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Barnstar request

I want a barnstar please :)  Sabeel Hussain  talk 14:31, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Cool :) Nolelover Talk·Contribs 14:33, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the speedy correction

Hi Nolelover, thanks for the speedy correction re: my subpage. DonaldRichardSands (talk) 15:17, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Ahh, no problem :) Nolelover Talk·Contribs 15:19, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

New message on my talk page

There is a new message on my talk page. Also, thanks for the encouragement and kindness. Quill and Pen (talk) 21:15, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

AFC barnstar

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お疲れ様でした (hover/google) - this is a mostly thankless task, but this is a sincere "Thank you". Now, get back to it.  Chzz  ►  19:29, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Much appreciated..but geez, I've just done some cleanup work. What you've done is truly praise-worthy. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 19:44, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Nah; I'm just lazy. Instead of writing stuff, I show others how to write stuff. Get them to do the hard yards :-)  Chzz  ►  19:46, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

recent edits

Ok Thank You! Bijelkorc (talk) 20:52, 3 February 2012 (UTC)Bijelkorc

No problem :) Nolelover Talk·Contribs 20:53, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Your review at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Tom Kelsey


On my reference for the page Tom Kesley, i have used to school newspaper at which he attends. I have sourced all my information from here after an interview the paper had with him. Could you tell me why i am not allowed to use that as a referance.


Lizzie — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:46, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Are you saying you copied the interview? I don't quite understand that. Either way, please take 30 seconds and read WP:VRS. It explains exactly what you need to get your article accepted, and your article doesn't have any reliable, independent sources atm. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 23:49, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

No no, i mean i got my infomation from the interview, it was all said in the interview, ive put it into my own words — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:57, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Understood, but that interview is not enough at all. Wikipedia requires articles to be covered by multiple reliable sources, and one school interview doesn't make the cut. You need much more then that. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 23:59, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Okay, what else am i going to need? — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:00, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Like I said, "Articles require significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject." Has he been covered in newspapers? Books? Magazines? Online article (not blogs)? That's what you need. With all due respect, I don't see that here. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 00:04, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Okay, thankyou for your time — Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:07, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Best of luck :) Nolelover Talk·Contribs 00:09, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Your review at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/


Thank you so much for reviewing my article. This is my very first submission and I appreciate all your input. I was wonder, what is the difference between what I have submitted and an article on

Any help will be greatly appreciated! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexd1984 (talkcontribs) 00:03, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, each article is judged on its own merits, so the other article is kinda irrelevant. However, the main problem is the mission statement and lists of products. Both are frowned upon here on Wikipedia, so if you remove those and add some more reliable sources discussing the website (see WP:VRS), feel free to resubmit. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 00:08, 4 February 2012 (UTC)


Sorry about reverting one of your edits. While checking my watch list on my phone, I clicked rollback on accident. Once I seen the edit, I was quick to revert it. My apologies, Nascar1996(TalkContribs) 00:06, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Hehe, no problem. That's happened to me twice in the last couple days. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 00:08, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Martin J. Levitt

Sorry, but I couldn't figure out where to go to find the comments I needed to review for my submission that you reviewed. Just so you know I am aware it is a "stub" and merely wanted to submit it so that others could actively add to it. Also, I'd like to know how to request an article be deleted. It is titled "John Searl" and redirected from Searl Effect Generator. It is a very gossipy mean article that, in my opinion, doesn't meet Wiki standards. Thank you.EcFitzsimmons (talk) 00:25, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

My comments are in the yellow box here. Is there anything in particular you find gossipy about the Searl article? Nolelover Talk·Contribs 00:57, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

I've added more to my STUB. Would you take a look and see if it passes? Again, I realize it is incomplete, but once it is an ARTICLE I will be able to visit it and add more. Thank you.EcFitzsimmons (talk) 02:29, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Congradulations! Now, one word of advice; please edit out many of the direct quotations. Use them as sources, that's fine. However, you need to put everything in your owns words and use those external links as reference, not just copy everything. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 17:23, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Ok. Advice well taken. I'm sure I can research within Wikipedia but I'd rather as you a ? as an expert. Is there a way to upload a PDF file from my desktop to use as a citation that is not available online? I have many excellent citations and news articles that are simply unavailable online. I've searched and searched. EcFitzsimmons (talk) 17:52, 9 February 2012 (UTC)Please advise. Thank you for all your help. EcFitzsimmons (talk) 17:52, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

That's a common misperception - sources don't need to be online for you to use them. :-) I assume it's like newspapers and magazines. If so, we do have citation templates specifically for them: {{cite news}} and {{cite journal}}. Just copy, paste and fill in the parameters. If that's too tough or time-consuming, just do what you've dne with the other sources and fill in the relevant info (author, title, publisher, date, etc.) and I'll clean it up later. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 18:06, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

References for Rita Indian Playback singer

Hi here is the Article published on The Hindu (Well known News paper in India) about the playback singer Rita(well known popular news papaer in India). The Link for that Article is below/ Please check the link. She recorded many hit songs for Famous Composer Maestro Dr. Ilaiyaraaja, Yuvan Shankar Raja and Karthik Raja in Tamil. She is a well popular rising playback singer in the Tamil, Telugu Movie industry.

Also, Ilaiyaraaja has used her voice for a couple of songs in Mayilu (a Tamil film), which is still in the making. Stage shows with the maestro have been exhilarating experiences for Rita.

Mother Lalitha Thyagarajan is an accomplished veena player and sister Poppy (“That's what we call her!”) has also sung in a couple of films.

She has many hits in Telugu too.

<copyright material from the above link>

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Dannytop123 (talkcontribs) 15:58, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

That's great, but that one source by itself isn't enough. You'll need a few more. Also, please remove the text of the Hindu online article from your submission; that's a copyrighted article and you can't copy it here. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 16:01, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello Please check the references I sent before .

<copyright material> — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dannytop123 (talkcontribs) 16:09, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

I answered your question above; one source isn't enough, and please don't copy that article everywhere. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 16:13, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
I should clarify; none of the other sources discuss her in any detail. Those don't really help you very much. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 16:15, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello Please look at this reference from wikipedia

Maayavi Neeya Sivi Dharan (music director) Shruthi Ravi

Megam Megam Kannamoochi Yenada Yuvan Shankar Raja Shweta Mohan

Ottrai kannale Vel (film) Yuvan Shankar Raja Rita

Hello Please look at this reference from wikipedia

Maayavi Neeya Sivi Dharan (music director) Shruthi Ravi Megam Megam Kannamoochi Yenada Yuvan Shankar Raja Shweta Mohan Ottrai kannale Vel (film) Yuvan Shankar Raja Rita — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dannytop123 (talkcontribs) 16:19, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a reliable reference. Please find reliable sources that verify your submission. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 16:26, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello Please check the reference from your wikipedia

you will find Rita under the Discography section and under the Co-singer column


Year Song Title Film name Music Director Co-singer

Maayavi Neeya Sivi Dharan (music director) Shruthi Ravi

Megam Megam Kannamoochi Yenada Yuvan Shankar Raja Shweta Mohan

Ottrai kannale Vel (film) Yuvan Shankar Raja Rita — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dannytop123 (talkcontribs) 16:43, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a reliable reference. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 16:45, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Two AfCs have been created in this case...

