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? map of Somerset Levels[edit]

Hi, With your mapping expertise I'd like to ask if an area map is possible. I've been doing some work on Somerset Levels and would like to put it up for FAC soon. At the peer review a map was requested. As it's not a county/administrative district I didn't know whether it would be possible to do a shaded map or something showing the area covered, perhaps on a Somerset or SW England map?— Rod talk 20:52, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. Your quick hack is brilliant. I have no idea how you did it but think it really helps. Labels showing the major rivers (eg River Parrett, Axe & Brue), Bristol Channel, hills (Polden Hills, Mendip Hills & Quantock Hills) & major settlements (eg Bridgwater, Burnham-on-Sea, Cheddar, Glastonbury & Wells ) would be great but it might get a bit cluttered. Someone else did File:Mendip Hills Map.png for me when I put that one up for FA some time ago. I'm always really grateful when people are willing to contribute skills I don't have to make wp articles better.— Rod talk 09:26, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
It looks great. Are you happy for me to put it on the article where others will see it (& hopefully contribute to any discussion about development)? My only thought is about the brown lines - they look to me as if they are divisions between local authority districts? but this would not be clear to anyone who doesn't know the area & probably aren't that relevant for a geography article.— Rod talk 17:02, 16 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for your ongoing work on this - could we add markers for a few of the major settlements eg Glastonbury, Bridgwater, Cheddar, Burnham-on-Sea - there are others but any more would probably overload the map.— Rod talk 08:19, 21 January 2011 (UTC)
Looks great to me - I'm just waiting for some more page numbers (books coming from the library) & then plan to put Somerset Levels up at FAC.— Rod talk 11:26, 23 January 2011 (UTC)
Thanks for the insert I will comment on the FAC to see if that is what the reviewer wanted or whether it is a locator map. I can't find a suitable infobox as the Levels are not a protected area in the same way that Exmoor or the Mendip Hills are.— Rod talk 08:43, 19 February 2011 (UTC)
I don't know if you are watching the FAC but another reviwer, while describing the map as useful, has suggested: "but doesn't show many of the features and places mentioned in the article, nor does it show the area of the levels -one shade of green is clearly the lowest land but it is not stated what the maximum height is of this colour and therefore whether this coincides with the levels." Could you add a key of the heights represented by the colours & I will ask for clarification of what "other features" are needed without cluttering the map.— Rod talk 18:06, 21 February 2011 (UTC)
Thanks. The profile PDF is already in the article (used several times). On this map the built up areas are useful - what is the yellow are? Did you also spot the request on the FAC to include the M5 motorway?— Rod talk 12:20, 23 February 2011 (UTC)
Would you be willing to add your comment about the significance of the M5 on the FAC?— Rod talk 13:11, 23 February 2011 (UTC)

Another reviewer at the FAC has pointed out a typo on the map "Polern Hills" should be "Polden Hills" I should have spotted this earlier. Would it be possible to change that? The same reviewer is arguing for the inclusion of a lot more of the settlements - would you be able to add some or respond to the comments on the FAC?— Rod talk 09:13, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

Maps of French départements[edit]

Hi, I#'ve seen the good work that you did for GB counties - have you any knowledge of French départements which could be used to generate a location map? The specific requirement is for a SVG equivalent of File:Pas-de-Calais department location map.jpg in the same style as File:Cotes-dArmor department location map.svg. Please comment at User talk:Mjroots#Re:A request. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:50, 21 March 2011 (UTC)

York again[edit]

