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Hello, NorwegianBlue, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you need help, check out Wikipedia:Questions, ask me on my talk page, or place {{helpme}} on your talk page and someone will show up shortly to answer your questions. Again, welcome!  --hydnjo talk 18:37, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

I just noticed your red sig went blue. See you around I'm sure :-) hydnjo talk 18:37, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Response from Orlinski[edit]

Hello, NorwegianBlue. What references exactly do you need so you don't delete the Orlin Vassilev page? the fact it is a living person means nothing, most of the contemporary artists are living persons.... Thank you, Orlin

Copied from hydnjo's talk[edit]

==Thanks for your friendly welcome==
Just one question: when I want to ask a specific user a question, is the right way to do it the way I'm asking you this question now?
Best regards,
--NorwegianBlue 19:29, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
Yes, exactly this way. Some users however may choose to reply on their own page in order to keep the conversation (if there is one) intact on one page so you may want to put that user on your watchlist. In the case of this question I'm going to answer on my page and then copy the whole thing to your page which is another way that you might encounter or want to do for whatever reason. I very rarely find a need to do this - just showing you how. Also, it's a good idea to put something in the edit summary even if only a word or two.
Please feel free to ask me anytime you think I can help out. --hydnjo talk 22:14, 25 May 2006 (UTC) addendum: You may find Help:Watching pages useful. --hydnjo talk 22:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC)


Generally {{helpme}} is to be used with building the encyclopedia (not userpages etc) but I can see you are working on something interesting there.

Place <br clear="all" /> directly above a section header will stop stuff overslapping - have a play with it.

To work on an aritcle in your userspace you can do so on a user subpage. Eg just start User:NorwegianBlue/Sandbox, or User:NorwegianBlue/Ksmrq etc.--Commander Keane 10:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:User page has some guidance on what content you can have in your user space. I think the reference desk info would be fine (I acutally have something similar), as long as you don't start turning Wikipedia into your personal webserver.
Anyone (well any logged in user) can create a page in Wikipedia, and your userspace is no exception to that (except things like your monobook.js, only you and admins can edit that).--Commander Keane 13:28, 30 May 2006 (UTC)


Hei! Du kan også benytte Template:User_nb. Kan du foreslå noe betre enn "redaktør"? -- Arvind 23:59, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Det er ikke en stor sak for meg. Gjør gjerne det du synes er best! Jeg mener ikke å endre boksen igjen. -- Arvind 18:28, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
Det kan stå som det er. Jeg har funnet min egen løsing for min diskusjonside :-) -- Arvind 21:47, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Response from JackofOz[edit]

Hello, NorwegianBlue. Thank you for the feedback. No matter how hard we try, and no matter how noble our intentions may be, there is almost always a better way. If I didn’t understand that before I became a Wikipedian, I certainly do now. I think your suggested response to Luke’s post is a very good one, and I would certainly adopt it in future.

The nature of a wiki means that editing others’ posts (other than in articles, of course) cannot be absolutely forbidden, but it’s generally frowned upon unless there’s a good reason. Removing emails is a good reason. Formatting to remove large areas of white space is a good reason. Making incomprehensible English comprehensible might be a good reason, but that’s also tricky because it depends on the assumed meaning of the post being the same as the meaning intended by the poster, which cannot be known with certainty unless questions are asked, and answered. So most people prefer to ask what they meant rather than just change it to what they think they meant. In Luke’s case, it was quite clear (to me at least) what he meant. My issue was with the total lack of punctuation, which made it much harder to read than it needed to be. If the tone of my response seemed unnecessarily judgmental, that’s a lesson I need to take heed of.

This is a very common problem with a communication forum that uses words alone, without any of the body language and facial gestures that give human communications the vast majority of their meaning. Although it wasn’t relevant in this case, the most difficult thing to express in a wiki environment is humour. If the speaker prefers to let their humour be subtle or dry (as I do) rather than “in your face”, they have to be prepared to be occasionally misunderstood and inappropriately taken to task. I’ve been down that road more than once as the recipient of such criticism, and I’ve also been the “perpetrator” (where I’ve failed to see the intended humour in another person’s post, and got all righteous about it). That’s where the assume good faith policy comes in. But that good faith policy doesn't mean dropping our standards.

There’s also the question of political correctness, which your question touched on ("Luke might be a very young person, or have a reading/writing disability, and the question could be the result of hard work.") That may very well be true. We certainly don’t want to discourage young people from coming here. And not everyone is fortunate enough to have had as much language training as other people have. I guess I get frustrated at what I see as the dumbing down of language these days. Mobile/cell phones have brought enormous change to how people operate in their daily lives, much of it very good, but text messaging (SMS) has had a huge negative impact on how written language is abbreviated because those habits spill over to other places where they’re inappropriate. All you need to make a good paragraph pretty unreadable is to dispense with capitals, full stops and commas, and insert a small number of spelling errors for good luck. That’s all Luke did, it wasn’t a hanging offence - which is why it wasn’t a huge task to put them back where they belonged. Those small changes made a large difference to the readability of the para. The message I was trying to convey to him was that it was open to him to make those changes himself, rather than leaving it for somebody else to do. What does this have to do with PC? Well, without specific knowledge of a person’s circumstances, I think it’s going too far to try to work out what could possibly explain a poorly punctuated sentence, and then assume that's the case, and by our silence make it seem OK. (I have a similar issue with a lot of redirects, that undermine our language by enabling people to search using a grossly misspelled word and they get taken straight to the relevant page without ever being made aware they have just committed linguistic murder. This is doing a serious disservice to our language.) Maybe Luke does have a learning difficulty. But my preference is not to assume that. I’d rather assume he’s had the “benefit” of modern educational philosophy. It’s not his fault, it’s the fault of our educators. But he still needs to hear that this outcome is not entirely acceptable. If he worked in an office where he had to write letters to customers, he’d soon find out what English standards were expected, or he’d be out of a job. Maybe I’m just an old duffer who thinks that standards still count when in it comes to writing English. Maybe I’m out of step. Who knows? Anyway, those are some of my thoughts about this tricky subject. Thanks for the opportunity to say them. JackofOz 05:54, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I'm to be vacationing as well![edit]

