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Welcome[edit]

Hello Northernhenge, welcome to Wikipedia, I hope you like the place and stay around. Thank you for your contribution on Ninekirks. You may have noticed that I deleted an earlier version of the article. This was done because you created an outline of headings, but no actual content. Now that you have recreated the article with content under the headings, it looks to be a very nice addition to the project. You might want to consider creating a sandbox as a subpage so that you can work up articles until they are ready and then create the article. This would prevent future deletions of articles in an incomplete state. Once again , Welcome to Wikipedia and thank you for contributions. Dsmdgold (talk) 05:15, 25 December 2007 (UTC)

Greetings[edit]

Greetings from the top end of the Eden Valley John Hamilton (OldFaw) (talk) 00:22, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

And thanks for spotting - and removing - a pathetically stupid alteration to the name of the beck at the head of the Eden!! John Hamilton (talk) 17:36, 16 September 2009 (UTC)

An odd page to pick for his/her first contribution!?! --Northernhenge (talk) 17:57, 17 September 2009 (UTC)

Database entry[edit]

Hi there. I'm responding to what you wrote on my user page about the database entry: that it's too much about success in the marketplace. Thanks. I agree! There's also a very unencyclopedic section about database brands. There's some discussion of it already--"unencyclopedic bits"--that you might want to comment on as well there. I'm afraid Wikipedia is becoming like the yellow pages that people are using for self-promotion. --Girl2k (talk) 15:33, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Disambiguation[edit]

Thanks for your contributions to Carnival (disambiguation)! I just wanted to let you know that, according to standard Wikipedia format, "Each bulleted entry should, in almost every case, have exactly one navigable (blue) link; including more than one link can confuse the reader." (See Wikipedia:Disambiguation#Disambiguation pages.) This applies even when the item has no article of its own - I find those to be the trickiest cases (I sometimes link to both the album and the artist for a song with no article), but generally there should be one link. Even if there are multiple relevant articles, they're most likely linked in the main item's article. These guidelines are often difficult to find, so I thought I'd point this one out for the future. MagnesianPhoenix (talk) 22:12, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Yes, I was wondering about that. I should probably have created a page for The Carnival Band, but I didn't get any further than thinking about it! --Northernhenge (talk) 07:38, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh, that's no problem, though it looks like you've done a whole lot of good writing just now. Until your article is finished, there's nothing wrong with linking to Maddy Prior and Giles Lewin. It's just things like "dark cabaret" and "marching band" that don't need links. MagnesianPhoenix (talk) 05:59, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Elsecar[edit]

Elsecar is just north of Sheffield. The fully rhotic areas of Yorkshire are only in the areas that border Lancashire, to the west of Halifax and Huddersfield.

The article mentions that there was partial rhoticity in East Yorkshire as well at one point; I think that this has died out now.

I would be surprised if there is any research to suggest that the Sheffield area is rhotic. I personally know that it is not, but then I know that subjective experience is no good for Wikipedia.

Thanks for your interest in the subject. Epa101 (talk) 19:53, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

P.S. I have added a bit more on the talk page for the subject. I altered the IPAs for Barugh and Derby as well, and have queried whether the notation of rhoticity throughout the article is consistent. Epa101 (talk) 10:34, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
Let's hope you get a response. I know what you mean about subjective evidence. I remember many years ago that older people in Southampton were strongly rhotic. When I visit now, I don't hear it much any more. --Northernhenge (talk) 07:52, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

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Pier Gerlofs Donia[edit]

Did you know (DYK) about Greate Pier? Last king of Frisia (talk) 08:54, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Carlisle's east window[edit]

Wow! Thank you very much for the pics. The point of using the flash is to trick the camera into thinking it has more light than it really has. That way, the colours of the stained glass don't get so bleached out. It depends on the day. Often the best time to photgraph glass is when it's overcast, but then, I'm talking Australia.... not the north of England. It does make a difference.

I have just spent 45 minutes trying to put those two pics into the appropriate Wiki commons categories. Will they go to (Cathedrals in England-Carlisle)? No they blinking well won't! They go to Norman churches in England, Uncategorised churches of Anywhere etc etc etc.... but not to the right place! It's always a bit of a problem when well-meaning people try to categorise English churches as Gothic or Norman.... yes, parts of it ARE Norman but not that bit! Someone seems to have stuffed up some of the cathedral categories, so I'll see if I can find someone with more Wiki-commons skills than I have to fix it!

