User talk:OCNative

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DYK for Walton J. Wood

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 18:04, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Robert W. Naylor

Thank you Victuallers (talk) 02:03, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Monty the meercat

To say that that "in September 2007 Monty the meerkat (pictured)" would be lying because it is not Monty. Marcus Qwertyus 20:46, 12 March 2011 (UTC)

• Then, why is the picture file called File:Monty the meerkat.jpg? OCNative (talk) 02:52, 13 March 2011 (UTC)
  • It's photoshopped. Marcus Qwertyus 03:21, 13 March 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Becky Morgan (politician)

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:03, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Declined PROD: Suzie Wong (TV host)

I declined the PROD here based on the existence of sufficient Chinese-language sources to indicate at least a good shot at notability, I've added two for reference. I've got no issues if you'd like to take this to AfD, I just looked far enough to convince myself that it wasn't an obvious enough case for a PROD. Have a great weekend. --joe decker^{talk to me} 20:02, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Ralph Drollinger

Is it really worth it to keep all that information in the article? I'm worried that legal threats are going to start flying. Zagalejo^^^ 05:17, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

• NPOV requires that we not gloss over accurate negative information. Would we remove negative (but accurate) information from the Fred Phelps article for fear of theoretical legal threats? OCNative (talk) 20:57, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
  • In theory, no... but sometimes, we have to pick our battles. I just don't think the Drollinger battle is worth it. Zagalejo^^^ 05:59, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
    • Moot point now, as Osobhy has been blocked from editing Wikipedia. OCNative (talk) 06:36, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
    • I think to avoid problems the section should be shorter and read more netural, it sounds like someone has an agenda. Obviously his people have taken action with the last few people who signed up only to change the article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by YLinda (talk • contribs) 00:37, 10 April 2011 (UTC)
      • Neutral doesn't mean glossing over accurate negative information. "Obviously, his people have taken action with the last few people who signed up only to change the article" is an irrelevant argument as "his people" have been repeatedly blocked from editing Wikipedia for being sockpuppets. OCNative (talk) 01:14, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

Thing

Nice 10,000th edit. 43?9enter (talk) 07:10, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Disputed non-free use rationale for File:USC CA Sup Ct.jpg

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DYK for William A. Reppy

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Nuclear policy of the United States

Earlier you moved the hook for the article Nuclear policy of the United States to a prep area without its image. As the mentor of the student who wrote it for WikiProject United States Public Policy (under the Wikipedia Ambassador Program), I would like to make a special request to reconsider. I have raised the question at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Nuclear policy of the United States and have discussed this previously at User talk:PFHLai#Nuclear policy of the United States. Please respond at the talk page for the queue. – VisionHolder « talk » 14:40, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

• I have responded at Wikipedia talk:Did you know#Nuclear policy of the United States with: "I originally moved it to the Prep Area without the picture because I wanted to make sure the article was seen since it seemed to be of high quality and part of a long discussion. I have now moved it to Prep Area 4 with the picture." OCNative (talk) 22:12, 6 April 2011 (UTC)

King Cross DYK

Hi OCNative, I've responded to issues raised by you at King Cross. Schwede66 01:04, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK Daytona Cubs

I will consent to whatever is acceptable for publication. Gamweb (talk) 07:21, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Cathy Cochran

Hello! Your submission of Cathy Cochran at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 20:12, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of C.C. Bridgewater

Hello! Your submission of C.C. Bridgewater at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Yoninah (talk) 23:02, 13 April 2011 (UTC)

Please see new note on DYK talk page. Yoninah (talk) 20:00, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Warren Matthews

The DYK project (nominate) 16:04, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Craig F. Stowers

The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Charles Coiner

The DYK project (nominate) 16:02, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

James Kendrick Pyne

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DYK for Daniel J. Kremer

The DYK project (nominate) 06:03, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for George W. Milias

The DYK project (nominate) 00:02, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Allison H. Eid

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

25 DYK Medal

		The 25 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal
		Nice work! You have brought 25 of your newly created articles to the attention of the world, by way of the DYK section of the Main page. Your Stanford University-related biographies are a fine addition to Wikipedia. Thank you! Binksternet (talk) 03:51, 20 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for David Schuman

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

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DYK for Cathy Cochran

Materialscientist (talk) 18:02, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for C.C. Bridgewater

Materialscientist (talk) 18:03, 21 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Brian Morris (judge)

The DYK project (nominate) 18:05, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Mary Ellen Matthews

Thanks for taking a look at my hook. I've offered a new suggestion, plus I already had an alternate hook under 200 characters. If you could review them again and offer commentary it would be appreciated. Marchije•^speak/_peek 22:01, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

DYK for James C. Nelson

The DYK project (nominate) 06:02, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Renaming cases

Are you a lawyer or law student? Do you know how to rename the Rod Blagojevich corruption charges to a name like United States v. Scheinberg and convert the infobox?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 06:40, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

• No, I'm not a lawyer or law student, but my job requires working closely with the legal system, and I did take a few undergraduate law classes while in college. That, and way too many of my friends are lawyers. I will see what I can do with the Blagojevich page. OCNative (talk) 07:00, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Is it possible that you could summarize United States v. Blagojevich, 612 F.3d 558 (7th Cir. 2010) for the WP:LEAD and properly include the bolded 612 F.3d 558 (7th Cir. 2010) in the opening paragraph.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 13:21, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
    • That's actually an exceedingly boring procedural case on whether or not juror names could be kept confidential in the Blagojevich corruption trial. I'm fine with summarizing it, but I just don't think it's all that important for the article. OCNative (talk) 13:28, 26 April 2011 (UTC)
      • Oh. I thought it might be some sort of parallel case like the CIV and CR cases for Black Friday. Forget about it then.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 17:14, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘P.S. Please see Talk:Rod_Blagojevich_corruption_charges#Requested_move.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:35, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

thanks

I just wanted to say thanks for your efforts guiding the merge discussion for UIGEA. It may not have given you the best first impression of the ambassador program, but if you have any interest in it, I think you'd make an excellent ambassador. --Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 15:24, 26 April 2011 (UTC)

• Actually, my first impression of the ambassador program was via #Nuclear policy of the United States, which is an excellent new article. The fact that UIGEA is related to the ambassador program is what made me decide to intervene in the first place. Had it not been an ambassador program-related article, I would have left it to others to sort out. So what are the responsibilities and time commitment of an ambassador? OCNative (talk) 01:14, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
  • The time commitment for an Online Ambassador is a few hours per week. The main role of ambassadors so far has been to serve as one-on-one mentors for students. But we're changing that around considerably (probably) after this term... we'll try to find a small group of Online Ambassadors to help a whole class (preferably with some match between the ambassadors' interests and the subject of the class). The one-on-one thing is sometimes unsatisfying, because individual students vary widely in how engaged they are with Wikipedia and how responsive they are to mentors. So next term, ambassadors will sign on to support one or more classes (if they want to), and then answer questions and give help when asked, and in general watch out for the whole class and bring up problems to the instructor and/or Campus Ambassadors. You can poke around at Wikipedia:Ambassadors to see what what's been going on lately.--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 15:30, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
    • This looks like something I'd be up to doing. Once the new format is settled for the next semester/quarter, please let me know about the format, so I can see if I'd still be able to join up. Thanks! OCNative (talk) 16:35, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
      • I encourage you to join now, and you can decide how much to get involved (or whether you need to sit out, or whatever) next term. We still need help for the last few weeks of this term, too.--Sage Ross - Online Facilitator, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 20:34, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks - fixed