Hi, and thanks for the useful information. Sorry to bother you again. The previous map showing the York UA within England looked sort of OK because the red blob on the map was so small, but the current one gives the problem that I was complaining about, essentially because the UA looks so big and doesn't pinpoint York itself. I've tried experimenting by inserting (as you suggested) Template:Location map United Kingdom North Yorkshire with and without the brackets into the York infobox - no luck. Then I had a look at Harrogate, and the map looks just what York needs, but I couldn't find the UK N Yorks map file in the HG infobox - have I missed something? Then I noticed that the Harrogate infobox is Infobox UK place whereas the York one is Infobox settlement - what is going on here? Aargh! I've actually had a tiny bit of experience with these maps, having used Infobox church a few times and succeeded in getting the right map and using the coordinates to get the location blob in the right place (e.g. St Luke's Church, Oseney Crescent), but now I'm baffled. BTW, I had a look at a few other articles using Infobox settlements, e.g. Leicester, and the "location within England" map is a .svg and (to my eyes) looks horrific (apologies if you created it!). I'd be very grateful if you could give me an idiot's guide to putting a Harrogate-style map in the York infobox. TIA. --GuillaumeTell 21:46, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Great! Thanks! And I noticed that the magic word "pushpin" (as used in my St Luke's map) has made an appearance, which made my day (er, night). As for Template documentation, there's an awful lot of Wikipedia back-office stuff that seems to have been written by computer people for computer people, which makes my eyes glaze over, so even apparently simple things like WP:DYK are swathed in mystery and easy to get wrong. As a sort of old-fashioned computer person, I'm not afraid of experimenting (and am probably the #1 user of the "Show preview" button), but sometimes I just give up. Feel free to cite me as a witness if you're going to try to tidy up all these subtly different infoboxes and templates and maps (aka lions and tigers and bears). Whew! Best. --GuillaumeTell 23:39, 19 April 2011 (UTC)
PS: I forgot to say that I agree that your idea of a map showing the urban area of York within the UA would indeed be useful as a supplementary image in the article, but it's not a matter of any urgency. It'll look somewhat different from the Manchester one, of course (no bad thing). --GuillaumeTell 23:50, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Fylde map[edit]

Hi, Thanks for the great maps and instructions you have provided at User:Nilfanion/Elections. I have created a couple for Blackpool elections (for 2003 and 2007, as you did the 2011 one) which went ok, however when I created this map - File:Fylde UK local election 2003 map.svg - for the Fylde 2003 election it shows the wards won by independents as black, rather than the grey shown on the thumbnail image, as seen at Fylde Council election, 2003. I wondered if you knew why it showed as black rather than grey and what I had done wrong? I set the colour as #dddddd as you did on the Bournemouth map for the independent. Davewild (talk) 20:04, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

Looks like the map File:Fylde UK local election 2003 map.svg has fixed itself as you said it might. Thanks for checking it a couple of days ago. Davewild (talk) 17:18, 13 May 2011 (UTC)
I've created many of these articles on local elections over the last few years and always wanted to create maps for them, but only with your instructions, which made the process easy have I been able to. Reference your points, I will start using the LibDem colour as updated and have added the Election Maps of the United Kingdom category to the maps I have created so far (and will use it on new ones I add).
Reference the boundary changes I am aware about the boundary changes and am keeping strictly to elections which still use the same boundaries as 2010. Luckily the BBC always states in it's report of the election results for each council, whether boundary changes have taken place or not (e.g. here from the BBC for my latest map on Amber Valley in 2000). So for instance Amber Valley is still on the same boundaries for the local council as in 2000, while in Adur the current boundaries only go back as far as 2004 - as per BBC here - so my earliest map I have done for Adur is 2004. Davewild (talk) 17:24, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

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London maps[edit]

That's awesome, thanks for uploading them. Have already started creating maps from them! Davewild (talk) 17:36, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

Hi, this is miles better than that. Well done! Are all district council maps gettinga similar update? --Redrose64 (talk) 17:35, 2 August 2011

Short version is yes all the districts will get similar updates. SW England and SE England have the full set of maps now, the rest should be done over this month. The slight complication is I'm doing like-for-like swaps, and some articles use maps that don't quite match up with that.--Nilfanion (talk) 21:40, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Bespoke SVG maps[edit]

An editor has suggested that the SVG locator maps should have the marker preserved on enlargement of the map. Please see Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#SVG Maps and comment there. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:34, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Re: Maps[edit]

Hey, thanks for the reply. If you search for the Preston council election article for 2011, you'll see my handywork. The manual upload worked for me, so hopefully all the citations and copyright is how it should be.

They are very good maps and really useful. I'll just stick to using them for Preston - not too many parties, easier to fill in :)

Speak soon doktorb wordsdeeds 11:11, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Additional maps[edit]

Thanks for pointing out the county council maps, I hadn't realised you had made those available and hopefully will get round to using those on particular elections soon.

As to larger area maps I would certainly enjoy looking at them personally and maps based on the counties and metropolitan counties would be good if you understand what I mean - e.g. if you scroll down on this link here you will see a series of maps showing the ward results for all seats in West Yorkshire (including Leeds, Bradford, Kirklees etc. in one map for elections between 1986 and 2008. You could do the same thing for all of the districts making up Lancashire, Norfolk etc. That sort of map would be fun, but the problem is at the moment I can't think how to fit them in on any particular articles on wikipedia!

