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File permission problem with File:Kuwait 25th Commando Brigade.jpg[edit]

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File permission problem with File:Sheikh Saud Nasser Al-Saud Al-Sabah.jpg[edit]

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File permission problem with File:Badge of Kuwait 25th Commando Brigade.jpg[edit]

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Welcome![edit]

Hello, OJOM, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Unfortunately, one or more of the pages you created, such as Mubarack Al-Abdullah Al-Jaber Al-Sabah, may not conform to some of Wikipedia's guidelines, and may not be retained.

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Referencing[edit]

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Speedy deletion nomination of Mubarack Al-Abdullah Al-Jaber Al-Sabah[edit]

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Possibly unfree File:Sheikh Mubarack Abdullah Al-Jaber Al-Sabah.jpg[edit]

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Possibly unfree File:Mubarack Abdullah Al-Jaber Al-Sabah.jpg[edit]

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File permission problem with File:Insign of 25th Commando Brigade.jpg[edit]

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Possibly unfree File:Sheikh Abdullah Al-Jaber Abdullah II Al-Sabah.jpg[edit]

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Better source request for some of your uploads[edit]

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File permission problem with File:Sheikh Mubarack Abdullah Al-Jaber Al-Sabah is his early 20's.jpg[edit]

Thanks for uploading File:Sheikh Mubarack Abdullah Al-Jaber Al-Sabah is his early 20's.jpg, which you've attributed to Kuwaiti Publications. I noticed that while you provided a valid copyright licensing tag, there is no proof that the creator of the file has agreed to release it under the given license.

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Wikipedia is not a reliable source[edit]

You cannot use another Wikipedia article as a reference. By definition, Wikipedia itself is not a reliable source. 69.181.253.230 (talk) 18:44, 18 December 2013 (UTC)

File permission problem with File:Sheikh Mubarack Abdullah Al-Jaber Al-Sabah in Kuwaiti military uniform in his early 20's.jpg[edit]

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Ongoing problem with references[edit]

You seem to have a long-term problem providing valid references. You cannot simply point to the first page of a huge website, be it the Kuwait website or one of their embassies, and expect people to be able to find and verify your citation. It simply can't be done. You need to either provide the exact page within that website or some other direct reference. 69.181.253.230 (talk) 20:44, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Response to " Ongoing problem with references"[edit]

First, greetings to yourself Sir. Then, much appreciation for your remark for which the content has been duly noted. However and rightly responding to your claim; proper references were duly provided on all articles edited by this user and as it stands; the proper references seem to have been removed invoking your logical and normal statement. Nevertheless, bear in mind that some of these websites are in Arabic and if not properly translated within a general context; the integrity of the historical factual information sequence can be lost in translation. The edits conducted by this user are related to Government Figures, Historical Governmental Facts and old Governmental History that could not afford to be incorrect information nor does it necessarly rely completely on references should the intergrity of the information be conserved on such an Esteemed Institution such as Wikipedia. The principle of the information edited is information correctness in valdity and authenticity. This user will accept any claim that justifies reasonably the incorrectness of factual information provided if any found to be contradictory OJOM (talk) 22:00, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

http://www.mod.gov.kw/MOD/Arabic_P/index.jsp says nothing about Mubarack Abdullah Al-Jaber Al-Sabah. Nothing. Find a source that does include information about him. 69.181.253.230 (talk) 22:33, 23 December 2013 (UTC)


Official Response[edit]

Sir; Information about Sheikh Mubarack Abdullah Al-Jaber Al-Sabah is already included on the Arabic wikipedia that was recently deleted from the English version created by this user. [1], Arabic wikipedia of Sheikh Mubarack Abdullah Al-Jaber Al-Sabah. Information are matching. Should the Arabic wikipedia hold the same correct information; then, the english version created by this user should still be applicable.

All information on Sheikh Mubarack Abdullah Al-Jaber Al-Sabah career are correct. For further validation.[2]; including images as well.

The Kuwaiti Ministry of Defense is the referenced career of any flag Kuwaiti Officer; included its 1st Lieutenant General. Such is Government Protocol. information on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mubarack_Abdullah_Al-Jaber_Al-Sabah is justified by the Kuwaiti Government that is officially represented by the official seal of the Governmentof Kuwait on the page of Sheikh Mubarack Abdullah Al-Jaber Al-Sabah.

