User talk:NordNordWest

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... and thank you very much for your new svg locator maps, much appreciated! - Darwinek (talk) 17:35, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Nice to hear. And more to come! --NNW (talk) 09:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Svg maps

Hi your maps look great especially Greenland, However could you try to use a different colour for the neighboring countries, the grey scale looks quite bland. Could you use similar colors as in this image here? Your map would be perfect if it combined the color in the above. Oh I have a request, can you create one for Argentina, we are stuck with the awful Image:Argentina-locator.png? Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 22:21, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Hello! The map of Croatia is part of a trans-wiki project of the French and the German map labs to create all location maps as SVG in a consistent style unique for Wikipedia i.e. no CIA or UN style. It was discussed at Commons which colours should be used and as there is no English map lab (unfortunately!) only few other users beyond fr: and de: took part in it. So in the end it has not been my decision about the used colours.

The maps have to meet quite a lot demands: they are used in info boxes where their colours should not be to dominant as they don't have to be an eye-catcher. Everything else is more important. On the other hand they are used with multi-colour map pointers so it is important to use as few colours as possible to allow even a complex thematic demonstration. In the end (but one of the most important items) we decided that these maps have to be easily used even by colour blinds, about every tenth male user, so that red and green should not be used. This of course led to a style which isn't quite nice but useful and this is the only purpose of location maps. For this and that there is no accounting for tastes [1] it becomes difficult for me to discuss the colours. Btw they are not my favourite colours, either.

Unfortunately English Wikipedia is one of the most colourful ones so the difference between old and new maps is quite noticeable but about 30 projects are using these new map style without problems. I know that en: is used to a different style but be sure I had this discussion in quite a lot projects and in the end everyone understood why we came to this decision about the colours although it always started with "ugly" and "unusual". They all agreed that it is necessary to make a compromise for a consistent appearance. Perhaps you should start a discussion about it in en: as you seem to be quite known to a lot of users and you are interested in location maps. If en: decides to use a different way we can discuss again. I must underline "discuss" because I am not interested in reverts like this without any comment. It would have been easy to keep at least the interwiki links even if you don't like the colours. This is definitely not the way I deal in Wikipedia. Neither you nor me are pubescent trolling teenagers so it should be possible to find an acceptable handling for both of us.

In the end as I said above this is a project to create maps of all countries and all important subdivisions. So also Argentina will get a new map (in the "greyish" style of course ;-) ). The status of already made maps can be seen here at de: or at Commons.

Greetings, --NNW (talk) 12:26, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Tea green
— Color coordinates —
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RGBB	(r, g, b)	(208, 240, 192)
HSV	(h, s, v)	(100°, 19%, 94%)
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B: Normalized to [0–255] (byte)

Yes the thing is I think the maps are of a very good quality its more the grey that I was concerned with which is not very reflective of land and after being used to the CIA maps seems very different. I'd rather see a pale green used and don't think it would make too much extra effort to produce two types of your svg maps one with the grey and one with a pale green colour to give wikipedias the choice. Given that the maps will affect hundreds of thousands of articles across all the wikipedias I think it should be a decision made by more than just a few on German and French wikipedia. I don't think a very pale green grey such as #d0f0c0 which is used as an example on the right would be problematic for color blinds and would take away the graphite looking appearance they have at present. It just looks unusual to see the land mass against the sea in grey thats all. Blofeld of SPECTRE (talk) 18:23, 23 October 2008 (UTC)

Well, I think I can be glad that I didn't upload a version in orange. Now you want it green. ;-)