Doing one for the whole of England would be awesome and would fit on the particular years local elections article - e.g United Kingdom local elections, 2011, but I would think it would be a very big task to create (a lot of wards!) and not sure how much detail you would be able to see at that level? Davewild (talk) 19:13, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

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Infobox map of Inverness[edit]

Hi Nilfanion. A problem is arising with the default map selection on Template:Infobox UK place for locations in the Inverness lieutenancy. The map defaults to File:Inverness UK location map.svg, which shows the Inverness city management area. However, as shown at Alvie, some places are not in that management area. Alvie, for example, is in the area covered by File:Badenoch and Strathspey UK location map.svg.

I understand the reason for going for area maps, rather than a map of the council area (Highland is very large). However, the default needs to link to maps of each lieutenancy, rather than to ward or city management area maps. Alternatively, the default could link to maps of the former districts, though I'm not sure how that could work as the default is now determined by the lieutenancy.

In the case of Highland, the breakdown is as follows:

Hope you can help in sorting out. Skinsmoke (talk) 15:57, 8 October 2011 (UTC)

The maps were uploaded to a request a while back (Highland is big and should be broken down etc). See this thread: Template talk:Infobox UK place/Archive 12#Caithness map. I did mention at the time it is not the Lieutenancy areas, but the ward management areas.
The biggest problem really is the data is for the current administrative divisions. There were several boundary changes for the wards in 2007. While the older wards did align with the lieutenancy areas, that's no longer the case, and I don't have data that would let me construct the lieutenancy borders. This lack of data makes it extremely difficult to create "correct" maps for the lieutenancies. For instance, Morven is definitely in Caithness, but is outside the current Caithness wards.
Probably the best thing to do would be to disable the auto-selection of the area maps, and default to the Highland map. If this was backed up by adding it to a category for manual addition of an area map, then this would avoid issues of bad map selection. This would avoid errors like the one you reported for Alvie.--Nilfanion (talk) 08:58, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Police areas map[edit]

I notice that an anonymous editor (87.114.242.250) has used {{Mapereq}} at Talk:Police area#Map to request a map of UK police areas. I thought I'd leave a message here in case you can assist, by combining your OS OpenData SVG maps of counties, unitary areas, Greater London and the City of London. — Richardguk (talk) 20:34, 9 October 2011 (UTC)

Many thanks for creating File:United_Kingdom_police_areas_map.svg. I've updated the article accordingly. — Richardguk (talk) 14:03, 13 October 2011 (UTC)

London maps[edit]

Will gradually introduce them to the articles, thanks!♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:10, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

MSU Interview[edit]

Dear Nilfanion,

My name is Jonathan Obar user:Jaobar, I'm a professor in the College of Communication Arts and Sciences at Michigan State University and a Teaching Fellow with the Wikimedia Foundation's Education Program. This semester I've been running a little experiment at MSU, a class where we teach students about becoming Wikipedia administrators. Not a lot is known about your community, and our students (who are fascinated by wiki-culture by the way!) want to learn how you do what you do, and why you do it. A while back I proposed this idea (the class) to the communityHERE, where it was met mainly with positive feedback. Anyhow, I'd like my students to speak with a few administrators to get a sense of admin experiences, training, motivations, likes, dislikes, etc. We were wondering if you'd be interested in speaking with one of our students.


So a few things about the interviews:

  • Interviews will last between 15 and 30 minutes.
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Bottom line is that we really need your help, and would really appreciate the opportunity to speak with you. If interested, please send me an email at obar@msu.edu (to maintain anonymity) and I will add your name to my offline contact list. If you feel comfortable doing so, you can post your nameHERE instead.

If you have questions or concerns at any time, feel free to email me at obar@msu.edu. I will be more than happy to speak with you.

Thanks in advance for your help. We have a lot to learn from you.

Sincerely,

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Use of maps in weather textbook[edit]

Good evening Nilfanion,

    My name is Lauren Miller and I am a photo researcher Jones & Bartlett Learning, a textbook publishing company. I am currently working on a title about Louisiana Weather and Climate and the author would like to use several maps of hurricane tracks that you have loaded to wikipedia. I wish to confirm that you have released these maps into the public domain. The maps I wish to use are as follows:
  1. 1893_Chenier_Caminanda_hurricane_track
  2. 1900_Galveston_hurricane_track
  3. 1947_Fort_Lauderdale_hurricane_track
  4. 1947_Fort_Lauderdale_hurricane_track
  5. Audrey_1957_track
  6. Camille_1969_track
  7. Betsy_1965_track
  8. Juan_1985_track

Thank you for your time and I'll look forward to hearing from you soon.