It seems that the blood type MCOTW has come at a bad time for the both of us. I'm going on a month long vacation without the internet at the end of this week. There is a chance that things won't change while we're gone (MCOTW does not promise much improvement!) but if it is not already a featured article, then I propose that we make it so (with help, of course!). I had copied the list of antigens from what had previously been on the page without checking for veracity, so that explains the errors. I will look to find the appropriate nomenclature - I didn't break out my Wintrobe's last night because I thought that pubmed would be enough. I think that sometimes doing sub/superscripts on the internet gets ignored. InvictaHOG 16:02, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

I was looking at several articles and haven't seen the subscript notation for K1/K2, though I have seen K0 more than Kell-null. The one place that it showed up was the hemolytic disease of the newborn page for the Kell antigen created by snowmanradio. I will ask him/her where the notation came from so we can choose to be consistent! InvictaHOG 20:46, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for your review[edit]

Hi NorwegianBlue. I just wanted to thank you again for your very helpful review of the chromatophore article. After taking your comments on board, it was promoted to featured article status today without opposition. So thanks again for helping me achieve my goal (and i hope you had a nice wikibreak!). Rockpocket 03:01, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Username change[edit]

As you requested, your username has now been changed from (Old name) to NorwegianBlue. If you haven't done it already, please remember to move your user page and your talk page using the "move" tab on the upper right-hand side of your screen. Redux 23:38, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Computer algebra systems (Copied from KSmrq's talk page.)[edit]

Hi KSmrq,

First, I would like to thank you for your work on the maths reference desk. I've read the refdesk regularly for about a year, and am deeply impressed with the way you respond to questions, whether they be on elementary or advanced topics, always with the same patience and insight. A tiny number of questions have been mine, such as this one. Thank you!

Second, I would like to ask your advice about selecting a computer algebra system. I remember your having stated in passing that you used a CAS when arriving at a certain conclusion, and I also believe that you once said that you were a supporter of free software (I'm certain about the first statement, not 100% certain about the second one). I've read the CAS article, and am aware that there are several open source computer algebra systems.

Some background: I'm certainly no mathematician, but from time to time, mostly for the fun of it, do some algebra. Having a CAS available might to help me from doing silly mistakes, and from spending a lot of time in spotting them. Right now, I'm trying to gain a little more insight into mathematical statistics, involving the need of both symbolic and numerical integration. I had access to Maple some time ago, and have also used a trial version of MuPad. Both programs would fit the bill, but I'm looking for a free, open source alternative. For plotting, simulations and computations, I use R. I would greatly appreciate your opinion about whether there are open source alternatives that could be useful to me, and if so, where to start. Thank you. --NorwegianBlue talk 21:35, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

PS. The OS'es that I currently use are Windows XP and Kubuntu 6.06. --NorwegianBlue talk 10:05, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
I am an enthusiastic user of computer algebra systems. The landmark original Macsyma system (not the current commercial one) evolved at the MIT AI Lab, which is also where Richard Stallman and the "hacker mentality" of free software began. So, despite the high-priced efforts of Wolfram and Mathematica, CAS and open source are a natural combination.
One interesting effort you might like to explore is SAGE: Software for Algebra and Geometry Experimentation. You can find a home page at, and download versions for XP and Linux. It incorporates a number of open source projects; and you can find more at Category:Free computer algebra systems. --KSmrqT 21:40, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
Thanks a lot, I'll try it out as soon as the download finishes! --NorwegianBlue talk 10:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Reference Desk[edit]

Thank you for your attempt to answer my question Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Science#Antagonism_vs_Inhibition_.7C_Enzymes_.26_Neurotransmiters.

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--Parker007 06:20, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


I saw you make the edits requesting deletion on recent changes; and I've deleted them at your request. However, if you want to request deletion of one of your subpages in future, please tag the page with {{db-userreq}}, this will place it in the speedy deletion category and will guarantee a response.--Nilfanion (talk) 21:45, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Main Page redesign[edit]

The Main Page Redesign proposal is currently conducting a straw poll to select five new designs, before an RFC in which one will be proposed to replace the Main Page. The poll closes on October 31st. Your input would be hugely appreciated! Many thanks, PretzelsTalk! 15:03, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


Hi NorwegianBlue, thanks for expressing such an interest! Here are some links that should help explain how the proposal came about:

There was a discussion held on Talk:Main Page that initiated the proposal, but I can't seem to find archives for that talk page; perhaps you can. I hope this answers your question. PretzelsTalk! 18:01, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

  • I hate to be cliche, but yes, it's partly all three. I would personally say less so the second option, as any significant content changes were rooted out as "problems" quite early on. PretzelsTalk! 21:24, 28 October 2008 (UTC)


I've made this edit :) -hydnjo talk 03:54, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the notification, and for including me in the list! Much appreciated! --NorwegianBlue talk 20:16, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
You're welcome! I have no idea how you managed to remain off-list so long except to think that we all assumed you were there. -hydnjo talk 15:18, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Merry Christmas![edit]


