright image sizes (preferred for accessibility) is being developed. In-line language setting (dir="rtl") will be offered as a Beta Feature soon. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. It will be possible to upload images to Commons from inside VisualEditor.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on Monday, 19 May 2014 at 18:00 UTC. If you'd like to get this on your own page, subscribe at Wikipedia:VisualEditor#Newsletter for English Wikipedia only or at meta:VisualEditor/Newsletter for any project. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 20:23, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Greogorio Y. Zara.jpg[edit]

Hello. I am A.Minkowiski. I am just letting you know that the user User talk:Diesscamomot created the some pages like File:Most Rev. Teofilo Camomot D. D. .jpg and Greogorio Y. Zara.jpg that I tagged under CSD#F1 and you deleted it successfully. But I am confused why this user is trying to insert only images in the article ? and from his contribution and history, user tried many times in the past to uploade copyrighted images in Wikipedia, that were declined many times. A.Minkowiski _Lets t@lk 15:25, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

I'm not a good person to ask about this issue; while I'm happy to help with test page cleanup, I tend not to involve myself with copyvio cleanup. Perhaps try the administrator's noticeboard? {{Nihiltres|talk|edits}} 15:46, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

Thank you for going thru the bother of redoing your work. There was a bad image file which I couldn't debug, so I went for the version without the bad image file.

By the way, I saw the jar, and also the Agusan image (the gold statue currently at the Field Museum), at UCLA years ago. Do you think the image of the people on the jar lid could be included in the article? Is it allowed to use the image from Phillippine currency note? --Ancheta Wis   (talk | contribs) 19:34, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: April 2014[edit]

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Help Needed[edit]

Hi

I need some help editing an info box, if there is any information you can give me that would help i would really really really appreciate it.

The info box i wish to edit is using "infobox television" template, and whenever i try to add the title project director it doesn't show in the preview, so is there something i can do to add it? or do i need to create a new script template from scratch and if so how exactly can i do that?

Thank you :)

Al-Bernameg (talk) 10:02, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
Check out the template documentation at Template:Infobox television. I don't see a "project director" field from a quick skim, but it's probably practical to just put multiple people in the "director" field, perhaps with parenthetical explanations of their specific directorial roles. That would be preferable to creating a custom infobox.
As a side note, when I looked at your contributions to get a little context, I noticed that your username is essentially the same as the title of the article you're creating. You should probably read about Wikipedia's conflict of interest guidelines and possibly change your username so that it doesn't appear that your account is promotional or shared. {{Nihiltres|talk|edits}} 15:18, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Joan Miró Global Challenge — thank you![edit]

Dear Nihiltres,
Thank you very much for your participation at Joan Miró Global Challenge last 10th May (and sorry for the delay in getting back in touch). With your help we achieved the goal to get the 10 key articles translated into at least 10 different languages and, as promised, we will send you a plush keyring as a reward. Please send me an email with the pysical address where you want the reward to be sent. Best regards! --ESM (talk) 21:05, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

ESM: While I appreciate the offer of the keyring, I have no need for it. Seeing Wikipedia articles improved was my goal in participating. :) {{Nihiltres|talk|edits}} 21:25, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—May 2014[edit]

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Did you know?

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The cite menu offers quick access to up to five citation templates.  If your wiki has enabled the "Cite" menu, press "Cite" and select the appropriate template from the menu.

Existing citations that use these templates can be edited either using the "Cite" tool or by selecting the reference and choosing the "Basic" item in the "Insert" menu.

Read the user guide for more information.

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on the new citation tool, improving performance, reducing technical debt, and other infrastructure needs.

The biggest change in the last few weeks is the new citation template menu, labeled "Cite". The new citation menu offers a locally configurable list of citation templates on the main toolbar. It adds or opens references using the simplified template dialog that was deployed last month. This tool is in addition to the "Basic" item in the "Insert" menu, and it is not displayed unless it has been configured for that wiki. To enable this tool on your wiki, see the instructions at VisualEditor/Citation tool.

Eventually, the VisualEditor team plans to add autofill features for these citations. When this long-awaited feature is created, you could add an ISBN, URL, DOI or other identifier to the citation tool, and VisualEditor would automatically fill in as much information for that source as possible. The concept drawings can be seen at mw:VisualEditor/Design/Reference Dialog, and your ideas about making referencing quick and easy are still wanted.