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Rita Indian Tamil Playback singer and Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Rita. Thought this might help clear up some of the confusion, Shearonink (talk) 17:10, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Ahh, I didn't realize that...thanks :) Not that the other one is better sourced... Nolelover Talk·Contribs 17:16, 4 February 2012 (UTC)


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Thanks for the tips and time. :) Phanstar (talk) 17:57, 4 February 2012 (UTC)
No problem :) Nolelover Talk·Contribs 17:58, 4 February 2012 (UTC)


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Hello, for my article I have listed reliable sources. One is the JDRF, one is the American Diabetes Association, and one is the CDC which is a .gov page (Centers for Disease Control). These are all reliable sources and not blogs. They can all be verified. Why exactly was it not approved? Thank-you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Toneda (talkcontribs) 15:46, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello, for my article I have listed reliable sources. One is the JDRF, one is the American Diabetes Association, and one is the CDC which is a .gov page (Centers for Disease Control). These are all reliable sources and not blogs. They can all be verified. Why exactly was it not approved? Thank-you. Toneda (talk) 15:48, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Hello, for my article I have listed reliable sources. One is the JDRF, one is the American Diabetes Association, and one is the CDC which is a .gov page (Centers for Disease Control). These are all reliable sources and not blogs. They can all be verified. Why exactly was it not approved? Thank-you. Toneda (talk) 15:49, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

None of the sources provided actually discuss the website. Your sources are all about the disease - that's fine, but add those to the diabetes article. Please add reliable, independent sources discussing the website. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 16:42, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

U.S. War Memorials

Hey Nolelover, So I'm new to wikipedia and have been having lots of trouble. Like you asked, I found two more sources for my article. One is in a magazine called the "War Memorials Trust Bulletin" and it is a minor article. The second however is in a Battlefield Guide Book, one of the best series of WWI and WWII Battlefield guide books. I hope these will be enough. Its a young NPO so its tough to find what the other admins are calling "Mainstream" sources.

I am however having other problems. My picture of the logo was deleted for copyright infringement reasons and it looks like my other pictures of the memorials before and after shots were taken down as well. I am an intern with the AWMO and don't understand this very well, like I said, I'm new to this. There is no compyright on the logo and in the picture's description I noted that and said that we own the picture but relinquish all rights to it. As for the pictures of the memorial, I took those pictures myself and there shouldn't be any reason that they were deleted, nor did I get a message indicated that they would be.

Maybe I'm not using the right copyright tags or I don't know. Any help you could give me would be awesome. Maybe you could give me a time to jump online and you could help me through process. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

John Edward Steckroth 19:02, 7 February 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnsteckroth (talkcontribs)

Well, I'm just gonna take a chance on a couple of the sources and accept it. Hopefully you can find more and add them later on. Now as to the copyright issues. The logo shouldn't be an issue if the correct template is added, so we can work through that. However, the images from the page's website are slightly more problematic. If you took them, you need to talk to the deleting admin(s). If they are copyrighted, and unless the organizations releases them under an applicable licence, they can't be used on Wikipedia; they are replaceable (the stones and memorials are still there so anyone can take a picture), so we can't use them under fair-use. Can you give me more info on that? You've taken the images, but was it as an employee of the organization? If so, I believe they still hold the copyright. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 22:10, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Awesome. Thanks. So I need the proper template for the logo. I thought I had the right one, but I guess not. Do you know which one I'm supposed to use.

As for the other pictures, I took them myself with my camera. And yes, as an employee, however, none of our pictures holds a copyright. Which template would I use for these. I still need to look into which admin(s) may have deleted these pics. Thank you again for helping me through this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnsteckroth (talkcontribs) 20:40, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

For the logo, Wikipedia:Upload is a good place to start. Go down to the line "It is the logo of an organization, brand, product, public facility, or other item" and click 'organization', as I assume that applies best to it. Then try to pick your way through the much-too-complicated directions. Give me a link when you're done, and I'll try to clean it up best I can. That's about the extent of my file/copyright knowledge, so I'll leave you with that and come back to the others later. Got to go out at the moment. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 21:30, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

New article removal

Hi, Before an hour i have published article what are Dropping Odds and Moneyway, you have reject it because of copyright polices, but I am the webmaster of and this information is published there from me.

my new articles contain similar information such as this information published at, because I am the writer at both places. I have publish site DISCLAMER at which not allow copyright, thank you for see it.

I can prove that i am the webmaster of I have place link to Wikipedia at the bottom of homepage under OUR partners section

I'll copy my response to your email: Your disclaimer at the bottom says "All the content on the web site and on all servers belongs to" Under that license, Wikipedia cannot reuse your content. Furthermore, your submission would not have been accepted even if the content was not copyrighted; it was basically an advertisement and all articles must be neutral. You need multiple independent sources discussing your site to establish notability. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 20:50, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Article for creation Yannick Mireur

Hi Nolelove I just red your comment and subsequently some questions arose. Firstly let me tell you that it was my first wiki article so I was/am not too familiar with it. A lot of sources are indeed org. he worked for apart from some others (Columbia university and some articles). Where should I find "independent" sources as you said to make the article more credible?? The most sources I found are those of org. which I believed to be reliable etc. Also what improvement do you mean for the writings section? Thanks for your suggestions and comments! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lorenzone89 (talkcontribs) 01:09, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, yes, those sources are reliable. However, because they are written by him or by companies he has worked with/for, they don't really establish notability. An independent source can be anything - newspapers, magazines, books, online articles (not blogs). Just as long as they are about Mireur, and not by him. Now, the tone of the article will clear up if/when you solve the sourcing problem. Just make sure you aren't making any claims that can't be substantiated (especially since this is a biography of a living person), and stay away from original research and synthesizing sources. Right now it's a bit informal and parts are written like an opinion piece, rather then an article. Hope this helps in starting you off. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 01:55, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Noel Ashman Page

{{admin help}}

Hello there Nolelover, I am broodwhich, and I recently attempted to post a page on Noel Ashman. This page was ultimately turned down and I was hoping you could help me get it to where it needs to be. I am a bit of a new york nightlife aficionado, and I guess I am confused as to why this page is such a hot topic. I know that there was a Noel Ashman page for years and years, then it was taken down and since then it looks like, from the administrators discussion page, it has been posted and taken down many times by many different users. This seems odd to me because Noel is an established leader in the nightlife community. The main gist of your message there, as far as I could tell is that the sources are peripheral, but if I hone the sources will that for sure fix the problem? I feel like there are more concerns than just that at work here and I would love to get this page up for academic reasons, and I would so appreciate your help! Thanks Broodwhich (talk) 01:10, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, I really didn't look at the submission or its sources; it was more of a procedural decline since I can't create the page for technical reasons (I'm not an admin) and it didn't look like any admins would recreate it from the short discussion at AN. From what User:DGG said, the only way to create the article now is to overturn the deletion rationale (it's been deleted eight times, total) at WP:Deletion review. I really can't help more then that, so I'm going to add a {{admin help}} template to this section and hope that someone can confirm that/deny that/give you better advice then what I can offer.
Admins, relevant links include the two articles, the AN discussion, the AfC Broodwhich submitted, the two AfDs and even one userfication. Thanks in advance for any help offered. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 03:40, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
  • DGG's comment at the AN discussion is the course to follow. I'll leave th OP a message on their page in the event they aren't watching this one. Thanks for the helpful links, Nolelover. Tiderolls 05:55, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

GOCE Drive wrap-up

Guild of Copy Editors January 2012 backlog elimination drive
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Greetings from the Guild of Copy Editors January 2012 Backlog elimination drive! Here is your end-of-drive wrap-up newsletter.


