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Possible split of Cartoon Network work group of WikiProject Animation[edit]

Greetings, a discussion of a possible split of the Cartoon Network work group of WikiProject Animation is underway. If you have questions or comments, please comment here. Thank you for your time. JJ98 (Talk) 07:45, 31 January 2013 (UTC)

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Don't understand what you did at Cumberland Valley Railroad[edit]

From the diffs it looks like you deleted and added back every section - but that's just the way the software works sometime. I think you also added three lines (ok as far as I can tell), deleted 3,000 k of text (from where?) and took all the images from the text and put them in a gallery. I don't really like galleries, rather I think it is better to integrate images into the article where the subject is referred to (or nearby). If there is something about the picture placement that bothered you, please let me know, but I'll likely move the photos back into the text, once I figure out everything you did. Now if I can find the missing 3,000 k, I can properly evaluate the changes.

All the best.

Smallbones(smalltalk) 22:48, 8 April 2013 (UTC)

Hi. I am in the process of revising and streamlining many of the U.S. railroad articles. A great many of them have as many photos as text. Unless it is a large railroad like PRR, NYC or UP, excessive photos are better placed in a gallery. I did not deleted too much text but rather formatted it to confirm to Wikipedia standards so it is an easier read. The article needed extensive cleanup, as do many of the railroad articles. Oanabay04 (talk) 22:59, 8 April 2013 (UTC)
Actually, I don't think that there was an excessive amount of photos, rather just about everything was referred to in the text. You've taken out the section headings, which is unlikely to increase readability. Perhaps we could get a third opinion? Smallbones(smalltalk) 02:46, 9 April 2013 (UTC)
An article the length of this does not require more than two photos + system map. The more significant the railroad, the more photos are warranted. A history as short as that of CVRR only warrants a simple header stating "History." A company more notable, like Chicago, Milwaukee, St. Paul and Pacific Railroad or New York, New Haven and Hartford Railroad, warrants subheaders and additional pictures. The CVRR article should reflect the simplicity of the New York, Ontario and Western Railway, Philadelphia and Erie Railroad or Unadilla Valley Railway. Hope this helps. Feel free to obtain a third opinion. Oanabay04 (talk) 14:05, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

OK, I think I understand now what you are trying to do. It might be called "rationalizing text and image use across articles." So, for example, if you found that the article on Downtown Pittsburgh was larger or had more images than the article on Pittsburgh, you'd want to remove text or images from the Downtown Pittsburgh article because Pittsburgh is obviously more important. And according to your importance scale, CVRR should rate few or no images (note that 2 of your examples have no images).

I have to disagree with this philosophy; it's certainly not the way these things are usually handled on Wikipedia. For example, if somebody thought that it's a problem that the Downtown Pittsburgh article was larger than the Pittsburgh article, the usual solution would be to improve the Pittsburgh article, not remove material from Downtown Pittsburgh. Comparisons of importance or notability across articles is seldom, if ever, done. Each article stands on it own. I've looked for guidance in the usual places on how many pictures are too many - and really couldn't find anything except a brief "Images should not overwhelm the article", which doesn't apply here. The images certainly don't overwhelm this article. More directly the Manual of Style WP:IMAGE RELEVANCE states:

"Images must be relevant to the article that they appear in and be significantly and directly related to the article's topic. Because the Wikipedia project is in a position to offer multimedia learning to its audience, images are an important part of any article's presentation. Effort should therefore be made to improve quality and choice of images or captions in articles rather than favoring their removal, especially on pages which have few visuals."

I'll copy this to the CVRR talk page, and revert to the previous layout of the pix. If you'd like I can ask the opinion a 2 editors who are very familiar with Pennsylvania history articles, or you can ask for an RfC if you'd like. Smallbones(smalltalk) 17:38, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

"rationalizing text and image use across articles." You got it. Now, for the sake of complete disclosure, I never like to remove any photos. I think they are all good and always help. But in the past, I have had many photos that I believed were helpful deleted by Wiki Administrators by reason of overkill. After a while, I started to see their point of view. It is tough not to write something we feel strongly about without injecting a fan-like enthusiasm to the text. What we don't want is for images to be stacked on one side one atop the other. The short text of CVRR will allow that. I am fine getting many opinions, though I suspect they will agree with me, as many have chopped at my articles. Oanabay04 (talk) 17:59, 9 April 2013 (UTC)

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Pennsylvania Railroad edits[edit]