I wanted to say thanks for alerting me to the problem with the hook for my DYK. It is my first article, so I am still learning. I fixed iron the page. Is there anything else I need to do? Thanks. Tstaudt (talk) 15:23, 27 April 2011 (UTC)

• The date checks out, as does the length since you massively expanded it (way over the minimum requirement of a quintuple expansion). The only impediment to DYK approval that I see is there are not enough citations. There needs to be at least one citation per paragraph, and it looks like roughly half the paragraphs are uncited. I'm guessing that the information in each of your paragraphs is covered by at least one of your existing 34 sources, so if that is the case, see WP:REFNAME on how to link multiple places to a source. If you'd like to see a short example page, you can experiment with Notre Dame – Stanford rivalry, which I created a few months back and where I repeatedly cited a Notre Dame game notes page and the Stanford media guide (that page has multiple citations per sentence, but that is far beyond the minimum; you can see more typical citation rates at George W. Milias or C.C. Bridgewater). OCNative (talk) 16:06, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
• I fixed the citations. I didnt realize that for a court case I should keep citing the ruling, for each and every part. If there is anything else, let me know. Thanks (So are you an ND fan or Stanford?)Tstaudt (talk) 22:06, 27 April 2011 (UTC)
  • I've reviewed Prometheus Radio Project v. FCC and approved it on the suggestions page. From this point, it still needs to go in the queue before appearing on the Main Page as an official DYK entry. Judging by the number of DYKs currently, I would estimate that the entry will spend 2-3 more days on the suggestions page and then another 2-3 days in the queue. The article should be fine, but occasionally, articles have been pulled from the queue (I've had one of mine pulled before), so it's still possible, but you have cleared the biggest hurdle. Also, I don't know what the scope of your class assignment is (and this isn't required for DYK), but it would be helpful if you added citation templates to the references to match them to the Wikipedia notation; the three that seem most relevant to the article would be {{cite court}}, {{cite journal}}, and {{cite web}}. Additionally, adding the {{Infobox COA case}} to the article would also be helpful (see an example of what the infobox looks like at United States v. $124,700 in U.S. Currency) but again not required. By the way, I'm a loyal Stanford alum and fan, and even more to your chagrin, I got my master's at USC. OCNative (talk) 07:53, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Autopatroller

Hi OCNative, just wanted to let you know that I have added the autopatrolled right to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature should have little to no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the patroller right, see Wikipedia:Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 20:20, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

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lube noob listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Lube noob. Since you had some involvement with the lube noob redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion (if you have not already done so). 65.93.12.8 (talk) 04:34, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Code of the Secret Service

Thanks from me and the DYK project Victuallers (talk) 18:02, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

Official date that Ignatieff loses title "Leader of Opposition"

Hi OCNative. I noticed that you reverted edits at both Jack Layton and Michael Ignatieff relating to the start/end of term as Leader of the Opposition.You seem to be well-informed about Canadian politics. Why did you pick May 30, 2011 as the day that Layton takes over as the official Leader of the Opposition? I know that the results of the election are not officially released by Elections Canada until May 24, 2011. Are you saying that Parliament will be recalled a week after that? I have seen nothing to that effect, at least not in writing. What is wrong with putting May 2, 2011, as the day Layton becomes the new Leader of the Opposition, as it already states that here: Leader of the Official Opposition (Canada)? There seems to be a lack of agreement on this issue. Maybe you can help me out here. --Skol fir (talk) 08:19, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

This proclamation by the Governor General summons Parliament to meet on May 30, 2011. OCNative (talk) 08:37, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

If I understand correctly, you are saying that Ignatieff is still Leader of the Opposition until then? What if Parliament had to be recalled earlier for some reason. Would Ignatieff still be able, without having a seat in Parliament, to act in the capacity as Leader of the Official Opposition? I think not. You are mistaking the first day of the new session of Parliament as the day that the job begins, for Layton.

Officially Layton would be the Leader of the Opposition today, if a crisis arose where Parliament had to be recalled earlier than expected. This has a precedent in 1988. On that occasion, Parliament was summoned to meet only three weeks after the general election, so the list of elected Members was not tabled by the Clerk until the fourth sitting day (Journals, December 15, 1988, pp. 26‑33). In other words, officially, the Leader of the Opposition today (May 3) is already Layton, not Ignatieff. The only reason Parliament was set to reopen on May 30, 2011, was to give everyone a reasonable time to move in or out of their offices, and/or residences before the day of opening. It does not mean that Ignatieff keeps the job until May 30, 2011. There is nothing in the proclamation about that issue. --Skol fir (talk) 09:16, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

No, no that wasn't I meant; my response to you was too short and incomplete. What I mean is Ignatieff is Leader of the Opposition until the next day Parliament meets. They're not expected to meet until May 30, per the proclamation. If they were recalled sooner, then Layton would become Leader the first day the 41st Parliament meets. OCNative (talk) 09:29, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

That makes sense. Both of them are literally in a state of limbo right now. Neither of them is actually Leader of the Opposition at this moment, because Ignatieff can't claim that title (having lost his seat and the Liberals being relegated to third-party status) and Layton can't claim it until Parliament meets again. Wonderful state of affairs, that is!! --Skol fir (talk) 09:37, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

You bring up a really interesting point: I wonder when was the last time a Leader of the Opposition actually lost his seat in Parliament. OCNative (talk) 09:55, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Now you are making me work too hard! I will have to go back to 1867 and start from there, as I don't think anyone has kept that statistic. I'll get back to you in a month! :-) --Skol fir (talk) 10:03, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

It took less time than I thought. The answer is -- Never! From what I can see, looking at the list of Leaders of the Opposition since 1869, it appears that not one of these rogues has ever lost his seat in an election, while acting as Leader of the Opposition. Some have resigned, for various reasons, but never lost their seats involuntarily.

I stand corrected. There is one example noted by Rupertslander in Michael_Ignatieff#Leadership -- Sir John A. Macdonald being defeated in his own riding of Kingston in 1878, even though the Conservatives went on to win the election, making him Prime Minister. He then had to stand for election in Victoria, which he won.--Skol fir (talk) 21:12, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

So, do we still list Ignatieff as Leader of the Opposition until Layton takes over? He is like a King without a Crown! lol --Skol fir (talk) 10:46, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

I propose we shut down Wikipedia until the Canadian parliament meets. :P Though this isn't directly connected, Ignatieff refuses to resign as Leader of the Liberal Party. This is quite a state of limbo. OCNative (talk) 10:59, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

We could put a footnote after his title "Leader of the Opposition" -- ^[fn]Technically, Ignatieff can no longer be called the Leader of the Opposition, as he has lost his seat and second-party status all in one election. However, not to rain on his parade, we are going to leave the poor man alone, and let him fade away without much fanfare. Let him think he is still "the boss." It is a small consolation prize to tide him over into the next political reincarnation. --Skol fir (talk) 11:19, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

It appears that "SheaSheaShea" has taken the matter into his own hands and let the guillotine fall at Michael Ignatieff. "Knit one, pearl two." (Reference to A Tale of Two Cities). --Skol fir (talk) 11:25, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Wouldn't he still hold the title until the return of the writ? OCNative (talk) 11:30, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

OCNative, I just asked "SheaSheaShea" to join our discussion. He might have the answer to your question. --Skol fir (talk) 11:41, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ It might also be useful to copy this discussion to the relevant Talk Page for Michael Ignatieff. I noticed that 117Avenue agrees with you on this. In answer to your question, we don't need Ignatieff to hold that title, until the return of the writ, because he is a lame duck anyway. --Skol fir (talk) 11:53, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

Interesting, Leader of the Official Opposition (Canada) currently lists the post as vacant. OCNative (talk) 00:53, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK nom: Women in Vietnam

What am I suppose to review here per your comment? Please clarify. Thanks.-AnakngAraw (talk) 02:13, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

• Per #5 of Wikipedia:Did you know#Selection criteria, you need to review someone else's DYK nomination since you have more than 5 DYK credits. This also applies to your other self-nominations. OCNative (talk) 02:18, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Done for all. - AnakngAraw (talk) 03:59, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Anzac Avenue

Whoops, yes I am. Lankiveil ^{(speak to me)} 08:29, 4 May 2011 (UTC).