45 people signed up for this drive this time; of these, 35 participated. This is similar to the number of editors who helped out in November. Thanks to all who participated! Barnstars will be distributed in the near future.

Progress report

Recent drives have been focusing on the oldest three months in the backlog. During this drive we were successful in eliminating our target months—July, August, and September 2010—from the queue, and there are less than 300 articles remaining from 2010. End-of-drive results and barnstar information can be found here.

When working on the backlog, please keep in mind that there are options other than copy editing available; some articles may be candidates for deletion, or may not be suitable for copy editing at this time for other reasons. The {{GOCEreviewed}} tag can be placed on any article you find to be totally uneditable, and you can nominate for deletion any that you discover to be copyright violations or completely unintelligible. If you need help deciding what to do, please contact any of the coordinators.

Thank you for participating in the January 2012 drive! All contributions are appreciated. Our next copy edit drive will be in March.

Your drive coordinators – The Utahraptor talk, S Masters (talk), Diannaa (Talk), Stfg (Talk), Sp33dyphil (talk), and Dank (talk)

Concerning La Placita article

I recently submitted article 'La Placita' for review and it was rejected based on my use of two sources. It should be noted that these are primary sources with archaeological data; no one else has published on this site. I'm not sure how two primary sources are insufficient, and I am opposed to adding sources that are irrelevant just to provide the appearance of validity.

Additionally, the article was composed by a team of archaeology graduate students. No material was pulled verbatim from either the dissertation or the book.

Can you please direct me to the Wikipedia standards governing the appropriateness/number of sources so the article may be approved? We are trying to promote interest in Colorado archaeological sites. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruhenk (talkcontribs) 01:53, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

You say that the two sources are primary; well, that's really the problem. Wikipedia requires that all its articles be backed up by multiple reliable, independent sources. Could you find anything written about this site like that? Nolelover Talk·Contribs 06:18, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

About newspaper

I saw that you commented about my remarks at my talk-page to other user, for which I'm deeply sorry. I've a request for you List of newspapers in India by circulation (could u please update the newspaper circulation as of 2011 or could you find the correct "ABC source".--Kkm010* ۩ ۞ 09:37, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, first of all, my apologies if I came off as 'scolding' you in any way: I didn't mean it that way. Good to see that you too got it straightened out though. :) I don't think I can update the source for that article is asking me for login information and I am obviously not a member of the site. Sorry about that :( Nolelover Talk·Contribs 09:46, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
OK. lets see who else can update all the information's.--Kkm010* ۩ ۞ 12:06, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikify Effort Review

Hey, you posted on my talk page and said to drop a note if I had any questions. There's a bit of ambiguity about how much work has to be done to properly wikify a page, and I was wondering if you could take a moment to review my efforts and let me know if any additional work needs to be done or if anything needs to be corrected for me to properly take credit for wikifying the article. The one I worked on is the List of Monster Rancher episodes, and I left notes both with my updates and on the talk page about my misgivings. Thanks in advance for any advice you can give. Benjiboy5187 (talk) 14:48, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

To be honest, you did much more then I would have expected. Wikifying is pretty subjective, so a little common sense is all you need. It looks like you have that down. I'll check on any other articles you submit, but I'm sure you'll do fine. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 15:55, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't think that is mine

You probably planned to put this somewhere else. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 01:35, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Oops, thanks. I guess that because of this you're the official 'submitter'. Thanks for the note, Nolelover Talk·Contribs 01:39, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Ugh, silly AfC that thinks on its own. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 01:43, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Happy Valentine's Day!

Happy Valentine's Day! Wilhelmina Will (talk) 10:25, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Well thank you! Nolelover Talk·Contribs 13:30, 14 February 2012 (UTC)


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Hi, I noticed your decision at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Monika given name. IMHO (as a member of WP:WikiProject Anthroponymy) there are sufficient examples of notable people with this spelling, and sufficient distinction of national origins, to split the spelling Monika from Monica (given name). I recommend that the page should be moved to Monika (given name). Is this open for reconsideration? – Fayenatic (talk) 11:51, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I completely missed the fact that they were spelled differently. I spent 10 minutes looking at that submission wondering why someone had created it, even with almost the same name as the other one. I'm still not sure....ehh, it can't hurt. I'll go ahead and create it for you :) Nolelover Talk·Contribs 13:48, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Also, make sure you remove all Monikas from Monica (given name). Nolelover Talk·Contribs 13:49, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Done. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 13:54, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
And Done! (Monika from Monica) – Fayenatic (talk) 14:22, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Even better done by you! :-) – Fayenatic (talk) 11:22, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your support! You mentioned "great name", presumably in response to my comments on Q13. I'd be interested to know why you thought so... and whether I should know who is Nole! – Fayenatic (talk) 15:50, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
hehe...easy question first - the Seminoles are the sports teams of Florida State University, of which I'm a big fan (their colors are in my sig). Now, as for Faye...well, I really like names that actually tell us a little about you (like mine), plus the creativity...oh forget's just cause I remember Eyes on Me (I think?) in the one Final Fantasy game I ever played. *grins* That's not to say that I don't like a creative and honest name....but hit me when I read the answer to Q13. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 16:05, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Aha and aha! Yes, Eyes on Me (Faye Wong song), FF8... I remember being delighted when I found a citation for Westerners knowing Faye from that song. I'm not into video games but I know Rinoa Heartilly by sight from the MV. – Fayenatic (talk) 18:34, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
Ahh, yup, that's it. Now that you've got me on the subject, excuse me while I spend the rest of the day reminiscing over old video games I used to play... Nolelover Talk·Contribs 13:25, 16 February 2012 (UTC)


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Further regarding article on Abdul Qavi Desnavi

Dear Nolelover, Further regarding article on Abdul Qavi Desnavi, finally edited by Ehsan Sehgal his new user name is Justice007 on 30 Dec. 2011. His edits are not constructive. I consider, he is not familiar with topic, it seems he never read books & writing of Desnavi. He deleted important matters from the article, even the name of books from the list. Desnavi has written around 50 books Ref. but he mentioned only 13 books & deleted rest from the list. Even he given wrong Ref. (see, That ref. is from news paper that only given one name of his book. In brief, I think said article not need any correction, in case if it is not in parameter of Wikipedia then it can be corrected by any of his editor but should not allow for deletion of matter which has proper references. Almost 45 days passed nobody has rated the article after deletion of matter, if you check history you will find the article was rated by many readers. As you had commented earlier on the article, so I requested please go through original article & judge yourself. Regards Bpldxb 16:46, 15 February 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bpldxb (talkcontribs)

Well, we generally don't allow long lists of books; Wikipedia is not for big collections of information, like that sounds like. Other then that, I don't quite understand what your concerns are. Do you have a specific part of the article or some of Justice's edits that you disagree with? Nolelover Talk·Contribs 17:53, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

yearly awards

So, regarding the yearly awards, I think I will go ahead and pick the picture I like best and hand it out for participation and most leaderboard appearances. I think I'll drop most article wikified, just because it will like be someone who is on the leaderboard anyway. --Kerowyn Leave a note 18:24, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Head, meet desk. Urg...I completely forgot about this....I'm sorry. If you still want to do this, then that sounds fine. Will the participation be only awarded to those who were in all drives, or just most of them (like 4-5)? If there's anything I can do...? Nolelover Talk·Contribs 19:57, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

Your assistance required.