You removed the post-PRR timeline from the Pennsylvania Railroad article. Do you plan to movie it to the Penn Central Railroad article? -------User:DanTD (talk) 00:59, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

No, but I probably should. Thanx for catching. Oanabay04 (talk) 14:56, 21 May 2013 (UTC)

Frankford El re-route[edit]

This is a non-Wikipedia question. If you'd like to contact me by e-mail, my address is verizon dot net preceded by johnbonaccorsi1. At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Aerial_view_of_Market-Frankford_Line,_1978.jpg is a photograph of the rerouting of Philadelphia's Frankford El during the construction of Interstate 95 through Philadelphia. In the Wikipedia article about the El, the photograph's caption refers to the "1976" construction of I-95, but the info you've posted indicates the photograph is from 1978. I'd guess that means the rerouting of the El began in 1976 and lasted into 1978, at least.

I have a couple of questions:

1 – Nowadays, the El columns south from a little bit below Girard Avenue are not steel but concrete. Is that because of the rerouting? Your photograph seems to indicate, as I certainly would have guessed, that the original columns in that area were steel, like those of the rest of the El. I'd guess that when new columns were installed, during the rerouting, concrete was used.

2 – Do you have any idea of the start and finish dates of the rerouting? E.g., "1976 to 1979."

As I say, this is a non-Wikipedia question. I need the info for a family history.96.227.135.168 (talk) 01:21, 20 May 2013 (UTC)

Missing edit summaries[edit]

Hello. I notice that you have been making quite a few significant edits and deletions to a number of major railroad related articles in the last few days, however you are also doing so without including any edit summaries. This makes it very hard for other editors who watch these articles to follow what you are doing and/or what your rationale may be for deleting and/or altering so much often long standing material in these articles that been accepted by the community. It would be much appreciated if you would therefore follow this important editing convention and explaining what you are doing and why you are doing it. Failing to do so is likely to lead to other editors start reverting such wholesale changes in the absence of your providing any reason explaining why they were made. Thank you for your cooperation in this matter. Centpacrr (talk) 21:52, 21 August 2013 (UTC)

Quite true. I am guilty of occassionally forgetting to add rationale and edit sumamries. I have been actively trying to tighten text in a great many railroad-related articles. Many of them are unsourced, wordy, overly detailed, and — most notably — not encyclopedic. I will be more judicious in this practice. Thank you kindly for your message. Oanabay04 (talk) 22:43, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
Thank you for your reply. I would suggest that if you find something that is unsourced, however, that does not necessarily mean that it is inaccurate and/or unencyclopedic and would suggest before doing wholesale deletions that you see if you can find a source yourself (you would be surprised what unexpected things you learn doing that) or mark it as "citation needed". I often do this myself and find it personally very enlightening. (I have had four books on North American railroad history published since 2005 and also operate a 10,000+ page railroad history site (CPRR.org) with my brother-in-law which has been on line since February 1999, so my interest in the subject is pretty intense.) Thanks. Centpacrr (talk) 23:26, 21 August 2013 (UTC)
As a rule, I usually research unsourced material and add references instead of deleting the sentence outright. I will also add a "citation needed" if it appears to be important but I cannto find a reliable source. What I usually delete are poorly written sentences that are hyperbole or op-eds dressed up as fact. I looked at your User page; very impressive. I work for two railroads (Wellsboro & Corning) and I am on the board of several other railroad-related non-profit organizations (srrss.org) so I hear you on the intensity level. Your written works are superb. Thanx for contacting me. Oanabay04 (talk) 14:02, 23 August 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your kind words about my writing efforts and railroad research. You may also find of interest my photography work of railroad subjects many examples of which you can find here. I was interested to see your involvement with preserving the old Reading station in Southampton which is not far from where I grew up in Glenside, PA. While I have lived on the "Main Line" in Ardmore, PA (I am just a few blocks from the Ardmore train station) since 1972, I spent my youth riding the Reading commuter trains from the Glenside and Jenkintown stations to Reading Terminal in Philadelphia so know that line very well. You may also be interested in my online history of the Belfast & Moosehead Lake Railroad, a 142-year old short line in Waldo County, ME which I have been photographing and writing about for over 30 years which you can find here. Centpacrr (talk) 15:42, 23 August 2013 (UTC)

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The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway[edit]

Just wanted to say nice work on adding all the new citations and referenced material to The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway. Much appreciated!--Martin IIIa (talk) 12:50, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