DYK for White House Press Secretary

The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

List of La Sierra University Presidents

Please explain this edit at T:TDYK. Thanks. Materialscientist (talk) 00:34, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

I actually posted my comments a couple minutes ago. Do you think that explanation works, or do you think it's a good idea I elaborate further? OCNative (talk) 00:37, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

Minneapolis wireless internet network

Sorry, I couldn't find the entry at the DYK page anymore. The nominator made some adjustments after my comments. I guess I forgot to respond. I'm fine with the lead as it is now. Hybernator (talk) 02:05, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

• Looking at the page history, an admin promoted it directly to the DYK queue after I wrote to you but before you saw it. Since you're fine with it, and that was the only thing left holding it back, then we should let it be in the queue in peace. OCNative (talk) 02:10, 9 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Pitkin County Courthouse

Hello, I responded to your query at my talk page by adding some text DIFF HERE at Talk:DYK. Best -- Health Researcher (talk) 18:11, 10 May 2011 (UTC)

Ghana Refugee Board DYK

Thanks for you review so far. I have addressed the issue raised by AshLin. Could you please re-review it again and possible accord the right tag to the DYK. Thanks. -- CrossTempleJay  talk 12:50, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

I just saw your message, and this is now moot, as AshLin signed off on it after you posted your message to me but before I saw it. Congratulations! OCNative (talk) 23:38, 11 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Bernard Trottier

The DYK project (nominate) 18:03, 12 May 2011 (UTC)

My DYK Medal

I'm not sure if you would have seen the thanks I gave at my talkpage so I'll add them here as well. The medal itself may be a bit of a trinket but your wording was thoughtful and greatly appreciated. Many thanks - Basement12 (T.C) 01:12, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

• You're welcome. I figure if I can't say something thoughtful when awarding the DYK medal, then someone else should award it, as acknowledging a mere count without acknowledging quality defeats the spirit of DYK. OCNative (talk) 01:16, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Mathieu Ravignat

The DYK project (nominate) 12:03, 13 May 2011 (UTC)

Second Opinion

Hi OCNative. I was wondering if you could give a second opinion at Template talk:Did you know#Sanjak of Prizren. Do you think that we should use the Swahili clause? I am contacting you because you are very active with DYK and seem to be online now. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:11, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

• I gave a much longer than expected answer. In short, let's use the Swahili rule. Thanks for your willingness to seek a second opinion, and thanks for your kind words about me! OCNative (talk) 12:36, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

• You're very much welcome, and I've seen you do great work there. I have not had much experience on AfD yet (only 5 individual noms so far) and greatly value your willingness to help me when I get confused. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:43, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

Wellington R. Burt

Thanks for the DYK wording, the 200 char limit gave me trouble finding the right words to get it all in grammatically correct and factually accurate, it's like Scrabble with added dimensions. Green Cardamom (talk) 15:54, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK medal

Thank you very much for the 25 DYK medal. It was unexpected and nice to see when I turned on my computer this morning. Finetooth (talk) 16:26, 14 May 2011 (UTC)

• You're welcome and you deserved it. OCNative (talk) 00:13, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

Speedy deletion declined: Guild Software

Hello OCNative. I am just letting you know that I declined the speedy deletion of Guild Software, a page you tagged for speedy deletion, because of the following concern: There is sufficient context to identify the subject of the article. Thank you. Salvio ^{Let's talk about it!} 14:12, 15 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Charmaine Borg

The DYK project (nominate) 06:04, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Matthew Dubé

The DYK project (nominate) 06:04, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Mylène Freeman

The DYK project (nominate) 06:05, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Laurin Liu

The DYK project (nominate) 06:06, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Jamie Nicholls

The DYK project (nominate) 06:06, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Pierre-Luc Dusseault

The DYK project (nominate) 06:07, 16 May 2011 (UTC)

Question about hall of fame (Badai Pasti Berlalu)

Can I still 5x the author's article and add it to the nom? Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:40, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

• Yes, most definitely. I count 455 prose characters, so you'll need to get it to 2275 prose characters. OCNative (talk) 12:47, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks. I will get right on it. Thankfully it's not Michael Crichton or Tom Clancy... Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:58, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

• or William Shakespeare! I actually got my first Hall of Fame entry with the six articles above, thanks to newly elected members of the Canadian parliament. I'm just glad a whole bunch of political long-shots were elected because a) they got lots of news coverage from their unlikely election making it possible to write articles on each of them and b) most credible politicians already have substantial articles before they reach a national legislature. OCNative (talk) 13:05, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that was very nice. I was quite surprised to see 5 university students elected. Okay, time to get cracking. Thanks again! Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:12, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

I have finished 5x-ing it. Not sure how to work it into the hook properly though. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:23, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Adding the Marga T article to the hook was easy since you already had the article linked in the hook; it only required bolding Marga T in the hook. The first three changes in this diff are all that were necessary to add Marga T to the nomination. I have to run right now, so hopefully, someone else will review it, but if no one does, I'll review it myself later. OCNative (talk) 14:37, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

So the bots can still see it? I was worried about that. BTW, I noticed you changed my review from Hermann Kasack to Hermann Kasack, Die Stadt hinter dem Strom. Does a review of a multiple nomination only count as one? Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:45, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Ahhhhh, that template is what I would have missed had I done it. Nice to know. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:51, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Referenced the article some more. Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:43, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Barnstar

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		I hereby grant thee, OCNative, this Barnstar of Diligence for thy never-ending patience and willingness to help myself and other editors, be they new or old, at the Did You Know? suggestions board. May thy nominations grow ever bolder! Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:42, 18 May 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the barnstar! I truly appreciate it. OCNative (talk) 01:59, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

You deserve it. Cheers! Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:08, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

Opinion on Prep

Hi OC, I was just wondering if you could give me some feedback on Template:Did you know/Preparation area 2. It's my first prep and I was wondering how badly I blew it. Thanks! Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:16, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

• It looks fine; you did a good job. I'm assuming that you favored older hooks over newer hooks (after accounting for geographic and topical diversity). Since there's several quirky hooks in the set, I'm also assuming you found the Fudai, Iwate floodgate was the quirkiest (since sets should try to include a quirky hook as the last hook). I would note that it's okay to have multiple U.S. hooks and multiple biography hooks, under J3 of Wikipedia:Did you know/Additional rules. OCNative (talk) 02:31, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

You're right, I took them in order from oldest to newest on the talk page and then ordered them on the page. I wanted to avoid being Western-centric, so I skipped some noms that were about Europeans and Americans. The Fudai one seemed to have the most oomph to me, because it has not been long since the tsunami. Thanks for taking a look. Cheers! Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:29, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Discussion that involves you

This is a courtesy notice to say that I've commented on one of your actions at Wikipedia talk:Requested moves#Procedural closes of RMs. Dpmuk (talk) 09:33, 20 May 2011 (UTC)

Just wanted to say thanks

For all your help with Glossary of association football terms. It's been a bit of a change of pace from my usual routine of creating an article on my own, in my own time, in one edit, nominating the obvious hook, reviewing another article, and half the time not even needing to address issues. Still, it's great to know that the collabourative nature of Wikipedia is still alive and kicking. Thanks again! —WFC— 07:52, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

• I'm happy to help! After all, what's the point of acquiring knowledge about a process if I don't use that knowledge to help others? OCNative (talk) 07:55, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

Kartam Joga

Hi OC, Just noticed your comments on Kartam Joga over at T:DYK and posted a response; sorry I didn't catch them sooner. Let me know if I've addressed your concerns. Thanks, Khazar (talk) 21:13, 23 May 2011 (UTC)

Oops.