Denial of the information listed in Arabic on websites would clearly ensinuate the lack of understanding of the langauge on behalf of a correctorOJOM (talk) 23:05, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

You are using false equivalency standards. Just because it is on the Arabic Wikipedia does not mean it should automatically be part of the English Wikipedia, especially if the sources do not comply with the English Wikipedia policies. 69.181.253.230 (talk) 23:19, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Sir, in light of authenticity with an Esteemed Institution; all languages would be logically universal as long as the facts are right, correct and true. More valid justifications for references have been duly added to Sheikh Mubarack Abdullah Al-Jaber Al-Sabah. In topic of a decorated, renowned, accomplished, monarch and Late Lieutenant General ; such validations of fine historical career facts should not be taking into effect at the expense of those that have accomplished much OJOM (talk) 23:40, 23 December 2013 (UTC)

Disputed non-free use rationale for File:Kuwait 25th Commando Brigade Emblem.jpg[edit]

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Thank you CindyOJOM (talk) 06:48, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Updated the file box with more valid reasoning and clarified permission status. Thank youOJOM (talk) 07:17, 24 December 2013 (UTC)

Image uploads – warning[edit]

You have received numerous talk page notices regarding your image uploads, nearly all of which have been lacking adequate information about their sourcing and licensing. Please consider the points below:

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  • You must give as much detailed source, date and licensing information as possible. A brief citation, such as "Kuwaiti Publications", does not provide sufficient source information.
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Please do not upload any more scanned photographs of this type unless you are certain that the source is freely licensed or in the public domain.

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Response[edit]

Good day Sir. the images uploaded were the same; however, the name of the article had to be changed from Mubarack Abdullah Al-Jaber A-Sabah to Mubarak Abdullah Al-Jaber Al-Sabah. the c in Mubarack had to be removed and accordingly all images related to the proper pronunciation had to be corrected accordingly. In such case; the same image was uploaded with correct spelling and a (#REDIRECT) was placed underneath each old spellingOJOM (talk) 09:39, 26 December 2013 (UTC)

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Request for Assistance[edit]

Good day. How do you change the File names of :

File:Sheikh Mubarack Abdullah Al-Jaber Al-Sabah amongst Kuwaiti Commandos in 1961.jpg

File:Mubarack Abdullah Al-Jaber Al-Sabah.jpg

to:

File:Sheikh Mubarak Abdullah Al-Jaber Al-Sabah amongst Kuwaiti Commandos in 1961.jpg

File:Mubarak Abdullah Al-Jaber Al-Sabah.jpg

the difference is the spelling of " Mubarack", it should be without a "c" and should read " Mubarak". Would appreciate any assistance in that regard. Thank you. (OJOM (talk) 09:36, 30 January 2014 (UTC)).

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Mubarak Abdullah Al-Jaber Al-Sabah[edit]

You seem to be treating the Mubarak Abdullah Al-Jaber Al-Sabah article as a memorial page for him. Please explain why the article should include links to tombs of unknown soldiers and images of these tombs and of bravery medals, especially as he was not awarded these medals himself. Please also look at Prince William, Duke of Cambridge, Frederik, Crown Prince of Denmark, Hussein of Jordan, Farouk of Egypt, Nicholas II of Russia, Willem-Alexander of the Netherlands and Abdullah of Saudi Arabia. They all use "he" and they all generally use their honorific or name, but not both, after listing full titles and honours once at the top of the article. Please explain why this article should follow a different style to all the other articles. Please also do not put so many links to an article, in general there should only be one link to another topic in an article. Military of Kuwait had more than sixty links to Kuwaiti Armed Forces, which is a redirect back to Military of Kuwait anyway. Also, "Martyred" is a non-nutral term and is unsuitable for an encyclopaedia. I can also only repeat the comments of others above, posting a link to the home page of the Kuwaiti MOD as a reference is useless, even to someone speaking arabic. If there is a biography of Mubarak Abdullah Al-Jaber Al-Sabah, somewhere in that website, you should use the URL for that page as the source, not the Home page. The same goes for the other articles you have been editing - they all have the MOD website home page as sole reference, which is as I have said useless; it is like using http://aviation-safety.net/database/ as a reference for the Malaysia Airlines 370 article, instead of using http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20140308-0 YSSYguy (talk) 09:43, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