Kind regards, Lauren Miller Permissions and Photo Research Associate Jones & Bartlett lEARNING — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.13.67.189 (talk) 22:49, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I have placed all of the files that you have listed above in the public domain. The same is true for all similar files I have created and uploaded here. One request is that I would appreciate it if you can advise me of the book's title when it is published. If there's anything, further I'll do my best to help.--Nilfanion (talk) 00:52, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for responding to my inquiry. The book is titled Louisiana Weather and Climate by Robert Rohli and Anthony Vega. Is there any particular way you would like to be credited for your images? Thank you for your time. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.13.67.189 (talk) 15:54, 5 March 2012 (UTC)

I have no particular preference as to how you credit me - either to my username or just Wikipedia / Wikimedia is fine. If you'd prefer to credit in a different way I suggest you contact me by email (my username at gmail.com) to discuss further.--Nilfanion (talk) 21:43, 10 March 2012 (UTC)

Sheffield historical wards map[edit]

Moved to the correct place. HeadlightMorning (talk) 03:41, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

I see you've created some excellent maps of each of the Counties. However, I can't see where these have come from in the OS Boundaryline dataset. For instance, for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Somerset_UK_locator_map_2010.svg there are 5 districts and 2 unitaries matching 'somerset' but not a single county as you have shown. Would you be able to clarify how that county-wide boundary was made? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mvl22 (talkcontribs) 10:54, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Its a straightforward exercise to extract the ceremonial counties from the Boundary-Line data.
  1. Select the desired elements in GIS, and export those polygons to SVG paths.
  2. Using an SVG program such as Inkscape, combine the SVG paths into a single path (using the "union" feature).
It would also possible to merge the polygons in the GIS package, before exporting; I prefer to do it after export to ensure I retain the original GIS data.
The only complication is splitting Stockton-on-Tees, but that can be done by splitting along the River Tees. As a final (lossy) step I generally simplify the paths in Inkscape to reduce filesize - but this means further combinations will not work as simply.--Nilfanion (talk) 11:59, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Thoughts on maps[edit]

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Parks[edit]

Answered there. Please notice me when you upload your maps, I need more working examples for the convention page (more strictly based on location maps + B00000 color). Cheer ! Yug (talk) 16:05, 19 April 2012 (UTC)

Strip pattern on maps[edit]

Hi Nilfanion, could you advise how you get the pattern for stripes for example in File:Brighton_and_Hove_City_Council_election_2011_map.svg, I tried using the object to pattern in inks-cape but this results in large gaps between the patterns. Kind regards 81.106.240.67 (talk) 23:29, 9 May 2012 (UTC)

There's a full description of my approach User:Nilfanion/Elections, which should work with your case. If you still have difficulties, it might be easier to upload it anyway - as I'll be able to help correct it then.--Nilfanion (talk) 21:23, 10 May 2012 (UTC)

Maps of SSSIs in Wales[edit]

SSSIs in Anglesey looks good. (Slowly and distracted is the only way I can work). Having tracked down both the CCW search section, and the dbf file, I see what you mean. From the GIS downloads, I couldn't even see Unitary Authorities. Were they in the map data or do you use the position data to select it? Either way, CCW clearly uses unitary Authorities as their only breakdown, and I would guess Wikipedia needs to follow that. There has been a rather rambly discussion at WikiProject_Wales about how to subdivide Welsh lists, but it looks like UAs as the basic division is the thing people can agree on. (Powys UA does also subdivide some of its functions to Shire Committees for its three historic counties - ie they are present day Shires, but not counties.)