Thank you for the kind words. I read those books over and over again and had them practically memorized (sad, I know!). When I read the article, I knew where some of those facts were officially listed so it was no problem. Cheers! Oanabay04 (talk) 15:00, 18 September 2013 (UTC)

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As far as I can tell, it was drawn for this publication and not copied. I will retag as copyrighted. Oanabay04 (talk) 15:40, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

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"and" vs. & in railroad company names[edit]

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Hi - I am not sure what the exact Wiki rules are for using "&" vs "and" in railway articles. The rule of thumb is that railroad company names are always written using &.Oanabay04 (talk) 19:20, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
So I went looking a little harder, and found that Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains/Manual of style#Articles about rail transport companies (railroads) style guide says, "Article names [emphasis mine] should use the word "and" instead of an ampersand (such as Chicago and North Western Railway)." That's doesn't appear to be a blanket statement about all instances of railroad company names, but presumably other uses should follow the style for article names. PRRfan (talk) 20:49, 19 November 2013 (UTC)
This is a good find, PRRfan. I was guilty of using "&" in the title in the "Infobox SG rail" section. I will fix those. Otherwise, I will stick with using "&" where traditionally appropriate.Oanabay04 (talk) 15:38, 25 November 2013 (UTC)

Sellers[edit]

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I Have Nominated you for Administratorship, Paul![edit]

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No worries. I was going to withdraw today. Too many "admins" obsessed with an editor's errors instead of the good. If one is to judge a person's candidacy only on their errors and occasional lapses of judgement, then no one should be an admin. And yes, I did read the RfA requirements. It needs to be rewritten because it gives one false hope. Wikipedia Admins are indeed a cult and that is fine; just not one I would feel comfortable being of in retrospect. Thank you for the opportunity. Oanabay04 (talk) 14:43, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
Regarding the assessment of errors etc. comments at RfA are made by any registered editor, not just existing admins. Yes, of course admins make mistakes too. But community consensus to give users access to the additional tools often revolves around how community members judge that users would react to various situations, the overall aim being protection of the project. I really don't think it's fair to describe admins as a cult; for example my own RfA was very recent and I think it unreasonable to conclude that its result was due to any cult influences. We've all made mistakes, but users are interested to see how potential admins handle such situations. I hope this is some help to you. If you still feel that it'd be handy for you to use the administrative tools, then I'd suggest you gain more experience in such areas and submit another request when you feel able to explain how the various points raised during the RfA have been addressed. Again, I'm fairly sure that any participant would be willing to provide a sentence or two of commentary on this. Anyone else reading this is at liberty to add their own comments here, as they see fit. All the best. -- Trevj (talk · contribs) 15:21, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
It is fine, really. I was surprised when a few Admins sais I did not contribute to mainframe articles, which is pretty much all I do. I admit I do need to become more familiar with some admin tools. I have been citing them more recently when making edits and suggestions. I will gladly answer any and all questions asked of me concerning the RfA. However, most objections came from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mister Ed (Season 1). That was the first time I did an episode list. The User made a slew of false accusations, despite my attempts to fix the article and improve upon it. The whole thing was absurd and, frankly, turned me off to doing any considerable article creations for Wikipedia. The constant reiteration of the "User's temperment" shows the inherent laziness of the process. In my nine years, I had two incidents. If that is enough to have Admins repeat the same two issues, then I have no interest in being an Admin. It is obviously far from fair and balanced. It is also done in a very short span of time. I do not live and breathe Wiki like most Admins. The most rational response from anyone was "I am reluctant to oppose a candidate who has 34 thousand plus and 92%+ of all edits in mainspace." That is clearly the only one who took a larger view of things. Thank you for your help. Oanabay04 (talk) 00:45, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

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Howdy. I provided you a 2014 photo of Pottsville from last weekend to back up the 1978 photo. However, a noticeable problem, you're going to have to can the infobox because the section is cluttered badly. At some point, the line should probably be split off with a full Reading history. Mitch32(User:Mitchazenia User talk:Mitchazenia) 14:39, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

  • I saw, thanx. That is great, much appreciated. And agreed, the article ballooned more than I thought it would. Should be split into four separate one point.Oanabay04 (talk) 18:19, 28 January 2014 (UTC)

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Hi. I had not realized I had done that, as I aimed to use the entry from Drury's book as a guide. Yes, I would be glad to rewrite the article. Thanks for catching that. Oanabay04 (talk) 02:18, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

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