  • Hi Nolelover,how are you?.Your assistance is needed at Muhammad Iqbal. I have added new section, but there is a bit or big problem that I can not cite the reference,it goes to reference 4,it should be actually reference 25,a separate reference. Can you please help to fix it and clean-up content and futher I will cite the content.Thanks.Justice007 (talk) 19:32, 16 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Finally I have managed to fix the reference properly,now you only to clean-up,if there is needed.Thanks.Justice007 (talk) 20:13, 16 February 2012 (UTC)


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The Most Excellent Wikification Award is hereby granted to Nolelover, for their service in participating in all of WikiProject Wikify's drives in 2011. Thank you for your noble service! Kerowyn Leave a note 20:01, 16 February 2012 (UTC)

And thank you for yours! See your talk page... Nolelover Talk·Contribs 00:50, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

RfA votes

Re your comment on User talk:HandiGoatMasala, I suspect I was due an oppose from Kumioko except they seem to have added two opposes to Fayenatic london's RfA instead (second has since been removed). Not that changes the validity of your comment to HandiGoatMasala but thought you might be interested to know about it if you hadn't spotted it yourself. Dpmuk (talk) 17:46, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes...I've been watching all three RfA's so I noticed that. However, the fact that he supported all three with such a two-wrongs-make-a-right reasoning, even when Kumioko hadn't opposed, only shows how boilerplate his own reasoning was. Oh well, neither will sink (or make) any RfA's.... Nolelover Talk·Contribs 18:00, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks again for your support at my RfA. Be among the first to see my L-plate! – Fayenatic L (talk) 14:05, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Use the mop well. :) Nolelover Talk·Contribs 14:09, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

AfC-barnstar-remake.png The Articles for Creation barnstar
For being so awesome at the help desk :) A412 (Talk * C) 20:13, 17 February 2012 (UTC)
Well thank you! It is much appreciated, as is your work there. :) Nolelover Talk·Contribs 20:22, 17 February 2012 (UTC)


Moved from Wikipedia talk:Editor review/Nolelover. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 21:07, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

You are a teen. You have stated that my submission was rejected. I disagree with you. Another reviewer, MABDUL, agreed with your assessment and reasoned that my submission failed to provide citations to newspapers. Although archives of newspapers from 1938 - 1955 are practically impossible to find, the fact is that newspaper articles are cited in the article. A reference to H.T. Lockard is the Memphis Commercial Appeal. A reference for Scovel Richardson is another newspaper article from that time period. Please do not think that I am boasting or condescending toward you because I am not. I am 60 years old, a lawyer, a college graduate (magna cum laude), law school graduate and a member of two state bar associations. I have traveled to Europe on two occasions. I consider myself fairly well read and knowledgeable on many things. I am intelligent enough to know that there is an immense amount that I do not know. It is astonishing to me that a teenager could assume that my submission is inadequate. If you are a "child prodigy" please accept my sincere apology. Have you looked at the successfully submitted article on the Robert E. Howard Museum? That is, uh, really noteworthy. My opinion is that as a teen, you lack a historical perspective. This is not meant to be a harmful or accusatory criticism; but instead, common sense. Bold textWhile I appreciate your effort in reviewing the article, I must disagree with your implied suggestion to expand on the topic within the article on Lincoln University of Missouri. The history of the School of Law entailed many factual matters pointing ti its "separateness" from Lincoln University of Missouri: it was in a separate location; it was created at a date much later than the mother institution, it was a professional school whereas the university offered baccalaureate degrees only,it was created during the Jim Crow era in order to avoid integration of the White and Black races, and it ceased to exist at about the time of Brown v. Board of Education. At a minimum, the foregoing give the article noteworthy status which entitles the article for unqualified acceptance as an article in Wikipedia. So, my opinion is that you are incorrect and I reassert that this submission be accepted as a article. I respectfully request that the article be accepted and that youItalic text respond to both these comments and my request. I await your response. Slidhome (talk) 20:59, 18 February 2012 (UTC) pointed it out a couple times, so I should say that no, I'm no child prodigy and yes, I can guarantee that you're the expert here. Now, I don't know what Mabdul said, but I didn't decline because there weren't any newspaper sources. It was simply because the first line reads "Lincoln University School of Law was a professional graduate school of Lincoln University (now Lincoln University of Missouri)" and as a reviewer the first thing I would do is look to see if "Lincoln University of Missouri" has an article, and would it fit there. I have nothing against excepting it, so there's no need to believe I'm against the article or its content. There will be a few things that need to be fixed, but those can be quick if you're willing to do them. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 21:29, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt Bold textresponse. I appreciate your willingness to assist me. My earnest desire is to get the article accepted because I believe it to be historically noteworthy, and it is of no concern whether my name is attributed to it. Tell me what I can do to accomplish that goal. Thank you. Slidhome (talk) 21:41, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Aright..the first and most important thing is to remove all used of ibid and terms like it. Because of the way Wikipedia is built, those are very likely to break and you would be the best person to fix it, since you know which references go where and so forth. Once that is done (remember that Wikipedia has no deadline, so feel free to take your time) we can look at it again. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 21:46, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

NOLELOVER: Thank you for your help. And thank you for the hint to not worry about any deadline. I will not have the time to learn the editing rules in order to make the necessary changes. What if I just turn it over to you to whip it into shape? Slidhome (talk) 22:05, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Theoretically I could, however I'd be a bit wary since I haven't seen the sources and wouldn't even be positive of what sources you meant to go where. I could try, but I would always err on the side of removing the footnote. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 00:16, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
  • I think I can handle the extra references and ibid's quickly. The first sentence is also confusing. It sounds like Lincoln University of Missouri closed in 1955.  :- ) DCS 06:18, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Not as easy as I had hoped, but Yes check.svg Done  :- ) DCS 08:28, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
    • Thanks DCS, that was...great. Now Slidhome, I'm ready to accept your article now, but before I do that can you clarify the relationship between LUSoL and the current university? Nolelover Talk·Contribs 20:44, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Thomas Smith & Sons article

Hi. My article on Thomas Smith & Son was declined for copying material on the Middleton Railway website, I am in fact the author of that article. I have written a number of articles on and, I am also on the committee of the Middleton Railway Trust. One of our objectives is to inform people about our engineering heritage in Leeds so seeing a few missing bits on the subject in Wikipedia it seemed sensible to contribute what material I have. To verify this look at the bottom of the article, you will see my name as author and a link to my own page which has the same e-mail address registered in my account. Hope this clears things up Kris Krisward42 (talk) 22:22, 18 February 2012 (UTC)

Alright....I can't find any licensing information on the website, so can you tell me if there's any? Now, having the same email, or being the author really doesn't mean anything - you actually have to explicitly release the content under the applicable licenses. FWIW, it would be easier to simply rewrite the article and use that site as a source, but if not (and I can easily see how you wouldn't want to rewrite something you wrote) I can look up the info for you to send to our copyright team. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 00:14, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

I've submitted a new article, hope this one is OKKrisward42 (talk) 12:34, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

And I've accepted it. Thanks! Nolelover Talk·Contribs 20:52, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