In terms of the maps, my own instinct is that a single county/UA map with all the SSSIs (like the Anglesey one), onto which any individual article can put a red dot and label for the one being described, feels like the useful thing. It gives a helpful SSSI context to that site. As we have mentioned before, a second, detailed map, covering the area of the SSSI (and perhaps a buffer area around it), would be great. But I am aware just how many sites there are. Could they be Location_map templates or would that be too time consuming? Thanks. RobinLeicester (talk) 16:08, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

{{superimpose}} - Brilliant. I am endlessly amazed by how much I know nothing about. And {{superimpose2}} can add labels, car park symbols, whatever, in an editable wiki fashion. I agree that OSGB would be good for these, (and would simplify converting map refs into x and y values). I wonder if the SSSI should be tinted yellow (for example), rather than green, to distinguish it from woodland - ideally in a tone that still lets woodland show through as green!.
Re pushpins etc, I know there has been a lot of discussion and effort with roads etc, but I am unsure how easily linear feature would integrate with a general infobox. There are a lot of coastline SSSIs that have the same issue. RobinLeicester (talk) 23:20, 29 June 2012 (UTC)

Creating a new detailed map[edit]

Hi Thanks for your reply and pointing me in the right direction in creating the maps. The problem I have is try to add in the colour, I have looked at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nilfanion/Elections and have also uploaded a blank map to derivativeFX link which is suggested.

I have no idea where to add in the following E.G: Of course I need to change to a Scottish council name and Labour.

For example, after the Bristol 2010 election Clifton was solely represented by the Conservatives. The path for this includes: id="Clifton" style="fill:#ffd700;fill-rule:evenodd....

But where does that get added in?

--Crazyseiko (talk) 16:06, 30 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for your help! I have been able to create the maps, it easy when you know how, cheers! --Crazyseiko (talk) 12:28, 1 July 2012 (UTC)

Woolsthorpe-by-Belvoir[edit]

Hi. KeithD said you might be able help here. This article has its little internal map very close to the place red dot. I've seen the small insert map moved about to avoid this, but don't know how it's done. Can you add the relevant stuff in the infobox ? I'll learn from how you did it. Many thanks. Acabashi (talk) 22:00, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) The main map and the inset are in the same image, so their relative positions are fixed. Where have you seen a movable inset? --Redrose64 (talk) 22:35, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
I can't remember now, it was so many edits ago - but I have seen it I think - if I remember rightly it looked like a piece of info added after a pipe which moved the inset to a different position - from your link it looks like it can't be so - maybe I'm going mad. Acabashi (talk) 10:06, 20 July 2012 (UTC)
I've seen some relevant discussion of this eg at Template talk:Location map/Archive 5#Using Template:Location map many for inset images, but I'm not sure of any mainspace usage. I'm sure that Template:Infobox UK place (used in Woolsthorpe-by-Belvoir) is unable to call the templates in such a way.
As Redrose64 says, the inset is hard-coded into the Lincolnshire map. Therefore the inset can't be moved dynamically. There are a few options here I can see:
  1. Shrink the inset. As Lincs is a large county, this might be best option - the red highlight will still be obvious, and a reduced inset will remove the clash. It may be detrimental to the other articles using that image.
  2. Move the inset to a different corner - specifically for Woolsthorpe and similar articles, or generally. IMO the bottom left location is the best for most Lincs locations, so a special map for the few odd cases in that area may be best. Not keen on this.
  3. Create an entirely new map, with the Western boundary adjusted to give more room. This is the hardest for me - but might produce the best end result (as no special case required, good inset size in all images, with the bonus that the map will take slightly less vertical space in articles).
I'll experiment with shrinking the inset slightly, and see if I can get a clear margin for Woolsthorpe without making it too small.--Nilfanion (talk) 21:34, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
Thinking about this - if you shift the viewport to the right by about 120 or 130px, thus hiding some of Notts/Yorks but revealing more of Norfolk, you might be able to obtain a suitably sized patch of open sea at upper right, just off Spurn Head, into which the inset could be moved. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:08, 21 July 2012 (UTC)
I'll have a play with this in a couple weeks (wikibreak now). Sorry for delay in getting to this...--Nilfanion (talk) 12:00, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

split proposal for Aqueduct[edit]

I note your contribution to Talk:Aqueduct and I would like to bring to your attention a proposal that the article Aqueduct be split to Aqueduct (watercourse) and Aqueduct (bridge), with the original article directed to the existing page Aqueduct (disambiguation). Please feel welcome to comment on the proposal at Talk:Aqueduct#Split proposal (2) Please note a similar proposal was made a couple of years ago (see about halfway up the talk page).Nankai (talk) 21:03, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

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M4 motorway map[edit]

Thanks for doing the map, which I think is excellent. Hopefully other editors will agree! Ghmyrtle (talk) 14:25, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Thanks :) Do you think it would be worth producing a whole series of similar images?--Nilfanion (talk) 13:26, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
I'm sure no-one would object, if you have the time. Ghmyrtle (talk) 13:53, 28 March 2013 (UTC)
I'll look into that at some point, at least for the long distance routes.--Nilfanion (talk) 22:57, 30 March 2013 (UTC)

Updates for cyclone tracks map[edit]

Hi,

I was doing some research about cyclone prone areas and came across your absolutely wonderful map showing the tracks of all cyclones from 1985 to 2005. I wanted to ask if you might be updating it anytime soon with all the new data available now?