Good day to you Sir and many thanks to your concerns which have been duly noted.His Excellency Sheikh Mubarak Abdullah Al-Jaber Al-Sabah is also a recipient of other non Arab military decorations not listed in this article. As far as the heroics of the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier and their respective medals; these are listed in " See Also" Category which is not necessarily claiming that His Excellency Sheik Mubarak is specifically awarded one of them but other medals of similar categories. In addition to non Arab military decorations not listed; His Excellency Sheik Mubarak was awarded the Neck Order of the Legion of Merit in a " Commanders Degree" which is the only neck order equivalent to the Medal of Honor issued to foreigners only. In addition, the main image with the profile of His Excellency Sheikh Mubarak was his picture at the tomb of the unknowns; an image that was deleted from this article for some unknown reason.
Adding on, the " See Also" category on all Wikipedia articles refer to subjects not directly related to the article itself but of similar related content. Of course His Excellency Sheikh Mubarak and all these Esteemed Monarchs are not different and should be referred to as their Excellency by Protocol all the time; whether Wikipedia or other; such at least is the formal and proper way; specially when a notable monarch is deceased. I can understand your point while very straightforward vis-a-vis of the word " Martyred" and confirm that it is non-neutral but then so is the non neutrality of understanding bravery and courage that lead to notable martyrdom. I do not agree necessarily with term " unsuitable for an Encyclopaedia". Any Encyclopedias would always want to catch the historical truth, facts and emotions no matter how unpleasant it could render the reader. Trying to fake or change the truth would be very dishonorable in terms of the notability worth being part of World Encyclopedias; specially when the person is no longer.
Linking or referencing a military officer with his armed force that belongs to the ministry of defense is a logical task to perform. During his career, His Excellency Sheikh Mubarak acted, lead the Kuwaiti Armed Forces in different notable conflicts. It is logical to link each act of Defense performed on is behalf to the Ministry of Defense and link each action on behalf of a Kuwaiti Officer to the Military of Kuwait and to the Ministry of Defense. Whether 60 or hundreds; linking the actions and information of the concerned officer and environment to the concerned military and to the concerned ministry shows accountability that these events actually happened in that sequence and while the person is deceased; there is an active Ministry of Defense that would authenticate the information so that readers may not get confused with other sources. It would not be logical to assume that links and articles are more authentic than institutions.
There are over hundreds with the name of Mubarak Al-Abdullah. His Excellency Sheikh Mubarak Al-Abdullah would be more proper. I do however appreciate your concerns and remarks and would like to thank you for your assistance(OJOM (talk) 14:57, 13 March 2014 (UTC)).
Thank you for responding. Your answers to the questions "Why" seem to be "because that's the way I want the article to look" and you seem to have missed the point completely. The See Also section is for links to "Wikipedia articles refer[ring] to subjects not directly related to the article itself but of similar related content" as you say. I put in links to articles about subjects related to the House of Sabah and the politics of Kuwait and you removed all of them. Having a link to Tomb of the Unknown Soldier means nothing in the context of Mubarak, Kuwaiti history or its politics or its foreign relations. It's the same as putting a link to the Smithsonian Institution in the See Also section because he visited Washington. With regard to the other articles about royal persons, the point is not that they should all be changed to match the Sheikh Mubarak Al-Abdullah article; it is that they are examples of following Wikipedia policy and the Sheikh Mubarak Al-Abdullah article does not conform to that policy - put another way, the article cannot have a layout that is not in accordance with policy just because you want it to. The fact that "There are over hundreds with the name of Mubarak Al-Abdullah", while true, doesn't matter, because the article is only about one of them, there is no need to use a longer term just to identify a particular Mubarak Al-Abdullah, we are already at the article about that particular Mubarak Al-Abdullah. There are millions of people called "William", but the article about Prince William is only about him.
You are quite right about "bravery" and "courage" - they are also non-neutral, and being killed in action does not automatically mean that a soldier was brave or courageous. If a soldier is awarded a medal for bravery, then a WP article can say that he was "awarded a medal for bravery as a result of his actions" - provided of course that it is properly referenced. The word "martyred" in unsuitable because it is not neutral, not becuase it's unpleasant - "killed" isn't pleasant either. "Martyr" has a religious connotation in English, someone who is murdered for refusing to renounce his faith is martyred. Someone who is killed during a border clash with soldier from another country is not martyred, he died defending his country - a noble thing in its own right - not his faith. To say "It is logical to link each act of Defense performed on is behalf to the Ministry of Defense and link each action on behalf of a Kuwaiti Officer to the Military of Kuwait and to the Ministry of Defense" is not relevant, an article should generally have only one link to another article in it, please read Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking. Maybe you have confused "linking" with "referencing", when I say "linking" I mean the red and blue links in the text. There is no need to link "Six Day War" every time it appears in an article, in fact policy is against this. As I said before "Kuwati Armed Forces" is a redirect to "Military of Kuwait", so clicking the "Kuwati Armed Forces" link takes a person to the "Military of Kuwait" article. Therefore linking "Kuwati Armed Forces" in the "Military of Kuwait" article is pointless, because it's just a circle; please read Wikipedia:Redirect. Thank you YSSYguy (talk) 00:08, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Dear Sir; many thanks for your prompt and usual response for which your thought process is always noted. While keeping it simple; the only point of view or "likes" in which the justifiable History of an Encyclopaedia may be writen is "Fact" with little no room for the " Why and I".