I'm rather surprised the English Wikipedia has an article on Bardufoss. I expect Troms0 - it was a rather large city compared to Bardufoss. Yes, I was on the air base. Technically, I was on top of a mountain above the air base fixing a radar system. But, I finished my work in 2 days instead of the allotted 21 days. So, I had a lot of time to spend with the locals (in Bardufoss). Since we don't get Norwegian television or movies here to warp our view of Norway, my entire view is based on two weeks in a tiny town in northern Norway in February. I loved everything except the complete inability to get a real pizza (I even tried to get them to let me make it myself). I also got one of my favorite quotes ever. I asked a woman in a bar why the Norwegian words are so long. She replied, "We have so much time to talk and there's only so many ways to complain about the cold." Anyway - if I didn't have a wife, son, and another child on the way, I'd still be trying to figure out how to move to Norway. -- kainaw 02:19, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Hehe. People from the north of Norway do have a good sense of humour (and an amazing vocabulary and imagination when swearing). The truth about word length is more boring. Norwegian words are long because compound words are written without a space, as in "chicken liver" -> "kyllinglever". Nowadays, there is a tendency among young people towards writing compound nouns separately, probably driven by the limited capabilities of the spellcheckers of cellphones and word processors. This leads to stuff like "stekt kyllinglever" (fried chicken liver) being written "stekt kylling lever" (fried chicken [still] alive).
When traveling, I think we're much more likely to notice the one food item that's missing, than the large choice of food that we didn't even know existed. --NorwegianBlue talk 14:30, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

new WP:RDREG userbox[edit]

Refdesk barnstar candidate2.png This user is a Reference desk regular.

The box to the right is the newly created userbox for all RefDesk regulars. Since you are an RD regular, you are receiving this notice to remind you to put this box on your userpage! (but when you do, don't include the |no. Just say {{WP:RD regulars/box}} ) This adds you to Category:RD regulars, which is a must. So please, add it. Don't worry, no more spam after this - just check WP:RDREG for updates, news, etc. flaminglawyerc 21:11, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Just a quick thanks[edit]

I forgot to check back to the entertainment reference desk and didn't have a chance to thank you and the others for contributing and helping me with this. So, here you go, my thanks! Good to know there's some other guitar players on here who I can always run to for help ;)

Cyclonenim (talk · contribs · email) 14:51, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

"As Small as Stars"[edit]

Name of Norwegian Song (Entertainment desk 2009-03-06)[edit]

(Moved from Wikipedia:Reference desk/Miscellaneous -- JSH-alive talkcontmail 15:01, 6 March 2009 (UTC))

Do you know the name of this ( ) Norwegian song? I got the English name "As Small as Stars" but don't know Norwegian name. -- JSH-alive talkcontmail 06:00, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

You would probably get a better response if you asked this on our 'Entertainment' desk. They are very good at that kind of thing. SteveBaker (talk) 18:48, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
Here's the link. --Alinnisawest,Dalek Empress (extermination requests here) 02:13, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
I was unable to get any sound from the site (after accepting a ton of cookies, I declined accepting an active-X download). So I'd like to help, but cannot. The translation doesn't ring a bell. --NorwegianBlue talk 20:43, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Follow-up question[edit]

OK. Here is link to the song with English name "As Small as Stars".

JSH-alive talkcontmail 07:13, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm sorry, but the link
does not work from here.
A direct translation of "As small as stars" is "Så små som stjerner" or "Like små som stjerner". "As small as the stars" would be "Så små som stjernene" or "Like små som stjernene". I've googled them all, no relevant hits. --NorwegianBlue talk 13:30, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Dah, try this: -- JSH-alive talkcontmail 12:51, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

The song isn't Norwegian, it is Swedish, and written by Evert Taube. The title is "Som stjärnor små" (like little stars). You'll find lyrics here. In the lyrics that I linked to, repetitions are omitted. In line 3, the lyrics that I've found on the web (various sites agree) say "de vinka til varann" (they wave at each other), whereas in the audio you provided, what is sung is "de blinka til varann" (they blink at each other). --NorwegianBlue talk 13:15, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
Thank you so much. -- JSH-alive talkcontmail 14:38, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
You're welcome. I remembered your previous question Track listing of a Norwegian Album, and googled based on the tags in the mp3 file. This turned up: Since the song you now asked about was from the same album you asked about previously, and one of those that I was unable to locate, I suspect you too have found the track listing. Anyway, here is the track listing, corrected for some obvious typos, and with some missing accents included. I've added "OK" to those that I've been able to identify, and "??" to the others.
     1. Himlen I Min Favn (Heaven In My Boson) OK
     2. Dans Mot Vår (Dance Towards Spring) ??
     3. No One Like You ??
     4. Mitt Hjerte Alltid Vanker (My Heart Always Goes) OK
     5. Varsøg (Longing For Spring) OK
     6. Sommernatt Ved Fjorden (Summer Night By The Fiord) OK
     7. Natten (The Night) ??
     8. Billities ('Billities') ??
     9. Somewhere ('West Side Story') OK
     10. All I Ask Of You ('Phantom Of the Opera') OK
     11. Som stjärnor små (Like little stars) OK
     12. Eg Veit i Himmerik ei Borg (I Know A Fortress In Heaven) OK
     13. Lover's Lullaby ??(Orig: Townes Van Zandt? Janis Ian?)
--NorwegianBlue talk 15:39, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Request for name resolution[edit]

Can you make an edit on one (or both) of those projects requesting usurpation while signed in and give me a link to the diff? --Brian McNeil / talk 18:43, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

Yes, done. --NorwegianBlue talk 21:54, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
You should be able to re-unify now, I've renamed the blocking account out the way on en.wikinews. --Brian McNeil /talk 17:34, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

NRK P3?[edit]

Most radio stations of NRK and Sveriges Radio are branded Pn, rather than Radio n. What does the P stands for? -- JSH-alive talkcontmail 13:49, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Program. The word can mean an individual program, or the collection of programs of a radio station. (It's used that way in English too in other contexts too, btw. The program for a conference etc.) --NorwegianBlue talk 17:38, 27 April 2009 (UTC)
So, the "NRK mP3" is just a pun? -- JSH-alive talkcontmail 09:40, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
Yes. --NorwegianBlue talk 18:24, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