May you help him

  • Would you please help in this regard here. The editor has asked me to help him,but I do not know the mentioned references are reliable?. I will try to search by google,if find any,will be added in the references section.I am leaving the message to editor's talk page that may you help him?.Thanks.Justice007 (talk) 19:33, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
    • Certainly...also, I'm glad to see that you got the references fixed on M. Iqbal (you last message). Nolelover Talk·Contribs 20:53, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a lot Nolelover

To be honest, it ended up being much more than I wanted to do at that hour, but I started it, so I decided to finish.  I really appreciate the star.  I learned very quickly AfC is not the place to work if you need strokes, or your ego is easily bruised.  :- ) DCS 21:08, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

I can imagine, and yup, very true. Anyway, thanks again :) Nolelover Talk·Contribs 21:14, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

For futher clean-up

  • Hi mentor,I have done major clean-up to Satyapal Anand,there were no reliable sources,I searched by google and found some reliable souces,with that I have improved the article,now it is for futher clean-up before you.What do you think,I am learning good or not??.Thanks.Justice007 (talk) 22:14, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
    • Oh don't call me mentor, and even without looking at Anand I can tell you that you've learned great. :) It's really been a pleasure to work with you. Now, let's see... Nolelover Talk·Contribs 22:40, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
      • Good heavens Justice, it looks fantastic. It's amazing how much you've learned... Nolelover Talk·Contribs 22:43, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Why not?,that you are who assists me in all the wiki ways and rules,and that means mentor.You will be always mentor in my eyes and heart. I am Justic007 now,actually no problem,but you know our people.Cheers.Justice007 (talk) 23:02, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
    • Ahh, yes, my apologies. Well, its just odd...anyway, good job on Anand. I did a little bit of copyediting, but you fixed the overall structure and stuff well. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 23:07, 19 February 2012 (UTC)

Advise needed

Thanks for your response on my post at the help page.

I'm really facing difficulties here in writing this article since most of the information is provided to me by the government agency in charge of the government initiative, the info mostly originated from their website which i helped to create.

What is the best way to allow the article to be published apart from rewriting it? Since I'm running low on resources to work on the page. Or maybe you can lend a hand in making it up to Wikipedia standard :)

Is there a way to get the article up then allow other users to initiate any discussion should they think the article is not accurate? --Pemanducomm (talk) 10:24, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

The article has existed since 2009 at Government Transformation Programme (Malaysia). Please edit there, but don't add all the stuff that I just removed from Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Government Transformation Programme (GTP) Malaysia. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 14:46, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi there! I've added more references in the article

Could you please have a look? Thanks. --Pemanducomm (talk) 08:06, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Pemanducomm, the article already exists. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 12:59, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

We realized the existence of the mentioned page, however the content is not up to date and not based on the official report. Hence the creation of the new article with details of every initiatives (before removed), we thought it is essential to provide these information to the public. What say you? --Pemanducomm (talk) 05:26, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Well then why don't you update the page that already exists? You can edit it. :) There's no technical reason to delete it, so I'm not sure it's possible to replace it anyway. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 13:37, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Dosco diplomats

Hi, can you do anything to save the page?

Merlaysamuel (talk) 15:57, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Hmm...well, the biggest problem as I see it is that all the names here are already at List of Doon School alumni#Diplomacy. Now, the concerns expressed are valid, but I definitely don't think that the article should be completely deleted because it's definitely a valid search term. I think the best thing I can do is redirect it. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 16:20, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Won't that be missing the point? People would want to see only Dosco diplomats and not the whole list. Anyway, do what you think is right. I have complete faith in you. One other thing regarding The Doon School. Do you think it is time for a rigorous peer-review. Why don't you put it up for peer review? We can then work on all the suggested issues. Let's not drag this any more. What say?

Merlaysamuel (talk) 16:25, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

That may be true, but honestly, its better then deletion. :( As for peer review...hmm...can you give me another week to ten days? Maybe shoot for March first? There's still some things I know I can fix, although if you want to, then go ahead :) Nolelover Talk·Contribs 16:28, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
The point is I don't know how to do that. Just go ahead right now and do it please. We can have 2-3 peer reviews before the big run. eh? so do it now, i say. I have no clue how to do it :P

Merlaysamuel (talk) 16:39, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Well....I have no idea either :P In fact, the little review that CT Cooper gave was actually a very good peer review. I think the ones he mentioned are a little more formal, but its the same idea (and they would probably tell us the same stuff). Also, there might be a problem in getting reviewers, if the system is anything like I think it might be. See, not as many people are interested in Indian schools, so a review might sit for a while, and it might be really hard to get more then one. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 16:43, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Okay I'm going through the procedure now and will try to put it up.

Merlaysamuel (talk) 16:55, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Err, I hadn't realized that the official peer review process (at WP:Peer review) is for "high-quality articles that have already undergone extensive work". We definitely aren't there yet, so let's hold off on the PR. Apparently what we did (go to a project talk page and ask there) is what we should have done. Let's focus on his issues before we ask for another review. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 17:01, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Peer review/The Doon School/archive1 @ )

Merlaysamuel (talk) 17:02, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

That may be a little premature... Nolelover Talk·Contribs 17:04, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Oops! I hadn't seen your previous msg. I had put it up before i read it. Anyway, now that it is up let it just roll-on. In the meanwhile, we can improve/edit and if we get any reviews ....good for us.

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/

Hello, thank you for reviewing our article for creation. Could you elaborate on why exactly you thought our article sounded like an advertisement. I'm trying to pinpoint whether it was due to our Product section or our references were insufficent. Thanks Rhodesfs (talk) 18:28, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

I removed the products section, and accepted the article. Thank you for your submission :) Nolelover Talk·Contribs 18:59, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much Rhodesfs (talk) 19:28, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

I have another question – most people who search for us will probably type "TaxSlayer" rather than "". What would you recommend us doing to ensure people find our article? Perhaps change our article name to TaxSlayer? Thanks Rhodesfs (talk) 21:59, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Redirect created. :) Nolelover Talk·Contribs 22:03, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks again for all of your help. It's appreciated! Rhodesfs (talk) 12:48, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Glad you're happy :) Nolelover Talk·Contribs 13:00, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

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Auslogics Disk Defrag

User talk:Ihcoyc#So back in 2008...

I see that User:Bmusician declined the Articles for Creation request. Since that has been repeatedly re-created as an advertisement, I suspect that you might want to deal with him. I believe he is also an administrator, so he too could reset the page protection if he is satisfied that the draft belongs in article space. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 21:41, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

I can ask him if he agrees, but he's no admin, unfortunately. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 21:47, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Let me know. If he approves it for posting I will be happy to remove the lock on the page. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 23:09, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
When I declined the submission, the article didn't claim any notability and very few reliable sources were in the submission. It seems a little better now because "Auslogics Disk Defrag comes recommended by the Official Windows Magazine as a tool for optimizing the latest hard drives" is a claim of notability. I also approve for posting, so unprotecting the article in mainspace would help. --Bmusician 01:02, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Plus there are a couple decent reviews. Thanks Bmusician, Nolelover Talk·Contribs 01:21, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Very well, then. The page has now been unprotected. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 04:24, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
And I took the liberty of moving the article to Auslogics Disk Defrag in main space. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 04:26, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! Nolelover Talk·Contribs 13:01, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Some bubble tea for you!