Much obliged for your time and thoughts. May you act as seen fit, Sir. Thank you.(OJOM (talk) 23:07, 15 March 2014 (UTC)).

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OJOM, I'm going all over the place rectifying things here and there. I've noted a few things that you do consistently, and unfortunately they are not correct. First of all, this "See also" business: those lists are way too long, and the entries way too far removed from the subject. Please trim them considerably. Second, you are fond of piping dates inside wikilinks (for various wars and such). There also, please refrain--that's not how we do things. Finally, and this is the bigger thing, there is too much non-neutral content. I just removed a huge chunk from Kuwaiti Army since the content you added sang the praises of that army, and that's not something we can do. Please see WP:NPOV. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 17:42, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Sir, the only item being praised is historical fact. At least, get them right. Thank you.(OJOM (talk) 19:05, 23 April 2014 (UTC)).

  • That begs the question of how much historical fact is in the documents you cite, all supplied by the Kuwaiti government. I had to look elsewhere to learn that the Battle of Hamdh ended in a Kuwaiti defeat. Drmies (talk) 19:40, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Sir, thank you for your prompt reply which your point is duly noted. However, before taking the initiative to look; no one ever mentioned anything about a defeat or a win regarding the Battle of Hamdh. Therefore, I do not agree with your unjustified "non-neutral" term of " begs the question". Your efforts to look and seek are admirable; however, let us not assume that individual books supersede in all ways known government history. Surely, there are all sorts of books out there about world historical battles with book authors giving their opinions; however, book authors and their opinions do not always match the real battle recordings either. As mentioned earlier; the only item being praised is fact along with the praise of those looking and learning to state fact. I praise you for your efforts Sir. Thank you. (OJOM (talk) 20:02, 23 April 2014 (UTC)).

  • OJOM, I appreciate your quick and courteous response, but in the interest of economy, let me be clear: in no way will we accept "government sources" over published accounts in reliable sources. One wonders what glory tales the Saudis will be telling about this battle and given that a. it seems that they won and b. there's more of them then there are of you we need our editorial policies to be followed (see WP:RS, for instance), because if this becomes a battle between camps, you are not likely to win. And I'm sure you do not want the other side to write this article, do you? Drmies (talk) 22:47, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

Sir, for your information; Saudi and Kuwaiti relations are very solid; despite historical turbulences. Be specific when you refer to Saudi Arabia; there is the House of Saud, Saudi Armed Forces, Bedouin tribes and other constituents. if you are referring to the House of Saud; you should know that the relation between the House of Saud and the House of Sabah is very solid despite historical turbulences in the region. You should know of course that the House of Saud and the Saudi Armed Forces liberated Kuwait as well during the Gulf War. That is historical known fact. Adding on, before becoming Saudi Arabia of today; Kuwait housed many Saudi tribes. Therefore, I do not accpet your point about this unjustified rivalry camp business you are claiming in interest of economy. Get your facts right about your rightly called and referred to camps. On your unjustified statement of " Battle between camps"; which camps exactly are your referring to ? if it be the Bedouin tribes that conducted the battle itself; then you Sir should get enlightened with the origin of Bedouin tribes that span to all of the Arab world including Kuwait and Saudi Arabia long before the concept of a passport and nationality was conceived by functioning designated governments of the Arab World. Also In the context of your unjustified statement of " Battle between camps"; You Sir should also note that many of these Bedouin tribes that are from Saudi Arabia have fought with the House of Sabah against the same invading Saudi tribe during that historical time and these Kuwaiti loyal Saudi tribes resided in Kuwait and have served also in the Military of Kuwait. When you are finished reviewing all the tribes that constitute the Bedouin and their origins; you may precise which camps are you referring to exactly as your statements Sir about camps presumed are very far and off from reality back then and within the sequence of present history (OJOM (talk) 15:09, 24 April 2014 (UTC)).