Meanwhile, your lovely pics need to go ia the article! Amandajm (talk) 13:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for your kind comments. I did try to photograph the other things you asked for at Talk:Carlisle but my camera's not up to it. Thanks for categorising the pictures. I wasn't sure where to start! --Northernhenge (talk) 13:11, 31 October 2008 (UTC)

What speculation ?[edit]

Re: Arthur D. Nicholson -- Schatz's testimony made clear that no verbal warnings were given and no warning shots fired. The situation was not a battlefield; the Soviet soldier started firing and killed Nicholson. Hardly in "hot blood", so why is it a problem to describe the killing as cold-blooded ? In the future, please address such questions on the article's talk page before editing. I have no issue with revisions to the article but would certainly like to see your arguments for the change before it is made. --W. B. Wilson (talk) 19:37, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

Hello W.B.Wilson. The whole article makes the points you make very clear. It seems to me that cold (or hot) blood is a state of mind and although we can speculate on that, and inevitably come to the same conclusion that you did, it is just speculation. On matters of fact that I'm not sure about, I do go to the talk page first, but this wasn't in that category. I don't know whether or not it was in cold blood, but neither does anyone else. I hope that explains my reasoning. --Northernhenge (talk) 19:47, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
Northernhenge, this is my dilemma -- with no warning given, the sentry took deliberate aim. He attempted to hit Sergeant Schatz (the bullet passed by his head) and he struck Major Nicholson in the upper abdomen with a second (of three) bullets fired, at a range of some 75 meters. I have to say on the strength of my own experience firing military rifles, that is pretty damned good shooting and indicative of someone who was very much in control of himself while firing. Moreover, the shooter was not surprised by the presence of the Americans; he simply observed them from the cover of the forest, took up position, and opened fire. It is very hard for me to come to any conclusion other than that he shot in cold blood. I understand why in some articles that phrase would be NPOV but I honestly don't believe it applies in this case. Should we move this discussion to the article's talk page ? --W. B. Wilson (talk) 20:01, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
I think I've found a solution - put it back in and wikilink it to Premeditation. If that's OK with you, either I'll do it or you do it. Please let me know either way. --Northernhenge (talk) 23:43, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
That sounds good. Thank you for the suggestion. Edit has been made. --W. B. Wilson (talk) 04:45, 3 November 2008 (UTC)


BMTCi[edit]

Hi left you a message on the disscusion page regarding Penrith, Cumbria. -- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.42.26.220 (talk) 23:37, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Brougham Castle[edit]

Thanks for standardising the spelling in the article, I really should have picked up on that. It may be a long shot, but do you have any good images of the castle? The ones in the article lack a bit of oomph and don't cover all the features. Nev1 (talk) 18:07, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

And thanks for all the work you're doing on the article. No photos at present, but I can have a go. Today would have been good with the snow and the sun. --Northernhenge (talk) 23:22, 2 March 2010 (UTC)
I thought that this didn't really do the castle justice, so as I had access to a copy of the book I thought I'd have a go expanding it. I'd like to see it on the front page, but one step at a time: the article is a long way from finished and will require a thorough read through afterwards. There are a handful of images, but don't covert all aspects of the castle, for instance there isn't a good one of the keep or the Tower of League. Once the article reaches its full size it will become more obvious that better images are needed. I'm trying to think of a way of boosting the number of people visiting the article as it's usually quite low; this pretty much means shoving links to Brougham in as many articles as possible, but one link in a high profile article could be a big boost. I just hope there's something in the castle's history that would allow me to do that. Nev1 (talk) 20:32, 4 March 2010 (UTC)

Non-free files in your user space[edit]

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Hollybrook[edit]

You can see the text of the article Hollybrook preserved at http://www.facebook.com/pages/Hollybrook/107757412580811. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:35, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the link. It confirms that there's nothing there worth re-using unfortunately. --Northernhenge (talk) 17:50, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

Advice received[edit]

Some tips for you![edit]

Hi Northernhenge, I thought I'd drop a few notes on your talk page with some help on writing articles :o)

First of all, it may be best for you to do a bit of reading, starting with the Wikipedia manual of style, which will give you a lot of information about how Wikipedia prefers its articles to be written. It's not as hard to follow as it might look; quite a bit of the information there probably won't be vital for you at first.