Bubble Tea.png Thanks for handling this one for me: Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/K. G. Saminathan. I saw it when I got up, and found it overwhelming.

And, let me know if I can help with this: "the message is a bit confusing and I'm working with another editor right now to fix it. Nolelover"

This place is so confusing, and I work here. A major feedback at Feedback Dashboard is confusion.

Hope you like Bubble Tea. I hate tea, but I love bubble tea. :- ) DCS 00:16, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Lol, no problem...that's what we're all here for, hehe. My cryptic message was in regards to this (I can't remember where I said that so I don't know if you've seen that) and the apparent confusion of the draft message. User:Ocaasi and I had a brief chat on IRC about it and he edited the template. Hopefully that will make it slightly less confusing, even if confusion is the normal state of Wikipedia. =/ I do indeed love bubble tea, although I haven't had any in, well, probably years...I'm in a small town and we don't even have Wal-Mart. :P Nolelover Talk·Contribs 00:30, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Bubble Tea and Walmart?  Maybe your bubble tea is not my bubble tea.  I was talking about the stuff from Taiwan with tapioca in it.  At least Darius Rafat is gone.  kt101 or A412 had done some work and added "citation needed" in the appropriate places.  When it was submitted again, not much was done except to remove all the [citation needed], so I rejected and put back [citation still needed] in the same places :-p  :- ) DCS 01:00, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Nah, we're thinking of the same bubble tea (I used to get a great cup at an Asian market in Atlanta), but quick tip - if a town isn't even remotely big enough for Wal-Mart, it sure has heck won't have a good any bubble tea seller. ;) Rafat? Bleh. I just keep telling myself that it still isn't even close to the worst of the worst on here... Nolelover Talk·Contribs 01:25, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Interesting rating parameter, the number of Walmarts. ;-p  Well there are at least 3 or 4 Walmarts in Albuquerque and one Bubble Tea place recently opened.  Have not been there yet, but I was used to getting it in Tempe at ASU. :-)  Yeap on quality consistency. That may be the next big contention around here.  :- ) DCS 15:11, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
I could use traffic lights, if that's easier for you to imagine ;) BTW, we don't have any. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 15:29, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Roger that. :-) We have a few hundred I am sure, but still a small town to me, after being in Phoenix area for 25 years. :-p  But, to give an indication of age, the first time I went through Albuquerque, it had one traffic light and one McDonalds.  :- ) DCS 16:03, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Whew...I've been through that area once, on a cross country train trip and it was quite beautiful, coming from the east coast. (Taking Amtrak from New Orleans to LA, and maybe then even up to Seattle, should be on everyone's bucket lists...absolutely gorgeous scenery, relaxed atmosphere, interesting's quite the vacation).
And it really sounds bad to say that not even the Golden arches have reached us, but that's the case, heheh. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 16:19, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

For your hard work and dedication

AfC-barnstar-remake.png CharlieEchoTango's Articles for Creation Barnstar
Nolelover, thanks in no small part to your hard work providing helpful and timely answers to many requests, the articles for creation help desk is off to a solid start. Thank you for your commitment and dedication to WikiProject Articles for creation. :-) CharlieEchoTango (contact) 00:50, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Well geez...I haven't done that much...certainly not enough to warrant this very pretty piece of code...heh, still, it's very much appreciated. :) Nolelover Talk·Contribs 01:27, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Article on Auslogics Disk Defrag

Just wanted to say thank you very much for taking the time to review my article and for accepting it! :) TaraSwimms (talk) 05:20, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Glad that worked out for you. :) Nolelover Talk·Contribs 13:02, 21 February 2012 (UTC)


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Hello, Nolelover. You have new messages at Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/Help desk.
Message added 13:30, 21 February 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

mabdul 13:30, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Manual Reviewing

Hi Nolelover,

I'm not going to be much help for a while, not that I was in the past. :-p  Real life just got very busy.  I saw the manual review mess up.  That is where some good documentation could be done, or else just not allow manual reviewing.  It took me a while to figure out what was going on with the template, and I do that kind of stuff for a living. :-p  And the template has recently been revised by Mabdul.  I don't think the documentation was. Good luck.  :- ) DCS 15:04, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Every good editor is needed; you and your help will be missed. :( And yeah, the AfC template has to be one of the most complicated systems on WP...of course, if someone can't do manual reviewing properly, I worry that given them a script will only make them mess up faster...wait, which template/documentation? Nolelover Talk·Contribs 15:27, 21 February 2012 (UTC)
Nevermind. I was talking about this one: {{AFC submission|D|dict|ts=20120221153859|u=Example|ns=5}}  I just looked at a recent article with 100 declines and it had 3 different versions, so I guess it is a moving target at this time. :-(  :- ) DCS 15:44, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Articles for Creation appeal

Articles for Creation urgently needs your help!

Articles for Creation is desperately short of reviewers! We are looking for urgent help, from experienced editors, in reviewing submissions in the pending submissions queue. Currently the are 3003 submissions waiting to be reviewed.

Do you have what it takes?
  1. Are you familiar with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines?
  2. Do you know what Wikipedia is and is not?
  3. Do you have a working knowledge of the Manual of Style, particularly article naming conventions?
  4. Are you autoconfirmed?
  5. Can you review submissions based on their individual merits?

If the answer to these questions is yes, then please read the reviewing instructions and donate a little of your time to helping tackle the backlog.

--Bmusician 12:26, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Adoption Requests

I am in desperate need of a quick lesson in how to do Wikipedia stuff. I've been volunteered to keep an eye on the Wiki for Washington College where I work. There are also things I need to do, like update the logo which has changed slightly since 2006 when it was uploaded initially. Please and thanks for any help you can provide!

Lbergman2 (talk) 17:55, 22 February 2012 (UTC)Lindsay (lbergman2)