• a decision made by more than just a few on German and French WP: You will agree that it is impossible to have a cross-wiki poll. So my French collegues invited everybody who is interested in this topic – and only few came. In the end there was only one possibility to come to an end: that few had to decide. On the other hand it's kind of fair, too, cos they have the knowledge about mapmaking and they are the users who have all the work (and the discussions). Again Wikipedia isn't a democracy, either. Unfortunately you didn't seem to find the link to the former discussion but I cannot help it now, I'm sorry.
• With you suggesting green instead of grey the decision will even be made be less users. It's just you in contrast to the dozen some months ago.
• If I made another version just for you I will have a problem with the doubtlessly coming next user who wants his special version e.g. in orange, purple, brown... It's about creating all countries (ca. 200) and subdivisions (don't know how much it will be). So 200 plus x is the multiplier I have to have in mind while discussing. And every correction and updating will multiply with this, too. So it will be definitely quite an extra effort for us. If there is a consensus in a big Wikipedia about a different style we can discuss this but as long as is just a wish/opinion of a single user I really fear discussions without an end before we are able to finish the original series.
• Right now the new style is appreciated in lots of projects (although they used the CIA maps, too!). It's not only the French and German Wikipedia. Although they all weren't taking part in the style discussions before the maps are strongly supported by a bureaucrat in the Russian project and there is the first map in this style made by a Polish user. The graphite style fits perfectly to the grey infoboxes in Dutch Wikipedia so there are no complaints from there. Since I have stopped to insert these maps in English Wikipedia other users have adopted it here. Because of this I am not convinced that this style isn't wanted here at all. But again: if there is a wish for another colouring supported by more than just one user it may be made. Until then I prefer to spend my time on other work. I ask for your understanding for this.
• Btw this green is a problem for people with Tritanopia. For them it's too similar to the blue of the waterbodies. --NNW (talk) 09:38, 24 October 2008 (UTC)

Some further points to notice:

• a decision made by more than just a few on German and French WP and English: it is also to notice that the users who talked about this issue were, without doubt, THE BEST (active) MAP MAKERS available which I contacted myself, the most famous being Sting, NNW, Sémhur, MapMaster, but also myself. Most come from successful Maps labs, the sole place were users already had such talks, and the according experience in the several need field such as : need of international compromise style, need of clear display, need of standardized conventions. need of conventional projections, need of svg (share and edit friendly), need to be color blind friendly.
• CIA style, catch eyes colors, and please avoid chartjunk issues : the current orange style is : 1. based on the CIA style and have been attacked for this, the CIA have an highly controversial history, and their map need are not necessary our. 2. this style was extended in 2005 by User:Planemad, leader of the Indian map project. In short : this CIA-extended style is a proposal by one man alone, never openly discussed. When contacted [by myself] to join the open talk for new inter-wiki map conventions, Planemad noticed his wikibreak and encouraged to set up new and global conventions, noticing his work as unaccomplish, and encouraging talks and compromise. However, his CIA-extended style [who was forgave from 2005 to 2007], was then validaded (but not critiqued) by 3 good english map makers and then encouraged localy, on the en-wiki, and mainly use in the historical field, despite his father [unknow (!)] advice to discusse again all the set.

For me, despite some local reactions on wiki-en, it stay clear that these 'experts' massively agreed that we needed new wiki-web conventions, independant from the CIA style. Further talks have supported the grey-blue style to be set a the new interwiki standard for location maps.

Yug (talk) 14:20, 30 December 2008 (UTC) (ancient leader of the French Graphic lab)

Kalmar map

Hello. I'm sorry if you didn't like the version I uploaded; just revert it. But in general, aren't separate map captions sufficient? - SSJ ☎ 12:11, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

I'm sorry for answering this late, I just didn't recognize your posting somehow. You are right that there are maps in which a desciption isn't needed but this map is the result of a request in German map lab and description as a part of the map has been wanted by that guy. So in this case it's better to keep the text. That's why another user just reverted your upload. Regards, --NNW (talk) 11:17, 9 December 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Germany general map

An image created by you has been promoted to featured picture status Your image, File:Germany general map.png, was nominated on Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate an image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Thank you for your contribution! MER-C 02:33, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Nunavut map