I have granted rollback rights to your account; the reason for this is that after a review of some of your contributions, I believe I can trust you to use rollback correctly by using it for its intended usage of reverting vandalism, and that you will not abuse it by reverting good-faith edits or to revert-war. For information on rollback, see Wikipedia:New admin school/Rollback and Wikipedia:Rollback feature. If you do not want rollback, just let me know, and I'll remove it. Good luck and thanks. –Juliancolton | Talk 16:27, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

To answer your question about Twinkle and Huggle, the two are independent. You don't need one to operate the other. bibliomaniac15 19:14, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

Magnetosphere article[edit]

hi, yea i thought so, no problem ;) Darth NormaN (talk) 22:14, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

Medical questions on the refdesk[edit]

Hello Kainaw, TenOfAllTrades and Scray,

Please take a look at this thread, along with my response on SteveBaker's talk page , and my response and Tango's answer on Tango's talk page. I'm asking the three of you directly instead of raising the issue directly on the refdesk's talk page, because I feel the discussions there on such matters lately have been rather predictable and unproductive. Your opinions would be greatly valued. If two of the three of you feel that the OP is asking for medical advice, I'll remove it myself, with a note on the refdesk talk page. Please reply on my talk page. Thanks, --NorwegianBlue talk 07:10, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

This is a very wishy-washy post. I can make the argument that it isn't a request for medical advice because there is not request. It is nothing more than a rant. Since there isn't a question, it is up to the reader to make up the question. If the reader decides the question is "What can I do to stop getting cavities on my teeth?", then it is clearly a request for medical advice. If the reader decides the question is "Is there something that any person can do to stop getting cavities on his or her teeth?", then it is a request for medical information, not medical advice. In the end, you will have people arguing over different questions. So, before asking if it is a request for medical advice, everyone must agree on the question. -- kainaw 19:12, 10 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks. The OP says, with minor editing on my part: "After all the advances in every other field, I find it weird that on-one has come up with a preventive treatment for dental caries, it should be pretty simple. Some kind of mouth wash that will produce a thin film at the surface of the tooth,so it wont be in contact with food left, so no cavities will form." I agree, it's a rant, a statement of opinion, and it doesn't end in a question mark. Still, I feel there's an implicit question, Why has no-one come up with such a preventive treatment. Anyway, that was what I tried to answer. I see now that the meta-discussion that I was hoping to avoid is building up on the refdesk. It was naïve of me not to move it there in the first place. I'll move the meta-discussion to the talk page, and let's continue there. --NorwegianBlue talk 19:30, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Watchmen (From Blurpeace's talk page)[edit]

Hi! Re your Huggle rollback on the Watchmen article: The ip's edit appears to be justified... --NorwegianBlue talk 22:14, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Hi Norwegian. Yeah, after he made the edit back, I decided to research it for myself and it was justified. (see his talk page where I removed the warning, and the edit summary). blurredpeace 22:15, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
Also, it was too late to revert my own edits as he had corrected it. Thanks for notifying though. blurredpeace 22:17, 11 May 2009 (UTC)
No problem. I was considering reverting again, but googled, seeing that the ip had provided both edits with edit summaries. --NorwegianBlue talk 22:26, 11 May 2009 (UTC)

Thank you[edit]

for reverting vandalism to my user page. Oda Mari (talk) 19:40, 16 May 2009 (UTC)


What experiments are you talking about? That Emperordarius user is indefinitely blocked for abusing sock puppet accounts and the templates are accurate. The other person is blocked, try looking at their talk page where they make an unblock request that is denied as they are a SOCKPUPPET. Please try to look a little bit at what people do and consider why they may do them instead of just jumping at the first thing you see on "recent edits". You should also be careful what you label as vandalism. Iggy pop goes the weasel (talk) 07:37, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

I realize that I was too trigger-happy here. I apologize for mis-interpreting your actions. --NorwegianBlue talk 16:45, 19 May 2009 (UTC)


You are aware of the article Ida (Darwinius massillae)? --NorwegianBlue

Well, I wasn't until now... Is there a problem? (Apart from the fact that it is the third article on the same subject...) GregorB (talk) 19:19, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Not really, only that the three need to be merged, and the one I linked to is the most complete one. --NorwegianBlue talk 19:21, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Linked from where? I edited the disambig page, but the link I removed was pointing to the just recently merged article. (And yes, Ida (Darwinius massillae) is absolutely the most complete one.) GregorB (talk) 19:26, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

May 2009[edit]

Hello, I was reverting vandalism and you gave me a warning for it... user:pekayer11

Pekayer11 (talk) 17:31, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about the warning, it was not intended for you! I don't understand why it ended up on your talk page, I issued it to an anon user (or at least that's what I thought I did). --NorwegianBlue talk 17:37, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
Thank you =] —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pekayer11 (talkcontribs) 17:38, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Removal of content by[edit]

My edits do not constitute vandalism. Want to discuss it? Where's the proof it's vandalism. What makes you think I don't know what I'm talking about? Etc...-- (talk) 22:07, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

I did not remove the article, I edited it. There's a big difference. I suggest you reread the original article. You might notice two important things: there were significant language issues, it's claims are unfounded (no sources) and untrue. I whittled it to the bare indisputable facts. That's editing.-- (talk) 22:10, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

You removed 75% of the content without an explanation. You've received a similar warning regarding the same page previously. Removal of significant amount of content without an explanation is considered vandalism. --NorwegianBlue talk 22:15, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

The article, to be frank, has no merit. The only indisputable fact it contains is that there is a place in Mexico called Altos de Jalisco. Use some common sense man, I was doing wikipedia a favor. I recommend having the article state simply that Altos de Jalisco is a highland region located the Mexican State of Jalisco; that it was founded by Spaniards in the 16h century, and that it's population is predominately mestizo, as is the majority of the population of Mexico. As factoid one can add that it is the birth place of the well known Mexican writer Juan Rulfo.-- (talk) 22:23, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Maybe so, but discussing such matters is what the article talk pages are for. If you feel that the content you removed promotes a point of view that is not neutral, you may indicate that by adding a {{pov}} template to the section, or even move the content you find objectionable to the talk page, with an explanation. If you feel the article should be merged with Jalisco, you can add a {{mergeto|Jalisco}} template. --NorwegianBlue talk 22:40, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