Thanks for reverting that snafu at DYK. How the heck did that happen? Note to self... don't do any edits like that 5 minutes after waking up. Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:37, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

To be completely honest, I wouldn't have noticed that if it weren't my hook! OCNative (talk) 07:10, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Thankfully you did catch it. I think I ec'd myself and then ended up deleting both :-s Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:30, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Rick Welts

The DYK project (nominate) 08:04, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Nazi talking dogs

Hi OC, I thought your ALTs were pretty good, but I was wondering if you could weigh in on mine. It's insane, yet sourced. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:40, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

• I've commented to the effect of "They're all hilarious!" OCNative (talk) 12:50, 27 May 2011 (UTC)
  • LOL, thanks. Shame it wasn't closer to April 1. Crisco 1492 (talk) 12:56, 27 May 2011 (UTC)

Main page + DYK Question

Hi OC, I am in the middle of working on a 19 or so article hook (still in the early stages, only one and a half down) but will be going to Lampung in a couple of weeks. I was wondering if there is a way to see our hook as it was on the main page after its time in the sun is up. I may not have access to the internet while in Lampung, but I usually take screenshots of my hooks in DYK. Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 00:18, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Unfortunately, I don't know of any archive of screenshots of DYK or of the main page. The closest thing is Wikipedia:Recent additions, but that's more a list of DYK sets; it doesn't have the full screenshot that displays exactly how it appeared on the main page nor does it show what Today's featured article, In the news, and On this day looked like when the DYK ran. Sorry, I don't have better news on this one. OCNative (talk) 07:56, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Okay, thanks. I've decided that running a five article hook ASAP and finishing the rest when I get back from Lampung would be best. Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 08:07, 29 May 2011 (UTC)

Re: striking comments

Thanks for striking rather than removing. Have a good evening. Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 04:40, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

Hi OCNative, I'd like to thank you for your kind involvement in the article, the article's talk page and DYK. Best wishes.--Mbz1 (talk) 05:51, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK for John Lipsky

The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Nazi talking dogs

Hello! This nomination was moved to prep area with alt6, but alt6 is not in the article because I removed the info after I contacted the author. May I please ask you to consider commenting on another alt that is not about the dog named Rolf? Thank you.--Mbz1 (talk) 20:09, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for SDUSA

I replied at the DYK:Suggestion page.  Kiefer.Wolfowitz 08:37, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

re DYK nomination of The Commitment: Love, Sex, Marriage, and My Family

I proposed an ALT1 hook, diff.

1. It is still within the character limit for hooks.
2. It is still confirmed by secondary sources within the article.
3. It satisfies your suggestion for additional clarity within the hook itself.

Hopefully this is satisfactory to you, and the hook can now be confirmed, again? -- Cirt (talk) 06:34, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. -- Cirt (talk) 06:38, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

No problem. Thanks for the quick response! OCNative (talk) 06:39, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Talkback

Hello, OCNative. You have new messages at Crisco 1492's talk page.
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Talkback

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Thanks for the help

Thanks for the help on Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mariano Zagone. It was my first deletion try.--Vic49 (talk) 00:53, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

• No problem. I was happy to help. For future reference, you can use WP:AFDHOWTO as a guide. OCNative (talk) 00:59, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

... in women's ice hockey

Thanks for the catch. I struck my comment about on being the ALT of the other. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 07:11, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

• No problem. It's a completely understandable mix-up due to the single character difference in 2010 vs. 2011. There was a similar mix-up not too long ago due to the near-simultaneous DYK nominations of Julien Hoffman and Julien Hoffmann. OCNative (talk) 09:31, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Still, it was an "oops" moment, so thanks. By the by, glad to know another from the OC is aboard Wikipedia. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 17:22, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

• With 3,000,000+ people in OC, I would hope there'd be quite a few of us editing Wikipedia! :P OCNative (talk) 08:10, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

A couple questions

Hi OC, I have a couple questions. First, is the The 25 DYK Creation and Expansion Medal for 25 hooks or 25 articles? Second, could you give me your opinion on the 5 article hook that starts with Jurang Pemisah? It is a rather long hook (275 chars), but I think C3 may apply. Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:20, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

• The medal's for 25 articles. I loved awarding one to Bobrayner after he created a 25-article hook. I'll take a look at Jurang Pemisah, et al. OCNative (talk) 09:33, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
  • I'll congratulate Bobrayner. Wow OC, you're up late; isn't it like 11 pm over there? Thanks for the help. Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:36, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

• That's a first: I got an edit conflict on my own talk page. Since you replied below, I'll split my original response between your two comments.
  Uh, Bobrayner's hook was a month ago. Oh, it's much later than 11 PM, but I'm a night owl, and my work hours are somewhat variable. Plus, I've developed this weird habit over the years of sleeping ~6 hours during the week and sleeping longer on weekends. OCNative (talk) 09:55, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

I noticed, but better late than never. As for the time... Darn. Freedom must be nice. Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:59, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

• I love that you created a redirect based on our conversation. The grass is always greener on the other side of the fence: while I have more freedom now, my paycheck came at consistent times in consistent amounts when I worked a more structured 9–5 job. OCNative (talk) 10:17, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

• Thank you, thank you. <bows> True enough about the grass. Crisco 1492 (talk) 10:20, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
• Thanks OC. Wasn't sure if C3 applied to just the article's name or the descriptor. Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:51, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

• No problem on the help; I'm happy to do so. OCNative (talk) 09:55, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Cheers! Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:59, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

In an aside, I never heard of DYK medals... and I'm at 61.[1] Are they for nominating articles, or for creating and expanding them? Or are they for having as many links in a nomination hook as possible? Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 17:27, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

• You can add yourself to Wikipedia:List of Wikipedians by number of DYKs. There's the "creation and expansion medals" and there's the "nomination" medals (for nominating other people's articles). The medals are given for 25, 50, 100, 200, 500, and 1000 articles. OCNative (talk) 08:10, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for the info.  :) Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 22:06, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Michael McFaul

Materialscientist (talk) 18:03, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Perp walk

Hi OCNative,

Thanks for sorting the perp walk image on Dominique Strauss-Kahn sexual assault case. I originally just copied across the existing image in Perp walk but didn't know I had to provide a new NFCC rationale for that article. It subsequently was deleted on that ground and I didn't know how to provide a new rationale so I thought just to upload a duplicate under a new name with a fresh rationale. The software did recognise the image (it must use digital fingerprints I suppose) but allowed me to upload anyway. I've since been told that all I had to was edit the exiting NFCC and add a fresh rationale article, as I see you or a colleague has. Grateful and sorry to be a nuisance.