Second, I recommend you make a user sandbox - which is just an area you can use to practise in, and to make notes in, and to get things ready in. If you click this red link: user:Northernhenge/Sandbox, that will let you create that page (it gives you an edit window to start work in). Anything, anywhere, on the help and information pages which gives you an example, try it out in your sandbox until you're familiar with it.

For your article, the next thing you want to do is start collecting as much information as you can about it. Google searches (particularly in Books and Scholar) will be your best friend for this! Once you've found the information, the next most important thing is to start writing up each fact in your own words (very important, this), and make a note at the same time of exactly where that information came from. Build in the references as you go along; I'm going to copy in, down below this, a whole heap of help on doing references, which was produced by one of our best teachers (Chzz).

Here's another place that you'll find incredibly useful - citation templates which you can copy and paste into your sandbox, between <ref></ref> tags; you just fill in the blanks from your sources into the template, and you'll end up with nicely formatted inline citations :o) It all helps. Remember to add a references section to your sandbox (make a new line, and put ==References== on it, and type {{reflist}} on the next line, so that you can see how your citations look as you do them. Remember to save your page often! You don't want to lose your work.

Hopefully this will give you a good start and make life easier for you. Pesky (talkstalk!) 09:39, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

I expect you've left this message because I haven't created many articles. I accept that, but please refer to WP:GNOME for a good description of what I mainly do. --Northernhenge (talk) 18:09, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

How references work[edit]

Simple references[edit]

These require two parts;

a)
Chzz is 98 years old.<ref> "The book of Chzz", Aardvark Books, 2009. </ref>

He likes tea. <ref> [http://www.nicecupofteaandasitdown.com Tea website] </ref>
b) A section called "References" with the special code "{{reflist}}";
== References ==
{{reflist}}

(an existing article is likely to already have one of these sections)

To see the result of that, please look at user:chzz/demo/simpleref. Edit it, and check the code; perhaps make a test page of your own, such as user:Northernhenge/reftest and try it out.

Named references[edit]

Chzz was born in 1837. <ref name=MyBook>
"The book of Chzz", Aardvark Books, 2009. 
</ref> 

Chzz lives in Footown.<ref name=MyBook/>

Note that the second usage has a / (and no closing ref tag). This needs a reference section as above; please see user:chzz/demo/namedref to see the result.

Citation templates[edit]

You can put anything you like between <ref> and </ref>, but using citation templates makes for a neat, consistent look;

Chzz has 37 Olympic medals. <ref> {{Citation
 | last = Smith
 | first = John
 | title = Olympic medal winners of the 20th century
 | publication-date = 2001
 | publisher = [[Cambridge University Press]]
 | page = 125
 | isbn = 0-521-37169-4
}}
</ref>

Please see user:chzz/demo/citeref to see the result.

For more help and tips on that subject, see user:chzz/help/refs. — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThatPeskyCommoner (talkcontribs) 09:39, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Something to make your life easier![edit]

Hi there Northernhenge! I've just come across one of your articles, and noticed that you had to create titles for your url links manually, or were using bare urls as references.

You might want to consider using this tool - it makes your life a whole heap easier, by filling in complete citation templates for your links. All you do is install the script on Special:MyPage/common.js, or or Special:MyPage/vector.js, then paste the bare url (without [...] brackets) between your <ref></ref> tabs, and you'll find a clickable link called Reflinks in your toolbox section of the page (probably in the left hand column). Then click that tool. It does all the rest of the work (provided that you remember to save the page! It doesn't work for everything (particularly often not for pdf documents), but for pretty much anything ending in "htm" or "html" (and with a title) it will do really, really well. Happy editing! Pesky (talkstalk!) 09:39, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll have a look. They are a pain to compose!--Northernhenge (talk) 11:10, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Hypenation[edit]

Yes, thanks!Curb Chain (talk) 01:52, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ERROL[edit]

There has been some additional discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/ERROL. Perhaps you might want to adjust your opinion in light of the additional information provided there. Cheers, —Ruud 20:37, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

I expect the closing admin will find that the deletion arguments are stronger than the keep arguments. The main author of the article has not argued the case well. I still think my own position is weak keep, but I can see that nobody else (apart from the author) has suggested keeping it. The consensus appears to be delete but I've based my own position on my view of the article, not my view of the deletion discussion. I hope that makes sense. Actually, what I can do is add a comment to say that I'm not persuaded to strengthen my position. I'll do that now. --Northernhenge (talk) 22:46, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
OK. The author concurs that "The discussion has not added any new sources". I've changed my position to delete. --Northernhenge (talk) 23:54, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