That map would be good. I see though that none of us seem to know how to get the coordinates. And the discussion seems to be spread out over several talk pages. Enter CambridgeBayWeather, waits for audience applause, not a sausage 16:45, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of German map templates

Hi, I see these have been very speedily deleted! I have no issue with that provided the articles that used them now point to the alternative template. Has anyone checked that or will they now just show a missing template? --Bermicourt (talk) 17:27, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

No it was early days and I remember thinking "I'll just copy this template over and the map will appear" and then it needed another template... and another... and I seem to remember it was a bit of a nightmare! But you live and learn! Gruß. --Bermicourt (talk) 19:02, 7 May 2009 (UTC)

El Salvador

Looks great! I especially like the Chile one! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 08:08, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Nice to hear. NNW (talk) 16:43, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Re: Poskarte Nordirland

Muchas gracias! --Soccer-holic^{I hear voices in my head...} 20:28, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

Barnstar

You're quite welcome, the barnstar has been a long time coming. I know just how much work you also do on district/municipal maps of Germany and your workload so.. The Brazil map was the one map I've been anticipating for a while, I've added it to the top 10 cities in Brazil already. Thanks! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 16:56, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Armenia map

Dear NordNordWest, The map is simply beautiful... Many many thanks for a great work. Best, Serouj (talk) 17:20, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Armenia too as well as Yeme? You are one frickinnnnng awesome cartographer. I've replied on my talk page!! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 20:30, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

New BC location map

Re Template:Location map Canada British Columbia/doc, I haven't looked yet to see if the projection is right, but it does look different from the previous version's projection.....so I'll try it out on various locations and see if the push-pin comes out right (as they didn't on some maps that people had tried to use). My main objection is the use of regional district boundaries, which is WP:Undue weight on only one of several ways of subdividing British Columbia; if anything RDs are only relevant to incorporated communities, and not to anything else (parks, mountains, ghost towns, IRs etc). If you could upload a new version of this map without the RD boundaries shown, that would be great; it's high time Wikipedia stopped creating classification systems instead of observing existing ones; as noted there are many in BC, the primary one being Land Districts but they're largely useless and nobody thinks in terms of them except the sources (BCGNIS and CGNDB). IMO there should be two versions of this map, one terrain-based, for use with mountain, river, island, lae articles etc, and the other one showing the main highway grid, which is the usual way British Columbians think in terms of the provincial map; the RD boundaries are useless and obscure and only applicable to the limited powers of the RDs, which do not include such items as Indian Reserves, provincial parks etc. Note e.g. List of Forest Regions and Forest Districts of British Columbia for yet other boundaries that are equally and actually more important than RD boundaries.....Skookum1 (talk) 13:53, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

further reply on my talkpage thx.Skookum1 (talk) 14:54, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Canadian maps

I know that I and a number of the Canadian project members have been desperate to get hold of decent svgs for the Canadian provinces since day 1. Especially Nunavaut!!! Look forward to seeing the new maps! Ah, actually I know Dr. Blofeld had problems with Skookum before with British Columbia. Go ahead NNW and create the others, shouldn't be any problems, these maps are greatly needed, the ones we have at present are just awful. Himalayan 14:53, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Just checked, the maps as can be expected are awesome! Most of the Canadian project will be grateful I'm certain. We need one for Nunavut though more than anything!!! Himalayan 14:57, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

"Problems with Skookum1 before".....I am in the room, you know. What problems? My explaining t he particular needs of maps re BC to people unfamiliar with the subject matter is a problem? Mind your manners.Skookum1 (talk) 14:58, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

PS I don't even recognize your name as a regular in the Canadian WikiProject, so speaking for the group seems a bit odd, also.....Skookum1 (talk) 14:58, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I just asked him because I often met him in discussions about location maps, not because Canada. Thank you both of you! NNW (talk) 15:02, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