It's been marked for deletion and I'm off to defend it. I think #7 WP:NFC#UUI is clear (it's the images that are being discussed) but WP:NFCC#8 is more questionable. FightingMac (talk) 13:08, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

• No problem. You weren't being a nuisance at all. It was a relatively easy and quick fix. OCNative (talk) 02:24, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Hi!

Hi! I see that you watch the today show and made your own template but got removed. Im sorry for that. But i put your template on my wiki (http://todayshow.wikia.com/wiki/Today_Show_Crew) it would be awesome if you could also help me edit my wiki. If you can then thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.72.186.75 (talk) 21:42, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion for WikiProject United States to support WikiProject US State Legislatures

It was recently suggested that WikiProject US State Legislatures might be inactive or semiactive and it might be beneficial to include it in the list of projects supported by WikiProject United States. I have started a discussion on the projects talk page soliciting the opinions of the members of the project if this project would be interested in being supported by WikiProject United States. Please feel free to comment on your opinions about this suggestion. --Kumioko (talk) 20:17, 17 June 2011 (UTC)

Your GA nomination of Ronald M. George

The article Ronald M. George you nominated as a good article has been placed on hold . The article is close to meeting the good article criteria, but there are some minor changes or clarifications needed to be addressed. If these are fixed within seven days, the article will pass, otherwise it will fail. See Talk:Ronald M. George for things which need to be addressed. RightCowLeftCoast (talk) 16:40, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

• I think I've addressed all your concerns, but please let me know if I've missed anything or misunderstood anything. Thank you for your review! OCNative (talk) 01:21, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

US National Archives collaboration

United States National Archives WikiProject

Would you like to help improve Wikipedia's coverage of topics related to the National Archives and its incredible collection? This summer, the National Archives—which houses some of America's most important historical documents—is hosting me as its Wikipedian in Residence, and I have created WP:NARA to launch these efforts. There are all sorts of tasks available for any type of editor, whether you're a writer, organizer, gnome, coder, or image guru. The National Archives is making its resources available to Wikipedia, so help us forge this important relationship! Please sign up and introduce yourself. Dominic·t 15:22, 22 June 2011 (UTC)

All Hyderabad Trade Union Congress

Hello. I have added a review to my DYK nom now. --Soman (talk) 18:13, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Battle of Kororareka

Hello! Your submission of Battle_of_Kororareka at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Kieran (talk) 20:19, 23 June 2011 (UTC)

• I have revised the article, and I believe addressed all the problems. Please let me know if I have missed anything. OCNative (talk) 01:11, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
  • Looks good, and marked as such. Good work! -Kieran (talk) 01:32, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
    • Thanks! OCNative (talk) 01:36, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Triple Crown jewels

Your majesty, it gives me great pleasure to bestow these Triple crown upon OCNative for your contributions in the areas of WP:DYK, WP:GA, and WP:FC. Thank you for all your contributions to the project! – SMasters (talk) 01:04, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

	This user has a triple crown.

DYK nomination of Demolition of Masjid al-Dirar

Hello! Your submission of Demolition of Masjid al-Dirar at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Here's the exact location of the nomination: Template_talk:Did_you_know#Demolition_of_Masjid_al-Dirar. --Philcha (talk) 09:04, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Peace Treaty of Wiener Neustadt

Hello! Your submission of Peace Treaty of Wiener Neustadt at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Kieran (talk) 19:41, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Non-Free rationale for File:JamesRolph.jpg

Thanks for uploading or contributing to File:JamesRolph.jpg. I notice the file page specifies that the file is being used under Non-Free content criteria but there is not a suitable explanation or rationale as to why each specific use in Wikipedia is acceptable. Please go to the file description page and edit it to include a Non-Free rationale.

If you have uploaded other Non-Free media, consider checking that you have specified the Non-Free rationale on those pages too. You can find a list of 'file' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "File" from the dropdown box. Note that any non-free media lacking such an explanation will be deleted one week after they have been tagged, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. If the file is already gone, you can still make a request for undeletion and ask for a chance to fix the problem. If you have any questions please ask them at the Media copyright questions page. Thank you. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 11:10, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK

Approved Mangal, but see comments on Ian Agol nom. BarkingMoon (talk) 12:42, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Japanese migration to Thailand

Hello! Your submission of Japanese migration to Thailand at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! AnakngAraw (talk) 23:19, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Anasazi Heritage Center

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 26 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Battle of Kororareka

The DYK project (nominate) 00:03, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination for Baku Museum of Modern Art

Hello! Your submission of Baku Museum of Modern Art at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! -- Rcej (Robert) – talk 09:01, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

In response to your message, I checked the sources and brushed up the article a bit, then reported and proposed an ALT2. Hope it will help to reach a consensus; more searching for sources outside Azeri official channels would also be good, but right now I have to get off to San Francisco to copy an article from a book that's only available to me in the reference section of the main library there. Yngvadottir (talk) 17:22, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! It's been resolved due to your work. OCNative (talk) 10:24, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Epidemiology of syphilis

The DYK project (nominate) 12:02, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Civil Harassment Restraining Order

Calmer Waters 18:02, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Peace Treaty of Wiener Neustadt

Calmer Waters 18:03, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Annada Mangal

Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Ian Agol

Calmer Waters 06:02, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Nuku Hiva Campaign

Calmer Waters 06:03, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Demolition of Masjid al-Dirar

Calmer Waters 06:04, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Japanese migration to Thailand

The DYK project (nominate) 18:03, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

re:Baku Museum nom

Hi OCN. I would have commented on the issue, but it seems it was resolved before I saw it. I enjoy reading your articles, by the way, going to read the 1812 War one once I post this. Keep up the good work. Manxruler (talk) 18:42, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for the kind words, but in the interest of full disclosure, the War of 1812 one and most of my DYK nominations since mid-June are actually other people's articles, as I've been trying to encourage new editors (or at least new-to-DYK) by nominating their articles for DYK. I've largely taken a break from writing DYK articles myself to focus more on nominating other people's articles for DYK (though I'll still write one from time to time, of course). OCNative (talk) 10:28, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

• Ah, I see. That's a very nice of you. Variety is of course important. Good job. Accidentally somehow removed most of your talk the first I made this comment. Sorry. Manxruler (talk) 06:50, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Stefan Kuryłowicz

The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Expedition of Surad ibn Abdullah

The DYK project (nominate) 06:03, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK nom for Little Marton Mill

Hello! Your submission of Little Marton Mill at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Simon Burchell (talk) 21:23, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for History of Australian naval aviation

Materialscientist (talk) 05:50, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Baku Museum of Modern Art

Materialscientist (talk) 05:50, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for SS Silesia

Materialscientist (talk) 18:04, 30 June 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Bruce T. Halle Library

Materialscientist (talk) 00:04, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

Thanks for nominating my article on DYK. I have created another article recently called Demolition of Dhul Khalasa, will you kindly be able to create any nice facts from this? Let me know. Thanks --Misconceptions2 (talk) 01:31, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

• Hi Misconceptions2, my efforts to nominate new articles created by other users is actually an effort to try to introduce DYK to users who have not seen it before (due to the tight 5-day nomination timeline, that's why I nominated two of your articles; though I will admit, I'm not perfect, and in a few cases, have nominated articles that turned out to have been created by users who had several DYK credits). You can find instructions on how to nominate your own articles here. Welcome to DYK! OCNative (talk) 11:12, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Convoy HX 300

Materialscientist (talk) 08:04, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Reportedly haunted locations in Scotland

Materialscientist (talk) 16:04, 1 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Declaration of war by Canada

Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Mount Ida Plantation

Materialscientist (talk) 00:03, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Basaloid squamous cell lung carcinoma

Calmer Waters 08:02, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Abdulla Kurd

Calmer Waters 08:03, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK subpages

I'm sending this message to editors who commented at WT:DYK#Page restructuring and expressed an interest in setting up a subpage-based system for DYK nominations. If you have time, please see WT:DYK#New nomination setup and comment there. Thank you, rʨanaɢ (talk) 18:55, 2 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Henry Louis Larsen

Materialscientist (talk) 00:04, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Callao Affair

Hello! Your submission of Callao Affair at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Mjroots (talk) 05:28, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Little Marton Mill

Materialscientist (talk) 08:02, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for King Creole

Hello. You have new messages at Template talk:Did you know#King Creole.