List of Swedish number-one hits of 2009 edit[edit]

Please do not make an edit of this page like this. This is not a list Swedish artists that have hit number one but a list of songs that have hit number one in Sweden. If that was the case other songs on here would have to be removed as they are not Swedish Artists These songs have hit Number One in Sweden. I created this page and other pages for years to go with them. I am in the process of working my way back to 1975. All information is correct and verifiable. (MoovieStarz (talk) 16:09, 24 May 2009 (UTC))

Thanks for letting me know. It would have been helpful, though, if you had responded to my first message instead of just reverting. NorwegianBlue talk 16:21, 24 May 2009 (UTC)

Well I reverted because the deletion of information was incorrect. I just think that before removing this information you should have checked and verified your interpretation of the page before making any edits like that to save any misunderstanding. If you had looked at the page you would have noticed other Non-Swedish artists on there such as "Lady Gaga". Not sure if it was just a language difference that cause this confusion or not. All the pages I have created so far do have an intro and do have the verifiable sources which are mentioned in the intro and are linked to the archive at the bottom of the page. Noticed that the name of the page has been changed also. The original name was in line with the names of other countries such as Switzerland. But I noticed this has been changed as well. Nice to chat with you. I just wish that before you had edited the page that you would have written to me and questioned me first. It would have saved a lot of trouble. Thanks for your time. (MoovieStarz (talk) 13:38, 25 May 2009 (UTC))


Thanks fo the reverts in my talk. M.H.True Romance iS Dead 16:59, 24 May 2009 (UTC)


I appreciate the reversions you made on my user and talk pages. Keep up the good work.

Original Barnstar.png The Original Barnstar
Please accept this token of appreciation for keeping not-so-fun

stuff off my User/Talk pages Tiderolls 00:25, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

My very first! Thanks a lot, much appreciated. --NorwegianBlue talk 17:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)


I wrongly moved the Monsoon article to "Moonsoon". Could you move it back to were it belongs- with all the history of its edit. Thanks!--Brout8 (talk) 20:22, 25 May 2009 (UTC) {{adminhelp}} Can an admin please help me fix this mess, I tried but only created a redirect... NorwegianBlue talk 20:35, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Because you need an administrator for this, I've changed the tag to {{adminhelp}}. --Mysdaao talk 20:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

What needs to be done: The Monsoon page currently (20:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)) is a #REDIRECT to a temporary page that is to be deleted. "Monsoon" needs to be deleted, then "Moonsoon" should be moved to "Monsoon" (And then finally delete the temporary page, at the request of User::Brout8). Thanks. NorwegianBlue talk 20:54, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I think I've fixed it, but you may want to check that I haven't missed anything. Best, – Toon(talk) 21:28, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism on watchlist?? (Copied from Sarah's talk page)[edit]

Hi Sarah, I happened to read your comment on Jack's talkpage. You wrote: I noticed you reverting vandalism on my watchlist... Am I misunderstanding what you wrote, or was there actually vandalism on your watchlist? I thought that someone's watchlist was visible only to themself, when logged in. --NorwegianBlue talk 12:41, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

NorwegianBlue, Sarah just means that of the various articles that she is watching (on her watchlist) she has noted that Jack has reverted vandalism to one or more of those articles - because Jack either has similar articles on his watchlist or because he happened to stumble across vandalism on those articles. I hope that explain the comment?--VS talk 13:11, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks, that explains it perfectly! --NorwegianBlue talk 14:14, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
(after ec)Yes, it is as Mr Steve says. I noticed Jack manually reverting a vandal on an article I have on my watchlist and I was surprised to see he didn't have rollback. Knowing that he is a very trustworthy editor, I went ahead and turned it on for him. The only way that I'm aware the watchlist could be vandalised is if an admin vandalised the MediaWiki space. Sarah 14:22, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
Thanks Sarah, I was wondering if my watchlist could be accessed by others via Special pages or something like that. Good to know it isn't so. --NorwegianBlue talk 15:14, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

NP. I noticed the vandalism on my watclist...:-) Rettetast (talk) 21:16, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

June 2009[edit]

Information.png Welcome to Wikipedia. Your test on the page Soldier X worked, and has been removed. If you would like to experiment further, please use the sandbox. You may also wish to read the introduction to editing and its related help page for more information. Thank you. ZooFari 20:55, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Oops, sorry, Huggle conflict. ZooFari 20:56, 7 June 2009 (UTC) (talk · contribs)[edit]

Don't feed the trolls and all that, even a calm remark like this isn't even worth the effort of typing it. The IP's been blocked now. Nev1 (talk) 21:11, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks. Point taken. --NorwegianBlue talk 21:23, 13 June 2009 (UTC)


Thank you for reverting vandalism on my page. How did you catch it so fast? Frania W. (talk) 22:38, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

De rien. I caught it using WP:HUGGLE. --NorwegianBlue talk 07:10, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Hacking into my account[edit]

I have just read your notice to me on my talk page. I need your help on this one, as obviously my account seems to have been hacked. There was no way I made changes to the page you outlined, so something must be going wrong...

Can you please help with this??

--Lskil09 (talk) 12:57, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

I haven't written any message on your talk page. I take it you are referring to these messages?. If so, there's no problem, you probably have a dynamic ip address, which someone else has previously used for vandalism. And you saw the message before logging in, right? --NorwegianBlue talk 16:39, 15 June 2009 (UTC)

Spanish translation[edit]

My half of the conversation copied from the talk page of Pallida Mors.