I would be more then happy to help you in any way I can. :) You say you'd like a lesson (BTW, the word 'quick' doesn't exists on here ;) I've been here for years and I still learn new stuff every day) in "Wikipedia stuff" - do you have any specifics areas? Where would you like to edit and what are you planning on doing? Nolelover Talk·Contribs 18:07, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
I was afraid you'd say "quick" was an unattainable dream! Drat. Oh well. Thank you for your quick reply! First and foremost, I want to add a new picture of our logo on the Washington College page. On my short list of tasks, I've been assigned to add more information on prominent alumni, add more photos, add information about faculty scholarship, and add more about the waterfront area. Possible projects include creating Wiki pages for books written by Mitchell Reiss and Adam Goodheart, creating a page for the Center for Environment & Society, making the Rose O'Neill Literary House more stylized to Wiki standards. Think I can learn enough to do those things? :) Thanks!!! Lbergman2 (talk) 18:55, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
Well, not unattainable, just...unreasonable. :) Alright, first things sounds like you have a conflict on interest regarding Washington College (not because you work there, but because you've "been assigned"). Now, you aren't disallowed from editing or anything, but please take a look at WP:Conflict of interest and think about expressly declaring your employer on your user page or talk page. Remember that Wikipedia is far more transparent then people think (almost nothing on here ever truly disappears) so be careful about doing things that could impact you or your higher-ups later on. Also, people are much more likely to help you out (and not just block you as a "single-purpose account") if you work on more then just your college. Find another subject you're interested in, and show that you're here to build an encyclopedia, and not just improve such and such in your 9 to 5. Alright, now that that's out of the way, images. To prevent spammers, we require you to become confirmed, which will automatically happen after 10 edits and four days. For you that means roughly two more days and five more edits. Once that has happened, you can go to File:WashingtonCollegeLogo.png (if that's the one that's out of date) and scroll down to the bottom of the page where it says "Upload a new version of this file". We can get to that later. Last comments - you've got a lot you'd like to add to Washington College. Just remember that for information like that (especially stuff that could be considered by anyone to be promotional) you need sources. Independent sources (not the college) would be better, but I can understand if that a little hard for some of the information. As for your big projects....yeah, those will probably be pretty far off. Just remember to BRD (be bold, revert, discuss). Roughly that means to make the edits that you think will improve the encyclopedia, but if you get undone don't fight and discuss it on the article's talk page. You're probably going to be wrong a lot at first, but don't worry - so was everyone else. WP can be incredibly complicated to the naked eye, by sometimes there's some rhyme to the madness. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 19:45, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
The complexities of Wiki are why it was dropped in my younger and supposedly "more capable" lap. I took your advice and made a declaration on my user page. Some could see the updating as a COI, but I am genuinely interested in the history of Washington College (which stretches back to 1782) because I'm also an alumna. (A "previous experiences" anecdote, if you will. Before I had an account, I once corrected a Wiki entry on Michael Douglas because I was just randomly searching to see if he was dead, and the Wiki stated he was, but there were no articles about it out there and I was like OMG THAT IS HORRIBLE. Now I totally wish I'd had an account when I did that.) I am having some trouble in thinking of something I'm interested in and qualified to make changes on. If you have any ideas of how I can think of that, please let me know. I think probably until today I took for granted how much work goes in to making this site all that it is. I've probably been relying on information since high school (when citing Wiki in papers was highly illegal). Until I'm confirmed, I will start gathering resources for the other steps, including lots of outside sources when possible. My next question: My coworkers seem to think that Wiki should be treated like social media and constantly updated with new and interesting things that are happening on campus (for example, different speakers who are coming, different honorary degrees being handed out, etc.) -- How can I convince them that while I, the person who generally handles social media, am happy to take on this project, updating the Washington College Wiki isn't going to be as frequent as Tweeting or Facebook posting? How can I make them understand that Wikipedia is a community project, not a place for us to build a second web presence? Thank you again for your help today. I'm feeling a little less paranoid/stressed about navigating this road. Lbergman2 (talk) 20:46, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
"How can I convince them that while I, the person who generally handles social media, am happy to take on this project, updating the Washington College Wiki isn't going to be as frequent as Tweeting or Facebook posting? How can I make them understand that Wikipedia is a community project, not a place for us to build a second web presence?" You seriously have no idea how happy you just made me. You have grasped in days a concept that editors have wasted hundreds and thousands of man-hours trying to explain to various good-faith newbies, hardcore spammers and flat-out trolls. The problem is that there's not really a simple answer, other then "we say so". Of course, you can always point out that if the old Encyclopædia Britannicas were edited and published twice a month with that kind of info no one would take them seriously. Why should an online encyclopedia be different? Yes, you can edit it constantly, but that doesn't mean you should; accuracy (and more importantly, credibility) comes at a price, and part of that price is detail.
One of the things you'll learn if you stay for any amount of time around here is that no one is really qualified at anything. One of our biggest problems is our inability to retain experts (see WP:Randy in Boise and User:Jnc/Astronomer vs Amateur for interesting essays on that) so it ends up that many of the internets's most high profile articles are maintained by college students with too much time on their hands (*grins*). You've got a degree? Better then I can say. However, if you're looking for a really easy job to get your feet wet, and teach yourself that yes, you really can edit here, just search for common misspelled words (altough, throught, etc.) and fix them. Eventually you'll move on to adding a section header here, a copyedit there, and even a line or two of prose!
Last tip, which you may have already figured out. At the top of every page is a star (to the right of the edit button). Clicking that star adds the page to your watchlist, which you can find in a link (My Watchlist) just to the left of the log out button. Once a page is on your watchlist, the latest edit to it will be automatically displayed for you - an easy way to keep track of pages you want to keep track of. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 22:00, 22 February 2012 (UTC)
At the risk of sounding redundant, thank you again for all of your help. It turns out there is a student on campus who has been very active in the Wiki community before coming to WC (he's actually the one who recommended I get adopted on my Talk page), and I'm going to pick his brain some in person next week. You've given me a lot to think about with your last reply, and I plan to look into it seriously tomorrow morning when I'm more coherent and can find my glasses. I do have to say--I am grateful for the college students with too much time on their hands and the people who are interested enough in subjects that I may be only mildly curious about and the folks who make sure that trolls can't troll and everyone who makes this site possible--especially now that I am aware of how many people it takes and how serious the back end is. I'm sure I will be in touch with more questions soon! Lbergman2 (talk) 02:06, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
Ahh, good. Having someone with you is much easier...still, my talk page is always open :) Cheers, Nolelover Talk·Contribs 15:14, 24 February 2012 (UTC)
That was a rush! I uploaded a picture and updated the school's logo. And then I did some of the minor edits in spelling you suggested just to start getting accustomed to looking at Wiki code. I will probably set aside some time a few days a week to work on Wikipedia (not just the WC page). Hopefully I continue to get the hang of things! Lbergman2 (talk) 16:44, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Yup...just getting used to seeing all the code, and recognizing a reference here, or italic text there, etc. Good practice. Now, let's see... the first time I tried to upload a newer version of a photo I completely screwed it up...I somehow compressed it, and made it all pixel-y. FWIW, that was about two weeks ago, so you're already more knowledgeable than I am in that area. Heh. You're doing fine, Nolelover Talk·Contribs 20:33, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

Lincoln University School of Law

Thank you for your comment. The answer to your question is as follows: At the present time, of course, there is no relationship between the Lincoln University School of Law and the Lincoln University of Missouri, because the law school ceased to exist in 1955. When the law school was created by the Missouri legislature in 1938, it was a part of, or affiliated with, Lincoln University of Missouri, which had been in existence since a few years after the Civil War in the 1860's. Former Civil War soldiers, African Americans, set up the university in Jefferson City, so it became a predominantly Black school. Fast forward to the 1930's, and a Mr. Gaines, who was Black and a graduate of Lincoln University of Missouri with a Bachelor's Degree, tries to get admitted to a "White" law school in Missouri and they won't accept him because he's Black. He files a lawsuit and several years later, the lawsuit gets to the U.S. Supreme Court and that court rules in favor of Gaines. Of course, back in the 1930's, Blacks in the South (Missouri was considered a part of the South) were subject to b blatant discrimination. The State of Missouri had just lost the lawsuit at the U.S. Supreme Court and they HAD to comply with the decision to let Gaines into a White law school or create one for Blacks. So the State of Missouri created the Lincoln University School of Law for Black individuals and made it a part of Lincoln University of Missouri because the university was a historically Black school and this new law school was created for Blacks. Get the logic? They placed the law school in St. Louis and not on the main campus of Lincoln University of Missouri in Jefferson City because St. Louis was a metropolitan area with many lawyers and it felt that would benefit the law students. So, the answer to your question is that legally, the Lincoln University School of Law was a part of Lincoln University of Missouri, but functionally they were separate. Sorry for being so long-winded, but if you ask a lawyer a question like that, you most likely will get a long-winded answer. If you have any other questions feel free to ask. Slidhome (talk) 15:05, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Excellent...I appreciate the detail. :) I'll move the page in just a minute. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 15:36, 23 February 2012 (UTC)