If "Baldy Blofeld" is the same as Dr. Blofeld, I can't have had too many problems with him; see this Smiley that Baldy Blofeld gave me.Skookum1 (talk) 15:04, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I vaguely recall you yelling at him after this, even though he didn't change the coordinates, only the map graphic.... Anyway you must be a cool guy as you have the same hairstyle as me! Plus he has the same awesome taste in classical music as I do! Best regards to all. Himalayan 15:06, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't know anything about the relationships of en-users (de:WP is complicated enough) but I hope you will come to a good end. :-) NNW (talk) 15:10, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Nah, it was just a little misunderstanding over the bad old map. It was inaccurate and way offline. I think the new map is miles better. Himalayan 15:19, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

That I used bold instead of italics for (strong) emphasis is not "yelling".Skookum1 (talk) 15:26, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

There are about 6686 pages in the BC Settlements hierarchy - many of them not settlements, but most with a location. They could all have maps if thier infoboxen supported them. Rich Farmbrough, 16:14, 27 August 2009 (UTC). 16:14, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Some of them are localities and other designations used by BCGNIS, and were given the unincorporated settlements category and the like for lack of anything more suitably named; and as noted elsewhere in this discussion, towns which existed and vanished/dwindled before regional districts were created should not have maps that show the regional district; if subdivisions are needed, then the Land Districts should be used, since they go back to the foundation of the colony and are permanent (which regional districts are not) and are also used by the primary sources (BCGNIS and CGNDB). Somewhere a while ago I proposed Category:Uninhabited localities in British Columbia, for instance (and others) but nobody "bit"....even "inhabited locality" is a different thing than a settlement; individual ranches have been given the unincorporated settlements for instnace, and should just maybe have "ranches in BC" as a category or at least "ranching settlements"...the inference being a household or two and an itinerant workforce, not a "settlement" in the usual sense of that word. Note also that BCGNIS has "abandoned village" and the like for native village sites (which again, have nothing to do with RDs, see below).Skookum1 (talk) 21:11, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Many many are people, because we habitually include eponymous categories - so metropolitan areas has Greater Vancouver as a subcategory. I have been thinking for some time we really need to distinguish between categories that are members and those that are real subcats. Rich Farmbrough, 03:04, 28 August 2009 (UTC).

Mmm, looks like a lot of cleanup will be needed on Canada. Slave Lake, Alberta for instance uses the dot maps. They will all need standardising. Nunavut uses the same system sigh... Himalayan 16:26, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

But Slave Lake doesn't use the Template:Location map, either. It's your decision if you want to make it. The infoboxes at nl:WP e.g. completely work automatically with templates. NNW (talk) 18:00, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

On a side note, the regional district boundaries need revision; there's been a major change in the northern boundary of Kitimat-Stikine, which now includes Dease Lake, which had previously beein in Stikine Region; I've been unable to find online documentation as to the shape of the new boundary, though the BCGNIS records for Dease Lake and I think the RDKS note the change.Skookum1 (talk) 21:05, 27 August 2009 (UTC)

Done, as good as possible right now. NNW (talk) 08:17, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Just had a look. Is that your own conjecture or did you find a govt source for the shape of the boundary? If the latter, it's interesting to me they left the "Bear Lake Panhandle" in Stikine Region, and also the Skeena headwaters; what that means is that the RD is "cut out of the loop" on planing for the area, which is controlled by the Ministry of Energy, Mines adn Petroleum Resources (re mines planned in the area, also a coalbed methane project). Until I saw your update here I was going to write the Ministry of Municipal Affairs to see if they could provide a new boundary description; perhaps you've already found that.Skookum1 (talk) 14:31, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Please do that. I just found a small map at the Kitimat-Stikine website. For a first correction around Dease Lake it has been okay but there might be more (and especially more accurate). NNW (talk) 15:03, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

NNW do you know how to use Image:Canada British Columbia (no subdivisions) location map.svg in the mountain infobox like Image:Canada British Columbia location map.svg? I tried replacing the regional district map with the more proper non-regional district map on the Ash Mountain article but it did not seem to work. BT (talk) 05:05, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Aleza_Lake,_British_Columbia is the first. I'm starting with those that have empty dot parameters and no pushpin. The danger is replacing a better, more local or more apropriate map with this one. Rich Farmbrough, 21:12, 27 August 2009 (UTC).