Hi PM. As far as I know, you're the most active refdesk regular hispanohablante. I hope it's OK if I ask you a question here instead of posting it on the refdesk (which is a very public place). I would like to have a trilingual picture legend for a picture in a web page of mine, and am having trouble getting the Spanish version right. Here's the English version:

EN: Child labour was common in Norway in the 1950's. Here is yours truly at work as a photo model, struggling to make ends meet for the family.

The legend is of course a joke, the picture is one of myself as a baby, with boxing gloves and a black eye, which was actually used in an advertisement for cod liver oil. Here's what I've got so far:

ES: Trabajo infantil era comun en Noruega en los años 1950's. Aquí estoy trabajando como Modelo de fotografía, luchando para (make ends meet) para la familia.

In addition to my problem of translating "make ends meet", I'd like the text to be as faithful as possible to the English text, and at the same time shorter than it currently is. Gracias de antemano, --NorwegianBlue talk 20:16, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Hi NB! I just happened to read your message about the translation stuff. I'm currently working on it, ASAP I'll fetch it to you. Cheers! Pallida  Mors 20:04, 18 June 2009 (UTC)
Thanks a lot, I'm looking forward to reading what you'll come up with. Googled "make ends meet" and found something on, but I'm unsure of the connotations. And please, do point out anything that might be improved in my attempt at translation. --NorwegianBlue talk 17:09, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
Alright, here some preliminar points: The most faithful translation of the idiom "make ends meet" is "llegar a fin de mes". Of course there are other (less direct) possible choices, such as "ayudar a las endebles finanzas familiares", "colaborar con las finanzas familiares", etc. But the first phrase is the best try.
I think that you use yours truly as a joking expression (derived from the valediction); that form can be kept in the Spanish version by using "su servidor", which takes verb forms of the third person. Hence, as a first try:
  • "El trabajo infantil era común en la Noruega de los años 50. Aquí está su servidor trabajando como modelo de fotografía, ayudando a su familia a llegar a fin de mes".
Please notice the neccessary article before trabajo infantil. The wording of the Norway stuff has been changed a little, but your version is alright, except for the "'s" which is not used in Spanish; "los años 50" or "los años cincuentas" are two other possible choices.
Your "aquí estoy" is alright; I just used "su servidor" to keep the original jocular idea, as already noted.
The last part of the text is the most difficult to translate; a more faithful (if only a little longer) try would be:
  • "Aquí está su servidor trabajando como modelo de fotografía, arreglándoselas para ayudar a su familia a llegar a fin de mes."
Please do not hesitate to contact me for further comment or discussion. Happy translating! Pallida  Mors 22:34, 20 June 2009 (UTC)
Hi again, NB! As a minor point, I apologyse if my method of answering talks differs from yours; maybe you wanted my answer directly to stand in my talk page. I understand many prefer this way, to keep the conversation more compact. ;)
As you point out, la is needed because countries get somewhat personified when restricted to a certain time period; "La Noruega de los años 50" is an entity, different from "la Noruega medieval". Plain Noruega just refers to the country (past or present), and no modifier such as de los años... can be attached to it. Your view is also correct in that the phrase you took for the Norway issue is somewhat drier, and mine more visual or romantic, if you want. Which you may prefer can of course vary with the occasion. I also like the visual version because it avoids doubling of prepositions (en... en..); this is not an issue here, but sometimes translating English text leaves you with an endless concatenation of "" that is really annoying. Hence, you start working out variants to avoid the series.
Your 50's is not a serious mistake, in the sense that many native speakers use the combination 's in such instances (maybe following English usage). Greetings! Pallida  Mors 21:13, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
Oh, did I forget to thank you for my very first Barnstar?! I appreciate it quite a lot! Pallida  Mors 21:16, 23 June 2009 (UTC)


funny, i thought i tried that first! —Tamfang (talk) 17:34, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Re: your post on my alleged non-notability[edit]

I am indeed familiar with Steve and second your nomination! And along the same lines, I've included my wiki account name on my CV while applying for perio programs and even got into substantial discussions about it with some directors. I say we be friends from now on, fellow Python. DRosenbach (Talk | Contribs) 23:01, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

If I can't have your name, can I have some sort of idea what you do in lieu? DRosenbach (Talk | Contribs) 23:40, 6 October 2009 (UTC)

Your reversion of my edit[edit]

Hey, I do apologise, thank you very much, I have no excuse for that, it was a complete accident so thank you very much for picking up on my mistake. Best regards, Captain n00dle T/C 19:50, 26 October 2009 (UTC)


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Much like rabbits, vandals occur in large numbers and are considered by some to be a nuisance. However while rabbits are cute, vandals are not. For defending my user page from a vandal, and possibly also blocking said vandal, I give you "Nezzadar's Rabbit of Appreciation". Take this random award featuring an image of an adorable mammal, and let it be a sign to others that you fight the good fight. From your completely insane friend,   Nezzadar   .


hate to be a squealer, but User: just vandalized the Saint Peter article. thanks. Kenatipo (talk) 19:37, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

sorry 'bout that, chief. i got the chronology wrong. the St. Peter vandalism happened before the St. Maurice vandalism. Kenatipo (talk) 19:41, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

TIBS! You're it[edit]

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Thanks for keeping up with the vandalism at Plentywood, Montana; although the IP hasn't vandalised enough to be blocked for vandalism alone yet, I've blocked it for obvious violation of 3RR. Nyttend (talk) 22:25, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


Just a quick note about this edit [1], I think the user in question was blanking their own article after I prodded it, which is entirely fine. No real need to tag them for it. Cheers, --Bfigura (talk) 22:29, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


Hi, Thanks for removing vandalism from my Talk page.