ROC categories[edit]

FYI, there is a consequential request here at CFD as a result to the previous move request on ROC universities. Regards. 116.48.183.128 (talk) 15:38, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing it out. I assume that WP:NC-TW must be controversial as otherwise all the renames should be speedied. It's not something I know anything about unfortunately, but I've suggested rename because that's what the naming convention says. --Northernhenge (talk) 20:45, 30 December 2011 (UTC)

Could you revisit this?[edit]

See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2012 February 1#Category:Coastal defense sites. I reexamined the category contents and I think the merge target is now more obvious. Mangoe (talk) 15:58, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Hi Mangoe. That's fine by me. I've added a comment to that effect and struck my original suggestion. Coastal defence and fortification is probabaly the best article to directly associate with the category so there is an argument for introducing Category:Coastal defence and fortification but the shorter name has the benefit of being short and already being in existence. --Northernhenge (talk) 22:15, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Three Mills Wall River Weir[edit]

Hi, I just noticed your comment on this article (from June 2010!). I have changed the wording for now, but I think the article needs serious attention, which I will try to give it. Bob1960evens (talk) 15:57, 20 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks - I'd forgotten about it. I should have looked into it myself by now! --Northernhenge (talk) 08:46, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Republic of China article[edit]

Since you have previously shared your view in a CfD about the Republic of China, I guess you are interested to share your insight at Talk:Republic of China#Requested Move (February 2012) too. Thanks for your attention. 61.18.170.66 (talk) 11:20, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the prompt. I was arguing in the past that WP:NC-TW should be the basis for the decisions being taken, but I have no particular view on what the naming convention actually says. I've only been to the island once and that was many years ago so I can't comment on local sensitivities. I won't be joining in this time, but thanks again for pointing it out. --Northernhenge (talk) 13:55, 12 March 2012 (UTC)

Deletions[edit]

File:SignPenrith1.JPG listed for deletion[edit]

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:SignPenrith1.JPG, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Cloudbound (talk) 20:22, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Delete -- it was part of an old discussion about the name of the station. --Northernhenge (talk) 18:15, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

File:SignPenrith2.JPG listed for deletion[edit]

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:SignPenrith2.JPG, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for deletion. Please see the discussion to see why this is (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry), if you are interested in it not being deleted. Thank you. Cloudbound (talk) 20:22, 21 March 2012 (UTC)

  • Delete -- it was part of an old discussion about the name of the station. --Northernhenge (talk) 18:15, 22 March 2012 (UTC)

Eling Tide Mill[edit]

There is nothing in the article to indicate that the mill is a toll bridge. If you have a source for the proposition that it is a toll bridge, could you please add it to the article? Otherwise it should be removed from the cat (per WP:CAT). If it is a toll bridge, it should be in Category:Toll bridges in England, not Category:Toll bridges in the United Kingdom. --Mhockey (talk) 22:05, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

It's mentioned in the photo caption "The mill from beside mill pond, with the toll hut in foreground" but I take your point. I'd be very surprised if the toll bridge immediately adjacent to the mill was notable in itself but it does form part of the mill's setting. I read somewhere that before the mill re-opened, the last miller became the toll collector, so there is that connection. I'll see if I can still find the source. --Northernhenge (talk) 22:38, 5 September 2012 (UTC)
It was in the Pannell book - I've updated the article. --Northernhenge (talk) 12:11, 8 September 2012 (UTC)

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Brovacum[edit]

Thanks for your help with the article. Much appreciated. -Thoughtfortheday (talk) 21:31, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Pleasure. It's an interesting site. I wonder if anyone will suggest merging the article with Brougham Castle though. --Northernhenge (talk) 21:54, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
I haven't a strong view....there are points for and against. -Thoughtfortheday (talk) 22:19, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

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...for correcting my faulty edit to Ravenstonedale. I had tried to record Wainwright's report of the pronunciation "Rassendl", but my iPad has been playing up and clearly malfunctioned. I've haven't access to the Wainwright now, so cannot repeat. Deipnosophista (talk) 07:19, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Pleasure to help. I tried editing from a Kindle once. Never again! --Northernhenge (talk) 15:38, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

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Note to self... The dab page is actually the best one to link to at present. Otherwise one could redlink Aladdin (Pantomime) perhaps. --Northernhenge (talk) 19:26, 3 September 2014 (UTC)

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