The infobox uses the template. So there are two ways to use the map without districts:

• You can exchange the map in the template. Following Skookum1 districts are more or less meaningless in BC. This means that in no infobox district boundaries are shown. This is the easier way and there seems to be a consensus about not showing the districts at en:WP.
• You insert a line "alternative map=" in the infobox template (like in Template:Location map). This allows to choose a different map than the standard one in the Template:Location map. Both maps have to have the same extent otherwise it won't work but both Image:Canada British Columbia location map.svg and Image:Canada British Columbia (no subdivisions) location map.svg have the same so this is no problem. I'm not used in programming you have to ask someone who is. NNW (talk) 07:08, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

Consider Tofino, British Columbia, the map is very different from the one we would replace with. Rich Farmbrough, 01:45, 29 August 2009 (UTC).

Tofino isn't using the Template:Location map Canada BC so nothing will be changed there if the map in the template is replaced. NNW (talk) 09:28, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

Egypt Map

Dear NNW, My name is Udi and I'm on the Hebrew wiki. I have troubles with the maps of the Governorates of Egypt. in april 2008 two new governorates were created in egypt. the maps that we have in wikipedia, to my opinion, are not showing the right new borders of some of the governorates. one of our users, hagay adler, wrote that your map is correct. it is not clear for me weather you took in account the new governorates in the map. can you clearify it please. here is a link to an article about the change.Tushyk (talk) 19:16, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

Hello, I know about the changes in Egypt, another user told me this last November. Unfortunately I still haven't found a map where I can see the new boundaries. First laws concerning these new governorates were changed afterwards. As long as I cannot get such a map with correct boundaries it is impossible for me to correct the location map. NNW (talk) 08:25, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I updated the best I could. A map I found didn't have the quality I was looking for but I think it is sufficient for this location map. NNW (talk) 10:50, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I start to fill commons:Category:SVG maps of governorates of Egypt. NNW (talk) 11:43, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, You did a great work. Is there a general map of all the governorates? In the last few days i tried to invastigate this issue, and i find your maps fit to the conclussion that i have reached about the borders.Tushyk (talk) 20:04, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

I found the general map.80.179.112.106 (talk) 20:38, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Ethiopia map

Many thanks! Looks great! Llwyrch will be very pleased I'm sure. Thanks also for doing a new Georgian map and better Egyptian svg province locators, I added them yesterday! Thanks! Himalayan 19:52, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

Invitation

Hello, NordNordWest and thank you for your contributions on Hamburg-related articles. The Hamburg task force, of the WikiProject Germany, is a group designed to build a comprehensive and detailed guide about everything related to the Free and Hanseatic City of Hamburg on the English Wikipedia. If you'd like to join, help out and participate, go to the project page and add your name under "participants".

Thanks! Sebastian scha. (talk) 20:25, 14 October 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the invitation but I think drawing maps will take most of my WP-time. :-) NNW (talk) 08:57, 15 October 2009 (UTC)

No problem, your great maps are truly awesome. Thanks and cheers. Sebastian scha. (talk) 09:21, 15 October 2009 (UTC) 

Colombia map

The coordinates you added were way out. Trust me I was adding infoboxes yesterday and Cartago was in the middle of the Caribbean and a city in eastern Colombia was showing in the middle of Venezuela... Himalayan 18:04, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

It's still wrong because Cartagena, Colombia is supposed to be on the coast. I think there is a problem with the actual map... Himalayan 18:06, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Tibet location map