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For your efforts Atif.t2 (talk) 22:32, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Law of Cosines[edit]

NorwegianBlue, please note: The "Laws of Cosines" is plural, NOT singular. There are three formulas per the article's triangular drawing. They are as follows

a^2 = b^2 + c^2 - 2bc\cos(\alpha)\,
b^2 = a^2 + c^2 - 2ac\cos(\beta)\,
c^2 = a^2 + b^2 - 2ab\cos(\gamma)\,

You can Google "Laws of Cosines" and you can easly verify the above.

Sincerely, Mike Brady, —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 23:45, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

The "three" laws, as you put it, is the same law written three times, with alternating symbols. --NorwegianBlue talk 23:50, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Of course they are. They are the three cosines which are applicable for the articles angular drawing. As I said, the Law of Cosines is plural, NOT singular. Therefore, there is more than ONE identy. All triangles have three Sines, three Cosines, and three Tangents. The same goes for their inverses too. Wikipedia's "Law of Sines" is correct (there are six identy ratios), but presently (11-02-09, 4:23PST) the "Law of Tangents" is very-very incomplete (there are six tangent identy ratios, NOT only one as is shown) ... Mike Brady —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 00:24, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Discworld Orcs[edit]

Excuse me, please, as I am not familiar with much of the Wikipedia editing procedure, but I am curious as to what you did concerning my edit of the above specified. I hope I did not make an error, I merely desired to make a couple of improvements. I am aware it was not perfect, but constant honing is more realistic than immediate flawlessness. I hope I did not step on any toes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 21:43, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

I first reverted you edit (using WP:HUGGLE), as it upon initial inspection appeared (to me) unconstructive. Using that tool, you only see a small section of the page, so I went back in Firefox to read it in context. I then decided to undo my edit, because I felt I didn't have the knowledge to judge your edit. Cheers! --NorwegianBlue talk 21:50, 4 November 2009 (UTC)

Michael Tellinger[edit]

This guy has no links to anything, why is his page there? obviously he wrote his own article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 20:14, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Please see Wikipedia:Criteria for speedy deletion. If you feel it meets any of the criteria there, add the appropriate template, but don't delete the article. Thanks, --NorwegianBlue talk 20:21, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Ta fanx[edit]

For the reverting the vandalism on mah talkpage. It is my earnest wish that one day I will be able to do as he suggested. :) Crafty (talk) 22:05, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Stats and redirects[edit]

You can look at stats on any article with you can also look at other language wiki like this and even your own userpage. SunCreator (talk) 14:40, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks! I tried "", but that only gave a list of the most frequently viewed pages. Very useful. --NorwegianBlue talk 16:19, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Email problems[edit]

Since you were the only one to respond,[2] has a couple of updates from me.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 20:48, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

I don't remember whether I answered your questions since it was already archived. I never use an email client. Until I got my own computer, I always sed Webmail at libraries. This is still what I do. I have a new related question on the computing reference desk.Vchimpanzee · talk · contributions · 19:52, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

thank you[edit]

for posting my question on the Italian help desk... much appreciated! Sandman30s (talk) 18:34, 20 September 2010 (UTC)


Hmmm, makes sense! Thanks. Matttoothman (talk) 19:55, 11 October 2011 (UTC)


.. for your support recently, Norwegian Blue. The wounds are healing nicely. There's a link on my talk page if you haven't seen it already.

Btw, the beer didn't even touch the sides, and I'm still thirsty. Cheers. -- Jack of Oz [your turn] 06:37, 16 October 2011 (UTC)

"Cool smiles"[edit]

Hi, Norwegian! I replied at Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Language#Spanish_help:_translating_.22cool_smiles.22 WhisperToMe (talk) 06:12, 29 January 2012 (UTC)

Bayes' Rule[edit]

Hi, NorwegianBlue. It occurs to me that maybe I should have also mentioned a couple other things to you about Bayes' Rule.

P(disease|positive test result) can actually be pretty low. Suppose you have a population of 100 people, 99 of whom are disease-free: P(disease) = .01 . Suppose the test always comes out positive if the disease is present: P(positive test result|disease) = 1.0 , and suppose that the probability of a false positive is 1/33: P(disease|positive test result) = 32/33. Then if you test all 100 people, you get one true positive and 3 false positives (1/33 times 99 disease-free people), so there is one chance out of four that the positive test result means the person actually has the disease:

P(SomeDisease|PositiveTest) = \frac{P(SomeDisease) \, P(PositiveTest | SomeDisease)}{P(PositiveTest)} = \frac{(.01)(1.0)}{(.04)} = \frac{1}{4}. \,

Also, you might want to take a look at prosecutor's fallacy. Duoduoduo (talk) 15:22, 12 April 2012 (UTC)

Thanks! I'm including an example which makes the same point. The diagnostic test is anti-CCP, which is a test for rheumatoid arthritis (RA), with approximate sensitivity 70% and specificity 97%. I start out with 10000 unselected individuals (assumed prevalence for RA 0.5%), then 1000 patients referred by their general practitioner to a rheumatology department (assumed prevalence for RA 5%), then 100 of these patients, who the rheumatologist evaluates to have a 50% pre-test probability of suffering from RA. In all three cases, there will be 50 RA patients in the sample, of whom 35 test positive. In the first case, there will be 299 false positives, in the second case, there will be 29 false positives, in the last case there will be 1 or 2 false positives. --NorwegianBlue talk 22:57, 12 April 2012 (UTC)


Can you turn up the volume of the files File:Fr-Normandie-Marseille.ogg, File:Fr-Normandie-badminton.ogg and File:Fr-Normandie-gentleman.ogg please ? Fête (talk) 21:21, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