--GDuwenTell me! 16:41, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

50 DYKs

Thank you! That's very pretty and very sweet. But isn't it a bit premature? 3 of 'em were dual noms, so I was only counting those once. --Yngvadottir (talk) 12:41, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

• I've always interpreted it as articles. I even gave Bobrayner one for a 25-article hook. From a linking standpoint, both the DYK Hall of Fame and DYKSTATS refers to the list of Wikipedians by number of DYKs (home of the DYK medals) as "for lists of users who have created or nominated the greatest number of DYK articles." From a policy standpoint, I believe DYK articles are always harder to create than DYK hooks, so I would award for articles rather than hooks. OCNative (talk) 03:20, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Angel Angel

Calmer Waters 00:03, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of SS Lanthorn

Hello! Your submission of SS Lanthorn at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Simon Burchell (talk) 12:30, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Jeremy Howard-Williams

Materialscientist (talk) 16:04, 5 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Denmark–Eritrea relations

Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Graham Leydin

Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Benjamin Wistar Morris, III

Materialscientist (talk) 08:03, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Alex McDonald (prospector)

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:03, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for West Ham United F.C. supporters

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:04, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Metro, Indonesia

Since you are after short hooks, you may be interested in ALT2 which is 3 characters shorter than the original. (BTW, if you are into linguistics could you give me some feedback regarding how it should be written? I have already posted a question at the nomination. Thanks!) Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:26, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Dicksonia Plantation

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for A. K. Chettiar

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for SS Lanthorn

Materialscientist (talk) 16:06, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for St Mary de Crypt Church

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:02, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for İncili Çavuş

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:03, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Battle of Leitzersdorf

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 08:03, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Battle of La Flor and Battle of Las Cruces (1928)

Hi OC, I just reviewed your nomination of Battle of La Flor and Battle of Las Cruces (1928) and have a very minor quibble, which I have written at the nomination. Once you have addressed it, feel free to change my review to a pass-AGF check if you want or contact me so I can do it. Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:14, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Callao Affair

Materialscientist (talk) 16:02, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Io as an X-ray source

Materialscientist (talk) 16:02, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Dorice Reid

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 08:05, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Octagon Chapel, Liverpool

Hello! Your submission of Octagon Chapel, Liverpool at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:01, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Battle of La Flor

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:06, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Battle of Las Cruces (1928)

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:06, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Iraq ed-Dubb

Thanks for helping the Did You Know project Victuallers (talk) 08:02, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Peter Raw

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 00:03, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Siege of Retz

—HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 16:04, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Virgin and Child with Four Angels

NW (Talk) 00:02, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for George Rowe (printmaker)

Thanks from the wiki Victuallers (talk) 08:03, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Re:The Teddy Bear Master

Just responding to your post on my talk page. Have looked at the entry for The Teddy Bear Master, but it seems to have been passed for DYK several days ago so I'm a bit confused. If there are issues with it though, please let me know and I'll look at it again. Cheers TheRetroGuy (talk) 08:32, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

• I was just providing the courtesy notice. The issue there is what PFHLai raised: users who have at least 5 DYK credits are required to review another DYK nomination when they do self-nominations. You just need to do a review. OCNative (talk) 08:37, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

• Ok, I didn't know this, and now I see I've been getting away with it for several months. :) I'll take a look a bit later on, probably this afternoon. Cheers TheRetroGuy (talk) 08:44, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

• Have reviewed a couple of articles now. I'll review more over the next few days though to make up for all the ones I've missed out on. Cheers TheRetroGuy (talk) 17:59, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Fokker FG-2

Hi OC, I've taken a look at your nomination of Fokker FG-2 and it seems to be lacking a bit. Could you take a look at my comments and see if the problem is fixable? Thanks Crisco 1492 (talk) 17:36, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

I have brought it back from the vortex. Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:17, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks! I thought it'd be a bit of a conflict of interest if I just restored it myself. OCNative (talk) 05:22, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Badi Uzzaman

Gatoclass (talk) 08:04, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Paling in 't groen

Gatoclass (talk) 16:02, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Lee Corner

Gatoclass (talk) 16:03, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Octagon Chapel, Liverpool

Gatoclass (talk) 00:03, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Nickelodeon Fit

Gatoclass (talk) 00:04, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Hesperian (Mars)

Gatoclass (talk) 00:05, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Quercus geminata

EncycloPetey (talk) 08:03, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Tuttuki Bako

EncycloPetey (talk) 08:04, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Maupin Carbon Dragon

EncycloPetey (talk) 16:03, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Sarah Dixon (sternwheeler)

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Another one of this kind: see Hatula. Thanks for nominating those articles, Ucucha 22:12, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Aduston Hall

The DYK project (nominate) 08:02, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

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Fixed it. Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:22, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

And again Crisco 1492 (talk) 11:09, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• Good to go. OCNative (talk) 11:17, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK FC Augsburg and TSV 1860 München rivalry

Further sourcing provided, hope the article is up to standard now, thanks for letting me know, Calistemon (talk) 09:55, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

• Good to go. OCNative (talk) 11:17, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Aburatorigami

The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Jacopo Inghirami

The DYK project (nominate) 08:03, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Alpine (plantation)

The DYK project (nominate) 08:04, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Yakovlev AIR-3

The DYK project (nominate) 00:05, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Fokker FG-2

The DYK project (nominate) 08:04, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Russian ironclad Pervenets

Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 16:04, 19 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Zinaida Reich

Materialscientist (talk) 16:03, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Hatula

Materialscientist (talk) 16:04, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Population Estimates Program

Materialscientist (talk) 16:05, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Charles A. Ray

Gatoclass (talk) 16:23, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for East India Film Company

Gatoclass (talk) 00:09, 22 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Rugrats: Time Travelers

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DYK for Dundee Royal Infirmary

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:04, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

50 DYK Noms Barnstar

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DYK for Kapoeta South County

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:05, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Greater Kapoeta

Casliber (talk · contribs) 16:06, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Vincenzo Sarno

Gatoclass (talk) 08:05, 24 July 2011 (UTC)

July 2011 Newsletter for WikiProject United States

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DYK for Duke of Chicago

The DYK project (nominate) 08:05, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Hefaiston

The DYK project (nominate) 12:59, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Expedition to Lapland

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 21:11, 25 July 2011 (UTC) 21:56, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for William Anderson Coffin

Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 06:14, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Brian Leveson

Thanks from me and the wiki Victuallers (talk) 06:15, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Blood & Thunder: The Life & Art of Robert E. Howard

Thanks from the DYK project Victuallers (talk) 14:30, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Al ash-Sheikh

EncycloPetey (talk) 15:12, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Edward Hay Mackenzie Elliot

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DYK for Engelberg Huller Company

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 03:20, 29 July 2011 (UTC) 23:27, 29 July 2011 (UTC)

DYK nom for The Jeremy Kyle Show (U.S. TV series)

Hi OC, I've taken a look at your nomination and the hook seems to be wanting. Could you comment at the nomination at T:TDYK? Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 03:30, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK on Colas Group

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DYK nom of Active Life: Explorer

Hi OC, I have reviewed your nomination of Active Life: Explorer at T:TDYK and have a small quibble before I approve it. Could you reply there? Thanks. Crisco 1492 (talk) 13:10, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Oregon Slough Railroad Bridge

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 08:03, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Sarah Dixon (sternwheeler)

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 16:04, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Edward Hay Mackenzie Elliot

Materialscientist (talk) 00:02, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Parkes ministry (1878–1883)

Materialscientist (talk) 00:04, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Colas Group

Calmer Waters 00:03, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

DYK for The Jeremy Kyle Show (U.S. TV series)

Casliber (talk · contribs) 08:05, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

www.helium.com/users/490158

Hello, I've whitelisted www.helium.com/users/490158. I'm only sorry that the process took so long. (IFF you're interested, a bit of background). -- Hoary (talk) 01:13, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

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Welcome back!