Not a problem.  And, thanks, I was looking for this:  Working :- ) DCS 16:15, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Deletion review for Noelashman

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Noelashman. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. BroodwhichBroodwhich (talk) 22:15, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the note :) Nolelover Talk·Contribs 22:24, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Sam Hanna Bell

Thanks Nolelover for accepting the Sam Hanna Bell article. MarcMarcos182 (talk) 23:17, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

And thank you for submitting it :) Nolelover Talk·Contribs 23:21, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

Teahouse updates

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Hall Caine's The Master of Man

I saw that you redirected away from the page created for The Master of Man to a section on Hall Caine's main page. I see that you would have done this as the page was only a few lines and then a long description of the novel used in contemporaty adverts. But even though it is a quote, it is still a good description of the book and much better/more detailed than the one line in the redirect you gave back to Hall Caine's main page... I'm not going to undo your change, but I just felt it was a shame to cover over the article which, even though not in an ideal form, was still adding to the knowledge on Wikipedia... Jamesfranklingresham (talk) 22:50, 24 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, if you want to expand the article, go ahead. :) However, with no sources, and most of the content coming from the book itself, that article would likely be deleted sooner or later. Remember that all articles must be supported by reliable, independent sources, but if you can find some you are more then welcome to undo me. I do appreciate you leaving me this note though. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 00:03, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Sources indepent of the book itself, to describe the plot?... I see your point about it's not being ideal as it is though. I'm due to put some more work on some time soon. Thanks. Jamesfranklingresham (talk) 12:44, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
Independent yes, but not just about the plot. You want to prove that the book is notable, so if you can find any reviews, etc., those would help a lot. See WP:NBOOK#Criteria for a rough idea of what you're going for. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 14:07, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Serious case of Vandalism

Hi Nolelover, There has been a serious case of vandalism on Kanti Bajpai page by User talk: He deleted everything and replaced it with a single line 'He's a cool dude!'. I notice from his talk page that he has a track record for serious vandalism on Doon School (& related pages). Can a strict action be taken against him? I urge you to act seriously on this. Many thanks! Merlaysamuel (talk) 08:37, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, I can only report him to admins (I'm not an admin so I can't block), but it looks like that address has been blocked for six months so you shouldn't have to worry about it. :P Also, just so you know, most school address have very long talk pages full of warnings, so unfortunately it's not uncommon. :( Nolelover Talk·Contribs 13:49, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

The Doon School

  • Dear, see "So many of Rajiv Gandhi’s ministers were from the school that he was said to preside over a “Doon cabinet”. With ex-Dosco Aroon Purie then the editor of India Today, the Dosco joke went: “Rajiv and Aroon run India today, haw, haw, haw!”, reference 7,Telegraph,line Thanks.Justice007 (talk) 20:56, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

  • I have not checked article completely,may be there are more this kind of passages? May be later I check.Sorry forgot to sign.Justice007 (talk) 20:56, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
    • Yup, you're right. That's definitely too close. Unfortunately, I have already found a couple sentences that were directly copied from sources, and I removed them a few days ago. Do keep an eye out for more. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 21:08, 25 February 2012 (UTC)
  • All that I have learnt from you,you are great.Thanks.Justice007 (talk) 21:24, 25 February 2012 (UTC)

9 by 7

You made my day [3]. Now what did I ask? -DePiep (talk)

I'm really sorry, but today I'm extremely dense...what are we talking about here? Nolelover Talk·Contribs 22:20, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
Your cooling reply, and the linked page WP:VRS were outright enlightening. I recognised your reference to HHGG (or so I thought you did). The WP:VRS page title is a quote from that book, the answer is "42", and it took computer Deep Thought 7,5 million years to compute it, by which time the question was forgotten. Maybe thequestion was: how much is 9 by 7? -DePiep (talk) 09:53, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Ahh, well...I ashamed to admit that although I know the rough background, the Guide is still on my list of books to read. =/ Wait a minute...ok, really stupid question here, but what does VRS stand that another HGG reference?
No, exactly that I did not know. I recognised the full page title, and then discovered that also WP:42 existed. Actually, some years ago Google had this feature: if one entered a calculation {"12:4"), it gave the regular hits and also the math outcome ("3") in an extra top row. In the same way, when one searched for "answer universe life everything", Google presented "42" in that same math top-row style. Those were the days. The math feature has now disappeared, and regular hits are now into this wikipedia. (As for WP:VRS Not much from its history [4]). -DePiep (talk) 15:42, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Yup, I remember those...I knew the ultimate question and answer long before I had ever heard of D. Adams, and unfortunately that's probably the case for most of my friends...good books don't get around anymore. :( Nolelover Talk·Contribs 17:47, 27 February 2012 (UTC)


hey nolelover you have mail on walter55024s talk page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Walter55024 (talkcontribs) 14:07, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

British Lingua (Institution)

  • Created by me,for clean-up.Thanks.Justice007 (talk) 18:40, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
    • Goodness, now you're creating articles too? Hehe, it looks fine...a little bit advertish, so I removed one phrase, but good job! It really helps to have editors knowledgeable in that area who also know policy. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 22:19, 26 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Good copyedit,I am learning many things from you.Thanks for assistance.Justice007 (talk) 22:30, 26 February 2012 (UTC)

The Teahouse is Open!

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Indus Creations

Hello Nole, Thank you for your response to my email. You directed me to communicate thru this page

Here is what I wrote in the email to you about:

Hi there Thank you for your contributions and edits I write on behalf of the Indus Creations group. As a founding member of this group I have been with this theater group for over 6 years.

We have been trying to get a basic page up on Wiki, but having so much trouble in getting it right :( We added the requested references..but still it was still not accepted. Any chance you can guide me with what exactly I need to do here to get this going? -- sorry, seriously missing the ask :)


Kindly suggest a way for us to move forward. Your help is much appreciated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Govenkat (talkcontribs) 02:46, February 28, 2012‎

Yes, this is a much better place to hold a conversation. Now, I had to blank the submission because it had been copied (maybe from here). You've got some good sources (like I said, the MSN India ones are really good), but you must write everything in your own words. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 14:49, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

2/28/2011 -11:55 PM Hello Nole, Thank you again for your inputs. I have updated the page with original text that describes our group. Much appreciate your review. Thanks.. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Govenkat (talkcontribs) 07:56, 29 February 2012 (UTC)

Auslogics BoostSpeed article

I've added something after your response to my request on the Help Desk page, but I'm not sure if I had to somehow let you know there is something there. Could you please take a look at it? Thank you! TaraSwimms (talk) 10:49, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I probably would have missed it, so thanks for the note :) Will respond there in just a second. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 14:27, 28 February 2012 (UTC)

Rosaria Piomelli‎

  • Hi mentor,I have created a new page Rosaria Piomelli‎.Please check and clean-up.Thanks.Justice007 (talk) 21:05, 28 February 2012 (UTC)
    • Looks good, although you are probably going to need more sources. Nolelover Talk·Contribs 01:28, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Yes,will try and lot of thanks for checking and clean-up.Justice007 (talk) 06:01, 29 February 2012 (UTC)