I haven't got the time right now, but I'll have a look in the weekend. Please note that you can do this yourself, if you're on a Mac, Windows or Linux PC. You can download Audacity here. The menu option you need is called "normalize". I think "Normalize" is in the "edit" menu, but I can't check that right now as I'm writing from an Android tablet. If you go to youtube and search for audacity normalize volume, you'll find several tutorials. --NorwegianBlue talk 19:34, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Can you turn up the volume of the file File:Qc-casse-tête.ogv please ? Fête (talk) 14:24, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I haven't had the time - I've been busy with work all weekend. Please read my instructions above and have a go at it yourself. It's very easy, and fixing the files is done in less than a minute. The trouble is, the uploading of the files is rather cumbersome, due to all the copyright restrictions. Forms and such, that take a lot longer than doing the actual audio conversion. Nevertheless, if you succeed in fixing the files, please take the extra effort to upload the improved sound files, so that others will benefit from your work! --NorwegianBlue talk 22:16, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Laboratory tests[edit]

Happy to weigh in (I still have to give it a bit of thought), but I might be more helpful if you describe your criteria for "legitimacy" of testing, or the purpose of the list! I gather you're looking for broad categories, rather than specifics. (For example, I suppose testing of radiation badges for those exposed to radiation in labs or the workplace might be considered "screening for avoidable disease", rather than listed separately as "screening for exposure to hazardous materials"). - Nunh-huh 01:54, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

The context is allergy testing, but yes, I'm looking for broad categories. It's for a talk on a specialized topic within laboratory medicine. I am considering contrasting the list of "valid" or "legitimate" reasons, with the list given in this paper:
Perhaps it would be a good idea to have a space on every laboratory form in which the doctor had to state exactly why he had ordered a test. I believe if answers were honestly filled in we might get this sort of thing:
(1) I order this test because if it agrees with my opinion I will believe it, and if it does not I shall disbelieve it.
(2) I do not understand this test and am uncertain of the normal figure, but it is the fashion to order it.
(3) When my chief asks if you have done this or that test I like to say yes, so I order as many tests as I can to avoid being caught out.
(4) I have no clear idea what I am looking for, but in ordering this test I feel in a vague way (like Mr. Micawber) that something might turn up.
(5) I order this test because I want to convince the patient there is nothing wrong, and I don't think he will believe me without a test.
The majority of requests we receive contain no clinical information at all. -NorwegianBlue talk 11:03, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi, NB - I missed the rest of the festivities due to a prolonged power outage (guess where I am), but did like the article (if you cite it, of course, it will inevitably be pointed out that it is ancient; you can reply it's ancient wisdom). On the other hand, I'm fine with physicians having a free hand in ordering, even if they use it for self-abuse.... One final thought that might be worth voicing: the most flagrant occurrences of the phenomenon you describe occur, in my experience, when a practitioner is improvising at the limits of his expertise. He knows the test sounds pertinent, but is unsure—in the penumbra just beyond the perimeter of his knowledge—exactly what it might mean or how to interpret it. And I think some of this may happen when he is about to send the patient to a specialist, and wants to provide a more complete "package" for the specialist to review. And I think that the way the orderer gets the impression that the test is pertinent is that he recognizes a term in the title of the test (or its description) in the catalog of the laboratory he orders tests from. I often get calls from colleagues who have forgotten the difference between IgG and IgM (as evidenced by their test ordering) and have forgotten exactly what a titer is.

I confess I looked up your test-which-no-longer-shall-speak-its-name-on-Wikipedia and can't imagine a circumstance in which I would order it. But perhaps that's because I'm not a specialist in the field and have a small imagination :) - Nunh-huh 00:45, 1 November 2012 (UTC)


Can you turn up the volume of the file File:Zh-ruǎn-alt.ogg please ? Fête (talk) 23:47, 13 December 2012 (UTC)

The sort button on youtube is no longer there[edit]

I looked in the filters and it's no longer there. please send me a link it. 03:00, 2 January 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Venustar84 (talkcontribs)

==I have go in to search filters but the sort options have changed: The search options seem to go by these: Upload date:

   This week
   This month

Result type:



   Short (~4 minutes)
   Long (20~ minutes)


   HD (high definition)
   Closed captions
   Creative Commons

And not by this anymore: "Sort by Relevance, Upload date, View count, Rating". Do you know how I can use the old search options? thanks! Venustar84 (talk) 17:56, 2 January 2013 (UTC)

The key between F major and G-flat major[edit]

These four songs are in the same key ? (talk) 00:28, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry, Fête, I cannot determine whether every song you might wonder about is at concert pitch or not, just like I couldn't turn up the volume of every sound file that you wanted a louder version of. I gave you instructions about how to turn up the volume, but you didn't appear to be interested in doing that, since you returned with further requests. If you are interested in instructions about how to determine whether a song is at concert pitch or not, please let me know. You'll need a Windows or Linux PC, with Audacity installed. I found a way of determining the pitch of the song using Audacity only, which worked for the song you asked about in your second question on the reference desk. --NorwegianBlue talk 09:24, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

This key is between F major and G-flat major, I think this key is modified with a machine. (talk) 10:44, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Notification of automated file description generation[edit]

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Letter to Mexico[edit]

Thanks bro! I can't believe someone framed me as a troll. As my understanding, someone has trolled the ref for a few weeks. They must have somehow connected me to that despicable troll. I don't even know who has been the troll, let alone being the troll. It's just ridiculous. All I wanted is the nice letter to my host family back in Mexico. This is how Wikipedians welcomed me... Anyway man, you're the only that was kind enough to translate the letter, and that's all I need. Thanks a lot again! I'll be out of here now. I don't feel welcomed in Wikipedia anymore. Have a good day! Bye! (p.s: And what I meant was: I will study aboard in Mexico for either 6 months or a year.) (talk) 05:50, 8 June 2014 (UTC)


Whereismylunch has been indeffed as the sock of a troll. I hatted which you answered. I'm letting you know in case you want to move your answer outside the hat. μηδείς (talk) 03:37, 20 December 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying me! I'm fine with leaving the answer inside the hat. --NorwegianBlue talk 11:38, 20 December 2014 (UTC)