  • There is a new Beta Feature for setting content language and direction.  This allows editors who have opted in to use the "Language" tool in the "Insert" menu to add HTML span tags that label text with the language and as being left-to-right (LTR) or right-to-left (RTL), like this:  <span lang="en" dir="ltr">English</span>. This tool is most useful for pages whose text combines multiple languages with different directions, common on Right-to-Left wikis.
  • The tool for editing mathematics formulae in VisualEditor has been slightly updated and is now available to all users, as the "Formula" item in the "Insert" menu. It uses LaTeX like in the wikitext editor.
  • The layout of template dialogs has been changed, putting the label above the field.  Parameters are now called "fields", to avoid a technical term that many editors are unfamiliar with.
  • TemplateData has been expanded:  You can now add "suggested" parameters in TemplateData, and VisualEditor will display them in the template dialogs like required ones.  "Suggested" is recommended for parameters that are commonly used, but not actually required to make the template work.  There is also a new type for TemplateData parameters: wiki-file-name, for file names.  The template tool can now tell you if a parameter is marked as being obsolete.
  • Some templates that previously displayed strangely due to absolute CSS positioning hacks should now display correctly.
  • Several messages have changed: The notices shown when you save a page have been merged into those used in the wikitext editor, for consistency.  The message shown when you "Cancel" out of an edit is clearer. The beta dialog notice, which is shown the first time you open VisualEditor, will be hidden for logged-in users via a user preference rather than a cookie.  As a result of this change, the beta notice will show up one last time for all logged-in users on their next VisualEditor use after Thursday's upgrade.
  • Adding a category that is a redirect to another category prompts you to add the target category instead of the redirect.
  • In the "Media" dialog, it is no longer possible to set a redundant border for thumbnail and framed images.
  • There is a new Template Documentation Editor for TemplateData.  You can test it by editing a documentation subpage (not a template page) at Mediawiki.org: edit mw:Template:Sandbox/doc, and then click "Manage template documentation" above the wikitext edit box.  If your community would like to use this TemplateData editor at your project, please contact product manager James Forrester or file an enhancement request in Bugzilla.
  • There have been multiple small changes to the appearance:  External links are shown in the same light blue color as in MediaWiki.  This is a lighter shade of blue than the internal links.  The styling of the "Style text" (character formatting) drop-down menu has been synchronized with the recent font changes to the Vector skin.  VisualEditor dialogs, such as the "Save page" dialog, now use a "loading" animation of moving lines, rather than animated GIF images.  Other changes were made to the appearance upon opening a page in VisualEditor which should make the transition between reading and editing be smoother.
  • The developers merged in many minor fixes and improvements to MediaWiki interface integration (e.g., edit notices), and made VisualEditor handle Education Program pages better.
  • At the request of the community, VisualEditor has been deployed to Commons as an opt-in. It is currently available by default for 161 Wikipedia language editions and by opt-in through Beta Features at all others, as well as on several non-Wikipedia sites.

Looking ahead:  The toolbar from the PageTriage extension will no longer be visible inside VisualEditor. More buttons and icons will be accessible from the keyboard.  The "Keyboard shortcuts" link will be moved out of the "Page options" menu, into the "Help" menu. Support for upright image sizes (preferred for accessibility) and inline images is being developed. You will be able to see the Table of Contents while editing. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. VisualEditor will be available to all users on mobile devices and tablet computers. It will be possible to upload images to Commons from inside VisualEditor.

If you have questions or suggestions for future improvements, or if you encounter problems, please let everyone know by posting a note at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on Thursday, 19 June 2014 at 10:00 UTC. If you'd like to get this newsletter on your own page (about once a month), please subscribe at w:en:Wikipedia:VisualEditor/Newsletter for English Wikipedia only or at meta:VisualEditor/Newsletter for any project. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) 22:16, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

Courtesy ping: List of Australia women ODI cricketers[edit]

Hello Nihiltres. I've re-started an article you deleted some years ago:

01:55, 17 August 2007 Nihiltres (talk | contribs | block) deleted page List of Australia women ODI cricketers (CSD R1: Redirect to non-existent page) (view/restore)

Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 13:56, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Request for comment[edit]

Hello there, a proposal regarding pre-adminship review has been raised at Village pump by Anna Frodesiak. Your comments here is very much appreciated. Many thanks. Jim Carter through MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 06:46, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: May 2014[edit]

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  • Netherlands report: Libraries; Wikidata & DBpedia; Wikipedians in Residence; Open Culture Data
  • Norway report: 2 x GLAM edit-a-thons
  • Sweden report: Award, competitions and Coat of Arms
  • UK report: No trouble at t'mill; Assisting Metropolitan Police with image licensing enquiries; Wikimania is coming
  • USA report: New Edit-a-thons; GLAM at Wikiconference USA; Activities in New York City
  • Open Access report: WikiProject Open Access launched on the English Wikisource
  • Calendar: June's GLAM events
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WP:Articles for deletion/Yank Barry[edit]

Would you be willing to change your closure of WP:Articles for deletion/Yank Barry to Snow keep per WP:SK#NOT? Thanks! VQuakr (talk) 06:43, 20 June 2014 (UTC)

No, I'm not willing to do that. I object to doing that for two reasons: first, because I think the distinction is unnecessary, bureaucratic, and stiff, and second because the nominator informally withdrew their nomination—one of the justifications for a speedy keep. {{Nihiltres|talk|edits}} 15:00, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Hi. I see that you have already declined to amend your closing statement. I agree that your close is a proper SK1. If you do not care for distinguishing between WP:Speedy keep and WP:SNOW, would you like to participate in the discussion at WT:Speedy keep#Explicitly exclude SNOW? Flatscan (talk) 04:27, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
I added a comment there. {{Nihiltres|talk|edits}} 18:12, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor global newsletter—June 2014[edit]

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The character formatting menu

Did you know?