  • You totally misunderstand "camp". It doesn't refer to a locale with a camp fire and tents; it refers to sides in an argument. It is obvious that your sources are pro-Kuwaiti (you haven't cited a single book or journal article--nothing but Kuwaiti government websites), and the language reflects that: you refer to the Ikhwan who "killed the innocent bedwins and looted their farms" (Battle of Al-Regeai, an article I just tagged as not-neutral), and your persistent insistence on including all honorifics of those from the House of Sabah is another indication that you are working on glorifying the past from a specific point of view, no matter what the present situation is between the countries. Now, you may sing the praises of Saudi-Kuwaiti unity right now, but the time period of those articles you wrote was one of warfare, and in your writing you have clearly picked a side. Drmies (talk) 18:39, 24 April 2014 (UTC)

As previously stated; facts are being written; time and other expert authors will prove correct the writing. The government of a country is held responsible for the history of its existence and not books and journals. There is a fine line between historic truth and non-neutrality. Obviously, you Sir are only paying attention to what you want only; deleting sections. Regarding Saudi-Kuwaiti untiy singing; you should pay a little more attention to other details in the article of the Military of Kuwait which was modified extensively to its current status by this author long before your unjust claims. Pay attention:

" First joint Kuwaiti-Saudi air drills (1983)[edit]In 1983 the Kuwaiti Armed Forces carried out the first air joint training with the Royal Saudi Air Force using Douglas A-4 Skyhawks.[2] " Obviously the Royal Saudi Air Force has already been praised by this author who happens to have already been praising also the Saudi Armed Forces before your unjustifiable twisted edits.

Therefore; I reject your statment of " you have clearly picked a side".

In addition, and since you Sir are not paying attention;the article on Abdullah II Al-Sabah:

"The younger son of Faisal bin Turki bin Abdullah Al Saud; Prince Abdul Rahman bin Faisal took refuge in Kuwait during the reign of His Highness, the 5th Ruler of Kuwait, Sheikh Abdullah II Sabah II Al-Jaber I Al-Sabah when the Saudi Prince was in conflict with the Al Rashid tribe and fled to Kuwait in 1891. [1] His son Ibn Saud recaptured Riyadh in 1902 at the age of 24 during the reign of His Highness, the 7th Ruler of Kuwait, Sheikh Mubarak Sabah II Al-Jaber I Al-Sabah.[1] During that time, the House of Sabah engaged in many battles that would attempt to compromise the integrity of Kuwait and its patronage of solidarity to the House of Saud.[1] The Kuwait–Najd War, the Battle of Hamdh 1919, the Battle of Jahra 1920 and the Battle of Al-Regeai 1928 were the result of the solidarity of the House of Sabah to the residents of Kuwait; whether they may be residing tribes from Saudi Arabia, other regional tribes or temporary guests of His Highness the Rulers of Kuwait.[1]

The House of Sabah and the House of Saud have a long history of "solidarity" which has been clearly praised and stated in the above article; before your unjustifiable twisted interference. Hence, don't turn wills around while pointing fingers at the fact writers with "camps" and "sides". The above historical facts are clear.

Therefore; I reject your statment again of " you have clearly picked a side".

Clearly, you are not paying attention to the side and camp; that would be only historic fact. Writing in accordance with government website is one thing; deleting that information and trying to confuse and pointing fingers is another story by itself.

