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Penny Allen @ Ian mcEwan[edit]

Page deletion[edit]

Hey, I can't seem to edit the page 'The Porn Dude' any more because you deleted it. Can you fix that up please, thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Poundgroup (talkcontribs) 23:09, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

I deleted it because another editor suggested that it didn't meet the notability criteria for inclusion. A suggestion I agree with and also that the article was little more than an advert for the website. This was after another admin had deleted it for the same reason and you recreated it without considering why it had been deleted. I suggest that you read Wikipedia:Notability (web) and if you think the site is notable then you create an article through the Wikipedia:Articles for creation process where you can get feedback without risk of deletion.

I didn't even finish writing the article or including the relevant sources before you deleted it. Seems a little trigger happy for the both of you to just decide 'nah, this isn't good enough' before I've even completed its creation. It seems really impossible for new users to Wikipedia to even do anything without just getting shat on by people like you. Honest question: how many seconds did it take you to decide that the notability criteria wasn't met? Oh and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Don%27t_be_a_jerk - read it, jerk.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Poundgroup (talkcontribs) 23:23, 30 October 2014 (UTC)

Not many because I'm familiar the criteria and what should be there. If you can't post notability from the outset then you shouldn't post the article to mainspace but work it up as a draft first. Nthep (talk) 09:11, 31 October 2014 (UTC)

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Julian Smith MP[edit]

Nthep, you have deleted my recent addition to the page on Julian Smith MP on the grounds that "voting in line with a whip is hardly encyclopedic". It would have been more courteous to have discussed this with me first. You need to note two points. Firstly, this has been a very thin and basic page for a long time, with a specific request for more content. If you or another contributor comes up with better content, fine: but don't just delete stuff that is helping to flesh out a very skeletal page, unless you put better material in yourself. Secondly, the vote in question saw a large number of MPs of Mr Smith's party rebel. It is therefore a useful illustration of the extent of his party loyalty. An encylopedia is not just about dry facts but should include examples too, which may not in themselves be major facts but are illustrative. I am reverting your deletion. Zamedi

Then try putting it into context rather than a single statement and expecting others to make the connection between the last sentence and the preceding one. Better a stub with meaningful content than a longer one filled with random facts about the subject. Nthep (talk) 18:20, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Firstly, you have not explained why you discourteously deleted this addition without discussion, contrary to Wiki etiquette. That is not the behaviour of a responsible editor. Secondly, your description of my additions as "random facts" is a further discourtesy. The facts I have added are clearly not random and it is abusive to suggest they are. Such abuse is also not the sign of a responsible editor. Thirdly, I do not think it is unreasonable to expect readers to make a connection between two sentences in close proximity. Fourthly, if you consult other pages about British MPs, you will find many have very substantially more circumstantial detail than the few lines I have added to this stub: using those as a comparator, no responsible editor could possibly object to my changes. Zamedi

Read WP:BRD, not every edit has to be discussed to the nth degree before it is enacted. Picking two votes out of all those he has or could have made to establish a point about loyalty is close to cherry picking and/or could be construed by some as conducting original research, for the sake of clarity I would point out that I don't believe you have engaged in OR but that others could construe your edits that way. A simple statement to the effect that he has demonstrated a strong loyalty to the government line with a reference to theyworkforyou or publicwhip would suffice. You might also want to check out your statement that he opposes gay marriage as all the news stories point to the opposite. Yes, publicwhip shows him as a rebel because he voted for the bill which put him in a minority of Conservative MPs not because he opposed government policy - he may not have been completely in favour at the outset of the bill's progress through Parliament, I haven't checked, but that is not how he ended up voting and certainly not a view now expressed on his own website. On the seven occasions when a vote was held on the topic of gay marriage he voted in favour four times and was absent the other three as publicwhip shows. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a great point to rely on, we are discussing one article not all articles on MPs. Nthep (talk) 20:39, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

(Sigh.) I give up. I will delete the changes I have made. Feel free to delete this dialogue. Zamedi

Re: File:Hyperdimension Neptunia Re;Birth 1 cover.jpg[edit]

Okay, I was really wondering why you deleted the image because it says "Content is available under CC-BY-SA" in the page. Thanks for the explanation. --Cartakes (talk) 22:01, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

Answered at your own talk page. Nthep (talk) 22:06, 12 November 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. Now I know how to use its content. --Cartakes (talk) 22:20, 12 November 2014 (UTC)

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Copyright checks when performing AfC reviews[edit]

Hello Nthep. This message is part of a mass mailing to people who appear active in reviewing articles for creation submissions. First of all, thank you for taking part in this important work! I'm sorry this message is a form letter – it really was the only way I could think of to covey the issue economically. Of course, this also means that I have not looked to see whether the matter is applicable to you in particular.

The issue is in rather large numbers of copyright violations ("copyvios") making their way through AfC reviews without being detected (even when easy to check, and even when hallmarks of copyvios in the text that should have invited a check, were glaring). A second issue is the correct method of dealing with them when discovered.

If you don't do so already, I'd like to ask for your to help with this problem by taking on the practice of performing a copyvio check as the first step in any AfC review. The most basic method is to simply copy a unique but small portion of text from the draft body and run it through a search engine in quotation marks. Trying this from two different paragraphs is recommended. (If you have any question about whether the text was copied from the draft, rather than the other way around (a "backwards copyvio"), the Wayback Machine is very useful for sussing that out.)

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