Thankyou!! That's my Christmas present from the Nordster. Thanks mate! Aw if you are going to consider drawing a historical map of Tibet you'd likely spend several years arguing with people where the borders are. Not even I the Tibetologist know exactly what the frontiers were although I have a rough idea of the territory it included in Qinghai and Sichuan today. Cheers and Merry Christmas!! Dr. Blofeld ^{White cat} 20:58, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

Pune locator map

i wish to know how do we create a city area locator map. I tried doing it with inkscape but it was quite difficult, especially drawing roads. i wish to create a Pune Area locator . thnx Nirvanareborn 05:06, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

thnx a lot...Nirvanareborn 10:03, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Spelling

I found your name on File:Mountain passes of Afghanistan2.png, used in an article currently linked from the Main Page, so perhaps you can easily correct the spelling. "Usbekistan" and "Tadschikistan" are German spellings, or at least that's how the German Wikipedia articles are spelled. But on English Wikipedia, they should ideally be "Uzbekistan" and "Tajikistan". Art LaPella (talk) 06:21, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Hello! It's a derivate work of File:Mountain passes of Afghanistan.png I made for German WP, so the names are German of course. It has not been planned for a use in en:WP. For this there has to be made a third version. NNW (talk) 12:53, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

Re: File:South Africa location map.svg

Thanks for your reply. I suspected it must be something like that, because the WDBII data itself is really not very accurate in that respect. Cheers, htonl (talk) 12:30, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Template:Location map Karachi

Hello, would it be possible to add the co-ordinates to Template:Location map Karachi?

Thanks. --AnonyLog (talk) 16:20, 18 October 2010 (UTC)

bling

In gratitude for this map used in Taiwanese aborigines, I hereby award this Graphic Designer's Barnstar to NordNordWest. • Ling.Nut 09:05, 20 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you very much! But I just made the base map, the thematic part is by User:Jappalang. Best regards, NNW (talk) 19:53, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

NNW account

• Answer: User_talk:Yug#User:NNW

Hello NNW ! Yes, I created it. You want this account ? Yug (talk) 13:28, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Location map: Kingdom of Hungary

"There's ane end of an old tune", was what was said signing the act Scots-English Act of Union 1707. It seems that there is no end to this tune about this map.

I have marked an image copyvio on WikiMedia Commons since an IP marked it as copyvio on EN:WP. I don't want to be overly pedantic with this but copyvios are taken quite seriously, so marked it as such. I should be glad of your help.

I have informed the original author, who I know uploaded it in good faith and I am not sure whether it is copyvio or not, so I undid the edit so that others could see and decide. I realise that is a bit of a copyvio myself, if it turns out it is (and the edit summmary was very clear to say where and when it was published, in 2002, under copyright). I did apologiuse a little to the uploader for taking BOLD and removing it, but also I know (as I said to him) that copyvios are taken very strictly, and seeing one, or rather the suggestion of one, I am no deletionist but I had to do it, though it pains me, because this editor has done a lot of good work making these articles better, with lots of research to make it so, so it pains me to have to mark it copyvio but I have to, if someone claims it to be so.

I should appreciate your views.

Si Trew (talk) 08:29, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

The user talk is here: User_talk:Fz22#Copyvio. I should have said that, I was assuming that you would trace it back through the logs etc, but far easier just to say it. I really am AGF, more than that, know GF not have to A it, if it is a copyvio it has to go, but I also thanked this editore very much for improving very much the Hungarian articles, with no side or bias, so it kinda disdains me to have to mark it as copyvio if it is, since Fz has improved many good articles about Hungary on the Q.T. without any recognition, which I duly give now. Made many articles a lot better, so it kinda disdains me to have to mark it as copyvio, but I have to, dem!s de rules. Si Trew (talk) 08:36, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

If it is a copyvio the file has to be deleted no matter if the uploader has done a good work by now or not. I don't have that book so I cannot help to answer the question if the DR is correct or not. NNW (talk) 17:10, 30 July 2011 (UTC)