Nice to see you're back after a month. You missed most of the epic wars at WT:DYK though... Probably better that way. Hope the new DYK didn't leave you too shell-shocked. Crisco 1492 (talk) 06:54, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

• Thanks for the welcome back message! Yeah, July started to get busy, and August was quite busy! (Yay, real-life money!) As you've noted, I'm back now. However, you will find I won't be spending too much time at DYK in the next few months, as I will be focusing on college football edits (I am a member of WikiProject College Football, after all). It has nothing to do with DYK politics or anything of that sort, in this regard, as you can see that I similarly spent last fall focusing on college football edits (though if a new college football article warrants it, I'll certainly put it up for DYK).
  It does look like it's a good thing I missed the DYK wars because it looks like the only changes that resulted from them from these two little sets of checkboxes: {{DYK hook checklist}} and {{DYK article checklist}}. I assume there were no wars over the subpages because they look pretty much like what had been peacefully discussed before my wikibreak. OCNative (talk) 04:58, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

• Subpages, no wars. Rjanag is a little fed-up with people who aren't reading the instructions, but that happens everywhere. The reviews have more explicit criteria, including paraphrasing checks, so that that was a pretty big change. Cbl62 has been busy with College Sports as well, apparently. Hopefully I'll see a few of your nominations coming through. Crisco 1492 (talk) 05:10, 10 September 2011 (UTC)

Interview with Wikimedia Foundation

Hi OC, I hope you're well. My name is Matthew Roth and I'm a Storyteller on the fundraising team at the Wikimania Foundation. In preparation for the 2011 fundraiser this November-December, I'm interviewing Wikipedians who contribute significantly to the projects. In the past, we've relied pretty heavily on Jimmy to carry the fundraising burden, and while his appeals have done very well, he alone doesn't represent the multitude of content creators on Wikipedia. I'm curious if you would like to interview with me? I would hope to speak with you for about 60 minutes and would ask you a number of questions about your personal experiences editing on Wikipedia and about its impact more generally. If you are inclined, please email mroth (at) wikimedia.org. Thanks! Matthew (WMF) 00:06, 28 September 2011 (UTC)

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You are in danger of breaching WP:3RR with your edits in the Adam Riess article. Please stop edit warring. Deterence ^Talk 11:34, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

• One reversion is nowhere near a danger of breaching 3RR nor is it edit warring. OCNative (talk) 11:37, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

• No problem. I actually agree with most of the edit your were trying to implement. I just don't know what you were reverting my small edit. Deterence ^Talk 11:43, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

• My reversion was because this edit wiped out my lengthier edits. If you're concerned about this edit being wiped out by my edit, you will see that I fixed that before the warning above was even posted. OCNative (talk) 11:50, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

ITN Notice

Jusdafax 06:12, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

ITN

It was nom'd FIRST here [2] which was WELL before thisLihaas (talk) 10:03, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

• There was no nom listed when I nom'd it here. OCNative (talk) 10:07, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Cool, i was lilk pissed too bt then saw the hist and dont blme. it was AGFLihaas (talk) 10:22, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

• To answer the question, he nominated way too early in an attempt to get ITN credit for it. I removed because he added a new day to the page, which messes up the bot that automatically does it. As an ITN regular, Lihaas should've known not too. Hot Stop talk-contribs 18:19, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

1934 rankings

OCNative, I noticed you recently made edits to Template:1934 SEC football standings and Template:1934 PCC football standings to "correct rankings". Where are these rankings from? The AP Poll didn't exist until 1936. Jweiss11 (talk) 06:28, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

The AP Poll has been continuous since 1936, but the first poll was in 1934. The notation on the templates said they were from the AP Poll, but the ranking numbers listed did not gel with this source, and I couldn't find any information that matched the previously-listed ranks, so that's why I changed the rankings. OCNative (talk) 06:36, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I didn't realize there had been a poll in 1934. I appreciate the heads up. Jweiss11 (talk) 06:40, 14 October 2011 (UTC)

Gigli at April Fools DKY

I have reviewed your nomination of Leonardo Gigli at Wikipedia:April Fool's Main Page/Did You Know, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thanks!--Found5dollar (talk) 19:32, 18 October 2011 (UTC)

• I've added an article from the Annals of Surgery that describes the saw's use in amputations. OCNative (talk) 04:13, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

• I replied at the April fools page as there is still an issue.--Found5dollar (talk) 13:13, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

• Per your request, I've added a more recent source. OCNative (talk) 00:09, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Standings Table templates

Something broke in those last edits so I had to revert your changes. I welcome any attempts to improve it, but it's transcluded on over 3,000 pages, so if you want to experiment on it, please use the sandbox and test cases. Thanks. DeFaultRyan 17:16, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

• I checked several pages that were using the template, and I didn't see anything that was broken. I've now plugged my changes into the two sandboxes, and both sets of test cases seem fine. Could you describe what was broken, so I can better ascertain what went wrong? OCNative (talk) 00:12, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
  • Somehow the alignment went all wonky. It seemed like the columns were all squished into the left half of the infobox. Could have been a weird freak incident, but if the test cases look OK, it's probably good to go. A good page to see a lot of these standings is 2011 NCAA Division I FBS football season#Conference standings. After you commit to the live template, I'd go there, purge the cache, and make sure it looks good. Not exactly sure what happened the other day, but I should have taken a screenshot. Thanks. DeFaultRyan 20:56, 21 October 2011 (UTC)
  • Looking at it again, and the test cases are messed up in Internet Explorer 8. (Not my browser of choice, but forced to use it sometimes). All the columns are shifted to the right. What I think is happening is that the division names and footers use a "colspan=99" parameter because they don't know how many columns they will need to span due to various combinations of winning percent, ties, division standings, etc. When the cell padding is nonzero, those extra 99 columns get rendered. It's possible that IE 8 is in the wrong, but it's a moot point with it being the single most popular version of a browser on the internet with 18% market share. Personally, I don't mind having the cell padding/spacing being zero, but if anybody wants it to be nonzero, then the division names and footnotes will need to calculate exactly how many columns it needs to span. Luckily, I put that logic into Template:Standings Table Start/colspan, so it's doable with some extra pass-through parameters - Standings Table End will need to know about ties, division standings, win percent, etc. DeFaultRyan 16:13, 24 October 2011 (UTC)
    • Alright, I think I'll just hold off for a while until IE 8 market share drops off although that'll be a couple years (IE 9 and IE 7 have equal market share right now). I wish people would just upgrade frequently. OCNative (talk) 00:11, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
      • Oh, believe me, as a software developer, I share your sentiment, especially when it comes to software that fails to conform to standards (IE 9 was a big step forward, but still falls short of Chrome). I think this is fairly telling. It seems to imply that as many as 25% of IE 8 users are only using it during the week at their workplace (as I am), which would then imply that most of the public are using more up-to-date technology at home than what their professional IT staff provide. Amusing. By the way, which browser were you using that displayed the test cases correctly? DeFaultRyan 15:48, 25 October 2011 (UTC)
        • I used Firefox 7, IE 9, and Chrome 14. I thought I had my bases covered but neglected the old version scenario. Your workplace commentary reminds me of the ridiculous time when my employer's IT finally upgraded us to IE 7 during the same month that I upgraded to IE 8. They narrowly missed being two versions behind by a couple weeks; I would have gone nuts back then if I had to use IE 6 at work and IE 8 at home. OCNative (talk) 00:58, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
        • I realize Chrome 15's only been out for a few hours, but to avert hypocrisy, I've upgraded. (The tables look fine there too.) @#&$ IE 8. OCNative (talk) 01:10, 26 October 2011 (UTC)
          • Been a few months, and IE8 continues to slowly erode. At least IE7 is in its death throes, and IE9 is narrowing the gap. IE 8 has now been passed by Chrome 16, but it's still the second most popular single version around, with a 16% share on workdays and a 12% share on the weekends. Still being forced to use it at work. I hate that piece of junk. DeFaultRyan 16:57, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