Thanks and best regards, Fez. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.73.25.202 (talk) 13:16, 29 May 2013 (UTC)

Extent of the Pennines[edit]

Hello Nilfanion. I wonder would you able to offer any advice about the query I've left at Wikipedia:Graphics Lab/Map workshop#Extent of the Pennines? Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:55, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

(Seems to now be resolved, but any suggestions you might have on the subject still very welcome, thanks). Martinevans123 (talk) 10:56, 16 June 2013 (UTC)
Left an extensive comment on the article's talk page. That new map works IMO, but I'd prefer more context in the lead map - not just zoomed in on Northern England.--Nilfanion (talk) 12:02, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Well, I did ask, didn't I! An excellent review of image use there, Nilfanion. Thank you very much. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:52, 25 June 2013 (UTC)

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Motorway sign panels[edit]

Would you like me to create a set of blue motorway signs without the infamous chopsticks? I can crank them out this weekend. I can set up {{Jct}} to use them as well. –Fredddie 00:53, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Yeah you may as well, the symbol is more to denote a status change, than part of the route identifier. Its location isn't even fixed when it is used.
There are a few other things, these may need adjustments to {{jct}} and certainly need more images on Commons to address. These are (in order of priority)
  1. Providing both primary (yellow/green) and non-primary (black/white) images for relevant A roads, and the ability to switch between them. For example, the M5 has several junctions with the A38, its primary at some (J31) and non-primary at others (J26).
  2. Standardising the sizes of the icons to get rid of the formatting issues.
  3. Providing black/white images for those B roads that need it.
  4. Providing support for E-roads. They aren't signposted but exist in UK and are encyclopedic.
IMO, the primary/non-primary thing is of greater concern than the motorway symbol. The use of that symbol might be incorrect, but its not misleading like showing a primary A38 at J26.--Nilfanion (talk) 09:08, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Agreed. It looks like I won't get everything done this weekend like I thought I would, but I will certainly begin and I will update you on my progress as I go. –Fredddie 18:56, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
Thinking about how to split the A roads: One way might be to split the A class in {{jct}} to AP and AS. So {{jct|AP|38}} calls the primary version and {{jct|AS|38}} the secondary. {{jct|A|38}} could fall back to the AP version, and flag any instances into a temp category.
As for the file names, instead of File:UK road A38.svg could be replaced by something like File:UK primary road A38.svg and File:UK secondary road A38.svg.--Nilfanion (talk) 19:19, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

FYI I'm using User:Nilfanion/RJL to set up RJLs for some easier cases. Issues identifed so far are those above.--Nilfanion (talk) 20:12, 29 June 2013 (UTC)

Also while miles should be shown first (as the commonly understood unit in UK), the source information is in km (as government works in metric). The template can convert the first shown to the second, but not sure if it can do that backwards?--Nilfanion (talk) 20:32, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
That is the limitation with the templates. Typically the sourced length is first and the second column is converted. –Fredddie 20:51, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
This is a case where UK exceptionalism makes sense. Everywhere else the primary unit the public uses is the working unit of the government. The fact the countdown warnings ahead of roadworks will often be at 2 miles, 1 mile, 800m, 400m, 200m shows how confused situation is in UK.
Its not urgent, as any rounding errors are not significant (no junction is that short). In long term editing the templates to provide for this special case would be useful; but that is something to worry about another time IMO.--Nilfanion (talk) 21:59, 29 June 2013 (UTC)
The metre distances are just metricated versions of the proper distances so that the UK govt can pretend to Europe that we're switching over. The difference between 12 mile (2,640 ft) and 800 metres (2,624.7 ft) is about the same as a car's length - not worth worrying about. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:14, 29 June 2013 (UTC)


I asked at WT:MOSICON and got a reply. Your idea is probably fine per MOSICON. –Fredddie 02:48, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Though I'd wait and not go off just one person's say so, just in case. --Rschen7754 02:54, 4 July 2013 (UTC)

Shires of Scotland[edit]