The character formatting menu, or "Style text" menu lets you set bold, italic, and other text styles. "Clear formatting" removes all text styles and removes links to other pages.

Do you think that clear formatting should remove links? Are there changes you would like to see for this menu? Share your opinion at MediaWiki.org.

The user guide has information about how to use VisualEditor.

The VisualEditor team is mostly working to fix bugs, improve performance, reduce technical debt, and other infrastructure needs. You can find on Mediawiki.org weekly updates detailing recent work.

  • They have moved the "Keyboard shortcuts" link out of the "Page options" menu, into the "Help" menu. Within dialog boxes, buttons are now more accessible (via the Tab key) from the keyboard.
  • You can now see the target of the link when you click on it, without having to open the inspector.
  • The team also expanded TemplateData: You can now add a parameter type  "date" for dates and times in the ISO 8601 format, and  "boolean" for values which are true or false. Also, templates that redirect to other templates (like {{citeweb}}{{cite web}}) now get the TemplateData of their target (bug 50964). You can test TemplateData by editing mw:Template:Sandbox/doc.
  • Category: and File: pages now display their contents correctly after saving an edit (bug 65349, bug 64239)
  • They have also improved reference editing: You should no longer be able to add empty citations with VisualEditor (bug 64715), as with references. When you edit a reference, you can now empty it and click the "use an existing reference" button to replace it with another reference instead. 
  • It is now possible to edit inline images with VisualEditor. Remember that inline images cannot display captions, so existing captions get removed. Many other bugs related to images were also fixed.
  • You can now add and edit {{DISPLAYTITLE}} and __DISAMBIG__ in the "Page options" menu, rounding out the full set of page options currently planned.
  • The tool to insert special characters is now wider and simpler.

Looking ahead[edit]

The VisualEditor team has posted a draft of their goals for the next fiscal year. You can read them and suggest changes on MediaWiki.org.

The team posts details about planned work on VisualEditor's roadmap. You will soon be able to drag-and-drop text as well as images. If you drag an image to a new place, it won't let you place it in the middle of a paragraph. All dialog boxes and windows will be simplified based on user testing and feedback. The VisualEditor team plans to add autofill features for citations. Your ideas about making referencing quick and easy are still wanted. Support for upright image sizes is being developed. The designers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments and adding rows and columns to tables.

Supporting your wiki[edit]

Please read VisualEditor/Citation tool for information on configuring the new citation template menu, labeled "Cite". This menu will not appear unless it has been configured on your wiki.

If you speak a language other than English, we need your help with translating the user guide. The guide is out of date or incomplete for many languages, and what's on your wiki may not be the most recent translation. Please contact me if you need help getting started with translation work on MediaWiki.org.

VisualEditor can be made available to most non-Wikipedia projects. If your community would like to test VisualEditor, please contact product manager James Forrester or file an enhancement request in Bugzilla.

Please share your questions, suggestions, or problems by posting a note at mw:VisualEditor/Feedback or by joining the office hours on Saturday, 19 July 2014 at 21:00 UTC (daytime for the Americas and Pacific Islands) or on Thursday, 14 August 2014 at 9:00 UTC (daytime for Europe, Middle East, Asia).

To change your subscription to this newsletter, please see the subscription pages on Meta or the English Wikipedia. Thank you! Whatamidoing (WMF) (talk) 04:59, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

This Month in GLAM: June 2014[edit]

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  • Belgium report: Bouchout Declaration on Open Access to Biodiversity data; Virtual collaboration in the government
  • France report: Round table in Brussels; Video at Sèvres; 70th anniversary of the D-Day
  • Germany report: Exhibition photography
  • Mexico report: Edit-a-thon of Museo Soumaya; simulthaneous edit-a-thon in Argentina, Mexico and Spain about Spanish Exile; new cultural partner of Wikimedia México
  • Netherlands report: Music edit-a-thon; Library workshops; Videos, maps and Japanese art donations; Wiki Loves Earth
  • Sweden report: Wiki Loves Monuments is being prepared for Sweden
  • UK report: Free Culture; Image releases
  • USA report: A GLAM Day Out! in Philadelphia; Local History at the Local Library
  • Wikimania report: GLAM presentations at Wikimania
  • Open Access report: Open biodiversity data; Automated import of scholarly journal articles into Wikisource
  • Calendar: July's GLAM events
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Recovering original submission[edit]

How do I go about recovering the article you recently deleted? I'd like to edit it and clarify why it was rejected in the first place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Shoptech&action=edit&redlink=1

--Jayccooper (talk) 21:20, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

Well, in theory you follow the instructions at WP:REFUND/G13 as noted in the deletion log, but asking me here works as well. I've restored the page for you. I'd have to look closer to see the reasons that it was rejected—it has some citations, so it's not prima facie obvious—so I'd recommend asking the reviewer, APerson, directly. {{Nihiltres|talk|edits}} 21:33, 23 July 2014 (UTC)
I see you restored Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Shoptech per request. I note it was at Wikipedia:Requests_for_undeletion#Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation.2FShoptech. I'm going to add the "action" template there, for completeness.--S Philbrick(Talk) 16:58, 24 July 2014 (UTC)