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Football standings date

It was my intention to update the date when all of today's games are over. Changing it before all of the games are in suggests, to me, that the standings are complete as of today's games, but they aren't. MrArticleOne (talk) 22:18, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

• The problem with doing that is if some of today's games are updated while the table still has the old date, there have been instances where some users think the earlier games aren't included, so if that happened today, you would see some users changing Nebraska to 8–1, for instance. In other words, updating today's earlier games while leaving the date from last week suggests that those earlier game's team's W-L records are from last week. OCNative (talk) 22:23, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
  • Maybe we just shouldn't put a date? MrArticleOne (talk) 22:32, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
    • That would require an across-the-board change of the standings tables standards, as the standings tables for all seasons in all sports have the date on them. Also, to elaborate on my previous concern, there have also been issues of no one updating the date even after all the games are over and a similar problem when people update the rankings but not the dates after the polls come out. OCNative (talk) 22:37, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Short hooks

You like short hooks, right? Check out ALT1. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:22, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

• That's pretty awesome and hilarious! (However, from a practical standpoint, I'm not sure any of the three alts would work well because I'm not sure people would click on a singular question mark without explanation.) OCNative (talk) 00:22, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Well, we could write Question Mark but then it would lose most of its hookiness. Glad you liked it; I was smiling while writing half the article just thinking of putting that ALT. Crisco 1492 (talk) 02:46, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Elena J. Duarte

The DYK project (nominate) 12:18, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

User:87...6

Hi. You are right; see the talk page. I have already un-blocked the user. Bearian (talk) 22:16, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Re: BLP & Sandusky scandal

Thanks for the heads up. I really appreciate the help! --Jtalledo (talk) 22:51, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Richard M. Sims, Jr.

Allen3 ^talk 00:14, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

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WP:STANFORD

You might have noticed that someone started a Wikipedia:WikiProject Stanford University‎ wikiproject. I got them to make a sports task force. Since I've seen you around a lot on the Stanford sports pages, I thought you might want to join the group in preparation for beating Cal this week (and licking our wounds from that other unmentionable game on Saturday). --Esprqii (talk) 17:57, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

• Thank you for telling me. I did not realize that had started. Even though you've seen me on the sports pages, I've done a lot more on alumni biographies, particularly judges and politicians. I've also added lots of alumni to List of Stanford University people. I'm definitely joining. OCNative (talk) 03:11, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

Well, clearly you're a more well-rounded and studious alum than I; I've just been mucking about the sports pages! ;-) Glad to have you join. --Esprqii (talk) 19:27, 16 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Elizabeth A. Grimes

Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 08:02, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

DYK for Christopher Cottle

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What a game

Indeed, a stunner. Does Lane Kiffin have a mouth full of dip?? Drmies (talk) 04:30, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

• Indeed, and Baylor's on the verge of knocking off Oklahoma too. What a crazy week. (It's probably a good idea for Kiffin to keep wearing that snowman clothing. It must bring good luck.) OCNative (talk) 04:32, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Hehe. It'll be all SEC (plus Boise State) at the top. You know I'm rooting for Bama. I still don't know how to feel about Kiffin--he was kind of an ass at UT--and I thought Oregon played great in the second half, but still--if all but one of those one-loss teams become two-loss teams (and Stanford is not having an easy game), I'll be happy. Take it easy! Drmies (talk) 04:41, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
  • I'm betting five bucks that you've already filled in the score for Oklahoma-Baylor--do they get the two-point conversion or not? Drmies (talk) 04:50, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
  • Holy moly. Well done Baylor. Now, if Arkansas can do something like that next week... Drmies (talk) 04:58, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
    • I had to step away for dinner (I'm on the West Coast, so it wasn't that late). I had the TV next to the dinner table on, but I didn't bring my computer. BCS #2, #4, #5, and #7 all lost this week. When did that many teams lose in the top 10? (And Stanford's 3rd quarter is fixing things.) OCNative (talk) 05:51, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

conference standings

First off, not all standings templates list the date. Second, ones that do I always update. Third, I don't change the date until every game from that day has been played because to me that would mean that it's updated for every game through that day. So please don't waste my time by putting useless reminders on my talk page. And as of right now the mountain west standings aren't even updated yet you changed the date, thus through November 19 Boise State is 8–1, which isn't true. So at least have everything updated before telling me to do it right.Bsuorangecrush (talk) 07:49, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

• Firstly, it was obviously implied that my reminder was only applicable to templates. Secondly, the only reason I posted the reminder is that you had updated the Mountain West football template without updating the date. Thirdly, the template documentation says the date should show when the standings table was "most recently updated." I updated the date of the Mountain West standings before the Boise State-San Diego State and the UNLV-Air Force games but after the Wyoming-New Mexico and TCU-Colorado State games. Finally, your hostile tone is completely unnecessary; I put a polite reminder, and you could have simply explained your disagreement without the invective. OCNative (talk) 08:06, 20 November 2011 (UTC)

rivalry game results tables

We had talked a while back at Talk:Big Game (American football) about adopting a standard format for rivalry game results tables for Pac-12 rivalry games. After an anon changed the Civil War format to yet another variation, I opened a discussion on the talk page. Would appreciate your thoughts there so we could try and implement a standard. --Esprqii (talk) 18:37, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

• Sorry for the delay in responding. I haven't been on Wiki as much with my new job. I've added my two cents to the discussion, though I fear I may have only further muddled the discussion. OCNative (talk) 06:50, 12 December 2011 (UTC)

Justice Duffy

I know that she's still listed on the Sixth District Web site, but she has retired. See, e.g., Community Water Coalition v. Santa Cruz County Local Agency Formation Commission (2011) 200 Cal.App.4th 1317. --Nlu (talk) 21:02, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

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Annual football conference season navboxes nominated for deletion at TFD

I have nominated all of the annual football conference season navboxes for deletion as I don't believe they are useful navigational tools. You can find the discussion here. –Grondemar 03:06, 5 March 2012 (UTC)