You have removed the category 'Stirlingshire' from the Balfron entry. I do not understand why the village can no longer be categorised in that way, but notwithstanding, the page still refers to 'Balfron, Stirlingshire' in more than one place, so we need some consistency here. You should consider reverting, or completing the job. An explanation of the talk page would be helpful.Shipsview (talk)

I have just noted that you have made a similar change to Barscobe Castle (since reverted by AN Other). What is going on? Shipsview (talk) 09:04, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

See WT:SCOTLAND, especially the most recent threads. Basically, I'm looking at one user's contribs and will likely miss other instances.
In the case of Balfron, the only other mention of Stirlingshire is in the name field of the infobox. That is inappropriate - its name is just "Balfron".
As for writing about places in the Britain, longstanding convention is to use the current administrative areas (cf Wikipedia:WikiProject UK geography/How to write about settlements). That principle extends to the categorisation too. The best way to write about historical units is as in Christchurch, Dorset: "Christchurch is... in Dorset. Historically part of Hampshire"...--Nilfanion (talk) 09:36, 5 September 2013 (UTC)
It is mentioning the text of the Local Government (Scotland) Act 1973, which is stronger than the equivalent in England. "On 16th May 1975, all local government areas existing immediately before that date, that is to say, all counties [...] shall cease to exist". Shires of Scotland has been heavily affected by this user, so I would not trust its current content.--Nilfanion (talk) 09:49, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Wikmaps grant request : we need your support[edit]

Hello Nilfanion,
Long time not seen. I just publicly announced a grant request on the Map Workshop talkpage. Please take a look, and support us on meta ! Cheer ! Yug (talk) 12:25, 19 October 2013 (UTC)

The concept looks good, but I do have two concerns:
  1. Poor data quality. From what I have seen gdam is only really suitable for small scale stuff; I have commented to this effect on the grant's talk. It is not usable for larger scale, and should be avoided when better sources exist. Specifically in UK, lvl 1 (eg England, Wales) are OK, but the gdam boundaries for lvl 2 are not good enough - noticeable generalisation for counties, and awful for the unitary authorities like Southampton. Furthermore even when you do have higher quality data, the relief maps start to get pixellated (the relief data for File:Torfaen UK relief location map.jpg is higher resolution than SRTM).
  2. Duplication of existing material. What will you do about existing maps - skip or do again? May just be a waste of time, but may be an outright regression, if lower quality data is used.--Nilfanion (talk) 10:21, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

2011 census - ugh[edit]

HiI! You seem to be au fait with the 2011 census data, whereas despite wrestling wth the website for about an hour now I can't get what I want out of it. Is there a magic combination of keypresses that will give me a simple table of all Devon's parishes and their 2011 populations? I can get them one at a time, like this for Otterton, but...  —SMALLJIM  15:40, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

The website you want is http://www.nomisweb.co.uk/census/2011 . Specifically, you want this http://www.nomisweb.co.uk/census/2011/ks101ew ; the wizard/advanced query gets you to parish in county download tables.--Nilfanion (talk) 22:07, 18 November 2013 (UTC)
Thanks. I may have walked into a job here. I could spend the next seven years writing a program to update the figures automatically, I suppose (and it would take me about that long).  —SMALLJIM  22:44, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Cornwall[edit]

Why this edit? In my view it's informative to other editors to leave comments like that in place, per WP:TPO. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:27, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

Basically, the sockmaster got blocked disruption relating to the article, but the edits to the talk page are themselves becoming disruptive. The edit itself has nothing to do with improving the article, but says checkuser is wrong because his friends did it.--Nilfanion (talk) 09:36, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
I appreciate that, but striking and then removing their comments seems unnecessary. Ghmyrtle (talk) 09:37, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
I didn't strike the pre-block comments (which are part of a threaded discussion), and cannot see any value to retaining the comment I reverted.--Nilfanion (talk) 09:43, 19 November 2013 (UTC)

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Your work licence[edit]