To add final insult to injury; your statement ""killed the innocent bedwins and looted their farms" (Battle of Al-Regeai, an article I just tagged as not-neutral)". Allow me to be very clear with you and make sure this time you don't twist, get confused or misunderstand this point. Calling warefare and tagging warefare as not-neutral is a dispicable crime and insult to the integrity of the courage, audacity and humanity of soldiers and resistant civilians from either side of the battle. Courage and the will to fight is non-neutral. Tagging a battle as non-neutral is a low act of cowardness and an insult to all soldiers involved in that battle. Knowing anything about warefare; your expertise should have already tought you that in warefare; the only winning side is warefare itself and if some authors regonize such a humanity; only immature type writers would talk about wins and defeats in matters of warefare while mentioning "camps" and "sides".

Now, allow me to be more clear, logical and respectable with you. There are billions of articles on wikipdia. Writing true factual articles that are not satisfactory with requirements according to is one thing; deleting that information out of billions and twisting the information and calling it "non-neutral" when positions are clear is another. The facts written are clear; do not delete and twist the information the way you would like to see it showcased. This author does not deny citing government websites. However, you Sir by deleting, twisting sides and calling articles " non-neutral" are clearly siding with personel interest when "articles" are not a cause of harm and they are in the billions. I will re-instate the articles and their information that you have deleted. If you attempt to delete more information; it means you Sir are siding with your personel interest because you seem to be bothered by the format of wording within billions of articles. All the writings of this author are historical facts and the truth and such norms cares not for camps, nor sides.(OJOM (talk) 20:44, 24 April 2014 (UTC)).

  • Sir (I suppose--don't know how you know I have a penis), you said "The government of a country is held responsible for the history of its existence and not books and journals." The moment when he hold a government responsible for the writing of its history will be the moment we can shut this encyclopedia down and replace all articles with a link to the "official" website. In the meantime, we are not going to defer the writing of those articles to those who (claim to) represent those governments, or who edit as if they do. You may feel free to reinstate whatever you like, but if you do so based on unreliable sources, if you remove valid sources, if you reinstate non-neutral language, if you edit against other guidelines and policies (not the least of which the WP:MOS, I will seek other means to redress the situation. Thank you. Drmies (talk) 14:18, 25 April 2014 (UTC)

historical facts and the truth cares not for government representations nor seek deferements to respond to your statement "In the meantime, we are not going to defer the writing of those articles to those who (claim to) represent those governments, or who edit as if they do". Your statement: "The moment when he hold a government responsible for the writing of its history will be the moment we can shut this encyclopedia down and replace all articles with a link to the "official" website".

Clearly, the cumulation of world history according to your misunderstanding of accountability in concern of the rise and destructions of empires and the forming of countries and governments were at the hands of authors writing books and articles within guideline and policies and not the men and woman that served their governments and died for them; enabling authors to take philosophical point of views about unknwon history. If the mission of encyclopedia is to share real knowldege, the truth and preserve the continuity of humanity with dignity; then, it should cite governments; as it would be foolish to assume that the operation of a human being or groups of people outlive the operation of institutions.

Now, to reply in a respectable fashion to your statements :

This author joined wikipidia as a free and volunteer writer and does not need your permission to " May feel free to reinstate", in relation to your statement,"but if you do so based on unreliable sources"; reliable books and articles are always based on the cumulative knowldege that is sourced from governments as it is governments of coutries that provide the very liberty that enables you to argue and write.In relation, "if you remove valid sources"; having not removed a single valid source yet; this author takes your "if you" as an insult for actions not yet committed and your statement "if you" raises a disrespectful tempo. "if you reinstate non-neutral language"; be advised that while we are dealing with an encyclopedia; world history facts are th result of non-neutral actions. As previously mentioned and in affairs of warefare; warefare is non-neutral and surely pre-existed before our ability to judge. In relation to " if you edit against other guidelines and policies (not the least of which the WP:MOS, I will seek other means to redress the situation. Thank you." This author respectfully agrees that the current policy and situation which you should seek to redress is your use of inappropriate language of "Sir (I suppose--don't know how you know I have a ""penis"")" as it is very Unlady and Ungentleman like and does not fit the quality of an encyclopedia. Thank you.(OJOM (talk) 21:37, 27 April 2014 (UTC)).

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I repeat, please provide URLs for the individual pages within the Kuwaiti government websites you are using as sources, not the URLs for the Home pages. As I have noted before, the way you source is like using http://www.defense.gov/ as a reference instead of a specific page that has information about Norman Schwarzkopf or Mike Mullen, for example; it's basically useless, even for someone who reads Arabic. YSSYguy (talk) 21:39, 23 April 2014 (UTC)

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