First of all I whant to thank you for your contribution to Wiki community. I want to use your counties of England map in educational application (helping to lern geography) but it is under CC with share alike (SA) licence. I conclude that my work (application with other maps also) in such case has to have "same or similar licence". So I will have to make other maps (I am not author of them) "open" in order to use your map. But if you could allow me to use it under CC-BY (not SA) licence there will be no such problem and I would be gratefull. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.178.52.143 (talk) 19:52, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) CC-BY 3.0 and CC-BY-SA 3.0 both allow you to make derivative works. The fundamental difference is that under CC-BY-SA (but not under CC-BY), if you remix, transform, or build upon the material, you must distribute your contributions under the same license as the original. That is to say, a derivative work made from a CC-BY-SA original must itself be CC-BY-SA, whereas a derivative work made from a CC-BY original may be CC-BY, CC-BY-SA, or another license (subject to certain restrictions). --Redrose64 (talk) 20:53, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
Yes. To use CC-BY-SA every other part of work has to be able to be published under CC-BY-SA. Otherwise you can't use CC-BY-SA. CC-BY doesn't have such restrictions. 95.178.52.143 (talk) 00:21, 23 January 2014 (UTC)
Generally, my understanding is CC-BY-SA works can be used in conjunction with other works without issue. For instance, if you create a webpage using photos - some which you hold the copyright to, and some under CC-BY-SA - you wouldn't have to license the page itself, or the other photos under a CC-BY-SA compatible license.
Those circumstances may, or may not, apply to your application. If you contact me privately (email my username at gmail) we can discuss your precise needs further. Let me know which exact file(s) you want permission to use, and a bit more about your intended use for them. I doubt there will be any issue preventing your use of my work, that should resolve any difficulties.--Nilfanion (talk) 13:06, 23 January 2014 (UTC)

Kirkcudbrightshire[edit]

I see that you've purged this word from the Wikipedia entries of several towns. I think that any town which was in a county for maybe as long as 700 years, should have that fact mentioned; or are you trying to re-write history? 109.150.47.213 (talk) 02:13, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

This is a general problem with Scottish county names, which through re-writing and changing to modern council area names results in places losing their historical context. For large areas in particular, it also loses geographical context. New Galloway, in Dumfries and Galloway, is not in Dumfriesshire, for example, and so is not helpful in locating the burgh. To describe places in the Highland council area as being 'Highland' is particularly unhelpful. Terms such a 'formerly Kirkcudbrightshire' does not quite cut it for me, as for many Kirkcudbrightshire is still Kirkcudbrightshire. Shipsview (talk) 09:36, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

I'll refer to Tongland here as a typical example. The edits I made to these articles were not about purging reference to Kirkcudbrightshire, but removing unhelpful info added by an indef-blocked user with an axe to grind. The sentence: "Tongland is a small village about 2 miles north of Kirkcudbright, in Kirkcudbrightshire, within the District Council Region of Dumfries and Galloway, south west Scotland." is not useful on several levels: Dumfries and Galloway is not a District Council Region (an incorrect neologism), Kirkcudbrightshire is not part of Dumfries and Galloway (their interaction is more complex), there's too many locations in the lead sentence (stylistic - a limited number is easier to read), and this brushes over the complexity associated with the counties.
There are two things - the modern council areas and the historic counties. The lead sentence should describe current situation. Longstanding consensus is to not take the POV that the historic counties are extant, and while that consensus may well need review, it is clearly POV to say that Kirkcudbrightshire exists on its present boundaries today. Which contrasts with the unambiguous fact of it being in Dumfries and Galloway, indicating different treatment.
That doesn't mean we should take the POV that Kirkcudbrightshire doesn't exist today either, so I agree "Formerly" doesn't quite work, as that's also a POV assertion. To quote myserlf, 'my preferred formulation - "Historically in <county>, <place> is..." - is reasonably neutral. It neither implies the location currently is in the county nor does it imply its strictly part of the past, and usefully, it doesn't get bogged down.' Alternatives like "located within the historic county boundaries of" also work. Its doable, but needs more careful treatment.
As for broad areas, especially Highland, I agree saying "X is in the Highlands" is not helpful. Saying "X is in Sutherland" may be more precsise but its even less helpful in some ways, as that cannot be found on modern maps and may be totally unfamiliar. The initial sentence could use some other tidbit to localise like "on the Black Isle", "in Glen Garry" or "50 miles NW of Inverness".--Nilfanion (talk) 11:32, 19 February 2014 (UTC)
Fair points.Shipsview (talk) 18:36, 19 February 2014 (UTC)

Essex Map with more detail[edit]

Hi Nilfanion. Many thanks for your SVG maps. I wondered if I could get some further detail added to a map of Essex; minor A roads, B roads, woods/forests/parks (e.g. Epping Forest, Danbury woods etc), beaches. I'd add them myself but am not sure how to source the vector info to copy, edit and add. Thanks (PaulMartinIE (talk) 11:12, 18 March 2014 (UTC))

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